PATIENT NO. ONE - (DELETED) WITH ATTACHEDMENT TITLED "NOTES ON PROJECT"

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• Publication Date: July 17, 1952

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This subject was a rather simple�minded 1111111116f abcut 35 yea-.7s
of age. From a psychological standpoint he revealed no abnormal
He appeared to be straightforward and honest.
Exrerinental Procedare: Phase I
It was decided to proceed experimentally without any interrogation,
the problem being to see if a hypnotic state could be induced without the
subject's knowledge. For thin reason the subject was prepared for the
induction of sleeping by telling him that the procedure being followed
was a medical diagnostic treatment and would constitute a treatment also
for his nerves. He was placed in a bed and given intravenously a solution
or ,21- per cent sodium pentothal. After approTimmtoly 7 cc were given he
was "considered sufficiently somnolent for the hypnotic procedure to begin.
NO further pentothal was given. Hypnosis was attempted through an
C. intrepreter, The attempt was considered successful.:
Phase 2
The procedure on this' case was identical except that after the hypnotic
� stage was achieved, an interrogation was inducted. At time termination
of the interview the subject was allowed to sleep it off after receiving
a strong cusgestion regarding amnesia.
Phase 3
Interrogation on the subject indicated that there was complete amnesia
the whole time. It was the belief of both myself and the case officer that
the subject hmd*been telltng the truth.
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used beingt1111110At the beginning of the examination he was somewhat
apprehensive but cooperative. He had no complaints.
There is no family history of chronic disease or mental disorder..
He had the usual childhodd diseases including smalJpox and malaria.'
There were no complaints referable to any of the systems except that
ha cannot drink alcohol because if he does he vomits. s He states, however,
that he can drink a liter, of wine without any difficulty, but up to 1948
his nerves were strong. After that he besame so tense that on several
occasions he became unconscious due to the stress under which be was
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nervous system.
A comp3ete physical eTnriition was performed with no abnormalities
noted except that his blood. pressure was 160 over 100. His pulse at rest.
was 120; after exercise 150 and two minutes later had returned to 120.
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The first days examination was deveted to the more usual medical
procedures with which we thaughtlfillikight be familiar, the purpose In3ag
to impress upon bin the fact that we were physicians who were .interested
in his welfare. Es noticeably relaxed as the exmmirAtion proceeded and
his blood pressure which had been initially 160 systolic dropped. to 135.
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comment that he thought the day before, when ha was taken from the place
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however, somewhat antagonistic and complained bitterly of the treatment wiiich.
he had received at the hands of everyone cencerned. This tendency was nated
during his interrogation in as much as whenever a sensitive subject was �
approached he would say, "I have already discussed that" and then refuse
to go further. By persistence,. however, this was broken down and it was
our opinion that eventually he descrited fully the . and other related
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In this case we were dealing with a different type of individual. than.
in Procedure No. One. Re was not as naive and remained suspicious. It
was decided therfore to proceed as in Case No. One with the medical and
psychiatric elaminations in an effort to convincellillgithat we were
physicians who were concerned only with him as a person and not in any
way with his disposition. This was done in two ways. Wo selected his
fainting spells as one point of attack ,and told him that they might be
epileptic and it would be necessary z.f,do an electro-encephalograph examination.
The second point of attack was in pointing out to him the inconsistency
of his stories and asking him how we could be expected to help him if he �
insisted in lying to us. Ea insisted however that he was tellirg the
truth and then insisted that we should employ any scientific technique
we wished in order to prove this..
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1. An electro-encephalograph machine was contrived. The electrodes -
were appliod to the subjcetlt head. After das cpns..:.1tation it was decided
that th? subject was. too tense and the procedure was unsuccessful. Es
was advised to this and told that another doctor would have, to be brought
in in an effort to gain the relaxaticn necessary for the successfp.1 com-
pletion of the test. This was planned for the next day.
2. Cn this occasion the room was rigged as in Procedure One. The
third doctor (interpreter) explained to the subject the necessity for
relaxation. The intravenous injection of sodium pentothal (2) was
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was started and approximately 7 cc werr given. At this point an attemr.t.
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was nade to gain hypnotic control throu a the interpreter. This control
was tuned after a period of approximately 20 minutes but was not deer and
the subject awoke spontaneously after about 30 minutes. We were quite
certain that he was not are of the type of procedure employed..
3. At the termination of step 2 be was again attached to the electro�
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encephalograph and told that the procedure was completed.
A- The next morning it was decided to attempt the pentothe.3.narco�
antalitic procedure. This was done in the usual way. The patient was
somewhat resistant and had to be given 30 cc of a 22% solution beforn
somnambulence was produced: after which -he promptly fell asleep. Ea was
then given+ a cc of desoxyn intramuscularly and a cc intravenously.
ED thereupon promptly aroused and was successfully-regressed so that ha
could be engaged in conversation thinleing that the interpreter was an old
friend of his fr
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This regression was quite successful and the
interrogation proceeded as a conversation between the subject and his
friend. It was sufficiently geuuine that he actually- reached out to. kiss
this friend on a number of occasions. The interrogation lasted approximately-
one hour and a h3 P�
5. The subject was allowed to sleep off the effects of the drug and.
thereafter was amnesic fqr tho total procedure except that he had had a
vivid dreaa concerning his friend. Ee was puzzled as to law this frierd.
could have seemed so real and yet not acttm-11,y be there. This amnesia
persisted throughout our period of observation.
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If the purposes if this project �:..ore to compare the relative Value of
hypnosis and drugs for the purpose of gathering information it was forl-
doomed to fail because one case of each would prove nothing. If it was an
attempt to prove that hypnosis could be induced without the individual being
aware of it, it was successful in both cases. In Case Bo. Onea suffic:_ently
deep hypnosis for interrogation was obtained. In Case No. Two a fairly
deep hypnosis was obtained for a period of about 30 minutes. The trutla
of the information obtained under the hypnosis we have no way of knowing.
The interrogation under 147pnosis would have been greatly facilitated if
the interrogators had been fenriliar with hypnotic questioning techniques
and if it had not been for the language barrier. Because of the numerous
technical difficulties involved in the induction or hypnosis and the
resistance of the subject it does not seem to be practical as a routine
procedure in. the interrogation. of rol.-c+-,:t nbj sot:.
ditys to build up teen of experts elaborate staff props and numerous deceits.
'The sodiuspentothal procedure hawever is easily aei.stereel, easily con.-
trolled and is more certain to produce amnesia. Its use would require
only a medical man and an interrogator. From this standpoint :it is more
practical and more readily available.
The unasnwered question is whtber or not an individual can lie under
the influence of hypnosis or sodium pentotbal. To the best of my. knowledge,
no one has ever answered this question. In conclusion, hypnosis is expensive,
uncertain, difficult to induce and 'uncertain in its results. Sodium pentothsl
is cheap, easy to employ and more certain in its results. Tbio use of desoxya
as a stimulant to speech. during pentothal narcosis is worthy. of much more
research.
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ing equipment had not as yet arrived from the States we decided, to borrow.
some equipment frcm the local security office.
The following day we took a trip to the safe house for a gensT.al
inspection from the standpoint of security and operational efficiency.
On the 6th of June the subject
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who had received appro-cinately six years of schooling
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history of the first case which. was to be
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along with theta because of the added weight. The subject was told vbat this
examination would be a medical examination which would be used as a point
in his ultimate disposal.
Be seemed rather nervous' and apprehensive but after two days of physioal
examinations and psychiatric evaluations he developed more rapport with us
and lost some of his initial feeling of apprehension. In)1Priil ra
it was decided that we would use a combination of sodium penthothal and.
hypnosis. The sodium penthothal was to be used intravenously merely to relax
the patient and make him more receptive to hypnotic control.
The language barrier was a difficult one because the hypnotist had no
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terpreter and case officer on another project was brought into the picture
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of the hypnosis technique, it was necessary to wire him to the hymnotist*
in another room by means of a hearing aid. In this way the hypnotist caild
speak to the case officer in English and the Case �racer would in turn
translate the hypnotic mumbo jumbo intlIIIIIIrmad in this way hypnotise
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The first injection consisted of nothing more than an intra7enous
injection of 6 cc of 2sodium,penthothal solution which was given to
him under the guise of a vitamin solution which would be used to help his .
nerves. After the 6 cc had been administered the patient became very relaxed
and in a natter of 12 to 15 minutes was, according to the experienced
individuals, under the influence of hypnosis. A detRiled account of
this operation will be forthcoming in the joint report to be submitted-
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of this vitamin solution for his nervousness and he was given a total of
7 tc of the same solution and put under hypnotic control. He was eubmitted
to at hour and ten minute interrogation at this time. At the end. of this
period he began to lighten and it was felt that we should stop the interro�
gation procedures. All interrogations were done by the respective case
officer handling the subjects and motley the medical representatives on
the team.
The patient had a complete amnesia of the entire proceedings and. was
studied for another day with detailed questioning which Droved that he had
no knowledge of the fact that either ha had been hypnotised or that ne had
been interrogated. Re was returned to the army camp and it was recommeaded
that he be allowed to mingle with the other prisoners and weuld.eveatually
be disposed by a resettlement in another country.
The entire operation was recorded and reports of those recordings will
,be forthcoming from Security.
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problems then were encountered int41,1,b,,ZA Mayas suspicious, hoetile,
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modtrately intelligent and doubted the fact that the medical menbers of.� �
the Project were really dectors. Eis workup consisted of a. complete psychiatric L
and physical examination which after 2 or 3 days demonstrated the fact that
we wereinterested in his phy.dcal well being and could develop more confi�
dence in us.
In his past history he gave the story of fainting under emetiotal strait;
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heavy guard and he was accompanied by our a=
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that he bad in IIIIkwe attempted to point oat that we seized upon
many points in the patient's history that would give um a cover reason for.
exn.Trining a patient beyond the routine physical and psychiatric examinations.
.It was explained to him that be might be suffering from early epileptic
attacks and that further. study would be required. We rigged up au a.G
which consisted of six 'wires and a radio receiving set. It looked convincingly
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like an, EEG machine and the patient was thoroughly convinced that this was
a strict medical procedure. It was explained to him that the poor results
we obtained on the machine were due to the fact that be was highr-strang,
nervous and had high blood pressure. BM was given 6 cc of sodium penthothal
to be used if we couldn't get a better tracing on the menhir.%
Again he was subjected to hypnosis via the hearing aid and was allowed
to come out of the hypnotic state without interrogation. The team wasait
fully convinced that the subject had been thoroughly hypnotised and we
were a bit 'apprehensive as to the amnesia that he may have following the
procedure.
The second day he was told quite frankly that many of the stories that
he had told
and our awn Service and during the medical
and psychiatric testing were inconsistent and that we felt he was lying.
With this ho said that he would submit to any test that we would give him
to prove his sincerity. :Even this was done with a certain grin which indicatted
that he knew exactly what 'we were doing and that he was willing to play the
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Be was taken into the room and the sodium penthothal solution and
intravenous setup were hidden behind the bed: so that they could not te
seen by the subject. He was given 7 cc of sodium penthothal intravencusly
and again subjected to hypnosis. After a period of about twenty minutes
there was some indication that he may have gone into a very light hypnotic
trance but this passed off quickly and we switched over to the full sodtma.:
penthothal treatment.
We gave him 25 cc of solution intravenously: and pushed him dawn Lo
approximately the second point of anesthesia. At this point he mould not
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be useful to us for interrogation purposes and we gave bieli/lPs of a cc
of deeoxyn intramuscularly and 2/10's intravenously.
We stood by 'with restraints and the guards so that if the full effect
of this desomyn took place we would be able to keep him in the TOOM. This
brought him up to an extremely volatile levlal as far as conversation was
concerned and he began talking. We regressed him to the time when he was.
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close friend _____was brought into the picture through one of the interpreters
who played that.part. The subject actually thought he was tAll'iri; to
and they discussed many of the current activities
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jected to an hour and half of interrogation with this combination of drugs
and allayed to come up to a conscious level.
When he awoke he was very confused and recited many times the dream he
had where he talked to his friend and felt that he was actually in the
room with him although be realized that this was impossible because
was still behind thelpillirlines.
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He was worried, apprehensive and completely puzzled as to what hapaeae
to him and the only thing he remembered was the fact that the EEG electrodes
were placed on his head. Due to the desoxyn he was so volatile that he
continued to talk for about 3 hours never stopping and when no one would
listen to him be began writing things down on paper which is a typical
desovn response.
The story he told under sodiun penthothal conflicted in some resplcts
with the story he told in a conscious state and. it was felt that ,if it
vas possible to tell whether these people were telling the truth or not
under sodiunpenthothal, that we came as close to the truth_as any othcr
interrogation:had reached thus far.
Es had complete amnesia of the entire interrogation and complete amnesia.
of the fact that even a needle had been inserted into his vein. It was felt
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carried out in a harmless fashion with the compound use of sodium penthotha/
and desovn without any recollection on the part of the patient of the
interrocatioa.
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months of careful consideration of the professional responsibilities
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assumed in a project of this nature.
The Project .team had studied the effect of hypnosis and barbiturates
on volunteers and a few prisoners of war for some time. In December 1931
the team was scheduled to move overseas for an operation in ...but
complications in that theater delayed their departure. I was assigned
to the team in April 1952, reviewed the work that had been done from a
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medical standpoint and net the other members of the Project..._ They were
very cooperative and were very anxious to have the Medical Office repre-
sented. I was thoroughly briefed in our impending operati9n which was
scheduled for an overseas departure 26 Nay 1952. The capable services
of_- were enlisted and he too was assigned to the team.
His previous professional experience, capable juar-Pnt and sincere
interest captured the respect of all other members of the team. It
was at his suggestion that the combination of desolgn and sodium pentothel
11111 was vsed in thec -case and later demonstrated to be a potentially
useful combination, which mill require a considerable amount' of basic
research. Be was also able to give me objective opinions on the techniques
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of hypnosis which were employed in the: cases.
Ny duties were outlined to me by and, the details were
essentially those of liaison and representative functions for the Medical
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I collected the necessary operational medical equipment such as sodium.
pentothal, sodium amytall syringes, benzedrine, desoxyn, needles, tubing
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Asmall restaurant near the air terminal was used as a meeting place
for the team and the hypnotist. After a few minutes 'wait be appeared.
and joined the team. Our flight took off at 1130 hours and seated
next to the hypnotist I was thoronely briefed, in the occult mechanisms
of metaphysics.
Our team was composed of individuals vith varied. trainingbackgrounds:
Two of the men had considerable training in the field. of Security. Another
man bad training in security and electrical equipment such as microphones,.
recording devices and other operational aids. The fourth man was a
professional hypnotist, the fifth man a psychiatrist and the sixth a
surgeon.
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Throughout the duration of our operation there were few times 'when
differences in opinion on the operation could not be settled. by the leader
calling a meeting, discussing the problem or planning therixt day's
maneuvers.
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