ROUTING AND RECORD SHEET: CASE 49369 - GARRISON INVESTIGATION

• Document Type: SPECIALCOLLECTION
• Collection: Records Related to the Assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): 00355298
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• Document Creation Date: June 6, 2025
• Document Release Date: June 12, 2025
• Publication Date: February 25, 1969

104-10170-1040 0 UNCLASSIFIED ANAL C.: 1,0 ft Isre paloo CIA Rink E 1924 lunar pROGRAm �, � ihat, 000 'N ROUTING AND RECORD SHEET WILMCL ON1040e4 � Case 49364 . Garrison investigation Chief, St. Louis Office TO: (Oeker elosirehea. end boildri) L Director, OCS _ Attn.: OSS (Niosui-in) "N 6 1 0 us:CgOrnr 3-62 OfkItl *ATMS 0 CONFIDENTIAL t. vg -offer COM#.04113 iNwitbee *OA 06,...,4. ft .1.4. from rtgwe -toth..� Wow rad CO..** Attached are-clippings from the New,Otleans States.ttem dated 21 25 Feb 69. CLeakem ERNA( USI ONLY -Sig7;01' 0 UNCLASSIFIED ECORDING TODAY'S STORY. . 92�NO. 220 ---.�� Listen to The States.ltem (limes at 9. Noon and 5 14. A,sweist&d Peas, Smalls Armerkem News. All.ewce..NEA Serviee. yid AP : a.Lose _ Jdge Ey eistimpp. .y. of tar WitE*5s.. 'rimmal District Judge Edward A. Haggerty Jr. ile to decide thi. morning whether to proceed thc� ;nal of Clay L. Shaw. � , :1?s. j.lil....t. ...esterda:: ordered transcripts of the ., ;..i.v. (.4 Vic State'N star witness, Pem...11i.isso. to�. ' read overnight so he can U � w s' decide on a defense mo- o' lion for a directed verdict. of not. guilty. SHAW, Si, has been on trial since Jan. 21 on charges of 1 conspiring to kill President � Kennedy. The sfate rested Its case yrsterday and chid defense counsel F. Irvin .Dymood mewed for a directed verdict which. If granted. would end . the,trial and art.:haw free. FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 21, 1969 N Poltage Paid ii ew Odessa. Le. � S. cisio * * * Dy mond 11/IUM DItIr6.4 At. kr proof of a couspwacy Un- der state law. Russo irsrinea he it- tended a party at the apart- ment of David W. Ferris, here In September. IS6&t and heard Ferric. Shaw and Lee Harvey Oswald discukung the assassination of Kennet. The president was shot to dinith in Dallas 'Nov. 22. lSVL Arguing for the &meted verdict. Dytnoad said: "Perry Russo admitted from thst witness Stand that. this WU. In his,own termini:11w, a bull session. . "He was asked. !Md you hear Clay Shaw agree to do anything.' lie said, �no.' With- out such agreement, the re- quiremehts of .law canal be met." � CHIEF prosecutor James L. Alcoa arr,ue1 that some of !Age Haggerty's rulings in the course of the trial al- ready held the state had es- 'ahlislied the basis et a con- spiracy case. .klcock said Dvmond's view Vs' the atleeed conviracy meeting "seems to overlook the fact that one of the psr- ticipanis in this conversation was Lee Harvey Oswald." - named by the Warren Com- mission as the =wain. � In 'his testimony. Russo I said he knew tswald ss Leon Oswald. Ferrie's roommate. tie said Shaw was introduced I as Clem Bertrand. Shaw has denied knowing either man � See TRIAL� Page 4 / C' V.11�11.re nal.%roassa" arcos tam pes unesaUCIK 011 We %Ave. Clay L. Shaw Is not the man he knew as Clay Bert;and: less. Orleans attorney Dean Adams'An- drews Jr: testified"to.day. Andrews. the man who introduced the name of Bertrand into the Kennedy u- saatinatIon ease was caned as a defense witness today in - ....... the Shaw Shaw, SS, t trial before Criminal Die.1 Jud.ite Ed- ward A. Ric* Jr. on charges of noiring to kill President ail F . Kennedy, shot to cleat !Dallas Nov. 22. 190. ANDRE113 'OLD THE Warren Ccrnr.,rion a mys- _IVOL 92:�NO. 223 TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 25. 1969 .5re etAte.,A-ragra terious "Clay Bertrand" called him the day, after the assas- sination and � asked him to come to Dallas and defend Lee Harvey Oswald, then un- der arrest. Shlw was not the man who called him about Oiwald. An- drews testified today. In August, 1361'. Andrews was convicted of perjury be- . . -...... ����� cause of alleged conflicting testimony about the Bertrand affair. His case Is still on ap- peal. ANDREWS' CONVICTION came on the basis of his tes- timony before the Orleans Parish Grand Jury. District Attorney Jim Garrison ac- cused Km of changing his *story ,under oath. Andrews has never publicly Identified Shaw as Bertrand. but at one time he said. "I can't say he is and I can't say he ain't," Later, he said Shaw was not Bertrand and named a French Quarter bar owner as Bertrafvf. The.bar ownerdci � -ftii:n�tO-P-a-ge-- S.-At Column 4 PRICE 10 DEAN A. ANDREWS JR. Truffles at VW YEW ORLFAYS STATES�ITE.11 .. . Shaw Not 'Bertrand,' Andrews Says?�' - I � Continued from -Free! faze I shout Dr. Fincles, Warren Osoal.1 appearod a tstal of ' le his u.arsee (,,,eieh..as..- t clinunission testimony that p : fotz or fur times, at three- 5 at nn bullet could not have canard day inteevals. et.I p .e.: test'ln�8Y. wh?ell emceed- It's the lajwies to Gov. Connally's ; Liter, Andrews said. he I ages. Andreirs told of Seeing F 1Yrtst, and emerged Intact. I saw aswakl on the street ' i Bertrand with sorne-:' "gar 'I deal think that mach a ! haNIng out lt�gle'S, still ae- , .si, Lids' arid that 13ertrarid paid bullet which lies. kias awch ! CPCIpaiiTii by the Mexican. for their legal lOWli. He ItSo lade vi ici she Andriiis aid 'he did not . w, toldof *m i ot scale cii $ fragments i could are to the ', knew if. Oswald was a horn's- sr... ' wi: con ea-toe- ; s 4., for Oswald. se.. ANDREWS FACES Ai la. f HtlxiniXe'riedodY'll-avthit:w:"):1,stlri:necIthl arsaG�hi: i toelri-e:1" .norlaPele 'sillsd*It$-neatitis�ksn:aldi. csi month -fill tenn _km the Per, Dever exathinm the governor. Ittrtting to the telephone jury charge if'Aill':Consielitin � - � ., � , tilt in -Hotel � Dieu. Altock - i is stoeki ' � I Dyttioid asked: At the tasked Andrews .it he ....�.... ,f4cciwict bos. tang onvi. tithe you .signed the report. . � . '`'"8 ed'Shiw and Bertrand are the were "-ii "Usti� �S t� the 1 he recognized - it from "WI pH same person. The Stites �star cl*ie= of the wounds, their tete prZi.07. ni-; witness. Perry Rattiond tin= &it'd* and effect?" ei� i so. testified be was intro- "Iii My *Pinion thla report 1 d.t.,��dAndrtItto aays SakisetbetralIS iinatihr � . 112- don't! to Shaw as "Clem Bee- flillfilitt this Mission:" the i mos at a bar white a wed_ A triuxi" at a party steit Bus- witness said. I ding reception was in mg- ne; so sits Shaw. Oswald and Da- "Having performed the au- I ins in the back mom. He . vid W. Ferric dmussed kill- topsy. what firm of811881 did I sok! they were introduced by I ing Kennedy. you reach?" ' a 114'n Girt, to. whom An. I Other state witnesses in the It was my firm opinion I drews referred as ..tbg joe... 1 trial have testified that mail that the wound of entry was at i He said he had defended the i addressed to Bertrand was de- the back of the neck and the 1 Girt uo�, on a narcotics I livered to a mailing address wound of exit in the front at I sham. 3 I used by Shaw and .that Shan' the tracheotomy %mind. The I Bertrand, he said, was not ..0 1 signed the name Bertrand to second wound was at the back the man's real name but he I a guest register at New Or- of the head ' and the exit i refused to identify the person I is I leans International Airport. of this wound the right top i. ea l Is I gresmds that it would Ia- si& of the head. The head I leder., with his appeal in the ( 'id ., EARLIER TODAY. Army wound was the fatal wound� case perjury . � Id I pathologist Col. Pierre A. the cause of death." 1 !Ina continued his testimony 1.y I on the controversial . Kennedy ith ' autopsy report he helped Pre- A. pare. His long crixis-exaritina- "AS OF THIS date, doctor, Is 'there anything that would office i SAID, referred clients to his to .s. DA. Alvin chaago. e stihra! opinion': ' I Explaining his conversation in tion by assistantY. -x .iti_ ! Oser ended this morning after I Oser then took the witness ' "'rill Regis Kennedy. Andrews cr id he care -am- Bertrand" I . li the witness had � spent about i back on rettoss-exanunation. as a ts-tse "time- to protect at : nme !lours on the stand. . Flack testified that Some / . Our. one of the assistants Dr th or ' . to whom Garrison has left of the X-ray photos of Ken- the unidentified person who id most of the courtroom work. nedy did not crime eat. � sent him clients. ' so sought 0 discredit' the au- The ' witness said he could Merck asked him whether er topsy's� findings Mat Kenne As- dy not remember the details of sibeoolc4dthathet "ReWartrand111.1 'C'mnnicalledis- ' D sr being told not to dissect the him at the hospital. Andrews w ' e was Shot :from' behind. tY sistinst DA James L Alcoa area of Kennedy's throat. has acted as chief peasecutce Oser attempted again to de- co- ci 1, iv . t.thll recall,saidhevirMd alid. A have the ss; el. rd in the trial. . - termine who was giving or- entire iit, pages of _Andrews' in Garrison contends Kennedy ders at that point, but 120), Warren Commission testimony .4- 17 Texas were Caught in a cross- I 'a�1;41_'-.�b"�`""lectwed and as S witness was I115. hen re-lad into the udge Haggerty record. re" 'ortt ty and Gov.. John B. Connally of m 11-I fire in Dealey Plaza. The : eacieww and Andrews called cessed court for hinch. Warm' ansunission said Os- i rw�_rhe 142�0- C. Ftnck was one of three 81 re wald was the lone 'gunman The I BrY was excused whde 1 military physicians who per- --, fs../ and all the.' shota were fired Alceek Amsted out the witness l formed the autopsy on the m ' -e 1 from the sixth-floor window 1 has been convicted of perjury i: president shortly after he was � � a-I of the Texas School Brok De- I and his case is m aKcid- l Otot to dean. .� Jo s, presLlentisl motorcade. ' (trews' attorney. kfichael Bar- 1 ifottn'Eft. THE Warren �hill:. . ,., ,.., . to pesstory to the rear of the : It was established that An- i _ i c- This morning's session 17. wool.] cc on hand to advise I Cocnnumet never visited the. .....� :Ft as the the stwititrisiih DurridernICkerossbaL-etx. the anciwithess-bdi'ewinillg 'ertn�tY sabeki iXt1.41:0;%%_ .'SCL:%illtIPM(C601LitAk'11111:frtlidh'. (gat forced to Incrumnate himself, animation by 00r. li Meta asked if he would be has been sealol in the. Na- i � ticmil AMIN:Nei unto ICI at ,�..) : oSER tWoyED Dr, flock's PerrnIted to e� tnto the._ , sub- the reg.:est of the Kennedy ;.� II le 1 Nomnber. 1963. autor,,, re�. ject matter on which Andrews family. 2: 1 port as sem,: the Kenny wa-s cvdl`wte'll� and Judge 4 I head ���as ...re better .ed p. 1 iusie,y weed. The hies, Col. FIrck testd:ed yecter. ! T 'e I recuted in photographs and i was cal44:1 S&k' " I day he dx..111 see Mem einter, W p I e ; x.n3., - He asked 11* colonel I Andrews tosnr�.4 that co- I unid Jancary. 1167. -an he icri : i eiho,,w, te�kifiwt,..�..fthetreint p14-7-",;; 1 .t..aN14';.edl:Lin If4.3963t.elhIlte7andhc6r:n. 1 He Aeacti"su;%"'*"en:re'el'i 1114hatmP�runIfil It'r:111 . -- � ........ � _ . .. , theiN. eur Azt.N.,N fe:,..1 our :�. 10 let, :no ' LVI tht tin fit tts er It Of at Id 41ERT/LANTi." ANDREWS "c de In of lu- ng of when he never saw use petotos 1 s until 1%7. . P The witness said the photos : were turned over undeveloped t to the Secret Service and agreed he didn't see them again for three yeap. Oser thin tried to deter- mine who told Dr. Flock not to talk about the case. He _said- it-Was a uniforined ad- Miral. � whose tiline he re- called as Kilter . , QUESTIONS by enter oa- th. sequence Of the shots that hit Kennedy were Titled out at hearsay. Dsviond then took oier the witness on redirect .examitut- than,-and asked him . !Old anyone give an Omit+ as to the. oPittion"you were to write?" Be answered. Dr. Flocs said he would net have tieccOted in an eider It It had been Wised. Certain" X-rays.- the witness said, were available at the Hine, of the autopsy. These revealed no bullets were pres- ent In either the head or body, only fragments, he said. The colonel said he was able to form a firm opinion as to the path of the bullet through Kennedy's back and chest without dissecting the body. DYMOND THEN ASKED LTC --Tilt 'MS 1141-ua0.1k. dap -uottuays ay; 3e a: Ho loot13S Jo uomposay I tit 1141 Pug(' Stf�'lli '1V113, 'PIP eJI IS Jed 1103 tdap t ski �IJOI $na no' m If 1 S 2 .1 Y2. ������ ON, ��� � ���� et e� phone can. "Was the esti from a Mr. aay Shaw7" Dymond asked "ND." SAW ANDREWS. "Did ynu ever receive any telephone calls from a Mr. Claw Show" "No." Andrews testified he did not know Shaw ind never heard of hurt until he saw his ,ptc� lure in the newspaper In Con- neetton With the Garrison In- vestigation. After the calL,Andre*I said. he telephoned _his secretary to. locate the file on Oswald, Who "had berti In -my Office about fair Or five times dur- ing early May or June." Andrews said he tidied at- torney Sam Miirik�Ze.kleit and Baited him If he would be In- terested In going to. Dallas to . represent 'Oswald. � The following -Monday. An- drews said.. he: Called FBI agent Regis Kennedy and told him about Oswald, and also toid the Secret Service. The Secret Service, Andrews said. "didn't seem to be too interested." When he talked to the FBI agent. Andrews said, he was under sedation. Dymond asked: "IN THE COURSE of your conversation with agent Ken- nedy did you ever Use the name Chi Bertrand?" Irim*. who came to the Coded States as a yowl iy1 physician, has a swiss sceera � and often spelled Words he felt might not be clear. But lun he made it clear it w n as no in ordinary autopsy. � the "When you are suddenly . the called in to examine the . president .of The United : 1 States. who is dead, �you do , so not look around the roOni and ! sly take notes on who Is there." i sar he replied when Oser asked': A him Who� attended the stk, ; iar icialY� . 1 gix , :we I not have been complete. M.. , Moues intvmpieie. u Cni tor I Fw.k said ' As 'fords the mei woonds,. what we signed on me I Nov N. 1963, is adequate " .. eat ay pies '0.125 joagitatuo: 'It,J(7 44 pus spa/ 01 stiolla Jtatts lie eueaJox [(pox aqi p spoeq tit JIatil luna3.1 II 01 Xepiatia piteadde oos 4 SitUatal3 11 2� auo see '000't JOINM 7113All mew ustatJau.ty wipe �Xep saippra one p apttu! 6 4.51) tnt aa4I 'Ines IT � pal .1! Mons ISM' : I � .,zaiti means ol ignou:c. Lail.. 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Later, Oswald returned I to his office, always IICC0111- I partied by 3 ktesicsus. rats 1k time, he charged f_srald. MI to "Yes." said Andrews. .� "Is or was Clay- L. Shaw the Clay Bertrand to whom you referred?" "NO. sir." Asked if he knows who Ber- trand Is, Andrews Said, "Yes, 1 believe I do." lie said he knew Ferrie "slightly" but never saw him with Shaw.. Ile said he never taw Ferrie with Oswald, and never heard Oswald or Fer- rie even ...mention Shaw. Nor . did -he ever hearferrie men- tion Oswald. After less than 10 minutes of questioning by the de- fense, Andrews was turned over to the state for cross- exaMinatiem . Under questioning by. Al- cock. Andrews said he first I I met Oswald In late May of I 1963 when Oswald came to his I office four or five times. BP- 1: -parently .zecompanted by ;-, three Men who appeared to be- ' homosexuals and by some I ' � � family. 6ee story on Page 1.1 .30-TA DAY � kill ed. em Ike aa A� � Testimony Given DI In 'Shaw- Trial Tc � Ate Court prey:dings In the Von and are better appreciat- 30th day cf the conspiracy ed in photographs and X-rays.. Fat - al My I� Sari: I ask you how you could bet- NH --The state (endowed to cross- ter appreciate the fractures in L examine Dr. Aerie _flock to- photographs when you never nee' 'day, with asr-istant chstrkt at- Saw the photographs until .4rney Alva V. tker 4.Ung tae 19(1? queetionin& _Q�CobaneIL I direct your at- !Orion to Page Far of the autopsy report of November. 1$63. and to the fom-th pars-- graph. It states that the com- plexity of fractures taxed sat- isfactory rerbal descrip- DEFENSE attorney F. Ir- vin Dymond objected to the question but was overruled.. A�Photographs are more accurate than description the photographs were taken Tare 1, Page S-A. Column 1 orecusaseraore wszaressatumer.!sexe-42.....ctunce.-; M.startitzsgSti A win Oin Doi whi fou Mo wit TUESDAY Court Testimony 1:7-1 In Trial of Shawl Coathmed from Front Pap but turned over undeveloped . to the Secret -Seriike. At . the :time the autopsy WWI 'performed, we did .tiOt � knOW� when they would be processed.. . The Secret Service took chaige. el them. - Q�You didn't see than un- tIPJanuary of 1967? to�This is correct. .Q�On the same page. Page four. I direct your attention to the'passage which states .. . seetmd wound, presumably of entry. Explain why, in the re- port. you say presumably of entry and you now state you are positive of entry? A�Mm. Galloway told us to put that word presumably, but this does not dump my opso- Ion:that this was the wound of 4�Was Mm. Gallaway a pathology. lie was Command- ee,ot the hospital. � . ,q�Give us the ame of the Stneral who Instructed Cmdr. }fumes not to talk about the autopsy report?. A!--This was not a general this was.an admiral. This was in the autopsy room.. ��_ What was his name? �There were severe) peo- ple In -Charge, as I recall. It was Adm. Kiney at that time, a; 1 recall. . Q�What was the name ci the. general In charge of the autopsy? A�There was no general hi charge. -Adm. Humes said "Who is in charge here,'!, and a .general answered "I arn" Tbat doesn't mean he .was hi charge of the autopsy. - lie was In 'charge of the general op. ciation. about the signing of the � Q�Which included your re! port? . A�No. I don't think an. AI no time did any general say he would bare anything to say autopsy. Q--Can you give me his name! doel remember. Q�Werii any other generals in uniform? A�I remember a brigadier general Mm. Galloway was In uniform. Aden. Kari was us uniform. Welt THEN quensemed flack about the sequence Of 16et; that tut Ker.rwdy mod Ilwri said the last Vx4 kit id you have X-rays available? A�We did. Q�Wben were the X-rays taken and when were they made tradable to you? A�When I arrived at Beth- esda hospital the X-rays had been taken of the head. After I found the wound at the back of the neck and no corresponding exit. I request- ed X-rays. MY purpose was to see if there was a bullet In the body. An X-ray will reveal a bullet.- FINCK _SAID he found no entire bullet in the cadaver, only fragments. Dymond then referred to drawings showing the entry of the two bullets into the body of the late pres- ident end asked flack if the sketches -"purport to be scale drawings?" 4�No. Q�Under whose supervision were they prepared? A�Under the direction of Dr. Humes . . . drawn .at his directien. As far as I know Dr. Humes gave the results of our findings to a Navy enlist- ed man who made these drawings for the Warren Corn- Q---In your opinion, doctor. was mutilation of the remains necessary to gather enough Information to satisfy yourself as to the path of the bullet? A�I don't know what It would have shown. Q�Would you say It is nec- essary to mutilate to deter- mine the path of the bullet? A�I� don't know. Q�Did you form an opinion as to the path of the bullet? A�The wound at the back of the neck had a regular edge � inverted which Is characteristic of a wound of entry* and exited through the tracheotomy. Q-1s this a firm opinion without a bisection? A�It Is a firm opinion. Q�Doctor, did you examine the wounds of Gov. Connally? A�No, I never met Gov. Connally. Q � Yesterday you were asked If you had testified be- fore the Warren Commission that a fragmented bullet could not have gone through the wrist of Gov. Connally. Did you testify to that' A-1 tenEted before the VI Si 3^ . � suagtuatL 1,1 r �5e qw Joi pieta g g 4. A rqA 1' c.moi si f rratatiet 3,SSChr . An Army pathologist test:Bei. at Clay Shaw's conspiraci, 'trial today that President �Kennedy was hit just two tut. let4 � both definitely fired from behind him-- when he was assassinat- ed. "That is my honest profes- sional 'opinion.`.'. said COI. Pierre A., rtheits When asked if anyoneinjaverninent had tried to Uuencehia findings. COL. fINCKS a member Of the .thee-ms tom which perfornierf.:;tbk autopsy, les- tdied as ia defense witness this Morning in the trial of WARREN REPORT .EXHIBITS USED AT SHAW TRIAL N E W 0.R L E A ST .AT E S I.: L 92�NO. 222 - MONDAY, FERRUMIY-24,-116-9----PRICE-ltie . _ Clay I.. Shaw. Shaw, SS, is on trial before Criminal District Judge Ed- ward A. Haggerty Jr.� on charges of conspiring to kill Kennedy. shot to death in Dallas Nov. 22, 1963. Chief 'defense counsel F. Irvin Dymond said yesterday Col. rincic is the key rebuttal testimony to District Attorney. Jim Garrison's claim Ken- ner* was caught in a eras- fires, A .41' POINT in Garri- son's conspiracy � theory Is whether any of the Shots hit Kennedy from the front. Gar- rison toys at least one did. if true, Ws would destroy the Warren Commission's eonclu. slots that all the shots were Bred from the sixth Boor win- dow of the Teus School Book Depository by Lee .Harvey Oswald. .GarrIgin contends Shsw con- spired here with Oswald and David W. Ferrie�tp kill Ken. nedy. The Warren Commission reported Oswald was the tone asiassin. Dr. Fink 3.14 both the wound in Kennedy's neck and Inc one La his 'head were caused by bullets fired. from behind. 1I1E WARREN' Corn m ivkAt used ;he aitopr report in teaching � cum lus Ion The te.cord photos and X.ra, s � �Set TRIAL-: l'at.r . . MARKE1 r ,e SPORT vs srArrs.rtrx FEBRUARY IMP - A has and wed fru � lam ireS 11r- Yes� vied an on^ ly - inces after any- ecree Ion hand- was nistry ied at hurch. led as :wised Robert ti Dio- 0110. e said. n heur els. He ending a full tch so- t' high .er de- aldren. to 19. 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Garrison made a legal ef- fort to subpen.s them but. aft;- er a federal judge ordered them released, the state rest- ed Its ease Without receiving them. The DA's office ex- plained the Justic-e Depart- rnent planned an Appeal which would have delayed the ma- terial until too late for use. in the trial. Col. Met took the stand as today's session opened and qualified as an expert witness In the areas of forensic medi- eine and pathology. The witness testified he co- authored the autopsy report on Kennedy with two �the- military physicians. DYMOND ASKED the col- onel to descrthe the body of the explosive -and *after- ing force of the atn..d of exit.. . ." he added. Dymond asked if there were any fragments of $3:S.1 ex- amined "that would Ne Sworn- patible with a detcr--asaten that the bullet was bred trim the rear?" . "There were none:� Dr. -nick said_ � "1- HAVE A frra ypthion that the bullet enured from the back of he head 331 't tat on the .right side ef the top of the head. peke-sue-4 a large wmutd," he ad.:ate Dr. Find: said the hseet disintegrated when e S.z the hard bone in the tia.-k if the head. Ile said :t wat t-r..7.-v- sit�le to determthe tera ;ye- c.sion the angle sz the bullet struck the k�ead_ � The witness said Mg.. when he signed the report. be bad ICver asked If the persan who T. made the drawing had access to the aulop..1 photos. To his knowledge, Dr. Park said, he did not. Judge Ilaggerty then re- cessed the trial for lunch. Dl'IOND SAID over the week end he believes the trial will go to the jury by Thurs- day. This means questioning of defense witnesses would hate to be completed during the next three days. Several- more are under Texas Gov. John B. Connally sublvna, including former and William Gurvich, a for- mer. Garrison aide. Others include Alvin Beau- till beeii. a one-time Ferric as- sodate:; Hugh B. Fa.nlcios, tot I. 131 ,wa !tit as Pr' I thi M. da so th St In Mk: ,',e only � stood:" � - must 4, se the ril " f orotold debt.atible I- �rderal :.it year e 4 for t Inified Mend- , tinee. r !;Wiget the .:-. nt OM- Ih./e rrois- ad- tiling. , :be; tuneveen- av as ex- r ainnent tn.,. posi- - 'xcesi aloP i'. looeirent la"resibl letke g aAL� _._in m , ar . WE . nottis on .10 _ win) ate elfin (len 1 n a*, snit Hong IA Bai- .MOS Mon- fees sled has I� e moa tom. it I. 'Kong ens n1231 i VPr.. a 3ere- r the said the ;that tp by Men -ty to 'sacht 'fling Plying thStIsh .hed S ' � la an U. tip. tireb but A S I wound truffered by benneay. He said: "I saw On the right side In lb* back of the neck of Presi- dent Kennedy a small wound." Dymond asked-him to point out the position on fellow &- fosse attorney William Wee- mann. who remosed his coat while Dr. Finck indicated the position with his finger. Deacribing.the *mad Itself. the .colonel said the edges were willed '..inward. He said. -"I -looked at It very closely and I heve the opin- ion,., that this was a Wound of. entry , �*! - DYMOND4/1EN asked the .witness to describe the *nand In the -Ironed :the President's., neck He said ;he forbid it14.� opening "in keeping with the type of Incision pettcirined for tracheottany a" wound Made by A . , He said It Was a wound Coen-, monly made told an uncon-� ache* patient breathe. He said X-rays showed no bullets in the lower body, and only fragments in the head. From his examination of the clothing worn by � the presi- dent. Dr. Finch said, he con- cluded the throat wound was an exit wound of the bullet as well as a tracheotomy In- ON A DRAWING of a hu- man body, Dr. Finck traced the course of the bullet from back to front. Ile said he could not establish the se- quence of shets�-from watch- ing the film of the assassina- tion taken by Dallas dress manufacturer Abraham Za- pruder, but said the film was valuable In determining- the president's position at the time he was hit. Dymond asked: "Was this wound Inflicted by a shot from the rear or front of the president?" ' "It was definitely Inflicted by a shot from the rear," Dr. Finck saki. DYrnond then turned to the bead wound. THE WITNESS described with the aid of a- model flow head .wounds are classified as entry or �exit and explained the use of various niedical terms. Dr. Mirk then described the wound in the back of Kennedy's head as an entry wound. "in the case of a nigh-veloc- ity projectile, there can never be a complete reconstruction of the wound of exit because a. dctinite ovinion Ma! batn bullets struck In the back. one in the back of the neck and the other in the back of the bead. ASKED IF his opuden was affected in any way by gov- ernment officials, Dr. Finck said: ,'� "'Sl'y opinion is an honest, professional opinion." After 3 Mess. the state began its cross-elation:stain of the witness. Under cross-examination by Assistinl DA 'Alvin V. Osec. Dr. Flack 'testified that all three of the doctors Making the autopsy report agreed ba- the (Satinet. � Dr Flock said he was told, �not twebiress the case "With- put-coordonalitig with the at- torney..:general� of the United States."' who at that time was Robert F. Kennedy, AFTER A LEGAL wrangle� which cropped ttP when bah sides mininderstood one of the witness' answers, Dr. . Ftrick said he did not see the -photos of the body 'before writing the autopsy report. Ile said the first time he �saw the X-rays and photos was in January, 1967. He said 'he saw photos of the as.sa.ssi- nation In 1964 but these were from the Zapruder him. He said photos of the body are "extremely useful" in making an autopsy report and it is normal practice to use them.. ASKED IF the Warren Commission ever viewed the photos. Dr. Finck said: "When .1 appeared before the Warren Commission in March of 1964 the X-rays and photographs were not avail- able to us In the preparation of our testimony." . Asked why, he said: "I don't know. I understood It was the wish of Robert Kenneeiy." OSER THEN produced a document be described as the autopsy report from Bethseda. Naval Hospital, where Ken- nedy's body was sent. The witness said drawings on it were made by the two other pathologists who assisted bun is the autopsy. In response � to a question from Oser. Dr. Finck said beautaoeut a a... cur .. I , i GArner. (1,waki 5 land:ccd: din ; Jim Iiielen. former Saturday i�oa Evening-Post writer, and Itis Ai prIningrapher. Malt 'IMO& ..R, and se%etal p.hce officer's. � Shaw is expected to take I the stand on his non defense Ile teunied brefty last week ' as a traverse witness s.eviLie oag-Jentraspat.e...:-. Ise teu pip air 1..)..1.1.% -1� �.42% s.siono taxi Oa tinresit jle - inan.sautio) ui paieaadoi � 5lia4au vaui ae It -sums aqi Ilqic) 'sod anissay 11.S.114,a r WW1 uasiel trod A; -4,J11,0 twd '�ej .uoaj satins spies tiPata 1 schttins atuos dog's in ' �o .3 !ZIP 541 ti! Puna: �Iv In GIVS S.L11311011 's Togo, &Kg jo3rtleg Pa jIeM Aismaav atit at 'soil in au Aq inc opens salon s. mead � CJI1f.M551 ON as sepei6 vutios G31007 sainIS Palma au,. al P JO peaisui apcut claw 'tin I 11 a loiag tuatii vow 2, inji Xpasuac4stu9 ao4Pjo 'tutuatilt PitatsUI moped all le ill aq pies coxes: ii...swarollieaq"cduauor.a"euntris ea putt psi 0g ipat �Wu ael a: P4) 2Intaaii. 4Ci5aJrp AUe us icqi '.(cpo I� 5F Paja,xild Isxlneettilsed, muatislequl ;It .10 leq:laligaaj uo a ..4CllUfliTP3UOjP wilelloSau inissasans al aimortrIa4jaztflfis &al Pug ISOliepSuo.) q cvi uo,. 5105500: 55 -e lit -a at -5 !At 55ti Palma � i wawa.% in suop I'Is PirMAI A1134.1!P rsz-urapatuy is-nea ! Pu .554 !uotioariasp the hole in the back of the. aioassapunoj body on the drawing is lower' � ju- ..�saatiszed and much. larger than the one � Cl et ssattaaimane he indicated on Wegmann's tiori pstomi41 : -fie back. In a series of questions, palm s ate tem ' I � 0.J d AVUNON Nage %ALS uispateiww io ital Hill by the White House See DEBT Page 7-A .29u1 DAY Court Testimony In Trial of Shaw . Court proceedings in the 29th day of (he ernspiracy trial of Clay L Shaw follow: Testiniony opened with the .defense qualifying Col. Pierre ' A. ilrick. one of thrve doctors who performed the autopsy on- the body of the late President John F. Kennedy, as an ex- pert witness. -. COL. FINC1C went in'o a detailed explanation el his bazkemund. paus:ng from time to time b spell words that be thaut,-ht might cot be clear to the court or jury. He was to do this often dur- imr his iccg testimony. Dr. ENne1/4 was qualified by .lodge F.-ward A_ Haggerty Jr.. in the arras of forensic medicine and pathology. IN ADDITION to formal ran to Page 7-B, CONEEta Court Proceedings in Clay Shaw Conspiracy Trig (,..ritinued from Front Page � vat:. :0ay, Or. Fsk te! . ;.! , he has Lirred o.t exp,rinicnts on ti Washingt.m, C and 1-'4,�.e4 0,0 Ars, nal wotinds prodoed by. but. xis hria.1 b.,,� Ch.ef Drfonse C.kinsel F. Ir- in Dymond ctiestioned the. theio � you have an amis. !.,�ri to ,art 1.1.. in the au. ft. late Pry-wield i,reoeos 1 d..1 Q � With whom you roi.ke A --ow p,,:hoh.igist in charge w.,s11 II,mes Ile (a:led me � h..r!r� to c..the to the naval liethesda�Nld 1 Ittime, and Dr: itves- lt hit it as c:iit-f of T13 1:1^ taiirjotal. there you one of the � of the pattrlogy re� ;041 (An the pres�dent'1 death' A � Yes. I am -1..keuTibe for the court � the jury the nature of the e7.siti:not4on of the tyrty wnun of the body � wh.ch had been ed on titlent' � A...1 would like to refer to I:.,' n srrt.it A 1.1t,'SI.: in which tes. loi1/4,-st at his notes, he s'-.an to testify but Assist. 'int 1i:strict Attorney Avl.n V tu et objected to the use of � which had nut been identified. (here was a discussion In- s-Ms:ea Dsmend and Judge If:moony, after which , Cot. nck. was allowed to evi- 1 � .as � Ma on the light 4. in b;,..k of the ?welt of ilea. i,e�e; her:NAV t,tr.;t11 s. ',Uhl. r rip!.,) 1.10. tr4. 1,?1,I4l, and u.k.i.e1 lima to tlie ound tin I, ,t)w aeurney M.iio weionnnr. L'eno a tape measure, Dr. Fieek o�ean to calculate the ;ea.:me ol the hnle �on the ha.l; ol eMwords, w he .1,as� .thte. had rernOved iti ceat \then he had found the ox.ition ii ith his finger,. Dy- mond brought a roar of laughter from the crowded evulrootn by asking Dr. ''Sinck to circle the point with .s heavy marktrig :pen. �N'I;(.11�NN 71.:ItNE1) to rry mond and gave him a look ot atm.; etnent and Vita � " � no bullets in the cadaver. You resod some information to know sthat might have oc- curred. Q-,Your X-rays that you took at.that time showed no blillet in .the head of the pres-- ident .A-The entire body waa X- rayed. The head and the body 'had been X-rayed. When I at- rived at Bethesda. the X-rays if the head shOised only frag- ments of missile in thehead, Irie at ion of the tea, heetemy Moslem at the !rent 'if the president's neck was consistent medically with the wound entry in the front tithe president's neck. .wasn't A-Yes. Q-was there anything in- consistent about this? � Q-As an expert. doctor: can you say what was the exit pc.iint! A-1 have seen the shirt of President Kennedy. . Q--What did .you observe? A.-In connection with the exit wet* on Ow Irons of the shirt of President �Kennedy there was a small wound ap- preximately at the level of the button on the ahtel. . At this point Dr. Fink reached with his finger and toucheat the first button below the collar on his min shirt and continued: TIIE FIBERS at the edge of the hole showed blood The laves were turned outward. indicating an outward 'move- men! ,of the projectile. The exit hole is entirely Compati- ble with the incision I saw at the time of the autopsy. Al this point Dymond pick! ed up a pheithifeaph of' a. nketeh and handerl it to Dr. Fink. Q this photograph a .like, ness of a human body, doe. tot' . A-II is. Q-Did you have this sketch et the time vOu performed Ps) � A-Yex. it was drawn by seerwsone else. however. It was made by a Navy enlisted man and see' used it ',when melon?, our �testimeny befere the Warren Commission, De. Hughes supervised the draw. ink'. AT THIS POINT the de-, fence introduced the sketch into evidence. Dy�mond asked: Q-Doctor, in your pies- ruler and measured from what he said was the high 'bone point of Wegmann's right shoulder in toward Weg- mann's spinal column. He then measured down from the lobe of Wegthonn's tar and :told. the jury that the bullet entered here at 'A point on the right side of the nape of the neck five .inches down from the lobe of the ear con- sistent with the point of the right shoulder. ' Dymond gave Pinsk a pen and he drew �a round mark on the back .of yegmann's shirt fibula four inches be- low hin collar. Q-With respect to wounds in bony matters such as the skull: rim you tell us if mraterilig, tractoring or beveling are the same thing.? �. 1,Ae-In describing wounds. in whieWprojectiles pass through �ssfalicturee such as bones, this la called tractoring. connection with the autopsy which you "conducted on President Kennedy did you :have occasion to examine a head wound? A-Yes, I did. Q--Can-you describe the ex- tent and nature of the ex- amhiation sou Made? saw in the tack of the head of President Kennedy on the right side approZirnately one inch, trent the bone promi- nence you Can all fee! in the .back�of your head and called the external occipital mother- ' once. I s�aw a wourid.atightly aboveithis protuberance. ifis-What was the approxi- mate location of this wound? -It;was a wound in the scalp on the � right side ap- proximately one Inch to the eight or; that protuberance and *lightly. above It. .'.1-4.ati you describe the na- time of. this head wound? ,A-This would be one with slightly. Irregular edges in contrail to the first wound I described in the neck. I can explain the reasons for that. The tissue �underlining the akin ef the back orthe 'neck are soft tissues and a bullet which strikes here does not meet the resistance of a borie as would be the case for the scalp wound, which explains the differeoce. In the charac- ter of the two wounds. Corresponding to the scalp wounds, there was a hole in the bone in. the skull of Pen. ameter when examined from : Ima from above down, tint law enforcement offh 1 Q-1n order to make a con- did this was Itsherg, bu. the outside than when ex� amined from the inside. On the basis of such factors u. that, the direction of a bullet path is determined. � Q-In addition to what you describe as the bullet hole of entrance, was there any oth- er damage to the skull of President Kennedy? A-There was a very, large wound. Irregular In shape. ntar.ehaped, what w�icall stellote, approximately five Inches In diameter, to be ey act. 13 centimeters in .diam- eter, showing the force of the object. � We renewed from Pellas portions of bone which had the same appearance As the general tipperrance of the re mauling parts of the, skull of .President Kennedy. One of these framlents could be matched insile the wound. I saw beveling as described to you. The Crater, when viewed from the out- side, Identifies a pattern of exit from the inside In the case of a high-welt> city. projectile, there can never be a complete tecon- structim of the wound Of exit because of the explosive and shattering force of this Wound of exit since the %%ivied of exit normally is very irre- :Often we don't have all the pieces of the bone. As I re- call it, we � received these fragments of skull bone dun ing the autopsy sometime, about' II p. m. Q-When you say approxi- mately II p. m., to what day are you referring? A-On Nov. 22, 1163, the day .of the asaasisination. Q-Were there any frig. rnents of the skull that would be Incompatible with a deter. mination that the bullet was fired from the rear? A-There.were,none, Q-Having examined the skull, do you have a detente opinion as to whether the projectile causing the damage entered from the back? A-I have a definite �pin. Ion. We had I the skull. X-rayed. We found metallic fragments on the X-ray film of the head of the president and we found metallic frag- ments on the bone fragments furnished us. have a firm opinion that elm-zo regarding the diree- boo of the proiectile is firm, hue no doubt that the but. kt entered the back of the beal. cl-Fron a standpoint of a pathelegist, would it be pas- siKe to render a pathological oPloion by only having seen the Zapruder film and having cordocied independent tests? DR. FINCK testified the Mei was of great value In dettreining the sequence of shai arid to showing the pee men and movement of the Prelkierlt's hotly. hut he did Ott answer the question di- rectly, c�-�At the time you per- formed the autoosy, had the Warren Commission b e e ii 'formed' A-I don't think so. Q-When did you form an opinim as to the direction, of the projectile that hit Pres- ideal Kennedy and as to the number of wounds? A-At the time signed the autopsy report I had a firm, opireon that both. bullets 'truckle. the back, one in the back of the neck and, the other in the back of the head. Wheel signed the report. I did not know the sequence of the shots. DYMOND THEN asked if the opinion was an honest pro- fessional opinion and U it Was affected In any. .way by goy- ernment officials. � A-My opinion 'Is an honest professional opinion. � Cross-examination got tin- der Way about 11 aim. � . � t is subjert to verification dials. military officials and the � elusion tor an auoapr like, are photographs and X-rays I Q-Doctor, you were one of needed? � extremely use- IN RESPONSE TO ques- tions by Osier, Flock said he was one of three authors--of an autopsy report and said there Was agreement by the three team members on the autopsy tinclings. Q-In other words, doctor. it t\lertse.t to say you agreed as to the results and how it was done! A-Yes. And how it should be reported. Q-Did you conduct any ex- periments or research on the effect of a deep, penetrating wound of the brain or the ' A-I did not. However, I have carried out experiments to study the effects of a but- the three pathologists, were you not? A-Yes. � � Q-Was that army general a :pathologist. A-No. Q-Was he a doctor? A-No. I don't believe. Q-Can you give me his name, plense? A-No, can't. I'm sorry Wt.! don't remember. Q -Do you hove photo. graphs with you of the X-rays .taken of .President Kennedy's body? A-No. sir. They ore not with rne. Q-What time did �you at - rive at the Bethesda Naval liospital Was the autopsy already begun? A-When I arrived, X-rays had been taken of the head. , I arrived a 'short time after the beginning of the autopsy . I can't give you an exact time . . . approximately o'clock that night. The brain had been removed. Dr. Hume told me he did not have too Much difficulty In removing the brain. The wound was of �such an extent, about five Inches in diameter, it was not too difficult to remove the brain. There had been no removal of the wound .at the back of the head prior to my arrival. I made :positive iden. tification of both wounds of entry. The first was . the wound In the head;the second was the wound in the neck. You see, at that time, we did not know �the . sequence of shots. The Zapruder .film ac'. termined this for us. Q-Ilose many other military personnel were present, doc- tor? ..k-The room was quite crowded. I didn't stop to make- mites of 00 was prev mg. When you're called upon to examine wounds of the president of the United States, who is dead, you .don't stop to see who Is In the TOroom . it was crowded. There were FBI agents, military of- ficers and 'civilians. Q-Did you feel you had to take. orders from that Army general? A-The y are e F1NCK SMILED and _ tut. Q-But is it normal prac- tice? � /t-It is' normal practice to ! Like X-rays and photographs k of a victim. Q-Do you know If these photographs and X-rays were ever displayed before the Warren Comminsion? AT THIS' POINT Dymond otoected: Your Ilonor, we've said tune and time again that were not trying the Warren Commission. This question Is � irrelevant." Judge � 1 la ggeety replied: "This man appeared before the Warren Commission, I think he can answer what he " knows about w e , Finck then continued, i's--When .1 appeared be- fore the Warren Comitussion I in March Of 1964 the X-rays and photographs were not available to us in the prepa. ration of our testimony. I op- , pcared at the hearing with I the two other pathologists- ; Dr. Humes and pr. Boswell. Q- ' h. avail' I able? don't� k � I under' I stood It was the wish of the attorney general. who was then Robert Kennedy. Q--Ind the person who these drawir.;:s have the graphs and X-ros of I0pSy available to him. know of your own 10: know 'Aye 7 A-To my krootedg Navy enlisted man have thes6 availaide \as we did not have avaliahle to its in Star, ts Am I eortet'i 11141,11AI t exhitot was put I! n11.116.11 pdttioltql�I' � 1/VNIt1ND fir Flock dill mit kw: I pit in Ow material Naggerty ( nsk no- ieromie agsi -in you o^ . material the dr ; sheet was rmt !r, re hy- i fide p:,tholo;vt, I)ytntir$ o. 3,7 Lidk. objection. AT TI115 POINT (her point- i ed out an exhibit pegged State 68 which he claimed was the autopsy report from the Bethesda Old.) Naval Hospi- tal where President Kennedy's. body � � Q-Do you recegnise this drawing? A-1 recognize It, but. I'm not the author of it. Q-But. it's similar to some- thing you've seed before? A-1 recognize it. At. the bottom is the autopsy. number given at Bethesda for the au- topsy��performed on President Kennedy. The drawings may have been made by Drs. Humes and Boswell. Q-Do you know what this report contains? A-Yes,. the things patholo- .gists notice. You put doom what you find upoo inspec- tion. Q-Would you say the area of the hole in the back of the cadaver in tower and Q- . like the or.... with the aivornpanv the aut.,,,,s you sigoed' A--I baseh,te a th" report Dr Firti:V ments, to peruse the lkiye pla,ta rot 'til. II; the ,tt';,rr mission tlearii,gs throuch tic" '.SL', are ciaees /1.. ' I signed As I r � t is part if the- et.h.b;' AT THIS l'oENT. he wood have to s, copy of the Warren Judge Haggett,' s�ol'l I like r I said he had only nueso.ein and that I like tic get it in t, : remess "h'nu think yip.' e- toots said Jiyizs lager ' could take a half h � 1114ger � t,he � V." a hath si A-On the skin of President Kee-se-Sy, I saw on the right site approSenate:y five inChr.% �te,;),, the m1. sd promms sesie 'behind the sari the vas:el. This erend is aP7rux- a'r:y five inches from the r.eat . � et.ich is the 4:mu eatryme bony pre:essence of Inc shoslier and approxe rnatsly leo inches from the rosa.rie. ther. Nal. asked to de. scribe the wound itself. A-The regular edges were reished mward I saw a reg. tear %remit with regular edges pehed 'wear& what sse call -inverted " This edge ate:race' sOiat we rail "abrasion.- usto hes'n , when an object r.ins against �Pcornething arid ges.s �thrtenth )ou examine the amine" ' A-I looked at it very (lose- 1)- and 1 hasp the 0:Amen ... teat �Ilss was raoend of en. try, uh.eh is 3 ryn(reyre for entraser suture of the wose.d. what would you say had ersered the president's west? �A -I: "as a wr...ref conist. rot h�����.t, L-af t vie ea by I. � anyttang yr.; tiol.ced !list was ir.coripa'iitile or irics.r.�iSlr-fit the A euOCI reside by a ballet' As-No tss-laseor. wcrjd seu de- e.? Ja. the wouisd foarid in the pore al reek reeves of the 0,��..41.�tt!' A� �AL tope.y I Aar in the friss 'if res..; riefiliedy a trareiveria) iw-sam made /or the ptirpese in iissewg � sh:th the type o! incision per:- Series-4 fur a trot �reser:is - *a wound true!, by a surgeon Q--Ihd yeu examine the woond rnssle try the iisirghigo A -II 1114 4 Ift,P414 0414(m). rQUIld . on per� � 41ellt reede to let the patient breathe. Q red rse thh exit ht that A � The Ii.' ".o ill day Dr. If�dries l41P,/ rtif pqn1 )11 10w fV)p.r 1,01111..1 Ira, heoterily r ho 1,JIM bay writ he kid .sti�ii .T T1II PONT the state ebaea.s..d that thsr eould be hearsay; essienve and Dr. Fink rep:as:a:a: A-In per� feen-Sng an closy of this sort yiesi had to hese all of the tarts utien a weird was fearel in nor bask of the roes and ','ire was feunri in the front and *hen x�rays iriessed r,./, 51140 Ut front of the jury with the draeinc in his hand and'ex- pirunedi A-This represents the right tide of the � head and upper' chest of President Kennedy. The arrows you .see behind his neck -indicate' that the prosecs trie entered at the back of the neck. - The arrow you see in front of the neck of the' draw. log indicates - the prOjectile came out in front of the neck. You will notice that the:posi- tion of the bead is alo0g- vertieal� line as compared to � a herizreital line.. You will notice that the line, of entry of the wound it Use bark is in relation to. the wound of exit in the front, -of the neek and in real-lento a' herizontal line. Notice- that the entry on the back of neck is higher than the exit in the front of the neck. Q-Xow I ask you whether the sketch purports to:repre- sent the actual verkloM4posl- lien of the. head ortheAresi� � dent or an arbitrary line?; .Could the president have been . leaning farther forward cir. does the sketch' represent the true position of the preale dent's head? A-As regards the position at-the time of. wounding. .the; Zaeruder film shows that the. -president was sitting in' the presidential limousine in a' straieht-up position looking in. a generally leeward directioe. Q-From your examination of this 7.apruder film, .could you determine !hat the presi. dent a. as tot by the firat -but. tret� A -no 111.'0 value of the film. to us was to establiali the position of the president and also the sequence of shots. I I remind you, at-the time of the autopsy, we could not ele.� termitic the sequence of shots. Seldem can you do� this by liaiging at ss'ounela. You 'can determine the relative diree. turn. But the sequence of the. missal.% was determined by the turn. Q.-W,a� this wound Inflicted by a shot from the rear or it." free' of the president' A��It eels definitely land; by 4 elint front .the rear. The drawing was then pass- ed around to are ju,ry. During Fink's . explanation to the jury of the exact en. try .point of the bullet into , the President's neck, defense attorney Wegmann stood about 10 feet in front of the Jury with his back to the jury bee. mt.�FINK took out a small ..A,r. I U. l,v CC c, 1 saw a hole but no crater _around it. When I looked M it from the :inside of the skull I saw a 'definite crater. This is a certain factor to identify posi- tively the direction of a pro- le going through a flat bone, such as going through the skull. I have seen a number of such; craters in wood and glass. .Police use this meth- od all the time to determine the entry of a bullet. Q -Now, doctor, l show you an exhibit in a rked D, a sketch, Could you tell us what It :represents? is the letter-sized black and white drawing en. tied, "A. perforating miasiie w und of the skull." It shows a 'scheme prepared at my di- rection at the Armed Force.; Institute of -Pathology and based on , factors just de. scribed,' .Q-Can you tell us if this was prepared :before or aft- er the assassination of Pres- ident Kennedy? Ae-It was prepared before the .assassination to demon- grate 'patterns of through and through wounds for leaching purposes. - AT THIS poivr Dymond Introduced the 'drawing as evidence. It was introduced without objection. ' Q�What . do you mean by honing and catering? ,Al this.; point the witness Mend up arid showed the pie. lure to the jury with this ex- planation: This scheme represcnits the (suit. of the sewn in white.. The cavity, that is the cranial cavity, labeled B. is hi black. The letter C is a- wound of entry and D is a wound of exit. In considering such through and through wounds, it must be realized that In a wound of entry and exit there may be fraerreints left by a projectile, but the bullet Is net null left there. You will notice at the level of C., when you examine the wound from the outside, the bele Is Smeller than the row observed from the caneire MO, In ranee wrests, diameter oatside Is 'smaller than the inside diameter of C. You can see a crater or cone from the ;inside. This is what we mean tractoring, cloning, shelving or beveling. When -a .. projectile goes. through a bony structure it.. produces a wound of exit .. Here, again, 'looking at the Wound, we see a larger cll. Q-A.s a result of your ex- amination of the head of the late President Kennedy, what phonon, if any opinion, do you have as to what direction the bullet came from? A-The bullet definitely struck in the back of the head, disintegrating, which is often the case when a bullet of high velocity goes through bone, producing numerous (bullet) fragments which we saw on the X-ray film and were found by us. We found many fragments. Q-Did you detect other wounds on the body of the late president? A-I did not-no other bul- let wounds. DYMOND THEN showed a sketch of Kennedy's head to Col.. Fleck and asked hies if he drew the sketch. A-No, it was drawn by someone else. Q-I now ask you does it depict the path of the bullet into and nut of the head of the president? A-It does. � Dymond then asked Dr. Flock to explain the sketch to the jury. A--Iris is a reproduction labeled D-29 representing the right side of the head ad the right shoulder and the upper chest of President Ken- nedy. For demonstration purposes, the drawing shows the wounds in a general way. Arrows indicate the di. rectinn of the missile, The or-, row at the hack of the head has the word "In" and the arrow at the right side, at the top of the head is labeled "Out." See the small entry wound at the back of the head and the much larger wour.d-of exit, irregular on the right aide of the head. This indi- cates the general 'direction the bullet struck the bank of the head coming out on the right side. � The general de rection . of this missile path is from the rear to the front, going downwards. . DR. FINCK then went had to the witness stand and Pp mend maimed his queition, Q-In view of the small sin -the small size of the hole in the President's head and rela- tive-large size of the exit, was it possible to determine the angle with which the bullet struck the head? A-Not with precision . � � the projectile entered in the back and came out on the right side and the direction ry lv.1�Iskrn.:y oi soft tissue. I was quite in- terested in studying both. OSER ASKED him if he told the Warren Commission that he had not conducted ex- periments prior to the autopsy on missiles penetrating the brain and the skull. A-That is correct. I have carried out these experiments after the Warren Commission report. Q-When did you carry out these ex-p.erimehts? A-December of 1965, Jams, any of 1966. � HE SAID HE conducted re- search with rifle bullet; and said the experiments had no connection with President Kennedy's death. He said other experiments were made in the FBI laboratory and that they were not connected with the assassination. Oser asked if at the time the autopsy �report was made, was it based on observations made at that time.. He answered In the affirma- tive and added that it .also was based on information re- ceived � the following day con- cerning the frontal neck wound which was extended to make a surgical Q-When did you � contact the doctors at the Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas? A-I did not: Dr. Hume did. Q-Do you know when?. A-I believe It was the morning following the autopsy report, a Saturday morning. the 21rd of lenvember, 1963. .Q---Why the-, delay In con- tacting the dry:tore who per. termed the operation? A-I can't explain that. Dr Hume told me he had called the doctors. THE 'WITNESS said he was Interested in the wound be. cause he snw an entry wound In the back of the neck and none In front, and he had strong reason to Inquire If there was another wound. Q-It puzzled you at that time? (tsER AftgE1) why the eol- oriel did not call the doctors at the hozpital. A-I would like to .remind you I was not in charge of this autopsy. I was called In as a consultant to examine the wounds and that doesn't mean I was running the show. Dr. Hume asked who was in charge and I recall some gen- eral said "I am." I don't re- call this 'general's name. 'There were many people press iie said he recatlii that Adm. Kinney, the surgeon general of the Navy, seemed to be the ranking officer. Q-You were told not to dis- cuss the case? A-Yes, I was told not to dis- cuss without coordinating with the attorney gexeral of the United States, Q-Can you tell me how the President's body got from the scene of the homicide in Dal- las, � Tex. , to, Washington, D. C.? DYMOND OBJECTED, say. log the question was drrel. event. The Judge said he un- dents:cid the question to mean how was the body protected on the flight from Dallas. Ose,r did not rephrase the question, but asked Finck how many photographs were taken. Flock said some were takers in his presense, and added that he was unsure of the exact number. Q-Prior to writing your . autopsy report, did you haVe occasion to view these pho(os? A-Yes, I did. . OSER SHOWED �Finck a copy of a report dated Jan. 20; 1967. Oaer said it was signed by the doctor. Q-On the first page, filth paragraph, St says in effect, Dr. -Flock first saw the photo- graphs on. Jan. 20, 1967. A-I did not say I had seen the photographs prior to writ- ing the autopsy report in 1963. THE DOCTOR, when the court stenographer read hack the question and answer, said he must have misunderstood the question. Ile said he meant to say that he had not seen the photos prior to writ- ing the 1963 � report. Q-Dr, Flock, didn't you testify that the X.rays and photograph; taken Miring the autopsy were used In making your autopsy report. A-No. I must have misun- derstood ,the,,queation The first time I raw the Xrays and photographs taken was In January 'of 1967. ' � Q'-.' Isn't It bet:wise I yam ed out to you in: your report, that you changed your testi- mony and said the court sten. ographer; must have misun- derstood? . A-I think so. I wish to em- phasize that .the first time I saw these photographs was In January of 1967, In WA I saw photographs but there were not of the autopsy but from the Zapruder film, remeasured the diagram cm Wegmana's. shirt). I would say it (the hole diawn on Wegmann) is higher than the one on the drawing. Q-Colonel. can you tell us whether the ink dot on .Mr. I 1Negmann's shirt is over the t, same area of his skin as the s spot where you fGund the arsapeet wound on President Kennedy's !ages siass skin? A-I' would say this. In re- P')I!"; lation to- the drawing, the Nips 'as mark on Mr. Wegmann's shirt Is higher than the mark on the drawing. Q'-You don't understand the question. If you carried the mark on the shirt and put it on the skin, is it the same as the mark you, saw on the .autopsy? � A-but the shirt is moving. Q-It is approximately the. same? A-It Is approximately the same. Q-Is Mr. th'egmann thc same height as Presiders: Kennedy? � A-I believe President Ken. nerly was taller. Q-sIse't it a fact, doctor, thin you measured from the rnastoid bone desen? A-I measured a certain die- Vance from the mastoid down linen aur .tesa...av p jo dons wiper taw fjp 01 kiai % a.N.14.14j tri qn.(v Ut put as; ./ aure , Si wa.soits iinz snot esep I steeicitN atesno if Gorr Ire, ?4i5 Trap and-the measurement was 14 1 041 Ol centimeters, as I recall. Yes. Fourteen centimeters (rum the r..,� right mastoid process, which s's4 is approximately Pe inchr3, Q -� Now , recall that you pieced a dot on Mr. Wee. mann, who was standing erect If he .reovect his be,id to tbw left or right, dohs Ibis lifd�nitl(tou affect the distance from the � 1. tuapis.ir mastoid bone? A-The movement of the 0; SA, head could have changed _St � 14 'POW 44 .4,41i 41414es Unilic 41 .433 �1/ OSER TI1F.N brought out a iesieseeeeei photographic bleyeip of Presi- dent Kennedy's hew] and blown-op drawing of the path ed of the hulhe through the Imes- Ident's skuK. An/iN .11e neted. Ifiple were the 74-01 res. s same draerngs preWeited to ' .2:. th. Warren ('Omnilinhin by. the from the ale ; -� � -a topsy. Q-Can you tell us who made these drawings? A-As far as I know. they ' were made al the Woe we testified before the Warren Commission in March lee). They were made under the direction of Dr. Hume at Bethesda Hospital It, a short period-two days. as I recall. m. a. . As I recall, the harne of I the Navy enlisted man isiss , slightly the distance from the mastoid to the neck. * magaid smut hi Ili v. al poiddri � sar he widow of aecused presidential assassin Lee 0:Atald today contradicted testimony by the star ,A It 71..ss in the trial of Clay L. Shaw. Its. Marina 0>wald Porter of l'.ichardSOrt, took the stand as the first defense witness tr4il of Shaw, :35. charged with conspiring I're,ident John F. Kennedy. tilSTIMCT JUX;E I:.dward A. Ilaggerty.. d,,,,A.r% a WA rre.,'n for a:directed el zeee.o.: hr. Shaw Hai he gear.ted it, the trial -e,se an4 hawuoulci hate gone 'free.. ! 'Net Atierne:. Garrison charges Shaw plotted ht�rt Oswald and David W. Ferric. P.j%The.,714 Iesuwd for -the slate Pie heard ';iee:t-,nr,, the ap,sass:nkt,on here in September, isi.lt?in Ferr,e's aParrneet. � are ;6,7 1:4,11 vAttts . a Marines testimony: um; their entire stay in Nos Orleans, Oswald spent only crie,,night away from home and he spent that in all. Russo testified Oswald was Ferries roommate. �OSWALD NEVER WORE. A BEARD. Russo said Os- wald was heeiderl, and tailed to Identify a Picture Of hint until a beard as drasim on it �Marina never 'heard of Shaw, Clay Bertrand;."Ferrie, Rtis,so, Dean, Andrews or a number of other persons con- meted . with. the Garrison ease. ".�Oswald ordinarily dressed neatly. in clean eothes. and wote..short hair,. Russo had described him as dirty. lonetaired and unkempt. ,.1.1.GIMCOORED STATION wagon belonging to Mts. :Fttith .paine: was parked outside the Paine household in leving,;;Tex,:i at the time of the assassinelion. Two state witnesses �teified to seeing persons flee the Texas School Book Depa light-colored stollen wagon. �Oswald never discussed any curtain rods with her. A 6 Policemen Hurt WASHINOTON (AP)�A shootout between police and a Mart 4a'rii!iadnd in a northwest WashingtrAt home left three civilians dead, three policemen wounded by shotgun blasts and threw other :officers injured today. Police saidlbe man; who opened fire on two officers as they responded to an emergency call, shot himself to death alter tear 'gas shells, set .fire to the three-story home in a niidelleaf;l3kighOor*d� Two women, one believed by neighbors to be a mak!, also were killed. One died In the house, the other staggered out- side arid. felt a sidewalk. THE THREE POLICEMEN WERE REPORTED to be � . ..1.* vr7 earl Aft icor state witness testified Oswald told him he was going to the Paine hoestrold the night before the assassination to pick up some curtain rods his wife ,had bought him. Marirei was questioned by chief defense counsel F. Irvin Ja,.D'imes711.. Altheocf'nk.cni cross csarnirIStice by chief Prmeti. tor Dimond moved for the directed verdict yesterday after the state rested its case. ALSO TODAY, THE DEFENSE subpenacci three more Sthnen44. Trey are Sam Ferderson, 2144 Deslonde: Arthur Q. Davis, NI Canal. and Preston ,Smith of the the Post vffi Marina has consistently supPirted the Warren Commis. sion's vlew mat her late husband was the lone assassin. She testified at length before the commission. Aeer Judge Haggerty turned down the motion for a di-, rccwd verdict, the jury was brought back into the court- (Turn to Page IS, Column Capt. John Reynolds, 48, next on the scene, also was hit in the face with a shotgun blast as he attempted to spot the .guntr.an (rent an adjoining house. In addition, Capt. Charles Monroe was Injured badly when he jumped from the burning building following the. shooting. The house caught fire; after police fired tear gas grenades inside. Two other officers were being treated for either smoke' inhalation or the effects of tear ges. THE MORNING SIEGE OF THE HOME began about when a neighbor reported hearing shots,oext door., ,, b � '.'W' V, MRS. 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( tit form the wept .1', ootte.t-1 by the * r Pritd Ziaa ANgi.1.� iwassacw �It.JAW PROSI INC IC? so' twekerstres tawswww Vital ������� paw." .� -"MAT AC Tt.tAT DAVIEOS-Do/E THING , C0CM ispAom 11461g '203 .13341 U104 pasuatu0 3�1{1 0 � MN 0031000 31.3nriS a.tax Ilauttag put aapiutpshOli 'Pooq ..xxgrittau aso al pap; 2snaq nemis Po disodaa at er1elsaat sr 1)4At-u! Ocit ire ao. el oqs los.0 agui. �oz Ttrai.eprtou � EIGHTEEN FRIDAY x ' ORLFAN Marina Denies Oswald Lived with Ferrie I Continued from Front Page . � : room and Pyramid lodged a formal objection to the judge's action.. � THEN THE DEFENSE called Mrs. Porter, who Identh � .0 fled herself a..0 Oswald 's index. She said she now lit-es in �Rictiardson. Tex.. with her new husband. her two daughters ! by Oswald and a child born after her !Marriage, � . She said she arid Oswald Moved to hew Orleans from.. � �Dallas in May. 1963. She said Osicaki time Orli And leirist o them M bite MiMagatine-itt. She could riot recall 7 the landlord's _Dante Oswald, Marina said, Aso employed by the Relly Cof- fee co. and went back *id forth to work on the bus. She said she never sait.Oswald'Arlim an automobile. , _ "DID YOU ever know: him to wear a beard?" Dymond asked. "No. sir." said Mashie. Oswald never wore tang halt, Marina said. Asked If be kept It combed. she-said "There wasn't much to comb." DYNIOND THEN Sated Marina If Oswald ever went to Clinton. La. "Not that I know of." she replied. The state introduced series of witnesses placing Os- wald with Shaw and Ferrle In Clinton in the late summer of 1963. The witness said Osivald left New. Orleans about a week or 10 days after she did and she next saw him at the home of Mrs. Ruth Paine in Irving, Texas. (She did not date this event TIOday..ibut :the Warren Commission said Oswald left New Oeleans on Sept. ZS, 1963-). After Oswald lost his coffee. company job, Marina said, be "stayed around the house most of the time: Sometimes he would go to the library or to look for a Job." . He spent his nights at home, she said. Asked if Oswald had many friends. she said "just his relatives." She Said the only trip the family took while bete was to Alabama. DYMOND THEN REELED off a list of tallies of persons who bane been connected to the Garrison case in one *ay. cc another. Marina said shed id :Rol know any of: them. The ;'� names are: Clay Shaw. Clay Bertrand. Clem Bertrand,. David Fes. tie, Sandra Moffett, Miles Peterson. Layton Martens, Alvin Beauboeuf, Melvin_ Coffey, Al Landry. James Lewallen aria Perry Raymond Russo., She said to her knowledge, her husband never knew e- any of these people. In the case of Ferrie, she was shown � three photos. She said none of them looked. fatailiar. ASKED IF OSWALD USED any aliases. she said he once signed some 'papers in the name of Hidell, (The War- ren Commission said Oswald used this name in Ordering the, nfle used to kill Kennedy.) Marina said her husband mmed a rifle ' while hr.! and Drams! called for. one which has been introduced into evidence. While waiting for it. he asked Marina about Os- wald's political views. She said: He dal not talk about polities in the presence of inc." Asked if he made any speeches, she said: "HE MADE SOME kind of a speech when he visited some kind :of a Catholic seminary here. � I didn't attend. A-al then he -had some kind of an interview] on a radio here in New Orleans. I didn't know if it .wasipolitical be- cause at that time I didn't speak English." - When her husband got in Dallas. Marina said he told her he had been to Mexico. At this point, the rifle armed and Dymond asked her it she acre 13:111liar with It., -NO, rm NOT AN expert Co rifles." site said. &vs,- card she has seen Oswald cleaning the gun or sit- Then he told me he had lost his jab and be started basking for another." she said. . Alcock asked her If during that time Oswald cortiteed to leave the house during the same boars as if be were working. She said he did. She sail be ranste -WM bet anything he did. "�� � "I DIDN'T LIE. I just �didn't tell them he went.- said Marina. She said she appeared before the Warren Commits* three or four times. "Do you recall admitting you bed to the Warren Conunissfon?" Meat aced "No, sir,! don't remember that at all Utast toa them everything I know," she said. Alcock then read a statemert, appease:sta. from Ma- rina's testimony in the Warren Report, in which she said she did not like the FBI agents and. Led to them about Oswaid's trip to Mexico. � DYMOND OBJECTED AND SAID her entire testnmony before the commission should be es.......i-tted -because Mr. Al. cock has opened the door." Judge Haggerty everruksi him, saying he did .not know what Mach-ass:able Material was al- lowed by the commission. Marina said: -Most of these ocess..iors were pet to me by the FBI and. 1 diei not like them. �Trry. sea W&Ni I give ttstirtioay I don't lie. I didn't be to the Warren Com- mission." On redirect. Marina said she does ric;t knser what Oswald planned to do ai,out her if he had beers s3xcesul as his plan- to reach Cuba. Marina was then excused as L witness and cost re- cessed tor hinch. . Judge Haggerty studied transcripts of the testimony of Russo overnight in order to make his decision on the di- rected verdict motion. � � Garrasm said of the &et- "I have on reaction I have MARINA SAID SHE KNEW her husband was handing Out leaflets. She said he � was -mate excited" sheet them. � "I take It he waina.horne doting the day :when be was pretending to vorkAlcock said Marina agreed. � "pi, you knew *hat he was doing when be' pretended work." be Asked. "No." said Marina. "But be vestal home was be Marina agreed be � ASKED IF SHE CONSIDERS Oswald a Communist. Marina replied. "No sir." " She said she doesn't. remember any FBI agents went to the apartment to see Oswald In New Orleans. Marina testified Oswald told her he shot at Gen. Edwin A. Walker. She said she didn't know she* this was and didn't report It to anyone before the Kenneeke a&-casinstion. . One day, she said, a man came to the deer of the apart- ment on Magazine and talked to Oswald. Site said she did not see the man. but "Lee came back inside and said it was probably some FBI agent or maybe a reporter. � The man didn't stay long." "DID THE FBI USUALLY latart. on him?" Aleack asked. "Yes," said Marina. Alcock asked if Oswald ever saw an attorney in New Orleans aboid his discharge front, the service and she said she didn't remember. (NM: Orleans attorney Dean A. An- drews Jr. told the Warren Oirnmiton :Cusald consulted hint about his Marine Corps discharge. Marius said today she never heard of Andrews.) "Did you tell the Warren Commiasien yuct lied to the FBI about Oswald's trip to Mexico!" Alcock asked. Ferrse's memmate. He said .S'iriw was karoduced : 1 as Cern Bertrand. has ; denied knewnee ether mu and daaszed be ever cad such an 24 Vt ling with It on tne porch. hoe said one tater saw the nile at !Nth raine's house. 1 iy inond asked Marina if she ever knew Oswald to have � any large sums of Merry. She said no. Asked what is the � rnost -money he ever gave her, she said:- "A dollar.' . . SHE TESTIFIED THEY left New Orleans owing two weeks' relit At the time of the assassination. Marina said she was living with Atrs. Paine In Irving when the president was killed.Sti said Mrs. Painee station wagon was parked at the house at the time of the assaesination. Marina testified her husband lived In Dallas and visited the faintly in Irving on. weekend!. She said she never saw his apartment .Ut oDallas. ' After st. brief recess Ditnoral walked directly behind Shaw and asked Ntarimi: -:.^Mrs. Porter, have you ever seen this man, Mr Shaw, before!" "Nu, today was the (kit time I ever saw that min," she . - � SHE SAID Tilt OSIVALDS never received any MU at Magazine EL addressed Is Shaw orl with Shaw's return ad- dress on It. She said they received no letters or phone calls (Min Shaw. � � Aleock then began cross-examining the witness. She said Oswald came to see her the night before the assas- sination. a Thursday night. This was unusual, she said, because he normally only came on weekends. She said he did not go out that night. Marina said Oswald never mentioned any curtain rods to her. A state witness. Buell W. Frazier, testified Oswald told him the purpose of that particular trip to Irving was to pick up curtain rods his wife bad bought for his apartment. SHE SAID bitvALD KEPT his rifle In the Paine garage. She said she saw him go into the garage that night, but *did not see him bring anything out. She said that after the assassination, police came to the house and looked for the rifle, but didn't fin& ft. Marina said she spoke to Oswald in the Dallas police station once after the slaying. Oewald's mother was also present she said. Alcock asked her what Oswald told her. She said: "HE TOLD. ME NOT TO worry. He told me everything would be-all right." . "Did he.adridt to you that he had shot President Ken- nedy?" Alcocic "No, sir. I didn't ask him about that," she sal& Marina. said Oswald did not ask her to get him an attorney. She never saw him again. Marina testified she was questioned by the FBI and Secret Service. Alcock- asked her if she ever was told by the FBI she would have to cooperate in skies to stay in the country. Dymond objected and Was sustained. SHE SAID SHE TRIED to contact Oswald once in Dal- las and could not because he had taken the apartment under an assumed name. "That Made me angry with him," she said. This teak place -shortly before the assassination. she said. In New Orleans. Marina said, she once went to the coffee Company where Oswald worked and did not find !Urn there., She said she may have gone to the wrong company. Marina said Oswald did not tell her he had lost his job until three days after be lost it. SI1E SAID OSWALD HAD few friends, never talked mud, liked to be alone and read a lot. .She Said he was out of work for about a month in the summer of 1963. "I found out he .had pretended be was. still working. I IN THE courtroom. there � . Was a shod burst of applause from spectators as the judge announced his decision. . Court convened at -9:05 a. m., and Judge Haggerty said, "I'm going to make my ruling out of the presence of the jury." lie then said he had been asked to call a five- minute recess after his de- cision so there would not be a no nervous system any more. ruich to get out of the court- room. The judge then said: "The motion for a directed verdict Is denied." SHAW WAS In the process of either taking paper! view 'putting Mein IMO a briefcase. He stood up and looked toward the back of the court- room. He walked to the rail separating the spectators from the court Area, paused briefly looking to the back of the room, his face somber. He then walked back to the defense table. His attorneys sat at the table. Garrison strolled Into the crAutroom a few minutes be- fore the judge took the bench. He walked back to the area of the judge's chamber, then came out and left the court- roons. TUE COURTROOM was packed for Judge liag,gerty's decision. As the recess began, Shaw managed a smile and told re- porters: "I am still confident I will be vindicated." Arguing for the directed verdict, Dymond said: "Perry Russo admitted from that witness stand that this was, in his own terminology, a bull session. "He was asked, 'Did you hear Clay Shaw agree to do anything.' He said, 'no.' With- out such agreement, the re quirements of law cannot be met" Alcock argiiedthihsome of Judge Haggerty's rulings in the course of the trial al- ready held the state had es- tablished the basis of a con- spiracy case. Alcock said Dymond' view cf the alleged conspiracy meeting. "seems to .overlook the fact that one of the par- ticipants in this conversation was Lee Harvey Oswald." In his testimony. Russo said he knew Oswald as Leon FERRI': DIED in the apart ment Fe b� 22. 1967. shortly , after Garrison's investigation Was made putlic. The coro- ner arid the death was due . to natural cause-a. Oswald was slain by Jack -Ruby in 'he Dallas 'police N-adouarters two days after the assauination. Ruby died of cancer in/. prison. Testimony, Statement By Witness Diller (Special to the States-Item) . WASHINGTON�A Federal Thread Of Investigation le- port on Richard Raymond Carr Is somewhat different from the testimony he gave In New Orleans la the trial of Clay L. Shaw. Carr. of Dallas, testified at New Orleans he was on the seventh floor of an office building overlooking Dealey Plaza and directly across from the Texas School Book Depository when President Kennedy was assassinated. CARR SAID he saw a man In a fifth floor window of the depository just before the shot were fired Bad saw the saads. merman flee on foot after- wThe witness also said he saw three other men flee the depository and drive away in a station wagon. He said he could tell the shots came from the grassy knoll area because he saw a bullet cause a movement in the plaza's grass seven floors below. � Carr said he was told by the FBI to "keep his mouth shut" about what he saw. FBI agents interviewed Carr early in 1964, but the re ports oh the conversation make no mention of an order of silence. THE FBI report quotes Carr as describing a man he I saw in the "top" floor of the depository, and be belkved that was the same man he saw drive away in 3 car. Carr told the FBI he heard .noises in the street below bid did not know what caused them .until later when he heard about the assassination on television. In the first FBI interview. ft Carr mentioned seeing only the one man in the book warehouse. his signed state ment later said the getaway car was driven "by a young Negro." , Reaction-- INcitieued from Front Page plause from the spectators. they tell. was more a reaction of people who didn't want the proceedings to end. rather than any feeling they might have had about the dedsion. But it -iris all over. very quickly and. spectators grit their second big moment when into the courtroom strolled Mrs. Marina Oswald Porter. the widow of the man named .by the Warren Commission as the lone assassin of President Kennedy�Lee Harvey Os- wald. . ALL EYES were focused on the tiny wor.ian as she re- moved a green raincoat. Be- neath she was wearing a gray wool. loose-fitting dress with a white collar. ON TOP. of her head her blonde hair was arranged in a twist and she had thin bangs over her eyes. She was ao. companled by her husband, Kenneth Jess Parfet In her slight accent, she spoke so softly that she had to be urged several times to speak louder. At one- point, chief defense 1, counsel F. Irvin Dyniond walked over to the witness stand and readjusted the mi- crophone. But it helped very little. �3 ,r4liksY Testimony Due In Shaw Trial Army Col. Pierre A. Flock, a member of the three-malt team which performed the autopsy -on President Ken- nedy. was due on the witness stand this morning in the trial of Clay IA Shaw. Shaw, SS, Is on trial on charges of conspiring to kill Kennedy. The trial today moved into Its sixth week. � CHIEF DEFENSE counsel F. Irvin Dymond said yester- day Col. Flack's testimony will be the key rebuttal of District Attorney Jim Garri- son's claim Kennedy was caught In a crossfire. ICol. Finck and two Navy doctors performed the au- topsy the day Kennedy was shot, Nov. 22, 1963, and in their report described two 1 gunshot wounds, one in the head and the other in the upper back.. Their finding; contained In the Warren Commission Re- port, concluded: "IT IS OUR opinion that the deceased died as a result See TRIAL� Page 4� Trial� k . . Cattlaited front Page _ . Of two perforating gunshot wainds.Inflicted by high ve- locity 'projectiles. "The projectiles were fired from a point behind and Menewhat above the level of the deceased." . The conunission concluded that Lee Hanley ()maid acted alone In killing Ken- nedy. District Attorney Jim Garrison charges Shaw plot- ted the slaying here with Oswald and David W. Ferrie. DYMOND SAM over the week end he believes the trial will go to the jury by Thurs- day. This means questioning of defense witnesses would have to be completed during the next three days. Several snore are under subpen.s. Including fernier Texas Gov. John B. Connally and Milian:I Gurvlek a for- ays Garrison aide. Others include Alvin Beau- boeuf, a one-time Ferris as- sociate:: Hugh B. Evnicios, Beauboeufs attorney: Jesse J. Garner, Oswald's landlord: Jim Phelen, former Saturday Evening Post writer, and his photographer, Matt Herron, and several police officers. Shaw Is expected to take the stand in his own defense. He testified briefly last week as a traverse witness. '.rv.,zx FRIDAY - NEW ORLEAN >haw Trial Testimony !to:Waited frvm Page Si 0:$1,.e.7 1.4 IM rver fell 01:4 r!,,irie Yr't, I thifil. � you tell me he was og the name 0. It. lie? $�.�No, t�-�Liid he g�ve 11w .ad. ?la ;!;.1.0.fr.r.,i4t th:hii so. � F...-1)10 YOU ATTEMPT ;;:i there? .-Nn y..ir � 1.-'01d the FBI ever visit � in IrvIrk. Tex,? �-Yes, how many: ot:ch- � --/x.r.:e yrr t*re. f!-mn frr if s,e.4�1 le' a (sir sbrinieot 11..). � Ow � *Air oo.o.tyda.4 enii.vr:y at !.ix Piis. She 11.1 k riled � pr .3 oh. 11,0 owe ,�, , is, If y to � la ?Jr the tif;Or t r ,if Ow ao);log ii. hed, but It $ rrA tic I at, oo� Trill/fried If r roerrii r huil,sivi's ,ing � pt,thl. � were here in New Orleans? AQ:YDeids, you go out many places while you were here? Q-Dlil you go to the coffee company where Leo was working? A-Yes, sir, Q-Did you find his there? 9-Did you go to the right A-No, sir. I 3 NM30 Si. 831.iVe coffee company? A-Maybe not. 1St 300W INYI1VA 9-Did he tell you which , litt,. ct'ing(feeforcompany he was work. rtisably did., A-No, sir. , I Q-But he wasn't home' i tlIttleft 1113 questioning: A-Yes.- I pkgted up the rifle when be , 9,y). EE9Z�SCII-IveH %PA AMI110E ;uougi!nba � 006i9$ Jo s2u!ne '004191 sLion rog lueentai pray 'mil Rue osia :moo Dees' 'oleo ea � 4ra'sopuosi mood lrat pm liemepuone 'owe ipso 'tie 'uoissestuea 2131:101.1t 111,1os Q-Did he give you the was he' phone number? A-No, Mr. 9�Do YOU KNOW ivhen Lee lost his, job at the cof- fee company? A-No, Air. 9-When did he tell you be lost his }oh? is�-liirres days alley he lost It, C./ -Do You recall testifying before the grand jury in New Ottawa'? A--Yes, sir. Q-1)o you +kali telling the regret Jury that Lee !oat his job during the month of August? Q-11 I told you that you testified that he lost his job co July 17 . , . At this point Dymond ob- )el'Al, Judge Haggerty over. ilk the objection and Dy- mad reserved s hill of es. crlon on the ebjettion, nianayed to get Uri Now to estehlish four lei steed her lair litigtior�I 0.6 Wit been brought eut ten by slate witnesses.' Mrs. Porter said Oswald hal very few friends, never 51i.tel much, liked to be b104, read lot, Q-Ilow long do you think Lou was out of work during A-1 don't know , � yea clay In New Orleans? I , ALCOCK II E.ti ASKED her � if Ow remembered takt ing a pieture of Lee while he will :holding .:s pistLil. She sa.�I the rilsiefilla�rud taking the pleture, but didn't recall his having a gun. Q � How many times did veil see the rifle in New Or- icons? A-Three. four or five � times. Q-71)31 you ever see It in his hands? A-Yes, -be pointed it in the house. Q-Dd you ever see him c an the rifle? 9,- OA you ever see any Sin munition' Aripa rent ly not under-. ski/when What you. call am- smellier!" t? Rola to. YoLl kr1OW Whit it? A 4 ip�$,,s ruing to 1110' Ill an Ai�ug asked, 'Can you ro- aft Ihrl, �� you iti.4 tag �,,ritn, I lbe host 'lug house?" A hefty lliieu to lone of I1 e as�essoiation. Q Was it bre? Or two **As ,r p" A.- .'u(si,rr, mu'iteiy 10 days, J,1:,! 1 retnwrnfrr having an argument with him about It, Q-VOL1 HAD AN argument with hirn. What do you mean? was upset with him, for not giving his real name, 9-You were expecting a baby at the time, weren't you? A-Yes. Q-When was the child born? . A-Oct. 20. Q-Did you consider it strange that he didn't regis- ter under his right name? A-Yes, I did. Q-You,: testified that I.Re used one: other alias, one of lie del, It that correct? A--Yes. Q-OID III LAE, any other aliases? . A -I. don't know, (4.- Mrs. porter, when you first got le New Orleans, did you %peak any English at all? A-No, sir. Q:- Did you �epelik any fang. uage other than Russian? A--No, sir, Q-thd. Lee speak Itioialan? A--Yes, Q-Mrs. Porter, were you expecting your baby while you _ Si . . Viryou say at the most a PRO. rn .106 PIP��������� lud!nt73QpIs.A.lopod 0 ynd 'pod iitu!A zz 'uops3ursuoii 11 "puoapf vod MMM M %mow-- A-YES. IT SEEMS like he was looking for a job about 1, a tts.nth, from about July to Aura I found out he had preoded he was still work. ulf Then he told me he had I kst its 'oh and he started I 1,4...g for another. C,Con you say that until 4c,.! Aug. 23 your husband s' le se house about the same krair,rhoerksvinogu7Id leave when he Q-4-01(cidLyou ever follow him � ia 'irk? k'-No I never did. 4-010 HE EVER tell you i itolt he worked? A-No, sir. Q-In fact, he rare,/ told Yos anything he did, isn't that cornet? 1'-That Is correct. Q-Did Lee read much? khCSLaiDihed rheeadta71k�to you about Vet. 11�VPI I flf Q-I take It he wats't home 1 during the day when he was pretending to be at work? A-Yes, sir, Q-What time did he get home from work? A-Five o'clock or 5:70, 9-Wao It light or dark, .444in y. A-Light. Q-DID GET. home every night at the same time? A-Yes, Q.-Were yea aware that he was arrested In New Orleans? A-Yer, air. 9-Did you see him that evening? , A-No, air. '. Q-0111 you see him next morning? A-Yes. sir. 9-Did he tell you about the Fair Play for Cuba Commit- tee? A-Yes, sir. . Q-Did you sec the leaflets? A-I don't recall the time knouledite Lee ever gave bu the brought them home. information to the FBI? Q-Did he have a post of. A-No. sir. rice box? A-Yes, sir. � Q-Did you ever go to II? Did you have, a key? E A-No, sir. ' 9-DID IIF, TELL you not to go Info his personal things? .A-Yes. Ever since we were married. 9-Did you ever iNo his personal things? . A-I tried not to. � 9-Do you know when. be got the post office box? A-No, sir. Q-Do you know If he. called �, the unempleyment office? A-No, air. �� Q-Do you know If he paid rent liv fte cheek? 9._Do you -k WWII he shot at Gen. Walker! A-No, Sir � q- you report this in- talent to anyone be,ort the A-- No, sir, -Do iou know if you and Mrs 1'4MP 10,41011 thw rib* to New Or Ivan t! A -1 $14Mt know, sir. Q � fog -he park Ios t-.c'.'ng- rip' Ibat you Wooed to New Orleans' A -Yes, tit-. Q-AFT1.11 LEY, told you Is. shot at rico. Walker, do I you remember him horning a notebook several ditys later? I A-No, SW. � Q--lie you know U Lee � kept a notebook? ' A-No, sir. Q-Did ou clean his Cr? /�-No, he cleaned it self. Q-Do you of your own lock- q�Do you Mt 4! � 01 got mad from! A--No, I dote r,, mail (4 -lin you kr,. ,t � the lear-ets thr-is.o,s A-I mink se -� 114 he t.". wrist Y:s p.vriTt�I, ti"ii A-IIK WA% Qt try. ed vtiot.1 ap1.141 for4.!"`.001-(4v) syro.iv-3xxirr =or; ests 'ammo.) ATram Alf11111 � .3.0 j.wdaa sifanidumw, ASSVib 3ONVINY SNOX1Nc .ff3LI-S31 y, S be :each you Ent A-Na ewe it=k h tO YOU WANT to Ett;:ish- k-Nc. At the time. I was tan w:ih the baby. , you say under direct esmina:= that Lee could and del net drive a car 'Eke in New Orleans? ' 1-11sat's right : 9�Did you ever see Lee be? I�Not act:any drive. Mn; Pane tied to show him � In of the house one day. you know what kind ;�i job Lee bad prier to coat- i* Neir.Otieani? A�No. ' ' Q�DID YOU KNOW what tine of week be did? I A�Ne, I Q�Did be leave you a i PM* number where you sight contact him at work? A�No. Q�Did you know whet !Pee he worked? , A�No. Q�Did you know any of � litt friends that he had here? A�No. tog it seemed like the &grit have many. lie I , .was an unfriendly person. � Q�Did you know your hus- band was handing out leaf- : lets? - A�Yes: Q�Did yen know how many � times he handed these out? A�I don't know. Q�DID YOU EVER see . him hand these out? i A�No. I A�Did be ever ask you to sigh anything? A�Yes, I signed my name Heidel became he told me if I didn't agree he would force A � 1 tun t (-�r�t).4 yai knew of any che.-I..n; accounts Q (net ICA )0.1 of an. of h,s friar4.7 � A- No, t.,r. He had no friends at all. Q�DID HE TELL you of . the places he went to get a yob after he 1G5t his yob? A�No. He had few friends. lie wasn't a friendly man. Q�You said he read a lot? A�Yes, sir. Q�Did you ever go to the library with him! A�Yes. Two or three times. Q�What library? A�IT WAS near our house. Q�D4 you testify he had Iwo dress shirts? A�Yes,' Q.-.Did be have many T- shirts? � A�Yes, sir. � Q�How many? � About four? A�Yes, sir. Q--Did he have many sport shirts? ' Mrs. Porter said the wasn't certain to what Alcock meant by sport shirts and be ex- plained. A�I DON'T 'THINK he had , many. Q�What did be do most of the time in the apartment on I Magazine? A�Ile sat holding the rifle a lot. Alcock showed her the rifle that las been used in the evidence. Q�Do you remember if the rifle had a scope like this one? � A�NO, SIR. I'm not famil- iar with rifles. Q�Did you consider Communist? A�No, sir. Q � Did any FBI agents pie to do It. come to your apartment while I Lee was in New Orleans? Q�Was it a physical threat? A-1 dui% remember. A�Yes. Q-Did anyone come at all? A�No, sir. Q�Wer* you in Mobile, Q�Did Ruth Butler come Lee a Ala., with Lee when he made to the apactmeet loth her a speech? two granddaughters? A�Yes. A�Yes. sir... Q�Did Ton hear what Tow' Q�That would be someone husband said! � who came to the apartment? A�No. A� es, sm. 0�Did lee say he shot at Q�m--r IT TRUE at the Gen. weket..? time your lin-tarid Was Peat' A�Yes, sir. ing that you had a mover- ; - cation with a Jesuit linen Q�WHEN DID he tell you? , who knew Kamm? A�Late at night. A�I remember talking to Q�When he came home ' the pneu. but I dent remem- ; late at night with the rifle? her eIleily when. cme.con. Alcock said he was ' Q�Do lcu mall what You -testing the witness' erect- ' told the primi? today.' Mrs. Porter oppar- t A�No, I dont remember. tatty did not understand Al- ' Q�Do you know what your cock's comment and she � husband was &mg when he asked. "You're 4 esti irg otis pretend:Ai to work! what?" A�No. In a moment Alcock con- I A -';'� � I hs:c etuldr :so.) rots Q cai hsic any othe ci s-,Yes. I have one othe 9- I ref', r ou to the y.e sr Pea.. nooresiei.o.r:y ahem dal !/:',.1 06666,14 ;�;,,�e taileane� A - tke New Of 1.1 � 4 r.dr� rionas, Tex. Q ri ), rre.ied to New CP:e:oti d4 you have ci k.tien? A-',. I hall one child �!-! '''NJare.ther - otd ^ 1..ee Harvey (-erne to Nee trrleans (oe:oer or separately! A.-We eione me vriarately, a-l� ca here first ar4 got a.rb arir.4.3 react to stay. c--.1q.pr,-1::nete'l how long ...er Lee Harvey O (o s to New !leates dot you r e Ne A..11 4 reek ; time. 4 lattk7 Came here I.re Oi*eld haee ti l!ve� A 14 already rented a -ware was the plare? A oven klayoione et Pm tier, or 4907 9 - te ii, iiere your landlerd ^ tera:144). A-I rton't know that now. fa-fed ),.g.; ever know? � Ll..-i.Not when I hvier, there. � I fe e ))U since learned A.:1 t nie;11 . . It�-1) .r.x the time you .4 4 je.ir in Nee (:,r..l.t..j,uriro. it. eras Lee (*i,4 eMployel? .1 -.Y se e.. be al. -. Where wa3h ern- ol: eas re the Reify Cof- � Ce sere Ids heurs! I -beta � j uwik, ti) 9 e-Ifow did he get to work? his j...-11�./W DID HE return ^ P..same way !. red he ever 'ran an au. tt.ihe 'little In New rim(' ne. Air. )04 e'VPr 0,1413 art eneoole in Teres� , Ne, tie never owned an Court Proceedings in Clay Shaw Conspiracy Tria (.mirued tram Front Pare loAd-aIvseteirterhinli lbert senis Orij leans.. Q-Where did you see him the nest time? A-The oext time I sae him at Ruth Pisines house. Q--Where U Ruth Palise's A-- AI Irving, Yes. ..-Ilurine the time you were being inNe* Orlean,. did you � eser know lare Harvey Oawald to spend tune away from home? . A-Only once, when he'spent the night in jail. Q.-IK) YOU RECALL any Other nights? A-No.' 9-Did he work anywhere el.e except the coffee cons. pony! A-Ile lent his Job shortly behare we lett New Warm., Q-After he lost his }oh with the (-Nice. -company, how did he spend his time? A -1:e stayed around the house most of the time. Some- Lmee he would go to the li- brary or to twat for a Job. 9-ajar) you tell where he spent his nights? A- At , � � Q-Witat did he do at home? A- Niggly he was reading, be read a lot? A -.Yet. 9-Ind you have many friende? A-Just his relatives. A- The family name Wu Mutet. 9-Ca.n you spell the name? A-No. 9-During the time that you lived here with Lee Harvey Oswald did you and he make ariy trips? � A-Yes, to Alabama. 9-folly one trip? A-Yes. 9-Do you nnnember how long alter you -moved here pea went to Alabama? A-I don't remember. 9-1>id you and -your fins. hand. visit any other persons here besides the Murals? A- We never visited. don't think so. 9-Was your husband ab- sent from home any nights when you lived here? A-N.,. 9-Was he home at night? A-Yes. 9-Ind any friends visit you exeept the Murals? A-Only owe. Mn, Ruth Paine and a lady with some ediddren, 9.../74n you recall thkir nainesa papers once in the name Heiden Q - D:d he use any other name? . � A - No. Not at the time was Married to turn. Q - Any other time before you ?named him? A - I P.OINO OUT he rent ed an apartment once under another nAIIIC. - Indite ever use the name of Leon Oswald? A - No. Q - Is that name familiar to you? A - No. � 'Q Was .he ever known to have ueed 'the name Harvey Oswald? A - I don't knosetsbout It. Q -. To your knowledge, Mr,. Porter, did he do that? A .No. . 9 - You said, "I don't know about that." That do you mean? I said did .he eves use the. .narne of Harvey Os- wald to your. knowledge? A - JIE MAY HAVE used that earns but net to my knowledge. 9 - During the time that you and Lee Morvey Oswald were lielog at the ?ht azure at, addres,. did lie live at any time anywhere else? A - No. While we lived here, he had the same ad. dress that I had 'the whole time. Q - �Did you ever have a broken marrLoge or were you separated? A --�No. � 9- Was he rooming or did he hive � an apartment any. where else? A - No. 9-Were you aiiare that your hulband had, rifle while you were living here?' A-Yes, I knew 'about It, 9- Would you recognize�it if It were shown to you? A-No, sir'. Dymond called for a rifle which had been introduced Into evidence: A court attache sold In was In the sheriff's of- fice and. the, judge ordered It brought into' the courtroom. Meanwhile 'Dymond continued questioning the witness. 9--mig..z You wEgc hag at the Magazine at. ad- dress with Lee Harvey Os- wald, did anyone pick him Up - you or both Of -you? � A-Only. the. Mends. 9-ecin you tell me the type of automobile the Murata had? 'A-No. !Sir 11 ...OA of A-Rurh and her two rhil dren And me and the baby. 9-Did yoo drive graigh throo:h7 I A--1e stopeed ern.ght soineehero. 9-Then yeu got to Dallas the felloising day? -- Yes. � 9-Whett did you go thee A--1 May4;1 at her ler.w in Irving Ste ilein't know then Whether we would hie in Dal. las or in Ireuig. 9-1 take it that Irving is a reibur b of Dallas. Do you know bow many miles it is (root Dallas? A-No. .9-DO YOU KNOW how long it takes to drive to Dal. Las' A-It takes 15-21 minutes; Q-When you arrived at this house, did you go there lo live? A-Yes. 9-1 understand that lee Harvey Oswald eas not eith you at the�time? � A-No. 9-How long after you U. rived at Mrs. Paine's house was It before your husband joined you? A-In about a week or 10 e� days he �shoierd op, I don't c know whether he reime by b ui end we Picked him op or whether he came by bus arid then came direct to the house: I don't remember. 9-Did your husband fell where he had been during the period? 4-IfE WENT TO Nlexien .9-Do you know bow long he was In alexlco? A-lie did not tell me, , At this point, Dymond pkk. ed up the rifle and began questioning her about IL DYMOND THEN showed her a rifle whith had earlier been Introduced as state's ex- titbit la. . .5.-e5n. knew ahreit that, i A--No, sir. . A-yes th.e tutice asked s �-Yce s:r "la,- see�et so. : 9-eer his death, cl,d you, 9.. 'Did Ise ever mention , me . . , ge t AIC0'.!ifly money Iron) honk anythine to you about decor- 1 9-Mrs Pnrter. you ea!, t . 4..Wos the iBt a�so t. aecceo or 64 y�eu receive aor.g his apartment in WI- I, tell us "hat the r'IlyIe 2"."."1 A--II�s� i'r one sate' . I Ls? i you Jos' te:1 u3 16:1-6t ' A-No slr. I yoo dd Q-KEJtit N-ti�L' fo,rsc ea Q-Did Mrs. Paine ever.; A--Itiev were leel�!4i !�,' give him nny curtain rCerls? - I Lie's' rifle - - � - ...,...,.. '''� ' A-No, sir; : 9 -They daln't vet .cro. 04 '. I . '40' Q.-Nleire .was Lee's gun I they? -- � � �.- � - I , A--;Yee, sir. � kepi? i A.--No. , 9 s,�. I.,,. 1����r 6 A.-in:114mo In the garage 1 Q-Do you recall tVer z,e, '. A���1,-r? i,ory ;,........'6, 61 , where the lugosee sirs kepl� log a .role in the eara,:e7 ', I doret rrrh..",..er rr," I 9-Was it wrapped up? 1 " '. A hew k r..,-0-1 a okad, 1 A-I D0NT RENII:ttEER. ' Peeter i! .u...- I know* the baby bed .A 11 toll � ,..,,, oot there and there ono- '� "Y ''''''. rr'' 'I.'. 'I . see.eral paeksaes I dal not... ha'.-e .to er..orp�rre if Lae , ���, pack the lugeaoe so I don t , to stoy in the moor-, i retnernher WrIat was in th.! i 1,1)....e4 ri;set; 7n ..1 ' 9-Can you recall what 9-Now, Mrs. Porter, ahow you a rifle Identified as S1S, -Is this !another to you? A-No, I'm not an expert In rifles. 9-Put, you did testify that you did know that he had a rifle? A-Yes. 9-With reference to the rifle that you say that Lee Harvey Oswald owned, had you seen Diet rifle during the time you lived In New Or. keno? A-Not very close. I had � � AA, no bonk accounts ard eoans. cleatly�ou we've his -per- soeontlessiont! A-li, all that was toe-l- ee:am. I dent lutow %here theory Q-Itere were you living an ue. , 150? That's the dal( r President was killed. A4e1 Ruth Paine in Irv- Q-rhcre were you at the timid the assassination? A-t: the house. Q-ilee did you find out abg: the assassination?, ea-Ruth Paine told me' she helhol an appointment and the cane and we watched trkesse together. Q.IVAere Was Ruth Paine's ear A_itutOteet:homel7te. 9-To your knowledge, did kr.'t IA that car or did the o: leave shortly after the asA,a7s. tion? Q-Dat th Ipo e Cat leave? A No a sel Shortly aft- ,si:s d anuassination the police after that I don't ereskr rho came . arid wed. Q-Nme, Mrs. Porter, after Let Haney Oswald got to Dan. did he live In Ruth Pioe's house? ,.-Yes. sir. Whet I mean Is hc esed to come and visit us. o-iWell, where was he lie- A-Ile was renting In Oak Cle. (A part of Dallas). q-Did you ever see where he was renting? s-No, I never did. g this point Dymond said- he was fir,ished with his ea- rsAlen and the judge de- deed a recess before Alcock ero'd begin his examination, todge Haggerty, directing hi remarks to essistant dire. ore attorney fames L. Al - oak, 01(1 him that during the reoess Dymond bad asked the ecert's permission to question tie witness further. Dymond asked Mrs. Porter If she wanted to correct any testimony she had given kr She answered, "Yes." Sit said she left New Or- leans Sep(. 20, 23 or 24. 9-Iliat was In 1963? A-Yes. A-I DON'T KNOW. Q-Did you see it at arty time on Nov. 21, 1963? A-I don't remember If . saw it then. tune Lee went to bed? A-No, sir. 9-Was It before or after everyone else went to bed! � A-It was after. 9-Were you awake when Ixe went to work the next morning? A-I was awake but I did not, get up, *,cause he teld me to stay in bed. 9-Did he have any curtain rods with him? A-No, sir., Q-DID YOU GIVE him any? ;A-No. Q-Lhcf Mrs. Paine give-him. packages. non saii.J.:/"..,:e 11.1,:oertY 9-1..hd you unwrap a leng 1.:r..-'I it package? Al, oe 4 rr�1 .7:"! a, , ' A-I think they tthe Wier i if 2' did. I lutn66 Let �%;;:ti sop. 9-Did Ise alit ask posed to t,..1%e 4 r: Pe '7: ..y str;....; I"! s tr:p ten h5 . lo..i.e4 Ion one hot ev.'en't : At Coe pion:. Le, o.ea , find one ! )e.-e1 A-led -7,1 !Live &-i-'vi i .1�...g... ii.wit; t.:...1 to Wr..ds to 1..., :n 1.'4.. v...v-r I r'"�'4 .'��:"."-51 '-.5 r�:--0 � station In 1).Elliti' 1 n ...ease A.,. '..' k 4.,,: 6., �,,, A�-Yel, sir One time. 1 ' lied ;eat 4" .'4 e ....1 9 -a' gr hew tee,. a peroot ' �i"'"" l��' 5 '1 P is M" did you !ireglii. I., Ire" A-Alsnot 10 norn:tes , '4 loct ''u '-.'a e. o Q._ eo 3, ,, We-n, , ,,.,,�,,. ,,,,, .,.,... , Fill as !,-, 6. u...,. 6:r �:..,.� yryi so6i bt,,,I,,,i, v.,,,,,,, I t nit '.4�A !to,: �.1 1 .. e A. aty ITI,e,:r fs.!414 *41 1 11A1 t9 l'O lb Vit.... with me. , any curtain rods? 9.7.-Y04 mean Mrs fa :said' .4�---r IA" \ 7 P'"1-�1 A-No, sir, A-Yes Er . 9- 7- 1.-n r; '1 ,...; , . 9-Did h . e ever ask Mrs. I out ii...-n Lee iit.e!.leit. Paine for any curtain redo? co-WILaT DID LEE tall I to me-, (aria A-No, sir, you' A-Rieet tercet I 'e1.: A-He tn1,1 rre not to weery. ,Ite teld fne! everything V.a.:/11 bo all right. 9-Would you f!.(pCflin7 1 A".',VV.V.. 1/1/ yr elri,E A-I Can't esplain. I.I Let Se /I fen.," 9 -Do you recall anytiong i 9-Mrs i"o".er. yni he said? I su..,e l..., ::1 ha 1;4' A-No sir. I In Dal160 Q--Did be admit to you he I A '-'� ' "r had shot President Krene�Iy? I 9-1n4 ynt1 t",er A--No, sir, 1 d,de.t ;,,e em, t r...r.lact Lee I. h :r 114 t6Dolit 910. ; 9-lie didn't volurorer to . .1--Vel, he :et r.r. piorse n other ,o,r, ' A--"o sir. re..., ii 1:ter, i..:t ,.-... : .�� 9-Did he ask you Ogees , Ilta'� nertoor toe ;at., ,I getting hun an attorney? i h'4:, by thet nefre i A-No, sir. I there 9-After this corners:steel 9-In ),,Yler trost!.1 with Ire at. the ponce stA, � an alias' o Lion,' did you see him .again' I A-Wh-51 fl's 1"J IT.'" ' A-No; sir. � I 1 . . 9-Where did you go pd. ' q-i str." 1" bre ing this visit to the jail" Ae-i don't renseniber. 9-Did, you know how be got to wore? A-No, sir. 9-Do you know at ap- proximately what time he left? A-No, I don't remember, 9-At any time the night before, did you see him with any package? A-No, sir. � Q-Do you recall seeing any wropping� paper around Mrs. Paine's house? An No. sir, 9-Did you see Lee go.into the garage at any time! /1/4-�--Yes sir, he went there a few times. 9-In order to enter the garage do you have to go out- side, or through the house? A-T11110LIGH THE house. 9-WhIch door from tho house leads to the garage? A-There were two doers. Cl,.. lf,.111 its.- and emu or tele 9- I lew h t����7e (hit be' ani.tber name' A-',.' t.h..r.t. /A, SINZFY Q-DID YOU GO bark to I Q 9'51 11..A Nita. Paine's noun? I been 'I H Lew' . A-I dim � � X-Ca 7.1:11 ; -knole.��')ai;,'w. to v.i.::WxCt. knzne hm .! a ',face.? shave reit:lar!y? e�ery day, but he 471.� a ...r�ar: /opt'-r, I t.1)7, ycAt *�,o/J )4,.1 are 3!:;! to Ivate �rif-y ()1.*:,:d in it. 1.:'s hire Le the nud.dle e.ctore. eas thee asked by fly. to.e.lac�� 3:: X over Os. n �aw 7-lrs Po-ter. I ask ^ psot-siroots you and us r 17. ,..e7 ss:L ISIS � la 'THY. r.-.ost s tor seen. ?am uith.. 1': ;,(1 to cloth g. wear n.ny o:c.,n ea.rt he .4.1s ;Ze.:',.g out hr was � tr..z..1:-Lad be La'.s.4S C�52- ; s�; sr. I! he had to vs � n ols.ans he s ik � ;!ez21, 0 !le as ilk oas gee !owe. a small so- ,r'sri. tic ,car a kfa.: 01.7k4 rnarly thins d.d he stir VERY MANY. Ile 3',���,4 110 tilt= e..er sitar long \n ^ , hag.' as as it ylnb,,d Lb. ���:1" rest�:e 3c(1.1 rnr:b to 'Oid tee Harvey Ossiald oks 112 up to ti�nlell. rn.1 I kw,. of , ;94 yrti ev,r LI:e the op to CI:1'.on7 � ANNt.*E 171111 baby to C.inosa. e'er task the ay tom hosa at tr yoj 4 Hat. s I 7 os d:d you know or were yo..1 fa nol.ar with a man by the name of Cloy Shaw? A-No. Q-teheei was the flrst time yor heard the nam.e of Clay Shaw' A-When the trial began here: Q-Did �e)a ever hear the r.arne of (lay Bertraord? Q-Did you ever hear the name of Clem Bertrand? A-No. Q-When was the first time that you heard this name? A-When the trial began here � Q-1:1-4 you ever know any- one by the name of Dave Ferrie or David W. Ferne� A-No. Q - To yaw knowledge. Mrs. Porter. did your hushand ; Lee Harvey Oswald Inovi any. I one by the name of Dave Fee- 1 ne or David W..Ferrie! At th-s twint Dymond � chose a pi,o.ure of D'art' �Fers rie.�hich had been introduced � trio evidence by the state. He ; showed it to Mrs. Porter .arid ' asked !nr d looked Sot said it -did. net. � He ai., picked-malls� other pict...zesof Ferrie and showed them to her. She said neither looked farr.11:ar. Q - During the time that you were rnarned to Lee Har- vey Oswald. do you 'know. to your knowledge if he knew a persaa by the name of Sandra atoffett? A - No. Dymond then said he *as j..(;:ra to ra!1 a� list of Flumei .arei he warned her to answer vaather or not to her know!. edge Oswald knew any of the ;>�.rsons. He then re�al a list cf hame-s: Niles Peterson, Layton Mantra, Alvin Beat). boeuf. NtrIvin Coffey. Al Lan- dry and James Lerwatten. Mn. Porter continued to s':ake her head as the names were read. Q - Are any of these marnes fant.l.ar to ysve A - NA. Q 'Is the name Perry /tar:mond Russo familiar to A - Na. Q 'Ft: your knowledge, dal your late �husband know any-one by the name of Perry ; hay-mond Remo or Perry Rus- so' A - Nes Q - T3 your knowledge, � Mrs Porter. what If any oth. er names. did Let HarvetOs- . la,111 A - Yes, Ile signed some Up a pho'..ograph and show-v.:I It to Mrs. Porter asking: Q-Does this loot like the Murat car? A-I can't say. Q-00 YOU REML"�VBER the color el the Murat car? A-No, sir. Q-How many times did you see their automobile? A-Maybe two or three times. Q-To your knowledge did anyone else pick up Lee Har- vey Oswald in an automobile? A-No,. sh Q-While you and Lee Har- vey Oswald were married, did you ever own an automobile? A-No. your knowledge, did be ever ern one? A-No. 1 Q - TO VOLT KNOWL- EDGE. did he ever borrow an automobile? A-No. Q-Was Let Harvey Oswald nonesanunitial or outspoken in his political .views? A-He did not talk about pol Wes in the presence of me. Q-Did you ever know if he had made any speeches? A-He made some kind of a epeech when, he visited some kind of a Catholic seminary here. I di.dn t attend, And then he had sern,..kind of an inter- view on rad o herein New Or. leans. I didn't know if it was political beeause at that time I didn't speak English. Q-When you left New Or- leans, now did you leave, Mrs. Porter? . A-I LEFT wrrn Ruth Paine.- Q-Where did she coMe from when she came bete? A -Irving . Tex. Q-Oid you leave right awry? A-No, she alayeed with us 1;.-r two or three days. Q-Wns she alone at the time! A-She had, her children with her. Twd children. ' Q-1. know yo) ernsW:+1 , be exert, ta.t tcl you give um the approsou et: pee of tier two elaidren? A-At that t me I think they were four and two or five and these. , � Q-What type .ol car did Mrs. Paine hare! . A-A station wagon. A light colored-one. A-In the el44et where be kept his clothes. Q-Did you ever seen him take It off the premises - that Is out of the house or out of the yard! A-I don't remember. Q-To your knowledge, do you know how the rifle got to Texas? A-Lee packed all of his clfAhes and 1 &Al know what he packed. Later, 1 saw II at Ruth Paine's house. Q-When Is the next time you saw the rifle? � A-I saw the rifle when the police arrived. Q-Was that before or after the assassination? A-After. Q-Did you see the rifle between the time you were Biting in New Orleans and after you got to Irving? A-1 might have seen it. I don't remember. Q-Did you see it In Irving, Tex' A--I don't remember. Q-,Did you ever know Ike Harvey Oswald to have any large .sums of morty? A-so. Q-41ave you ever seen him with a large roll of money? A-No. � Q-What is the most money Q-WHEN YOU AND the kit, who left with you? room have you ever seen this man, Mr. Shaw, before! A-No, today was the first time I ever saw that man. Q-Did you ever receive any mall at your apartment on Magazine at. addressed to Clay Shaw or with the return address of Clay Shaw on It? A-No. Q-Did you ever receive any telegrams from Clay Shaw? A-No. Q-Did you ever receive any telephone calls from Clay Shaw? A-No. MRS. PORTER WAS then cross-examined by Alcock. Q-Mrs. Porter, can you tell me what refreshed your mem- ory during recess to cause you to change your teeth mony from August, 190. to September of lfG3 as the date you loft New Orleans? The witness exolained she was expecting a baby at the time and the child was born in O,-ter, She said she knew the baby was born nearer to ohen she left New Orleans, Q-Did you talk to anyone daring recess? A-Yes, I spoke to Mr. Shaw. She then turned to Dymond he ever gave you? and said. "This attorney A-A dollar. here." She had the names Q-Did you know that he confused. ever had any large sums of Alcock resumed cress7ex. money in the house? &mina! inn. never looked In his Q-Did you have occieion wallet or any of his personal to see Lee the night before effects. the assassination? Q-Who did the grocery A-/ saw him the next day shopping? In jail. A-Nell, both of us, but he paid the bilis and took care . Q-NO. DID you see him of the money. :he mght before-that would Q-Who paid the rent? te a Thursday evening? A-He did. Q-Did he keep the rent , current or did he ever get behind on the rent? . � A-I think he awed two Wevks' rent when we I-It New Orleans. ci-Did you ever have to Make the rent good! A-Just that two weeks, I think: I'm mit sure. I think I paid it after. all of this happened. Q-You mean utter the al- bibninill ion" � , A-Yes, I think I cleared it up after the assassination. 9-During your shopping trips, did you have to be care- ful or could you buy every- thing you wanted." A-1 had to be very care- ful. Q-To your knowledge, did Ike Harvey Oswald ever have a bank account? A-Yes, he came to the house. Q-Do you recall what time be arrived A-Some time after work. Q -Was this usual for him to visit you on a Thursday? A-No. sir. It was not. He noted on wockends. � Lee go. out that night n A- .Nn, cir, he spent all 1-1'.(J'ng at ?eerie, C., Du you rerall what he I tbi" /IS t� ga7ago. i Libilr.h where YOU went. th Q-Do you recall tenor lag Q---Is that in Dallas? i A -I &A.:I rr:osn...: a time he Ci spent in e garage? A-Yea, sir. 4-Cil j loe.g. A-About three minutes. I Q-Do you recall wtio took ', d ?';'" it"' in 1 was busy with I you those? 10.ot/rived 'ea rag the baby. I . .. Q-Did you see him bring 1 -In anything from the garage? I A-No, sir. A-No. sir. I ,s_we went in s,, I Paw, tv,....���� -.�����? � ALCOCK THEN told the wit- � nem he understrexl that due, Ing her tostirnony under dl- rect examination she said she had seen the rifle, again. o-when aid you next see � the rifle? A-I don't recall the date. but it was the date they I, showed it to me at the War' ren Commission. Alcock then :asked if she had I accompanied the police into the garage after the assassi- nation. A-NO, SIR. 9-Did he show you cur- tain rods? 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