AL-QADHDHAFI ADDRESSES PEOPLE'S CONGRESS

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held talks with President Muhammad Husni Mubarak,
who with Mrs Mubarak saw the Bangladesh president off
at the airport. [passage omitted]
Bangladesh Signs Maritime Cooperation Agreement
NC051620 Cairo MENA in Arabic 1442 GMT
5 Jan 88
[Excerpt] Cairo, 5 Jan (MENA)-Egypt and Bangladesh
signed a 5-year cooperation agreement in the sphere of
maritime transport today. The agreement will go into
effect after 30 days. Eng Sulayman Mutawalli Sulayman
, Egyptian minister of transport, communications, and
maritime transport, and Zafar Iman, Bangladesh minis-
ter of jute, who is visiting Cairo as a member of the
delegation accompanying President Hussain Ershad,
signed the agreement.
Following the signing ceremony, which took place at the
Presidential Palace, Eng Sulayman Mutawalli Sulayman
stated that the purpose of the agreement is to develop
trade and economic relations between the two countries
and to grant facilities to ships of both states in Egyptian
and Bangladesh ports. [passage omitted]
State Security Prosecution Releases 57 Students
NC061635 Cairo MENA in Arabic 1615 GMT
6 Jan 88
[Text] Cairo, 6 Jan (MENA)-The Supreme State Secu-
rity Prosecution decided today to release 57 `Ayn Shams
University students on bail ranging from 30 to 50
pounds. The security authorities arrested these students
while they were demonstrating outside the university
campus yesterday. The prosecution charged them with
taking part in unauthorized demonstrations.
Dawud Confirms Desire To Remain With Nasirites
PM071329 London AL-SHARQ AL-A WSA T in Arabic
5Jan88pI
[Unattributed report: "After Lifting of Political Ban:
Cairo: May Group Studies Possibility of Unifying
Efforts To Establish Nasirite Party"]
[Text] Cairo-Diya` al-Din Dawud, member of the Exec-
utive Committee of the disbanded Socialist Union in
Egypt, has confirmed that he is not contemplating join-
ing any of the current Egyptian parties and that he will
remain as one of the founding members of the Nasirite
Socialist Party.
In exclusive statements to AL-SHARQ AL-AWSAT con-
cerning his anticipated political activities since he and
the May Group obtained a court ruling abrogating the
political prohibition on them, he noted that they will not
be submitting their party's manifesto to the parties
committee but will wait for the court ruling to be passed
in February in the suit filed by Farid `Abd al-Karim,
cofounder of the other Nasirite party, when the Egyptian
political parties committee refused to give its consent.
He indicated a current intention of concluding an agree-
ment between the founder of that party and the founders
of the party to which he belongs (the Nasirite Socialist
Party), especially since the two manifestos approximate
one another, and it would be preferable to unite their
efforts in order to announce one party.
It is worth mentioning that the Egyptian Court a few
days ago passed a decision abrogating the. political ban
imposed by the government on a number of politicians
known as the "May Group," in a reference to the famous
events which took place on the 15th of that month in
1971. The group includes `Ali.Sabri, Sha`arawi Jum'ah,
Muhammad Fawzi, Sami Sharaf, Labib Shuqair, and
Muhammad Fa'iq as well as Diya` al-Din Dawud.
Libya
Al-Qadhdhafi Reportedly To Visit Tunis
LD041700 Kuwait KUNA in English 1254 GMT
4 Jan 88
[Text] Tunis, Jan 4 (KUNA) -Libyan leader Mu'ammar
al-Qadhdhafi will visit Tunis in the coming few days and
is likely to be carrying a unity proposal akin to the one
that he suggested to Algeria last year, AL-ANWAR
weekly newspaper reported Monday.
The report coincided with rumors that Libya was seeking
to join Tunisia, Algeria and Mauritania in the fraternity
and accord agreement but well-placed diplomatic
sources here indicated that the Arab Maghreb countries
would rather opt for a yet higher degree of coordination.
According to the same sources, Morocco and Algeria
have decided to bypass their differences over the West-
ern Sahara and strengthen cooperation between them.
Al-Qadhdhafi Addresses People's Congress
LD0 rr oli Television Service in Arabic
1825 GMT 6 Jan 88
[Address by Mu'ammar al-Qadhdhafi at a meeting of the
Sidi al-Khalifah Basic People's Congress on 6 January-
live or recorded]
[Text] Permit me to make some observations. The first
thing one learns from attending a Basic People's Con-
gress, either as a member or as part of a council like this
one here, is how power is exercised. All of us who attend
a Basic People's Congress are actually going to a school
to learn every day and at every session how to wield
authority. Clearly, someone who was present yesterday
and today will be in a better situation. When he goes
back to his family, he will say: I understood things today,
and have begun to feel like a conscious citizen. I feel that
I am really in charge and today I established a bank and
a company, as well as a central firm, and created the post
of a secretary accountable to me.
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This decision is the first of its kind by one of Egypt's 18
creditor countries.
It is noteworthy that Egypt has concluded debt-resched-
uling agreements with France, Spain, the United States,
and Denmark. Negotiations on debt rescheduing will
take place with other countries next week.
Mubarak Meets With FRG Economics Minister
NC041137 Cairo MENA in Arabic 1010 GMT
4 Jan 88'
[Text] Cairo, 4,Jan (MENA)-President Muhammad
Husni Mubarak received FRG Economics Minister Mar-
tin Bangemann, who is currently visiting Cairo, at the
Presidential Palace this morning. The meeting was
attended by Minister of Tourism Fu'ad Sultan and
Martin Elsaesser, FRG ambassador in Cairo.
Bangemann Ends Visit, Departs
NCO41452 Cairo MENA in Arabic 1440 GMT
4Jan88
[Excerpt] Cairo, 4 Jan,(MENA)-FRG Economics Min-
ister Martin Bangemann left Cairo this afternoon at the
conclusion of a 10-day visit to Egypt, during which he
met with President Muhammad Husni Mubarak. [pas-
sage omitted]
Austria's Mock Departs at End of Visit
NC051536 Cairo MENA in Arabic 1340 GMT
5 Jan 88
[Text) Cairo, 5 Jan (MENA)-DrAlois Mock, Austrian
vice chancellor and foreign minister, departed from
Cairo this afternoon following a 10-day visit to Egypt
during which he met with President Husni Mubarak.
During his official stay in Cairo, the Austrian vice
chancellor held talks with Prime Minister Dr `Atif Sidgi;
Dr `Ismat `Abd al-Majid, deputy prime minister and
foreign minister; and Dr Kamal al-Janzuri, deputy prime
minister and minister of planning. The discussions were
aimed at bolstering and developing political, economic,
and cultural cooperation between Egypt and Austria.
Dr Alois Mock and his wife also spent their new year
vacation in Luxor, Aswan, and Al-Ghurdaqah.
Norwegian Oil Minister Arrives 2 Jan
NCO21422 Cairo MENA in. English 1350 GMT
2 Jan 88
[Excerpt] Cairo, 2 Jan (MENA)-Arne Oien, Norwegian
minister of oil and energy, arrived in Cairo from Amman
this afternoon for a week-long visit to Egypt. During his
stay, the Norwegian minister will hold talks with `Abd
al-Hadi Qandil, minister of petroleum and mineral
resources, on. the promotion of bilateral cooperation in
oil prospecting and production, as well as in efforts to
stabilize the international oil market. [passage omitted].
Italy's EEC Affairs Minister Arrives in Cairo
NCO] 1329 Cairo MENA in English 1300 GMT
1 Jan 88
[Text] Cairo, Jan 1 (MENA)-The Italian minister for
EEC affairs arrived here today on a three-day visit for
talks with deputy premier and foreign Minister Dr `Ismat
`Abd al-Majid on the EEC role regarding international
affairs and Middle East problems in particular.
Upon arrival the Italian official said he will deliver a
lecture at the Foreign Ministry Diplomatic 'Institute on
the difficulties facing the EEC and conflicts in the
Mediterranean.
The Italian official was welcomed upon arrival by
Ambassador Yahya Rif'at,'assistant'foreign minister.
Cypriot Interior Minister Arrives on Visit
Confers With Zaki Badr
NC031353 Cairo MENA in Arabic 1325 GMT
3 Jan 88
[Text] Cairo, 3 Jan (MENA)-Interior Minister Zaki
Badr received Cypriot Interior Minister.Konstandinos
Mikhailidhis in his office today. During the meeting,
cooperation between Egypt and Cyprus, particularly in
security-related areas, was discussed.
Alexandros Siambos, Cypriot ambassador to Cairo, as
well as Major General Baha' al-Din Ibrahim and Major
General Mustafa Kamal, assistants to the interior min-
ister, attended the meeting.
The Cypriot minister arrived in Cairo this morning on a
2-day visit to Egypt.
Notes `Fruitful Talks'
NC071031 Cairo MENA in Arabic 1015 GMT
7 Jan 88
[Text] Cairo, 7 Jan (MENA)-Cypriot Interior. Minister
Konstandinos Mikhailidhis left Cairo this morning fol-
lowing a 4-day visit to Egypt. In a predeparture state-
ment, the Cypriot guest said that his visit had been
extremely successful. He noted that he had held fruitful
talks with Dr `Ismat`Abd al-Majid, deputy prime min-
ister and foreign minister, and Interior Minister Zaki
Badr on ways to strengthen. the ties of friendship between
Egypt and Cyprus and expand the scope of bilateral
cooperation in the field of security.
Bangladesh President Concludes Visit, Departs
NC070810 Cairo MENA in Arabic 0735 GMT
7Jan 88
[Excerpt] Cairo, 7 Jan (MENA)-Bangladesh President
Hussain Ershad, his wife, and the delegation accompa-
nying him left Cairo for home this morning after a 4-day
official visit io Egypt. While in Cairo, President Ershad
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I have become the master. It is I who say: Make a record
of this or that. All my words are taken down. Afterward,
I learned other things from various colleagues who
spoke, and found out where (?we are going). I heard
about investments. There are 93 companies spread
around the world who export goods to us, and they made
such and such a profit. I learned where Fiat's money has
gone, and was told that they put it in a vault, and so on.
That is the first thing about attending a Basic People's
Congress: We learn to wield power, how to do it. Then
we learn other things, education.
In fact, anyone who attends a Basic People's Congress
gets some education,. and becomes a conscious citizen.
There are things that you learn at the university that can
be understood only if you are a graduate. You learn these
things in one or two congress sessions, and you resemble
a graduate of a program in politics or economics. That is
the second benefit.
Finally, in addition, to learning, we decide our own
destiny. We decide our fate, we make decisions about
our money, eating and drinking, our political positions,
and our friends and enemies. We define our stance
toward them. Each of us feels that he has decided
everything. Ours are the only people who cannot, or do
not stage demonstrations or sit-ins. That is true because
the Libyan people are the rulers. Other people have
protests every day. They stage sit-ins, and engage in civil
disobedience against the ruling authority, the authority
that directs them.
The Egyptian people want to sever relations with the
enemy. They want to expel its embassy from Egypt, fight
the enemy, and stand beside the Palestinian people.
However, its government sides with the United States
and Zionism. -Well, look here: If the people actually
made policy there, they would have no need to demon-
strate or protest. The people's congresses would have
met, and would have decided to break relations with the
Zionist enemy without any demonstrations, repression,
or tear gas. Today, though, the people have no power. As
such, they are forced to take to the streets, and to put up
with the tear gas and trucheons of the Egyptian police to
express their opinions. They must shout to make the
world hear their views. And in the end, the shouting in
the streets may be in vain.
Get hit and go back home; the government's policies
remain in step with the United States and Zionism. I
would like to take this opportunity to salute the Egyptian
people's revolution. [applause] Yesterday, I saw Egypt's
heroes challenging Egypt's government lackeys. They
were shouting for their own revolution and for martyr-
dom on Palestine's behalf. I saw the Egyptian people
angry, and looked on as they expressed their support for
the Palestinian people in their decisive battle against the
Zionist enemy and for the liberation of Palestine. Their
actions were totally opposed to the Egyptian regime's
policy of recognizing something called Israel and claim-
ing that only the West Bank and Gaza are occupied.
The Egyptian people want Palestine to be free. They are
cause for hope that Egypt may be liberated and that the
plans of the United States, Zionism, and their allies may
be exposed to the storm of an Arab nation set on
liberation. By the way, I should note that the points of
little importance on the agenda do not concern this
congress, but from this congress we address all Basic
People's Congresses.
I would ask: How is a people's committee, including the
General People's Committee, held accountable? How
can a committee, or a [word indistinct] or member, or its
secretary be brought down? We are now discussing the
General People's Committee for the Treasury. This is the
report on its activities. We can take it as a model for the
other committees. The Sidi al-Khalifah Basic People's
Congress has recorded its observations on the activities
of the General People's Committee for the Treasury.
Through its discussion of this company, the external
bank, Egypt [words indistinct] these observations are
recorded by the drafting committee of this congress.
The same thing applies to all the 1,000 or 2,000 con-
gresses in the Jamahiriyah. They record the same obser-
vations on the General People's Committee for the
Treasury when they study the report of the Treasury. All
the notes on the Treasury from all the Basic People's
Congresses are collected at the municipal conferences.
Those of us here belong to the municipal branch of Sidi
al-Khalifah in Tripoli. All the conferences in the city of
Tripoli, from the branches to the city of Tripoli itself,
collect all the notes on the Treasury made by all the basic
people's conferences. They come to the municipal con-
ference once the basic people's conferences have con-
cluded their discussions and have treated every point on
their agendas. All their notes are taken to the municipal
conference, which is attended by the secretaries of the
basic people's conferences in Tripoli. The secretaries
meet in a conference for the city of Tripoli. Each of
them, including your secretary, brings your notes on the
Treasury, for instance. All your notes, but let us assume
[words indistinct] he brings your notes on the Treasury.
Everything that has been said has been recorded and he
brings it with him to the municipal conference. I am
telling you what happens to the comments you make
here.
The views and remarks of the basic people's conferences
in the city of Tripoli on the General People's Committee
for the Treasury are collected and taken to the municipal
conference of the city of Tripoli. They are then com-
pared, like profits and losses. We look at the positive and
negative comments about the General People's Commit-
tee for the Treasury, the investment company, the exter-
nal bank, other companies, the central bank, other
commercial banks, and all the other financial activities
that come under the General People's Committee for the
Treasury.
The specialized people's committees, as well as the
qualitative committees in the city of Tripoli, attend the
municipal conference. When this is the municipal con-
ference, the basic people's committee for Tripoli comes
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here. The municipal conference for the city of Tripoli
presents these notes to the People's Treasury Committee
in Tripoli. That committee then makes its observations
on those notes. If this committee, which was formed by
the municipal conference, is so authorized, it can judge
whether they are dropped, or whether its secretary or one
of its members is dropped.
When the matter concerns the General People's Con-
gress, the municipal secretaries take the summary from
the municipal conferences we discussed and bring it to
the General People's Congress. The qualitative general
people's committees come before us, including the Gen-
eral People's Committee. The General People's Commit-
tee for the Treasury comes before us, and we have all the
remarks about the Treasury made by people at basic
people's conferences throughout the Jamahiriyah. Like
judgment day, nothing [words indistinct] the good and
evil against this committee. They reach the General
People's Committee. The secretary of every municipal
conference comes and brings a summary of the views
expressed on the Treasury by his municipal conference.
That is true of this municipality, the next, and the next.
We collect them at the General People's Conference, the
Secretariat of the General People's Conference, and
from them we issue the final draft, the gist, the conclu-
sion.
What has been said for and against this committee? Did
it win or lose before the people's conferences? Then the
General People's Conference makes the decision, as it
selected the secretary of the committee. He says the
General People's Committee for the Treasury has been
dropped by the people's conferences, as its policy on this
or that point was bankrupt, and was a failure. Or he may
say that the basic people's conferences are grateful to this
committee and it has become clear that it carried out the
task entrusted to it by the basic people's congress in the
best possible way, and that the committee will remain in
place. Or he may say that the committee will stay, but
that the conference has made some observations: The
committee should show some interest in this subject,
that company, Fiat's investments, the external bank,
increase or reduce the number of those firms; in other
words, the remarks you made to him. Other conferences
may make similar or different comments on the same
issue.
I am telling you how the work is done. A citizen just said
here: By God I spoke, but it was like a cry in the
wilderness. I spoke at the conference in Sidi al-Khalifah
and what then, will that bring down the secretary of the
General People's Committee? It can. How? You can
drop the governor of the Libyan Central Bank. I, a
citizen who lives in Sidi al-Khalifah, can secure the
dismissal of the governor of the Libyan Central Bank. Is
that reasonable? You can bring him down. Your word
can bring him down. How? Your comments are recorded
by the drafting committee, which the secretary of your
conference takes to the municipal conference for the city
of Tripoli.
This applies to all the remarks by all the other members
about the governor of the Libyan Central Bank, for
instance. All the views on a particular person, bank, or
committee are collected at the Tripoli municipal confer-
ence. At that point, those remarks that are not within the
purview of the municipal conference are taken to the
General People's Conference by the secretaries of the
municipal conferences. They are collected there. If they
are against him, he falls. Who brought him down? Your
comments, and yours, and those of another citizen at
another conference, and those of a citizen in Jaghbub, a
citizen in Aozou, a citizen in Ghat, a citizen in Gharyan,
and a citizen in Misratah. Everyone who said this spoke,
and they were right. They condemned this particular
committee or bank. There is no (?hot air).
Finally, they are all assembled and strengthened, for if
you have one positive opinion, and then another, the
positive aspect is. reinforced. If you have one negative
opinion, then another and another still, these opposing
views, these negative views of a given party grow stron-
ger. They are assembled at the municipal conference
level, and those measures that fall within the purview of
the municipal conference will be completed through
change, elimination, retention, expressions of gratitude,
and so on. At that point, those that do not fall within the
purview of the municipal conference are sent on to the
General People's Congress. Our current debate will be
reflected in the people's committees. I can say that the
Treasury [words indistinct]. However, the other point, in
other words, this is the method; how do these opinions
work? How does each of us know that his words were not
in vain? For their part, how do the secretaries of con-
gresses know how these opinions will be formulated from
the basic to the municipal conference, and from the
municipal conference to the General People's Congress?
You may ask: Where is the secretary of the General
People's Committee for the Treasury? He's not here. It
would be reasonable to dismiss him. He hasn't come
before me, I haven't seen him at all, I don't even know
what he looks like. Why should I care? I do. We would
collect everything you say [word indistinct] to the munic-
ipality and he would go there. If he did not go to the
municipal conference, he will go to the treasury commit-
tee in Tripoli of the municipal conference, and the
secretary of the General People's Committee for the
Treasury will come before the General People's Con-
gress. All these views will be transferred from one file to
the next until they reach the General People's Congress.
That is how you, from your present place and without
moving, can have your say on any institution or com-
mittee and can support it or get rid of it.
However, we should not always have elimination, elim-
ination, and elimination on our minds. We will always
support anything positive. We will keep it, and will
eliminate anything negative. We should not be con-
stantly asking ourselves why something has not been
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eliminated. If it is beneficial it will remain. However,
this is not a case of: Why was it eliminated, or why was
it not? That is your own assessment.
Afterward, I would truly be pleased with this debate if it
were to continue in every congress without speeches and
the like. I would oppose anyone who would appear in
Tubruq without any information on industry and say:
Our industry has failed; this is not the way. No, no, these
speeches do only harm, they stain your reputation in
(?the world). There is no problem if you have statistics
from a report. How could someone come and deliver a
speech claiming that industry was a failure? How did it
fail? That is not a responsible statement, as everyone can
judge his comment and he cannot defend himself. How
did it fail? Bring your proof.
1. know .this: I can say that the Libyan Arab company for
foreign investment has been a success [words indistinct]
this report. This one has founded 93 companies, and has
made a profit of 17 million. We have conducted an
audit, and after all these observations, we found that it
was effective, and was turning a profit [words indistinct].
It is making a profit in every field, and even if it had
losses in certain sectors, it has compensated for them. In
this case, we can call it a success, and if someone asks:
Who told you it was successful, you can answer: Its
secretary is so and so. Correct, and the one with him
deserves a medal. Someone would come and ask you:
Are you just talking nonsense? You would reply: No,
that's what the report says. My comments are based on
the report. Then the person will say: You are dead right.
When you know the truth, you can say it is successful or
whatever. But if you claim out of the blue that industry
is a failure and agriculture is too, that will not be to your
credit.
I said yesterday that there should be no speeches. There
should be scientific dialogues like this one. What should
we discuss? The activity of a firm, for instance, or the
import, of goods and services required by the Libyan
market? What did it import? It brought in tomato puree,
olive oil, tea, fish, shoes, and medicine. What was the
benefit? Seventeen million. How much capital does it
have? So many millions. How many firms contributed?
Ninety-three. Where are they located? That is how the
dialogue should be. You don't need speeches to do that.
Now that we have read this page, I am pleased with the
way you are going about your business. Someone said
that reports on us should have been distributed from the
start. Put that on record. That remark should be put
down, noting that from this year on, all congresses
should distribute as many reports as possible on the
secretariats, congresses, and so on. Then you said: Make
things easier: The secretariats and people's committees
should be thinking of ways to simplify reports. for the
people's congresses.
ARAB AFRICA
Someone. else commented on a firm,. and said,it.should
be required to train Libyans in investment techniques.
We should write that down. Then, during the municipal
conference, we will invite representatives of the firm,
and tell them that, even if they are not responsible for
training, they must, as stipulated by the congresses, train
Libyans. They must see to it that Libyans gain experi-
ence in investment. They must assume this responsibil-
ity in light of the decisions made by the congresses. The
firm may answer: We will train Libyans, but we need
more capital. We need so many millions more, which
will make it possible for us to begin training sessions,
send people around, and so on. They will be, called to
account for it the year after. We gave you the job of
training Libyans, and how many did you train? How
much did you spend on them? Was the project a success
or a failure? It might suffer a loss, and then we would
have to revoke this recommendation or decision.
Then, the financial report. You, the firm, the congresses,
want to know how you could insure 93 firms around the
world in the event of a change in the political systems of
those states. Were there any losses of this kind? Were the
firms insured or not? I am talking about questions that
may never occur to me. I would have sent a report
saying: Great, what a joy, this firm has a profit of 17
million. It must be successful. You raised things that had
truly never occurred to me. The people are the teacher. I
would never tell you that so and so can teach you; no, I
couldn't take that. The people are the teacher, and, as
you have seen, you have taught me a few things. I was
happy about the 17 million mentioned in the financial
report. Then someone asked: Tell me, where did that 17
million come from? It might have been at our expense. I
thought he was dead right. Let's check. [laughter,
applause]
At that point, someone else said: As for people's quali-
fications, I think there are people qualified to work in
this firm, people that could be of help. They applied for
work in investment on the basis of their experience, but
their applications were put aside. We will leave that for
the municipal conference, the member responsible for
the Treasury, then the People's Committee for the Trea-
sury at the Tripoli municipal level, then the People's
Committee for the Treasury at the Jamahiriyah level at
the General People's Congress. We will raise this ques-
tion with them. We have made many applications [words
indistinct] it would say: I have 500 applications that I
have not considered, because I didn't need them, or
because they were a burden for me, or because they
weren't qualified, or I only took those I needed. Thus,
the citizen who made the remark will have an answer.
[Indistinct remarks by unidentified member of the audi-
ence, followed by laughter]
Right, right. That's a good observation. One of you just
said: Look, as soon as you heard about a company with
some 93 foreign ventures, every one of you wanted to go
abroad and work in one of its subsidiaries. Everyone
wants to go abroad and work in those subsidiaries. Well,
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those subsidiaries aren't hostels. We should not send
people abroad unless they are needed. The people and
the congresses should decide this. Every citizen and
congress should tell every other citizen and congress so a
resolution to that effect will go before the municipal
conferences, then before the General People's Congress,
then before the General People's Committee, and before
these companies informing them of the people's decision
that foreign investment is not like a hostel. Not every one
has a friend who can get him a job in the company,
regardless of the profits which the firm or its investments
may make. Only a small number of capable people
should be employed. Otherwise, the company would be a
hospice. Everyone would come and say: Get me a job
overseas with your company in Thailand.
Moreover, the congresses-this one, for instance-have
asked about the political return on such ventures. We
have to make a political assessment of our presence in
those countries. Such an assessment should be made by
other congresses within the municipalities. Their infor-
mation, in turn, would be assembled and presented
before the municipal conference, which should study
them in light of the report from the People's Committee
of the People's Bureau for. Foreign Liaison. Its report
would say, for instance, that we have investments in
Guinea, we have foreign investment in Guinea. Now,
what does the People's Bureau for Foreign Liaison say
about Guinea? Let's assume that the report said Guinea
did not vote in our favor on a given issue, and that
Guinea has restored relations with the Zionist enemy.
The report might say, for example, that Guinea con-
demned the NATO aggression against us, that Guinea
supports our right to the Gulf of Sidra, and so on. Then
we have to ask ourselves why the Guineans have been
our friends. They have been our friends because we have
given them aid. We have a company that has been
granting them loans and helping them in their agrarian
reform. Then, as another example, we can look at the file
on Togo. We have investments in Togo; our company
has made profits in Togo, and Togo, too, has benefitted
from them. However, Togo has restored its relations
with the Zionist enemy. We have a joint defense pact
with it, and it violated that agreement. Moreover, Togo
has been hostile to other countries we see as friends-
Ghana and Burkina Faso, for instance. In the end, the
file will be black on Togo, a country we have been
investing in! Then, the people might ask why, and might
decide that we should stop our investment in Togo to
deprive and punish it, as its policy has been unfriendly to
us and to the cause of freedom.
This should be the method of discussion. The first point
should cover ways of making the people's committees
answerable to the Basic People's Congresses, to the
municipal conferences, and to the General People's
Congress. I hope my explanation has been clear.
As for the case of the Palestinian people, I would like to
reiterate to you that they are now staging a revolution
against occupation, and are waging their fight with
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stones. I have spoken with a number of Palestinian
leaders, and it has become clear to me that the Palestin-
ians find it hard to educate their children, who do not
want to study in the occupied territories or are abroad
and refused entry. The children of Palestinians outside
Palestine are not allowed to study in B'ir Zayt University
or any other. They are not permitted to attend the
Islamic University of Gaza, or the religious institute
there.
Despite our moral support for the Arab nation and the
fact that we are its very conscience and voice, we have
been stingy in material terms, not only toward our Arab
nation but toward Africa, as well. It is easy for some
people to say: Look, look, an African has arrived and his
suitcase will surely be filled with money from us. [laugh-
ter, applause] Alas, there is no, money and no promise of
money. You know that if we were giving them money we
would bring them here, like the French do. France pays
the salaries of its employees, from the salary of the
president to those of the police in some countries. France
is paying them in order to win them over. If it whistles
for them, they will come. If it tells them to stand against
the Libyans, they will do so. If it tells them to oppose the
regime, they will do so, and if it tells them to support it,
they will do that, too. If it tells them to stand by France,
they do. That is what these- states are really paid to do.
However, if we were giving money to the Africans, they
would... [Al-Qadhdhafi changes thought] On the con-
trary, we are stingy, and the suitcase, if they actually
bring one, do you think there will be anything in it? He
will be carrying an empty one. In any case, this will be
decided by the -people's congresses. They say: This is the
budget of, say, I billion dinars. Set aside 100 million for
aid and loans to friendly states and for political action.
Make it 50 million, 10 million, or whatever.
From there, the General People's Committee and the
People's Bureau for Foreign Liaison can dispose of this
amount freely that year. If they spend it all, fine; we
agreed to that. If they spend only part of it, that's no loss.
After that point, we don't care if someone brought a bag
or a suitcase along with him. It is no concern of ours, for
we know what we have allocated; it doesn't matter. From
the start we said: That's it. We approve 10 million a year.
If you want to spend it, spend it. You are your own
judges. The People's Bureau for Foreign Liaison looks at
these countries, and it will see what their needs are.
In fact, we are stingy with our Arab nation first of all. We
have not paid... [Al-Qadhdhafi changes thought] I sug-
gest to the Libyan people that in addition to deciding on
emergency assistance for the Palestinians in the occupied
territories and their social and other institutions, we
should build a Palestinian university for a few thousand
Palestinians-4, 5, or 10 thousand Palestinian students.
This university should be built either in Palestine or in
Libya. Thus, the Libyan people would have done some-
thing that will give them peace of mind, because, as I
have been told by leaders of the Palestinian resistance,
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the situation is truly depressing. They tell me: We go
knocking on doors in Kenya asking that country to take
20 of our students. We go to Tanzania and ask it to take
10. We go to Austria and beg it to take some more. We do
the same in other countries. We say to Pakistan, India,
and whoever else, you are our friend, and to Yugoslavia,
take 10 of our students.
Indeed, this is not right. We must maintain our sense of
dignity and decide to build an entire university, a
university built by the Libyan people in appreciation of
the revolution which the Palestinian people have
launched with stones to confront the Zionist enemy
backed by U.S. imperialism. This would be useful to the
Palestinian people and the Arab nation, and it would
hurt the enemy at the same time. Our children will no
longer be expelled by the Jews, the reactionaries, the
United States, or Canada. They will wander no more.
This will be one way of gathering the Palestinians instead
of letting them study in other countries, where they will
get lost and where they will graduate, after which we will
no longer recognize them. Indeed, thousands of Palestin-
ians have taken foreign citizenship and have been lost.
This policy hurts us, as the Palestinian people are
gradually disappearing. Therefore, the Palestinian peo-
ple should not even take the citizenship of an Arab
country. That should not be allowed. They should not
have passports either.
They should have a Palestinian document so that the
Palestinian identity is not lost. In other words, the Jews
and the West want the Palestinians to melt into the Arab
world and melt into the world. I am of course against a
Palestinian who comes and says I am originally a Libyan
and I am from the Khuraybish family, or I do not know
what family. I am here and (?ask) to reside here. This is
treason, running away from battle-never. Even if you
were of Libyan origin, you are a Palestinian. You remain
a Palestinian, part of the Palestinian people, until you
return. One comes and says I have been living in Libya
for 20 years, I have become a Libyan and married a
Libyan.
This is a mistake; a Palestinian should not marry a
non-Palestinian Arab, because he does so to become part
of this non-Palestinian Arab people, to blend in and live
there [words indistinct]. And after a period he even gets
citizenship and then forgets. This should not be permit-
ted. The Palestinian should remain a Palestinian. Your
origin is Libyan or not Libyan. What [words indistinct]
we are all of the same origin, we are all Arabs of the same
origin if we begin to search for the origin. But now your
identity is Palestinian. How does it concern me if your
origin is Libyan? Even the Libyan comes from a Yemeni
origin! We are Arabs of the same tribe, the same grand-
father. But now you are in the geographical or political
division, or the political attitude; you are a Palestinian,
even if you are my brother.
If you live in Palestine, stay in Palestine, for you are
considered to be a Palestinian. So that their sons do not
become lost, searching for education, and melt away in
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this way, I ask that we decide to establish a university.
We want the conferences to discuss it. Of course, people
like a discussion. Present it to the conference. If you
agree, you should know what it needs, its budget, how
much, and so on. Do not just say we agree; you should
know how much you will pay. Perhaps one could request
an estimate for how much a university costs, for
instance. The idea should be presented to the conferenc-
es, if you agree, the specialist people's committees will
make. [sentence as heard]
Implementation-and this is a warning-of course,
implementing previous resolutions of the basic people's
conferences should be directed toward production. It
should also be in agreement with the jamahiri theory
stating that wages are enslavement, that the wage earner
is a slave-since salaries are wages-and that he who
receives a salary is in reality enslaved-anxious about
his fate and the fate of his family and his future-
because he does not know whether his wages will con-
tinue all the time or not, especially if his income comes
from oil. When there is an oil crisis, he will be left
without a salary, and his children will go hungry. Then
his wages could be cut. You make a mistake, do some-
thing wrong, show update, or damage a public car, and
then they hold a disciplinary council and fine you either
a month's or 2 weeks' salary. Sometimes you make a
mistake or do something wrong at your job, and then you
are fired. As the regulations require, they hold a review
for you, and then they dismiss you. You may also lose
the ability to work at your job due to an accident, illness,
or something else. Then you remain at basic pay.
You will be forced to retire, and so on. What I mean is
that he who gets paid from the state treasury does not
live happily. He lives a life of anxiety, he and his family.
He does not know if he will get all of his money next
month. Will they sell enough oil to pay me my salary or
not? Will they deduct anything from it this month or
not? Maybe I will have an accident and my salary, or half
of it, will be cut. Some crime may occur, and you may be
put on trial and have your pay cut. That is anxiety. He
who receives a salary lives a life of worry. Then he is
enslaved by his boss, who pays him. The implementation
of the resolutions of the Basic People's Conferences
should be directed toward production.
In other words, these are previous resolutions which we
are now becoming aware of. Freedom from fear, from
bad expectations for your future and for that of your
family. You must do away with salaries. How? By
turning to production. No one in the Jamahiriyah should
receive a salary, or only a few, and even they should be
looked upon in a certain way. Many jobs should be
eliminated: Clerks to issue tickets, others to record, and
still others to type. We can eliminate many things.
However, this does not mean we should do away with all
employees and throw them out into the streets. No, no.
Your salary cannot be cut off without a determination
that you have another free income, not your salary, to
provide for your family. It has to be confirmed that you
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have a workshop, farm, sheep, or some other source of
income. Obviously, we cannot dispense with certain
people=doctors, teachers, and technical specialists.
However, there are many jobs we can eliminate, thou-
sands and thousands of posts can be dispensed with in
1988, and those involved shifted to production. You will
be free, and, clearly, your lives will be happier and your
income will be greater. Caring for five cows is better than
any job. So is rearing 100 sheep. Running a farm, even
one of 5 hectares, is better than any job. And if you have
sons and daughters that you employ, with one working
and another (?supervising), you will see how the income
grows if you bring them together on a farm and pool their
efforts. If you employ your son, your daughter, and your
brother, and if you bring them all together and run a
farm and work in agriculture, we will see how high your
income goes. You will say we were wrong to compete for
jobs and receive salaries.
You will find the family scattered and [word indistinct]
you go there, you go there, you go there, even if one of
them has a farm [words indistinct]. Money does not
come from jobs, it comes from farms. In fact, those with
jobs should leave them and go to work on a farm, or in a
workshop, a carpenter's workshop employing one or
more people. Let them leave their jobs and work in a
workshop, as though we were running five workshops.
[Unidentified speaker in the audience says: "Excuse me,
but according to the third universal' theory, he who
exploits the land through his own labor and the [word
indistinct] and sons, lives from it. Is that correct?"] Yes.
[Speaker continues: "Why does the General People's
Committee for Civil Service issue resolutions without
[words indistinct]? The third universal theory says: Serve
the land by your effort."] You mean that the people's
committee has allowed farmers to employ foreign work-
ers, don't you? [Speaker makes indistinct reply]
You're right, you're right. Well, that's your problem.
Very well, do without the foreign labor force. I am
generally satisfied, very satisfied with way the people's
congresses are exercising their authority. It is improving
day after day and year after year. The'struggle continues.
[chanting]
Yunis Jabir Receives Soviet Military Delegation
LD062110 Tripoli Television Service in Arabic
2000 GMT 6 Jan 88
[Text] Colonel Abu Bakr Yunis Jabir, commander in
chief of the Libyan Arab Armed Forces, met today with
Lieutenant General Kondakov, chief of the 10th Direc-
torate of the General Staff of the Soviet Armed forces,
and the members of his delegation.
Morocco
King Receives Senegalese, Mauritanian Ministers
LD062045 Rabat Domestic Service in Arabic
1600 GMT 6 Jan 88
[Text] His Majesty King Hassan II, may God grant him
success, and His Royal Highness Crown Prince Sidi
Mohamed received at the Royal Palace in Ifrane at noon
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today [Senegalese Foreign Minister] Ibrahima Fall, who
was accompanied by Boubacar Diop, that country's
ambassador to Morocco.
During this meeting, the head of Senegalese diplomacy
conveyed to His Majesty the King a special message
from President Abdou Diouf.
His Majesty, accompanied by His Royal Highness
Crown Prince Sidi Mohamed, then received Maurita-
nian Foreign Minister Lemine Ould N'Diayane, who was
accompanied by Mahfoud Ould Lemrabott, that
country's ambassador to Rabat.
The two royal meetings were attended by Minister of
State Moulay Ahmed Alaoui; Minister of Foreign Affairs
and Cooperation Abdellatif Filali; Minister of Interior
and Information Ahmed Driss Basri; and Ahmed Reda
Guedira, adviser to His Majesty the King.
UK's Hurd Arrives, Met by Interior Minister
LD061936 Rabat Domestic Service in Arabic
1600 GMT 6 Jan 88
[Text] The British home secretary, Mr Douglas Hurd,
arrived a short time ago at Mohamed V Airport on an
official visit to our country.
He was welcomed at Mohamed V Airport by Mr Driss
Basri, the minister of interior and information, and the
British ambassador to Rabat.
`Outlaws' Confronted in Kapoeta, Al-Jummayzah
JN071135 Khartoum SUNA in Arabic 1028 GMT
7 Jan 88
[Text] Khartoum, 7 Jan (SUNA)-The Armed Forces
have confronted and foiled an attempt by a group of
outlaws to besiege the town of Kapoeta in the Equatoria
Region and to infiltrate neighboring towns and villages.
This was reported here today by the independent daily
AL-ITTIHAD.
Quoting a military source in the Army General Com-
mand, the paper added that the rebels then plundered
the region causing panic among the citizens. However,
the Armed Forces continued their successful operations
and maintained security and stability.
The paper also quoted the source as saying that the
Armed Forces had confronted another large group of
outlaws and forced them to flee in the direction of the
eastern border. The Armed Forces additionally
destroyed a concentration of outlaws in the (Manita)
region, killing six of them.
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