QADAFI OFF THE RECORD

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP05-01559R000400380025-7
• Release Decision: RIPPUB
• Original Classification: S
• Document Page Count: 3
• Document Creation Date: December 22, 2016
• Document Release Date: January 23, 2012
• Sequence Number: 25
• Publication Date: December 13, 1979
• Content Type: CABLE

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E.O. 12065; XDS?i DECEMBER 11~ 1989 (EAGLETON, WILLIAM L.) OR-M
TAGS; PERP~ PINSr LYr US- XF
SUBJECT: (S) QADHAFI OFF THE RECORD
1. (S? ENTIRE TEXT.)
2 .YOUSSEF IBRAHIM OF THE NEW YORK TIMES WHO INTERVIEWED QADHAFI
EARLY DECEMBER 10, HAS SHARED WITH US IN STRICT CONFIDENCE SOME OF TH
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REMARKS MADE BY QADHAFI AFTER THE RECORDING MACHINES WERE TURNED OFF.
AS AN ARAB (EGYPTIAN)?AMERICAN, IBRAHIM DEVELOPED AN EXCELLENT RAPPOR
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W.1TH QADHAFI, wH0 ME FOUND "IMPRESSIVE." INDISCRETIONS WERE THE RESU
3. ON THE AMERICAN EMBASSY. QADHAFI TOLD IBRAHIM HE HAD "NO INTENTIO
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OF PAYING FOR ANY OF THE DAMAGES. HE ASKED IBRAHIM HOW BAD THE DAMAG
ES
WERE AND WAS TOLD "PRETTY BAD." (WE HAD TAKEN IBRAHIM ON A TOUR OF
THE EMBASSY.) IN REPLY TO QADHAFI'S QUESTION, IBRAHIM ESTIMATED THE
COST OF THE DAMAGE AT $200,000 (THIS MAY BE A BIT ?? BUT NOT MUCH a L
OW).
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OADHAFI SAID: "THE AMERICANS HAVE PLENTY OF MONEYS THEY CAN AFFORD
IT."
4. ON IRAN ANO OOTBZADEH. BECAUSE OF IBRAHIM'S BACKROUND ON-IRAN
(FROM WHICH HE WAS EXPELLED) OADHAFI SPENT A HALF-HOUR ASKING
QUESTIONS IN WHICH HE REVEALED HIS OWN CONFUSION ABOUT VARIOUS FAC-
TIONS AND PERSONALITIES. OADHAFI WAS PARTICULARLY CONCERNED BY
OOTBZADEH'5 LACK~OF GRATITUDE. HE PERSONALLY HAD GIVEN OOTBZADEH
HUNDREDS OFTMOUSANDSOF DOLLARS BEFORE THE REVOLUTION. THEN QOTBZADEH
HAD TURNED AGAINST LIBYA (BACAUSE OF THE DISAPPEARANCE OF THE LEBANES
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I M MUSH AL-SADR). HE ASKED WHETHER IBRAHIM COULD EXPOSE ~OTBZADEH~
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ACHERY. IBRAHIM ASKED WHETHER HE COULD DUOTE OADHAFI AND WAS TOLD
"N'0." HE THEN ASKED IF OADHAFI HAD RECEIPTS. REPLY: "THERE WERE N0
RECEIPTS THESE WERE REVOLUTIONARY CONTRIBUTIONS." OADHAFI ALSO
MADE SOME REMARKS TO THE EFFECT THAT KHOMEINI WAS OLD AND OUT OF TOUC
H.
(COMMENT: AS FAR AS WE KNOW THERE HAS BEEN NO FORWARD MOVEMENT ON
ESTABLISHING DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS BETWEEN LIBYA AND IRAN EVEN THOUGH
LIBYA
IS PERHAPS IRAN~S MOST UNCONDITIONAL AND OUTSPOKEN;..ALLY,.)~~ t,F, .;.., ..~,,,,.
5. ON SADAT. ~ADHAFI SEEMED CONFIDENT THATo SADAT~,S~ DAYS,;,WERE NUMEiER.~
ED. ._
NEVERTHELESS, HE WANTED IBRAHIM~S OPINION AND QUERIED HIM ON THE VIEW
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OF USTAFA AMIN AND HAYKAL (BOTH OF WHOM WOULD LIKE TO SEE SADAT OUT
BU~O NOT HAVE TIMETABLE.)
6. SAUDIS. OADHAFI MADE SEVERAL CRITICAL COMMENTS ABOUT KING KHALID
AND OTHERS IN THE SAUDI LEADERSHIP.
7. ON THE U.S. AND ARABwAMERICANS. ~ADHAFI DISPLAYED HIS USUAL FASC
NATION WITH AMERICA (AS WELL AS ANGER AT U.S. POLICIES). HE PARTICUL
ARLY
WANTED TO KNOW HOW LIFE WAS FOR PERSONS OF ARAB .ORIGIN ANO WONDERED ,
WHY HE MAD BEEN UNABLE TO ENTICE ARAB~AMERICANS TO COME TO WORK IN LI
BYA.
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IBRAHIM REPLIED THAT NO ONE WHO HAD LIVED IN AMERICA WANTED
TO RETURN TO ARAB BUREAUCRACY AND STAGNATION. FURTHERMORE, IN AME:RIC
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HE WAS FREE TO WRITE WHATEVER HE WANTED.
8. IN YOUSSEF IBRAHIM'S PRESENCE OADHAFI ORDERED PRESS COUNSELOR
IB~IM JAAD TO SEND A FAVORABLE REPLY TO BARBRA WALTERS~ REQUESTS TO
IN VIEWTHE
COLONEL.
EAGLETON
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