CONVERSATION WITH DR. (DELETED) WITH ATTACHED BUCK SLIP

• Document Type: SPECIALCOLLECTION
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): 00184493
• Release Decision: RIPPUB
• Original Classification: U
• Document Page Count: 5
• Document Creation Date: January 21, 2025
• Document Release Date: January 15, 1983
• Publication Date: September 12, 1951

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SUBJi3CT: Conversation wit-h Dr.
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and myself 'La small�g escor ed Dr.
'private niom In- the -basement of the Hospital. _From the outset
hisLmanner -was particularly cooperative and friendly,. After a few in-
cidental remaarke� 11111rstated the reason for our visit. -Dr. /1-
_- said that since contra-Ring -with the 11,11,Hospital to tale care or
Translation Section personnel, it bad come to his attention that per---
haps certain members,--of the _section had possibly conveyed their personal:
-troubles in relation to their medical difficu3,ties to ,the -doctors at
-the-hospital. Dr. addedigat if this were the -case, -he would ap-
prec- iate Dr. or any other doctor 'AI handled the people frcim
advising Dr. of any special problems that might arise. Even
laefore Dr. fair had staAed politely words to �this effect Dr; miff
On 11 September at 1015 hours, Dr. and myself visited
- the Illarliospa.-tal in for the purpose of conferring with the T
senior medical officer, . in regard to a statement received
through channels that -a member of the Translation Section had conveyed
certain information to Dr. Co-Director ofill,,Hopsital. -
Upon our arrival, Dr.
fl ,gave ihdication of inowing the subject about which Dr. 111111,was speaking.
stated that he could perhaps clarify the issue that was con-
.ft fron THr He said the issue concerned
that this
individual ha formerly been a close acquaintant of Dr.
end that this friendship had been over a period of about years.
_Dr: priaed that Dr. was elderly, a bachelor and greatly
-interested 'helping younger men achieve their ambitions, and as such,
over a period of years had "adopted" various'young men and sponsored
their education or ,pa" ovided for their wellbeing. This was the case -
with As a matter of fact, Dr: regarded figras more
or less a foster son. Me has been inPre r communication with
since he'last_saw him two or three years -ago in mar and, at
1` request, supplied with _funds on a fairly regular basis to the amount
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of WO or re2C0 every two or three montta.
iieek or two ago Dr. received a letter addrested to him
care of Oriedical Sec on. Although be has been retired from the
Mrfor several. menthe., the letter was none the less forwarded to him
at the Bostd.tal. This letter, which Dr. fillnyactuellir shed
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. . Dear Dr.
stated in essence As follows:
- I am in a desperate situation, and it is Imperative
that see You at once. � I need your help. Please get in
touch with Me at a- designated spot at a certain time." :
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or tzords to that effect. Dr. 3.
at sent his car to pick
up grand bring him to his home. then revealed to 1111110Pthat he was
being held a virtual Prisoner by an American organization and that he had
Inalsubjected to Polygraph tests, Sodium knatol "truth serum* 12.12ctions
and severe interrogation by the office with which he worked. ow stated
further that he had worked fcir the U.S. Government, doing extremely im-
portant and valuable work for them, for a period of seven or. eight years -
and that he could not understand this terrible treatment to which he was
-being subjected; and, furthermore, it was unfair humiliating and degrad-,
trig, or Words to that effect. Fe 'be �ged Dr. to help him out of
this terrible situation. -Dr. added at this point that Dr.
was greatly upset slant the situation and confided the entire matter to
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shortly after it -transpired.' 'He added that _Dr. llegrwas an elderly
man and, although. a and a good one a lays]. U.S. -
citizen, -was,probably not fully aware of Man fields of II.S.-activity
outside of the-field .cif medicine. Dr.
medical cases for a period of five or six years.
� Ze stated to Dr. that this was rather unusual because the policy
of the U.S. Goverment was; as far as he knew, always to compensate these
people well and provide them with every advantage possible. Be implied
to� Dr. that'll/6y have been stretching a ipoint; and that, in any
event, it was a matter that was probably outside Dr. jurisdiction
However, he noted that Dr. did not take 'kindly to his suggestion
probably-because of the fac of the close relationship between and
Ur Dr. added that Dr. and Whad met three or four amesi_
at a secret rendezvous since the original meeting and that Whad bad - -
-dinner with Dr. on two or three occasions. Dr. Illarthen said
:that his first inctica ion that Dr. had confided in anyone but him-
self was a few days earlier when he had noted the receptionist at the
telenhone desk of the Hospital dialing a confidential phone number )
bf . Since the number was supposed to be only in the
possession of Dr. be lasiediately questioned the receptionist as to
- -how and Why she was telephoning -this number. She said that Dr. liMillr'
had requested her to get in touch with the individual whose Phone number -
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she -was dialing. Dr. then called on Dr. and aslced him why
he was calling this number. Dr stated at he thought-their/
matter should 'be investigated, as a result, felt it his duty to con-..
Dr.: then added that the relationship
stated tEat although he
was not familiar with the particulars of the case at all, he-himself was
with various clandestine activities of the U.S. Government, hay-
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bet en had been very casual uo until that tine. In
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actual fact, e, himself, had known "1-,=="4-1--,0 for many years, hut
relationship hnd only been becauro of the relatively long friend-
ship between 11M3rand Dr. then stAted that although no
-names of the individuals who were to come under his care were ever rupplied
him, he did not think that girwas in that group. However, from the nature
- of the "conversation and from certain things that Dr. had said, he
was inclined to believe 'that Erin some way fell into e urisdiction of
the-same 'office. Dr. added that, as he had told us previously, he
f had investigated Dr. on his own initiative priOr to accepting the
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ageement with Wwith regard to the Translation Staff, and that although
he was not aware of the specific type of work in which we were engaged, he
knew in a general way the work we were doing as a result of' his converse-.
tions with and
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_ -Dr, wand I thanked Dr. for his frankness in explaining
the situation and tended to concur with his earlier observation that Dr. -
may-have been the victim of unfortunate circumstances. We implied --
that had -been both well paid and fairly treated, as it was the policy..
of our office to always treat people who worked for us In this-manner.. -. :
Dr. felt that in view of The close relationship existing between '
and Dr. Wilt it would not .be advisable to inform Dr. of the
fact that be may ve been 'victimi'sed. He stated that he, was.
perhaps the best friend that-Dr.. had and that_Dt.
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He suggested that the best
way 1n-handle the situation-was for him to peas On information Whirl he
-gained from Dr. to us. -Dr.IIMIrstated at this point that the
-'best � ocedure would probably be a arect liaison basis 'between Dr. IN III riff
Dr. Mr however, stated that be did not think this 4
was advisab e since there were re
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confided his .personal problems -to Dr,
ar liaison channels which our office
Dr. 1111111rsaid that he
felt that, at the very least, an informal aison-would do much to mitigate
any possible differences that might arise between and Dr. .
i9. inafoffice. Be said that be would like to arrange an informal cocktail/i-
n. and -lunch with Dr. Wand sometime at Dr. nvenience.
19- -Dr.. WI-am not.too enthusiastic about the idea end sta.t t although 7
he was agreeable to meeting socially, any contact wou3.11.-have -to be -
'approved by his superior. Zr. thenasaid that he was aware of the"-
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_past differences of opinion 'between various-U.S. :intelligence organizations
i the and 'knew that there-had been continual friction between
and and other unies.- Be said t.bet be bad known
for a long time, and that while was remarkable\ able In many
..respects, he was also p.sychoneurotic in 01 er respects. !'n any event he
�A Telt that If a. personal relationship existed between Er. Or and
there was much less of a likelarhood that a misunderstanding would
res t. He stated that we appreciated Dr. good offices and let
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the matter drop.
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I stated that rhoped if any cases of this 'kind ever did come to
attention while treating personnel which were sent to the
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said that all our cases treated so far had been routine in nature
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and nothing like that had arisen, but that if it Gver did he would contact
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ht., either myself or Dr.11117 Be then took Dr.
te/ephone'numher and my
-imather�.ete. Dr:
phone number so that Fe�o'ould contact us In e
then changed to-.ge-neral.modical subjects0 n emergency. .The2Conversation
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the ceurse'of the conversation, that he had a large cottage at
"9- and th7it Dr. Illirand I were welcome to use it at y me. lie ell exchangod
invitations to oin each other stated
thanked Dr.
- . luncheon at some fUture date, and we again
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As we were /eaving the hospital, we encountered Dr.
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�jest entering. He appeared a little surprised to see Dr. . . .
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and myself-together, but;neverthelers exChan ed .
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Dr. Mr,"
greetings with
een in regard* to the 'question of
nave sensed that the reason (or our visit may have
- not usually come,to-the hospital on TUesdays until the afternoon; an for
another thinis Dr. For one thing, Dr. does
- office for 141710h suspects that Dr. Illiris associated. with the Al- �
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/t Was dharaCterizedbY cordiality- and apparent the par-
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lbere'vereabselutely no indications of-ill feeling o
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