INTERVIEW WITH QADHAFI

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP05-01559R000400390011-1
• Release Decision: RIPPUB
• Original Classification: C
• Document Page Count: 3
• Document Creation Date: December 22, 2016
• Document Release Date: January 31, 2012
• Sequence Number: 11
• Publication Date: December 7, 1981
• Content Type: CABLE

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SUBJECT: INTERVIEW WI
1, (U) SUMMARY. IN A OECE-MBER 6 FRONT-PAGE INTERVIEW
DATELINED TRIPOLI IN THE INFLUENTIAL CENTRIST DAILY
"CORRIERE DELLA SEPA", LIBYAN LEADER OADHAFI EXPRESSES
HIS VIEWS OF THE GULF OF SIDRA INCIDENT, DIALOGUE WITH
THE U.S., LIBYAN TIES TO INTERNATICPAL_ TERRORISM! MFO,
ITALO-LIBYAN RELATIONS, EGYPTIAN PRESIDENT W..UBARAK
CAMP DAVID AND THE FAHD PLAN. FOLLOWING ARE PRECIS OF
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OAOHAFI'S VIEWS ON THESE ISSUES. END SUMMARY.
AMERICAN ACCUSATIONS ARE PROPAGANDISTIC AND ARE BASED ON
A DESIRE TO UNDERMINE MY REGIME. THE AMERICANS THE Mm
SELVES HAVE NOT ABANDONED THEIR PLANS TO ELIMINATE ME.
WE HAVE ALWAYS DISTINGUISHED BETWEEN LIBERATION MOVEMENTSs
LIKE THE PLO. AND TERRORIST MOVEMENTS, LIKE THE RED
BRIGADES, AND THE GERMAN RAF. ECONOMIC DIFFICULTIES
ARE PUTTING CONSTRAINTS ON OUR ASSISTANCE TO LIBERATION
MOVEMENTS.
WE HAVE NO FAITH IN AMERICA AND IN THE REAGAN
GOVERNMENT. THE INCIDENT IN THE SIDRA SKIES. OUR SKIES.
AND THE RECENT MANOEUVRES. ARE THEIR MOST RECENT PROVOCA-
TIONS. DURING THE RECENT VISIT TO TRIPOLI OF THE
YUGOSLAVIAN PRESIDENT, HE MADE NO PROPOSAL TO MEDIATE
BETWEEN US AND THE U.S.; ANYWAY WE WOULD HAVE REFUSED
SUCH A PROPOSAL HAD IT BEEN MADE, SINCE THERE IS NO
POSSIBILITY OF DIALOGUE BETWEEN US. I NEVER SAID THAT WE
WOULD DIRECTLY ENTER THE WARSAW PACT, BUT IF NECESSARY
WE WILL HAVE TO RECONSIDER OUR NON-ALIGNED POSITION.
++ LIBYAN-ITALIAN RELATI'ONSI THERE IS NO
DETERIORATION IN ITALIAN-LIBYAN?.RELA.TIONSi IF ITALY
WANTED, IT COULD BECOME THE PRIVILEGED WESTERN PARTNER
OF TRIPOLI. AS REGARDS NATO'S BASES IN ITALY, THE GREAT
MAJORITY OF ITALIANS ARE OPPOSED, SINCE THEY CONSTITUTE
A SYMBOL OF VASSALDOM. A VISIT TO ITALY ON MY PART
WOULD BE USEFUL AND THE ONLY OPPOSITION TO IT COMES
FROM THE AMERICANS THEMSELVES. BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMIC
SITUATION. THERE ARE DELAYS IN OUR PAYMENTS TO ITALIAN
FIRMS FOR COMMERCIAL PURCHASES. BUT EVERYTHING WILL BE
STRAIGHTENED OUT IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
-- MFO: NOBODY UNDERSTANDS WHY MILITARY FORCES
SHOULD BE SENT INTO THE SINAI. THEY COULD WINO UP BEING
USED IN A BAD WAY.
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-- EGYPTIAN PRESIDENT MUBARAKI AS FAR AS
MUSAPAK IS CONCERNED, THERE IS NOTHING NOTEWORTHY'IN HIS
INITIAL ACTS-EXCEPT FOR A CERTAIN UNDERSTANDING OF
NASSERITES AND OF INTERNAL EGYPTIAN OPPOSITION. WE
WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE.
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AVID AND AS SUCH IS STILLBORN.
? ?? CHAD: WE LEFT CHAD OF OUR OWN WILL BECAUSE
WE WENT THERE NOT AS COLONIZERS, BUT AS FRIENDS. OUR
ASSISTANCE TO OUR CHADIAN BROTHERS WAS UNDERSTOOD AND
APPROVED BY ALL INFORMED LIBYANS, WHO KNOW WHEN FORCE
HAS TO BE USED,
ww THE INTERNAL LIBYAN SITUATIONS THERE APE G00D
AND BAD TRADITIONS THAT HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED. THE
DISMANTLING OF THE TRIPOLI SOUK WAS NECESSARY, BECAUSE
IT WAS A PLACE OF PASSIVITY, UNPPODUCTIVITY AND PARASITISM.
3. (LOU) COMMENT: THE INTERVIEW WAS CONDUCTED BY MIND
VIGNOLO, WHOSE QUESTIONS WERE COUCHED IN SUCH A WAY AS
TO PROVIDE AN ALMOST SYMPATHETIC PLATFORM FOP OADHAFI?S
WELL-KNOWN THESES. IN A BRIEF EDITORIAL BY THE SAME
JOURNALIST ATTACHED TO THE IN'TERVIEt', HE EXPOUNDS
ON THE FASCINATION WITH WHICH THE LIBYAN STUDENTS LISTENED
TO QADHAFI`S INTERVIEW (IT WAS CONDUCTED BEFORE AN
AUDIENCE OF STUDENTS). VIGNOLO NOTES THAT AT THE ENn OF
THE INTERVIEW, QADHAFI HANDED HIM AN ENGLISH TRANSLATION
OF HEINRICH VON KLEISTJS "PRINCE OF HOMBURG", IN WHICH
WAS UNDERLINED THE FOLLOWING SENTENCE. "THE FREE MAN
CAPABLE OF 'REFLECTION DOES NOT STAY vHERE FATE HAS PLACED
HIM. HE KNOWS THAT HE CAN RISE ABOVE HIS OWN DESTINY
AND THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO CONTROL FATE."
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