AL-QADHDHAFI LECTURES UNIVERSITY STUDENTS 21 JUN

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1958 GAIT 21 Jun 87
["Lecture" by Colonel Mu`ammar al-Qadhdhafi to students at
unidentified Libyan university on 21 June -recorded]
[Excerpts] [passage omitted] Yesterday's lecture was a resume of
the preceding one. Therefore, it became a lecture in itself, and
today we shall talk about its review. It was, however, a resume
of the lecture that preceded it -the one we delivered at the end
of Ramadan.
The first point is that there is a real danger to the continued
existence of the Arabs; the very Arabs who are the subject of this
catastrophe are apathetic themselves. I feel that if the Arab
destiny comes to an end, then Africa's progressive and Islamic
peoples, as well'as other Muslims around the Arab homeland,
will [word indistinct]. Even if the Arabs are now at war with
certain other countries -- such as Iran and Iraq and Turkey, since
NATO is in Turkey --which are hostile to the Arabs; the war in
Chad; Ethiopia, which has problems with Sudan and is at war
with Somalia, despite the existence of problems between the
Arabs and their Muslim and non-Muslim neighbors, the end of
the Arabs will lead to the end of these states too.
If the Arabs come to an end, then so will Iran, since the Arabs
constitute a shield and a very important balance for the survival
of the Iranian state. Iran should not believe that it would remain
free and on the map were the Arab nation to disappear. The same
can be said of Ethiopia - it would disappear if the Arab nation
disappeared. As a result, Ethiopia, Iran, and possibly Turkey, as
well as a group of small African states -particularly those that
are predominantly Islamic -would disappear if the Arab nation
disappears. What I mean to say is that there is a real danger but
no one seems to be aware of it. An attempt is being made to
preoccupy the Arabs and to deceive them so that they will not be
aware of this catastrophe. [passage omitted]
The current Arab rulers and regimes in the Arab homeland are
in a conspiracy with their masters, who want to seize and
dominate this homeland. The allegations that Italy will not
return to Libya, or the French to Algeria, or the British to Egypt
and Sudan should not be believed. You should never believe such
talk. The struggle between us and them continues. How many
times have we fought battles against them during the last 100,
200, or 300 years, and how many times have we found ourselves
fighting them again? Look at the struggle between Carthage,
which was regarded as the Arab capital of the time on the
Mediterranean's southern shore, and Rome, the capital of the
Romans, on the other shore. The battles between them went on
for hundreds of years. There may be no fighting for 100 years -
that is to say, three generations without war -only for the
fighting to resume once again after that. The fighting continued
until Rome was able to capture Carthage and demolish it.
However, the fighting began again and Rome once again
returned andoccupied Libya. Its plan was to occupy Carthage,
which is now Tunis, once again. However, it had been captured
by the French. Italy had its eye on the entire region -Tunisia
and Libya. It intended to seize North Africa down to Ethiopia
and Somalia. In fact, it reached this. area. But the French and
the British took the parts that they wanted. Here it is on the map
- Italy, "the nearest state to this area - to Tunisia; it is the
closest European country.
The European industrial states now constitute a real danger to
the underdeveloped world. The Arab homeland will face the first
danger in the future, as these industrial countries will invade and
occupy it in order to make it a consumer market for their goods
and to procure the raw materials they need to produce them.
Theywill occupy the Arab homeland in order to release the
pressure there. Even where tourism is concerned, the Europeans
need the sun and these ocean shores; that is to say, the Ewopeans
need to oceupy these areas even for recreation. They are prepar-
ing to dojust that. The occupation is inevitable. They plan to keep
this homeland backward. They believe that the Arabs should not
be allowed to grow powerful or their region to become a high
pressure area.
They hope to expand at the expense of the Arab homeland. What
is the answer? Now that we have outlined the problem, which is
truly serious, that is what we intend to discuss today. This
problem allowed us to understand why it is impossible for indus-
tries to beestablished in the Arab homeland. It also permitted us
to understand why trivial rulers have succeeded and lived long
lives in the Arab homeland, why very comical regimes were
created there, why revolutions were aborted, and why serious
forces disappeared. In addition, it let us know the secret behind
the resolve to strike at the Jamahiriyah or the Palestinian resis-
tance or Syria, and so on, even the Iran-Iraq war, the conflict in
Chad, and southern Sudan. We understand the reason behind
them all. Colonialism may be industrial colonialism now, but it
will use military means to attain its industrial aims.
If we follow European military activity, we will see how inter-
ested the Europeans are, as though World War I or World War
II were still going on. If you follow the joint military exercises
staged by the European powers and the United States around the
world, you would think that war would break out tomorrow, or
that we were in the middle of such a conflict. Their official
political activity is totally different from the popular climate
prevailing in those countries: such as human rights, peace,
democracy, humanity, and civilization. These are all empty
words. They are military states preparing themselves daily by
having a fearsome military force. They carry out training that
costs millions; they hold maneuvers. They continue their prep-
arations. They consider themselves at war, meaning that they
should attack those areas where there is a vacuum, such as the
Arab homeland. In 100 years at the latest, the world map will
definitely be different. This is due to climatic reasons, and then
to political and military ones. If we talk about 100 years, someone
may say that this is a long time. What do you mean by a long
time? Hundreds of years Gave passed since the Crusades, the
Arabs' departure from Andalusia, and so on. [passage omitted]
The first step in a solution which, despite the fact that it contra-
dicts anumber of requirements, is essential for survival is to
increase the Arab homeland's population. The Arab race should
grow and reach the 1 billion mark as sown as passible. Naturally,
I know that this runs counter to wealth, the economy, and
prosperity. However, the prosperous Life and the economy that
we are talking about will, with a population of 150 million, lead
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to our colonization. Then we will live an unhappy life and be the
slaves of the colonialists. We have no alternative but to ensure a
limitless population for the Arab homeland. All family planning
measures currently in force in the Arab countries should be
abolished. After all, these measures came to us from Europe,
which occupies a small area with states desiring a fixed pop-
ulation. However, we are facing danger. The number of Arabs
should be 1 billion, just like China. [passage omitted] All mea-
sures on family planning in the Arab homeland should be
revoked. The political view should overcome the economic view.
Decisions should be made in the Arab homeland to fight any
measure on family planning. All pharmacies and doctors prac-
ticing family planning should be banned. [passage omitted] We
should reach the billion mark quickly; otherwise, the Arab nation
will come to an end. The Arabs as a race will wind up like the
Red Indians. They will become a scattered and homeless people,
with some living in Turkey, and others in Iran, Africa, and soon.
[passage omitted]
The fertile area in the Arab homeland is now in southern Sudan.
This is the only part of the Arab homeland with summer rains
and rivers. This is in addition to the southern part of the Arabian
Peninsula, where there is also summer rainfall. Rains fall on the
southern part of the Arabian peninsula -Yemen and some
sections of Saudi Arabia. However, summer rainfall there is
sparse.
The southern Sudan is the most fertile area in the Arab home-
land. This is because the area falls under the plan we spoke of.
At the same time, the conflict proves the theory that the goal is
to capture the Arab homeland's water resources and deprive the
Arab race of water. When I addressed the Sudanese rev-
olutionarycommittees, Itold them that the word Anyanya -the
movement which was established under the name of Anyanya I
or Anyanya II, and may now even be Anyanya III -refers to a
poisonous insect. In short, they are planting a poisonous insect in
the south of the Arab homeland so that this bug will eat it. The
name Anyanya was chosen for its meaning. I told them that as
long as the southern Sudan is the most fertile part of the Arab
homeland, it will be of interest to all Arabs and should not be
compromised. In his political theory, Garang claims that he
wants to liberate all of the Sudan in order to establish a rev-
olutionary progressive country. He denies that he is a secession-
ist. But Anyanya I and Anyanya II are secessionist movements
seeking to split off southern Sudan. What we want is to talk about
the vitality of this area without going into great detail, and,
ultimately, to be able to explain the nature of the conflict going
on there.
We did the same thing with the clash in the Syrian area, which
they call the Middle East, between the Israelis and the
Americanson one side, and the Arabs on the other. The Syrian
area is vital, and the Israelis and the Americans want to expel
the Arabs from it, for it has a network of rivers, which we have
discussed. Some of these rivers have been captured by the Israe-
lis. We said that we should not believe what they say -that the
conflict is a fight against terrorists, and so on. Their goal is to
capture water resources and deny them to the Arabs. Therefore,
southern Sudan should be secured and relied upon, because it is
an area which can support a large population.
The other point is that we should take this area into close
consideration -Ethiopia, and the area it comprises. We have
already said that if the Arab homeland comes to an end, then
Ethiopia will come to an end. All those nations -Uganda,
Kenya, Chad, Niger, Mali, Senegal, and a number of others,
especially those with Muslims among their people -will be
finished. If the Arab homeland and the Arabs come to an end,
these states may be finished as well. They will have no one to
defend them; they will have no support. The gap will be filled by
hostile forces. Among the states that will beaffected -the areas
that will be affected -for good or ill by conditions in the Arab
homeland will be Ethiopia. As we can see on the map, Ethiopia
is surrounded by Arab countries. [Al-Qadhdhafi points to map]
This is Somalia, to the south and east of Ethiopia, and this is
Djibouti, to the north or northwest. There is a movement for the
liberation of Eritrea. This is Eritrea; the people of Eritrea are
considered to be Arabs and many Arab states help them for this
reason. But the Arab race is not present solely in Eritrea. The
Arabs are found throughout Ethiopia.
Therefore, Ethiopia or Abyssinia - I am referring to the word
-means mixed races; this shows that it has mixed races. Arab
migrants from Yemen settled there in ancient times. It could
have been a country like the Sudan or Somalia, an Arab state.
But it appears that the presence of an Amharic race led to the
creation of this state. There are Arabs in every province of
Ethiopia. With Eritrea in the area, the whole of northern Ethi-
opia appears to be Arab. Ethiopia is surrounded by Arabs. You
have also heard about the movement that sought to detach the
Ogaden. This is the Ogaden, the entire province in which there
was a movement that saw itself as Somali. Somalia is an Arab
state. Here is the Sudan - it is Arab. Here is Somalia, which is
also Arab. See how Ethiopia is surrounded by Arabs. What I
mean to say is that the situation is not ordinary; relations with
Ethiopia are not like relations with Iran; there is no separation.
Ethiopia is located in the middle of the Arab homeland. Thus, it
is affected by the situation. Haile Selassie used to harrass Arab
nationalism. The Americans used him against these areas where
there were Arabs, such as Bab al-Mandib, and so on.
However, the answer is not hostility toward Ethiopia or Ethiopian
hostility toward the Arabs. Ethiopia should not encourage any
secessionist movements in southern Sudan, Somalia, or anywhere
else, and the Arabs should do the same. Otherwise, hostility will
be mutual. This would lead to a change in the entire map.
Ethiopia may be divided; Somalia and southern Sudan may be
divided. After all, there are secessionist or revolutionary move-
ments -call them what you will - in these countries. They are
two sides of the coin. The Ethiopian highlands are very rich in
water; it rains all the time, and there are many rivers and lakes.
This area can support a large population. Thus, it is inevitable
that we would think to exploit the area from Somalia to Ethiopia
to Sudan and the 1Vile Valley from the Arab and Ethiopian points
of view. The area should be exploited in the interests of mankind
there.
Do you understand? The area extending from Somalia to Sudan
through Ethiopia is a vital part of the Arab world. The future of
Ethiopians and Arabs in this area should be secured, and we are
placing great hopes on this. This area is in addition to the region
where they planted the Israelis -the Syrian coast. It is an area
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with rainfall and rivers; rivers also originate in this area. You can
see that this is the only Arab area where rivers originate; it is the
Syria area. They planted the Israelis there. Their goal is to
deprive the Arabs of this vital region.
Therefore, it is inevitable that we should liberate Palestine and
put an end to the Zionist entity, the sponge they have placed in
this area to absorb the waters of this vital zone. The Tigris and
Euphrates originate in Turkey; this means the rains fall on
Anatolia and form these two rivers. The. Nile originates in the
African lakes and southern Sudan. But the Syrian area -the
Yarmuk, Litani, Asi, and Jordan Rivers - is the only area which
has rivers drawn from Arab sources. The West is determined that
their cat's-paw and bridgehead, which is called Israel, should
take this area and kill the Arabs there; deliberate, premeditated
mass murder with aircraft, gas, tanks, and so on. They have
decided to kill the Arabs in the Syrian area in order to take that
rich place from them. After all, it is an artery that must be denied
to the Arab nation. One half of the fertile crescent is the Syrian
area; the other half is Iraq. Together they form the shape of a
crescent. They want to deprive the Arabs of the fertile crescent.
They may get Turkey to stop the flow of the Tigris and Euphra-
tes. There are problems with this, especially where the Euphrates
is concerned, between Syria and Turkey. Turkey may stop the
flow of these waters. `Abd al-Nasir tried to build a dam on the
Euphrates during the era of unity between Egypt and Syria.
[Unidentified person reminds Al-Qadhdhafl that there is a dam
on the Euphrates in Turkey] Yes, yes, there is a dam in Turkey
limiting the flow of the Euphrates. I know that there is a serious
problem between Syria and Turkey over limits onthe flow of
water from its sources.
The other political point is that we should transform our nation
into a state, not vice versa. Somalia is a state; Djibouti, which
you can only see under the microscope, is a state; here is Yemen,
with its two parts; this is where the donkeys are tied up. [AI-
Qadhdhafi points to Oman on the map] Here are the dwarf states
of the Gulf and here are the others. They are all states, and we
see them in terms of a nation; this kills the nation. If states have
become an expression of a nation, that kills the nation. Why?
Because the state, and not the nation, becomes the focus of
attention. This means that Somalia will look after itself and
another state will be interested in itself; one will go to the East
and another will go to the West; this one will become a lackey;
this one will opppose the other; and soon. The nation will be torn
asunder.
The expression of a nation in terms of states is at the expense of
the nation. After all, these states will replace the nation; there
will be enthusiasm and zeal for the state and not for the nation.
Now we are raising the flag and talking enthusiastically about
pan-Arabism and the need to defend it. However, these are but
words. Each one of us is enthusiastic about his own country. One
is enthusiastic about his country's government, and' another
about his country's his president or monarchy. One follows
France and one follows the United States. They express the
nation in terms of states, and herein lies the danger. The nation
should be turned into a state. This point is very important
politically, and you should be aware of it. Iran is a nation and a
state; the Israelis have a state and a nation; Turkey is a state and
a nation; maybe Ethiopia is a state and nation as well. The
Americans, the Italians, and the others are all states and nations.
France is a state and nation. Why did they divide Germany?
They want to put an end to this idea. They create states instead
of a nation -West Germany, East Germany, Federal Germany,
Democratic Germany -everyone calls them something differ-
ent.
After World War II, the four major powers wanted to put an end
to German efficiency so that it would no longer be a power and
put them on the spot. They placed Berlin under the mandate of
the four major powers and divided Germany. Those who divided
Germany have divided the Arab homeland. I hate the word
Libyan. Call me whatever you like, but do not call me Libyan.
The word Libyan is the same as Mauritanian, Qatari, Iraqi -
particularly since the word Libyan was created by the Italians;
they called us Libyans. They gave us another identity, not an
Arab one. We are not Libyans; my father, grandfather, and
grandmother were not Libyans. Libyans are Arabs. [passage
omitted]
The other point is the desert, which separates Arabs from Afri-
cans. The Arab homeland may be joined with other areas, but
not through Ethiopia, Somalia, and Sudan. Beyond that is desert,
and the desert will be of no value if this need -the need for the
Arabs and Africans to come together - is not stressed. We
should remove the enmity which the West has planted in the
minds of black Africans toward their Arab brothers. The desert
will act as a barrier. You know that both France and the United
States are in Chad. There should be a wall preventing both the
French and the Americans from reaching Libya.
This is southern Algeria; this is southern Libya; this area here is
southeast Mauritania. As long as there is no water near here,
there is no need to forge links with this region. On the contrary,
it should be made a barrier to protect the Arab homeland until
the latter grows strong. Naturally, this does not prevent us from
extending a helping hand to our brothers in Africa. We mean the
colonialists, who may be in the African countries and who apply
pressure on the Arab homeland from the south, just as they are
doing from the north and through the Israelis from the northeast.
One problem will remain -the problem of the Tibesti area. This
is the only area located right in the heart of the great Sahara.
The Tibesti will always remain a problem. Why? Because when
you separate Libya from Chad, Algeria from Niger, and Libya
from Niger, you may find adesert -the great Sahara -
separating them until we reach the Niger River -here it is on
the map -and the Chari River in Chad and Lake Chad, where
summer rain falls. The rest of the area is desert and nothing but
desert until you reach the Arab countries to the north. This desert
can remain a barrier. However, right in the heart of the Sahara
we see Tibesti - here it is on the map. In fact, Tibesti is not Arab
so that we can say it could join Libya. However, it is not African
right in deepest Africa - in the rainy area beyond the Sahara.
Tibesti is situated in the middle of the great Sahara. It will
remain a problem that you should solve - to join Libya or
disappear totally. All such solutions are possible. It will remain
a problem, just like Ethiopia as far as the Arabs are concerned.
Colonialism is trying to implant enmity but we want unity -
Ethiopia to unite with the Arabs, and the people of Tibesti to
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unite with the Libyans. This is the. peaceful and appropriate
solution that benefits both sides. Otherwise the desert barrier
should be extended to prevent its exploitation.
We said that without a miracle, the future of the Arab nation
will be in jeopardy. What miracle will make us breathe easy and
lead us to believe that we have saved our very being? The miracle
will not happen just like that; it is a scientific miracle requiring
concentrated Arab efforts. I mean financial and human invest-
ment. Itrequires willpower. This may produce the miracle -the
control of an energy source - solar or atomic energy. Oil is also
considered energy, but it is limited. Solar and atomic energy,
though, are permanent; the sun and the atom. The miracle will
happen if we succeed one day and overcome the problem of
harnessing solar or atomic energy.
This will lead to the desalination of seawater, making the sea a
source of life. For your information, the desalination process has
made little progress in the world, as the industrial states are the
ones engaged in its research, and they have no need to purify
seawater. They have fresh water resources -rivers, rain, and
snow. Thus, no one is working to convert seawater into fresh
water for use in agriculture. Because we are ignorant, we think
that it is impossible to turn seawater into fresh water except with
the known limitations by using the hydroelectric stations we buy
from Europe. There is a desalination plant in Ajdabiya for the
townspeople. However, they moved there without any planning.
There is also a desalination plant in Tobruk, where there is no
water and it is exposed to~rain. There are are small desalination
plants in Zuwarah, Surt, and so on. These plants are power
stations built on the seashore; they desalinate seawater in quan-
tities sufficient for drinking -small quantities for drinking but
at high cost. [passage omitted]
The miracle will occur when we control solar and atomic energy.
Consequently, a great effort should be made in education, invest-
ment, and everything else in the Arab homeland to achieve the
control of atomic and solar energy. We can provide infinite
possibilties for creating a source of life in the Arab homeland by
utilizing the atom. This also applies to solar energy.
My aim is to progress toward the sea as long as there is no rain
and no snow. One must move toward the sea: the Atlantic, the
Mediterranean, the Red Sea, and the Arabian Gulf, as well as
the Arabian Sea in the Arabian peninsula. These must all be
looked upon as sources of life. However, one must control the
energy we use in order to exploit this seawater.
All the sciences, knowledge, and programs followed in the Arab
homeland seem abusrd as long as the homeland is in this bad
situation, with a worsening future yet with these possibilities that
can be exploited to save this homeland from darkness. How can
all the studies, research, and efforts be channeled to realize this
miracle: the control of energy?
These are (?not) marginal issues. Atomic energy is (?something)
they use to intimidate us even more. You must not make atomic
energy. It is forbidden to run electricity from it. You must not
make the atom bomb. They make atom bombs daily; why should
we not do likewise? The Arabs must possess the atomic bomb to
defend themselves until their numbers reach one billion, until
they learn to desalinate seawater, and until they liberate Pal-
estine. We undertake not to drop the atomic bomb on any state
around us, but we must possess it. [passage indistinct] The hell
with them and with their peace and (?alliance)! They say: You
are criminals, warmongers, and terrorists. [passage indistinct)
When I spoke to the Chinese leader about industry, I asked him
how China, which is poor, had managed to attain the atomic
bomb. China is very poor. However, the Chinese today, who can
only afford a donkey, are respected by the American, who flies
F-111's because he cannot [words indistinct]. The Arab rides in
a Cadillac, yet the American comes along and spits at him and
beats him with whatever is handy. What about this? The Chinese
who rides a donkey is respected because his nation is (?strong)
and possesses the H-bomb. When I asked the Chinese leader why,
he replied: We do not want to develop the atomic bomb, nor
do we want atom bombs. I know my country is poor, but we want
to show those who possess nuclear weapons that if there is a game
using atomic bombs, China can play it. Therefore, they should
respect China. (?If they were to use atom bombs) on China, half
the country would be killed. We wanted to show them that if they
are going to play games with this weapon, they cannot play it
against China.
The Arabs should adopt the same logic. If there is going to be a
game using atomic bombs, then it should not be played against
the Arab nation. The Arabs should have it, but we undertake not
to drop it on anyone. However, if someone is going to drop one
on us, or if someone is going to threaten our existence and
independence even without the use of anatomic weapon, then we
should drop it on them. This is an essential defensive weapon. We
should destroy the myth and fear of talking about the atom bomb.
If you talk about an atom bomb for military purposes, you
automatically become a criminal. They themselves are building
bombs every day; they develop bombs and arm outer space. But
when it comes to us, they say: You must keep silent; you must
not speak. They have even organized a concentrated propaganda
campaign against a power station. How dare you build an atomic
power station?! They (?opposed it); they (?fought against) Libya
having one. They put Libya 4-6 years away from having one.
Why? They said that it was because an atomic power station built
with Soviet cooperation might lead to the manufacture of an
atom bomb. They (?started) to increase the pressure. Why do the
Arabs not possess the right to build an atom bomb?
We should be like the Chinese -poor and riding donkeys but
respected and possessing anatomic bomb. Then they will not be
able to fool anyone with this weapon. [passage omitted]
AI-Qadhdhati Interview on Mideast Issues Cited
LD250934 Kuwait KUNA in Arabic 0746 GMT 25 Jun 87
[Text] Kuwait, 25 Jun (KUNA) -Libyan leader Colonel
Mu`ammar al-Qadhdhafl praised Kuwait's balanced policy and
said that this stems from sound Kuwaiti convictions. He reaf-
firmed Kuwait's right to take whatever measures it deems appro-
priate, free from any pressure, to protect its interests,
installations, and oil tankers. He said that he had submitted
protests to Iran more than once because it had attacked Kuwaiti
targets and had harrassed Saudi Arabian tankers.
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In an interview with the Kuwaiti newspaper AI-Ra y al-:4mm
published here today, Col al-QadhdhaCt asserted his opposition
to the continuation of the Iran-Iraq war and added that he is
determined to make every effort to end this conflict. This is
because it is a war that exhausts the energies of the two comba-
tantsand inflicts heavy losses on them. The ones who benefit from
the conflict, he stated, are Zionism and imperialism, since Zion-
ism aims to eliminate both the Iraqi and Iranian forces. The
Libyan leader expressed hope that the war would not be
expanded. He affirmed: We should work to confine its scope
and to end it.
He pointed out that there is a certain wing, a fifth column within
the Iranian revolution in addition to the agents of Israel and the
United States. Al-Qadhdhafi stated: The United States and
Israel want this war to continue. We are not surprised to see
Israel supply Iran with weapons to encourage the conflict's
continuation. The Americans do the same, but this is not out of
love for Iraq and Iran; they hate both Iran and Iraq and want to
destroy their armies. The United States and Israel seek to destroy
Iraq's military, which is the strongest Arab force, and eliminate
the Iraqi Army, Iraqi oil, and Iraqi energy. The Israelis encour-
age the war's continuation to waste Gulf energies.
Col al-Qadhdhafi expressed his belief that the war benefited Iraq
with regard to experience. He declared: "1 consider its rulers
to be more realistic and more responsible than other Arab
leaders."
He affirmed his support for Syrian-Iraqi rapprochement and
expressed his .-readiness to exert greater efforts to achieve
this.Unifying Syria and Iraq is a pan-Arab duty.
The Libyan leader revealed that next November the establish-
ment of a federal state between the Libyan Jamahiriyah and
Algeria will be declared. This federation will possess a unified
federal leadership and institutions. After a few years, the
arrangement may develop into a comprehensive federal experi-
ment.
He did not rule out Syria's joining this union, since Syria is
targeted by Israel and colonialism. If Syria falls, there will be no
obstacle-to colonialist and Zionist regional advances. Syria repre-
sents the strongest military force after Iraq.
Col al-Qadhdhafi referred to Libyan-Egyptian relations, stating:
"First of all, we oppose the normalization of Egyptian-Israeli
relations, as well as the Camp David agreement. This agreement
has done great harm to the Arab world and has squandered 20
years of Jamal `abd al-Nasir's efforts in Africa in support of Arab
issues. The Egyptian regime canceled out these efforts by signing
the Camp David accords. Nonetheless, we stand with Egypt in
the face of any Israeli threat."
He added that he had personally written a message to President
Husni Mubarak 2 years ago in which he reaffirmed that "Libya
represents Egypt's strategic depth. Libya's military strength and
Libyan capabilities are at your disposal should you be confronted
by an Israeli military threat."
Col al-Qadhdhafi expressed his belief that what was achieved in
unifying the Palestinian detachments at the PNC meeting in
Algiers is a positive factor that should not be compromised. He
stated: We are continuing our efforts to achieve Palestinian
national unity as there are still several forces not included in this
unity. ,
The Libyan leader then discussed the camps war in Lebanon and
declared: We regard the camps war in Lebanon as a crime.
Whoever fights against the Palestinian camps is an agent of
Zionism and fights on Israel's behalf. What pride can an Arab
take in fighting against the inhabitants of Palestinian camps and
in destroying these camps? This is an action that serves Israel's
plan for annihilating; disarming, and weakening the Palestinian
people. It is very painful to see Arabs fighting against the
Palestinian camps.
Col al-Qadhdhafi pointed out that from time to time Palestinian
officials visit Libya, including [PLO Executive Committee mem-
ber]Khalil al-Wazir;Abu Jihad, the deputy commander in chief
of the Palestinian Revolution Forces; Faruq Qaddumi, head of
the PLO's Political DepaRment; and others. Dialogue and dis-
cussions then take place between them.
He stated: What concerns us in the first place is Palestinian
unity and to see their alliance with Syria restored, and after this,
to see Palestinian-Libyan relations develop.
In reply to a question on whether Syria alone can face Israel,
despite its capabilities and weapons, Col al-Qadhdhafi replied:
War against Israel is an pan-Arab responsibility. Syria alone
cannot fight Israel unless an end is put to Arab differences and
unity of the Arab ranks is achieved. As Israel receives support
and backing from the United States, we must strike at U.S.
interests in the region. This is the responsibility of the Arab
masses.
He added: The United States is a bitter enemy of the Arabs,
and its presence in the region is a danger to the Arab nation. This
is because the United States wants to enable Israel to control the
Arab east: The United states wants to dominate the entire
Arab homeland, from the Strait of Hormuz, through the Suez
Canal, to Gibraltar and the Mediterranean coast.
Responding to a question on the possibility of counting on the
USSR in the event of a break in relations or a strike at U.S.
interests in the region, the Libyan leader stated: It is necessary
to rely on ourselves. First, the Soviet Union is a friendly state; it
is an Arab ally and it is hostile to the United States. As the old
saying goes: An enemy of my enemy is my friend.
He added: We should not forget that the Soviet Union holds
positive stances on Arab issues at the Security Council and the
United Nations. There is no harm in consolidating relations with
it on strategic bases, and relations of interests based on mutual
respect. It is not necessary for us to be communists to deal with
the Soviet Union, contrary to what the United States demands
from others.
Col al-Qadhdhafi then spoke about relations with Britain and its
views concerning the Arab nation. He stated: Britain harbors
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concealed hatred toward the Arabs. It is a crusader state. In the
Thatcher era, Britain is regarded as a tool of the United States,
particularly against the Soviet Union, the Arabs, and Palestine,
since Thatcher was the first British prime minister to visit Israel.
This is a challenge to all Arabs.
As for France, he said that relations with that nation "are there
for establishing understanding. Relations with France are not
poor as some might think. The only bad thing about France is
that it maintains and wants to reinforce the old ugly military face
of wlonialism. It deals with others in the language of military
bases. We oppose France and adopt a hostile attitude toward it
because it is a colonialist state in Africa, but its policy differs
from that of America. It does not submit to America as some
other states do."
The Libyan leader pointed out that he would attend the Arab
summit conference in Riyadh if it is held. He declared: We
have begun contacts with the brothers -the rulers of the Arab
states -and have reaffirmed the necessity of convening this
summit conference in the 9th month of 1987.
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