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tur y Stan a
By Soy Billington
wflowneton Star Staff Writer
When -Jimmy Cartertwent out to CIA headquar-
ters at Langley recently to give intelligence agents
a pep talk, he urged them to be "more pure and
more clean and more decent and more honest" than
Practically anyone else. They must be as Caesar's
vvile, he told them. - e
Such orders, of cotirse, Were delivered M the con-
text or A widespread public impression that the
agency had been less pure, less dean, less deceit
and less honest than many might wish.
J...
And, while many of the excesses of the past seem
to have been curbed, the agency is currently under
new fire on the fundamental question of how Well
it is doing its job. Critics now are saying that Wash-
ington was caught off guard by the events in Iran,
tharsomething is deeply amiss at the Central Intelli;
gence Agency when one of its personnel is "f6und
guilty of selling critical information to the Soviets. '
At the center of the storm is Stansfield Turner --
a 54-year-old ,admiral who neither smokes nor
drinks, a deeply religious man in a world of cunning
and stealth -7. who has been tasked to point the CIA
in a more virtuous and efficient direction.
Turner's command began dramatically enough. It
started with the se-called "Halloween Massacre."
The admiral ordered 212 employees to hang up their
cloaks and put away their daggers ? the ninfiber
ultimately would reach 820. That same night. Oct.
31, 1977, as pink slips were carried home all over
town, Turner threw "a Halloween party for
spooks," and guests ducked for apples.
This twist of Turner humor ? to begin the over-
haul of the clandestine service on the night of ghosts
and ghoulies ? must have appealed to the director's
sense of irony. For there was much about the
tweedy, expensive clothes and the convoluted mind-
?
,
sets of the clandestine people that went against the
grain of his own straight arrow mind. .
This year, the Turners' Halloween party featured
"graves" of agency enemies, dangling skeletons,
and a game for the 60 pests of guessing how many
pumpkin seeds there were in a jar, There were 667.
Iran's Crown Prince Reza guessed 650 and his. prize,
was a packet of jelly beans. There are those Who
, would argue today that the Crown Prince's jelly
beans are more a a reward than the CIN would,
earn for its Iran estimates. " =. . ?
"My father left a small mill town in Lancashire
Called Ramsbottam when he was eight or nine."
Turner says: "His older brother and an uncle had
emigrated to Chicago and he and his widowed
mother joined them. Oliver Turner didn't finish
high school. He started out as office boy, worked his'
?
*ay up, and eventually founded a real estate
Company and diclyell. ?
See TURNE
The Director: 'Times have changed
After having five directors in as many years and
surviving a four-year battering that turned kntn a
national debate about what kind of intelligence serv-
ice Americans want, the CIA is beginning to get its
act together again; insists the Director of Central
Intelligence, Others are not so sure.
Stansfield Turner, thinks the agonizing nubile de-
bate over the CIA is over. "I think we've turned the
corner. And we're on the offensive, not the defen-
sive.- We've got an important mission for the coun-
try. We're doing it well. We're doing it legally. We
don't have to take any more guff."
But to many, Turner personifies a CIharnstrung
with restrictions, a cold depersonalized operation
with its own captain but with all orders coming from
the White House and Congress. What some would
prefer is a skipper who would take the ship down to
?lie quietly on the bottom while the depth charges ex-
ploded above them, -
Opinion on` Turner varies. A former National Se-
eurity Council staffer says: 'He's intelligent, a .good
field commander, but he leaves a lot of distressed
people in his wake. The main charge I've heard is',
that he suppressss dissenting views. This make S the
, material less reliable to the wider intelligence coin-
munity. And, #there's the feeling that he'll do -
- whatever the president wants.
Ray S. Cline, director of Soviet studies at the Cen-
ter for Strategic f and International Studies, says.
Turner is Moving in the right direction ill analysis of
intelligence. "The 'criticisms you get all have to do
with the other role of the CIA, the clandestine opera-
-. impression is that Turner isn't interested
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in the operations side and that he hasn't been able to
counter the deterioration of the last five years and
get the clandestine services working again.'
' Covert operations," Cline says, "the interirehing
in political events abroad', are virtually deac4-ex-
cent perhaps for feeding a Tittle propaganda to for-
eign newspapers to counter Soviet manipulation of
the news." ?
"But I'm not sure anyone could do much better,
considering the hamstringing of the agency," he
adds. "A new bill containing 250 pages of restric-
tions and monitoring provisions demonstrates a
punitive attitude in the administration and \congress,
to the CIA. I don't think we an live with that. You
have to take some riskS. There are a' lot ef crises
coming in the next few years. Tgrner Would Say that
his intelligence is still very pOd because, of the
technical intelligence. But that mostly relates tO
large countries. It gives no information about the,
intentions of people. You heed human intelligence
for that. You can't take satellite pictures of inten-
tions."
' Turner disagrees. "Only the newspapers ? and
,Ray Cline say I rely too much on technical intelli-
gence, key's a fine fellow. I like him. He's out of '
date. He hasn't understood what I waltrying to do.
But I've fought for the clandestine serviee.
they're stronger and better than, they were a year
ago. I have no intention of downgrading th`hl. I'm
here to make this, a strong clandestine service for
1988 as Well as,1978. I'm not playing for )nst, the
short run."
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MONDAY, NOVEMBER 27, 1978
'IV TOI\fIGIIT
It's 'White Shadow
'Waverly Wonders' out
By Bernie Harrison
V,rashington Star Staff Writet
NBC's "Waverly Wonders" came and went e swish
- dunk over and out, with Joe Namath as the high school
basketball coach, and here's CBS tonight, with the pre-
miere, of another series about a coach of a high school
? team who is called "The White Shadow" (WDVM-9 at
8). There's one imMediate difference in favor of the
CBS project. -
. ) '
, They've got an actor, and a good one ? Ken Howard
-- to play the title role, not a sports personality.
Another difference? This is drama ? not laughtrack
ha-ha -- and when you 'consider that the school is
named Carver (George Washington) id Los Angeles,
and that the basketball program he takes over is in a
shambles, you can antipipate the story and the coach's
problems, and what "The White Shadow" is a euphe-
mism for.
Some of the kids aren't exactly amateurs, either;
there's Jason Bernard (Willis), from "Car Wash," and
one of Robert Hooks' sonsv Kevin, growing up fast,
Jason Bernard and -Joan Pringle play the school,'
principal and vice Principal.
It's an MTM production, another plus. The minuses?
? The predictability of the attitudes and what happens
and the scene itself, with its inevitable overemphasis
of sports and the cpach's role as a one-Man everything
(including social worker, counselor, etc.) Whatever
happened to concepts like ;.`Rouni 2,22?" TV is not only
late with this one, but laboring on the wrong court.
As it happens, "Little House on the Prairie" (WRC-4
at 8) also features a lot of young actors --- as blind stu-
dents being led to their new- school in Walnut Grove,
with Charles Ingalls and Joe Kagari (Moses Gunn), the
town's only black resident; kuiding them. Lots of ac-
tion in Wineka,before they leave in the opening seg-
ment of a tina-parteri I'd stick with 'tittle House."
The movie
'e Adams st
hi there pitching
for the good roles
'By Judy Flander
wasieiteten Star Staff Writer
HOLLYWOOD ? They don't make
singing Comediennes like Edie Adams
any more, s.
, Brazenly blonde and curvy, warm and
gutsY;=_Make-tip artfully layered on, she
totters in confidently on spike-heeled
shoes with ties at the ankles that end in
gold tassels, her bright dress "fanny-
wrapped" with a matching scarf; on one
of her long scarlet-tipped nails she wears
with a flourish an enormous antique ring.
During' a luncheon interview, she's nib-
bling on salad because, she says, she's
been on 'a diet since she was three. ?
Her nearsighted large blue kohl-out-
lined eyes are fitted with soft contact
lenses that give her perfect vision ? to a
distance of IS feet ? "so I don't fall off
the stage." mit to correct her astigma-
tism, so she can drive, she carries a pair
of rhinestone-laden glasses to which she's
had added, in each corner, a rhinestone
teardrop.
She's St. She looks terrific:
And television audiences will get a
very special look at the actress, Edie
Adams, when she appears in the upcom-
ing NBC movie "Fast Friends." Her
role., as 'an agidg, alcoholic singer who
makes a come-back on a talk show, is
smell, but because of it, Adams is reborn
on televison.
"This incident really happened, as I
understand Adams says, "to Sandra
Harmon (writer/producer of ,"Vast
Friends") when she was working on a
talk show. She got the idea of using poor,
dear Judy Garland for an entire hour but
when it came,time; she had to go over,
PO1# black coffee into her and get her to
the studio.; Then they glue her together
with the Makeup and the eyelashes and
then there's that transition when the
lights go on. fjust loved it."
Edie Adams
'.When Adams makes that transition in
"Fast Friends," she'll' give you chills.
With her face, soft anct blurry at the
edges, and her voice, trembly at first,
then sweet and pure, she is incandescent.
If, despite her gaudy everyday get-up,
Edie Adams also looks maternal, it may,
be because she's had a houseful of kids
ever since she married the late comedian
Ernie Kovacs in 1954. She and Kovacs
had a daughter, Mia, now 19. Son Joshua,
9, is the product of a five-year second
marriage to Hollywood businessman,
Martin ? , and stepdaughter Carrie,
16, came with Adarne current marriage
to jazz trumpeter Pete Candoli.
When Kovacs was killed in a car crash
in 1962, Adams wholeheartedly inherited
his two daughters from his first mar-
riage, Kipple and Bette, then 11 and 15
(who had been living with the couple
since they were married), along with a
$600,000, 17-room Coldwater Canyon
house that had a waterfall indoors and,
See ADAMS, C-4
alent on the dinner circuit
Bright spots found at 1-f4r19cpiiii pci Lazy Stan
By David Richards , "The King and I" is the more moving
Washington Star Staff Writer of the f?yo, but "Oliver" has more gusto.
If you relish Broadway musicals in All other things being equal (and they
their full-grown (or full-blown) state, it pretty much are),,a choice between them
goes without saying that dinner theaters boils down to whether you prefer pictur-
esque Dickensian squalor or the gilded
exoticism of the Orient,
are not the place to see then?.
? The sets, costumes and special effects
have invariably been scaled down, and
the chorus thinned out, where thinning is
possible. The music is apt to be pre-
recorded, if it's not, it's played by arnere
handful of musicians. The big production, -
numbers are usually rather modest, at-
testing tq the fact that a good choreogra-
pher is hard to find.
In both cases, though, you be re-
warded by a lead performance that tran-
scends the limitations of dinner,theater
and suggests that it would be very much
at home on one of the city's larger profes-
sional stages. ? '
At the Harlequin, it is delivered
Mary Ellen Nester, who bringa an ex:-
What you may occasionally dispover, traordinary ambunt of grace and well-
. however ? occasionally ,enough to make bred charm to the role of Anna, the deter-
looking in on the dinner theaters a legiti- , mined governess originally played by
mate pastime ? is a stirPrisingly full=
grown performance. Young talent has to Gertrude Lawrence. Nester is a fine-look-
ing woman and she sings with limpid ele-
gance. But she is also doing some' amaz-
ingly delicate balancing. Never`once
over-stepping the lady-like confines of
the role, she manages to project iron-clad
strength and an inviolable sense of
con-
vi'ction. If a rock and a butterfly could
? mate, their offspring might have qua!
straps ? ? Wei like these.
You can see it happening on two of Our
dinner theater stages right now? at the
Harlequin Dinner Theater (in Rockville,
Md.), which is presenting ' The King and
I"; and at The Lazy Susan Dinner Thea-
ter (in Woodbridge, Va.); which has
turned to "Oliver" for the holiday sea-
-"The King and I" is Rodgers and Ham-
. merstem's 1951 musical about the adven-
tures'of an English governess in the
Court of Siam, a century or so ago,
"Oliver" is Lionel Bart's 1960 musical
about the adventures of Oliver Twist in a
court of beggars and thievei. Both
productions are better than average.
Both have strong, melodic scores, una-
shamedly sentimental books and, per-
haps not go coincidentally, a gaggle of
children in the cast. (Dinner theaters,
after' all, de cater to the familP trade .)'
train somewhere and dinner theaters are
about all that's available these days.
There, in the midst of a show that is
doing its honest and earnest best to enter
-
tarn', is a Performer wh6 is more than
earnest and honest ? one who is, in fact,
pulling up the show by its very boot-
At the Lazy Susan, the winning per-
formance is that of Joseph Mullin, who is
t playing Fagin, the mastermind of a ring
of child pickpeckets. Mullin's work is ef a
? different nature, but it's just as sure. He
is giving us a grand caricature. Were i,t
not for the multi-colored silks spilling
from Ids overcoat, you'd swear he'd just
= been drawn for the evening by an. illus-
trator with a devilishly wicked pen.
His body is as bent as his principles,
while his nose is as sharp as his voice. He
has the eyes of an eagle, but he moves
like a sewer rat. Let him cozy up to his
treasure chest, those eagle eyes 'monied-
,
tarily? softening with true affection, and
' you find yourself thinking that the mAnis
worthy of Moliere. For Mullin, who just a
show ago was playing the sturdy patn
?arch in Shenandoah,"" it's a boldly ir?
pressive switch.
"IT WAS THE BEST BUTJER," SAID
THE MARCH HARE . . Mow White
Housers raved about that Jimmy Car-
' 'ter's Surprise Birthday blow-out, flung
last month aboard Air,Fbrce One, on the
night back from Florida. Oysters, birth-
day cake; the works. And just a couple of
days ago, each White House Mess mem-
ber got his own surprise: A bill for $17.
CON BRIO, A LITTLE NIGHT MUSIC
. Brace yourselves, Earwigs. When
91-year-old pianist Artur Rubinstein Con-
' cordes in Dec. 3 from France for the big
KenCen gala, spouse'
tag along.
Ic
' Everyone, you a-v., has been avidly,
awaiting his young friend and secretary,
Annabelle Whitestone. Ear found out why
"And I Alone Survived" (WRC:4 it 9) is another
survival Story in seemingly impossible wilderness
conditions.' Thlzheroine: Loren Elder, eland by Blair
Brown. the setting, the Sierra mouritai.4*here the
See TV TONIGHT, C-S
the sWitch; His hostesS-to-be, D.C.'s
grandest grande dame, Mrs. Robert Low
? Bacoq, sent him an icy wee telegram: "if
you don't bring your wife, you won't be
welcome." Artur tipped his hand to Nela.
Ear tipped its hat to Mrs. Bacon. Uncle
Oscar tips its 4,4 to Artur.
TRUTH DOESN'T COME ON LITTLE
CAT FEET. . . Dreadful news, darlings.
Remember Ear's absolute Nye tale this
year? The cat which died after eating
some party salmon, whereupon the host-
ess buzzed all her guests to have their
stomachl umped, and next clay-a neigh-
bor roll ?,4 to tell her that kitty had
been hit y a Car? Well., Jeering Earwigs
nationwide howl that it's not new.
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They've heard it in China 40 years ago.
. .
_starring a ,Pekinese, mushrooms, and a
dckshawt? in France 30 years ago, with a
Siamese cat, cold chicken and a tlicycte;
in the Phillipines 20 years ago, featuring
a Boxer, potato? salad and a taxi' ,n a fire
station near Wheaton 10 years age with a
Dalmatian, catfish, and a fire eOgine.
And-just the other day, writes lk.gt: Dis-
gusted from Detroit, it was on a couple, of
teevee shows, where two totally cl:ifferent
folks said it happened to theit perionally.
Ear is bitterly disillusioned. "What is
,Truth?" it Inquired wistfully o Uncle
f
i
0 car. He was still tippihg hi- _hat to
ftir Rubinstein, and paid nct tent-ki
whatsoever. Tomorrow: Truth in Ear
Watch carefully,
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C-2 The Washington Star Mono, November 2,7, 1978
AGE', 'The Old Boys' are
Continued From C-I
Turner denies the agency is 'being
hafrieleung. "Having to report to
eighlpornmittees of Congress oncov-
ert action is confining but the rest of
theserestrietions people are talking
above are all involved in the protec-
tion of the rights of American citi-
eedi and this really it not a major
part-Of our activities: These restric-
tionse,which we all want, are not that
hanetteinging.? ?
Coenplaints from the Old Boy net,
largely centering on the clandestine
opeeitions issue, remain nettlesome
to eheedireptor.
!Tee been a staunch supporter of
the -clandestine service and have
gone, to bat ter therh. Like that
speech at the National Press-Club.
What am I dOing'theee? I'm defend-
ing the clandestine service's right not
to teyeal its sources. I don't do that
to promote morale but because that's
what's necessary to have an effective,
clandestine operation. And if they
continue to believe they're effective
their morale will be good. But it is
uponuch up."
ffuctions in the clandestine secy.
l
icee"gave the younger clandestine
people more opportunity, and that's
percefated down. As a result of this
we'ye cleaned out . . . not dead
woad, but excess wood. They were
good' wood, but excess. They' had tpo
rnanY, of them, So there are More
presnotions in the clandestine service
this year than ever before.",
Regerding 'risk-taking' in the
clandeseine service the Admiral says
flatly": "the clandestine-service ie out
of besiness if it doesn't take risks.
Mosb1 rhe Old boy network is sub-
consciously upset because covert ac-
tin is, more difficult today. But I've
been here 1 moeths and ehere's only
one covert action I would like to have
tetibn is rtioto difficult.
Caracas talent
Ballet Internacional de Caracas
completed its first local season with
a showing of "Rodin Mis en Vie,'' a
dance work-more equally matched to
the artistic gifts of this company than
most selected for the weeklong run at
the NationaiTheater?
In "Rodin," choreographer Margo
SaPpiegton gives life and movement
' to a. 'series of sculptures by the
Ftenchman who was drawn to cap-
tering dance. Creased for the Hark-
, nese Ballet in 1e/4 and set to a banal
? score by Michael Kamen, the work
ranee from the. empty to the stun-
ning. Passages for The Eternal Idol,
The Athlete, and for The Kiss- were
inspired( end far more interesting
undertaken that we didn't. In short,
there are not Many covert action
opportunities toddy that would be
useful and effective for our country.
"The times have changed since we
could overthrow a government in
Guatemala or Iran. The country nei-
ther wants to do, that kind of thing
nor is it really as dO-able as it was 30
years ago. -
"The Old Boys are upset because
the elan, the fun of going out and not
only finding intelligence but influenc-
ing events is over. It was more vi-
brant here in the past. It was more
vibrant in the military in the past!
Every time there was a snioke signal
we sent the fleet off over the horizon.
We don't do that any more. And
they're just beginning to learn that
here.
"It's intereseing because sceinany,
experiences here are just fiVe. or 10
equals program
than those sections that ,were merely
pale copies of the familiar forms.
The Burgers of Calais seemed to
leap from the Hirehhorn Garden into
a drama of friend?hip and searching
in which the physical beauty of the
Caracas men became even mote
comp'elling in flowing gowns with the
patina of old bronze. The piece closed
erith an inferno scene more like
Dante or Besch than Rodin but
memorable nonetheless. ?
Sp ended the first major American
visit of a company blessed top to bot-
torn with dancers of major caliber; if
their repertoire attains the same
level cif distinction, their next visit
should be outstanding.
?; Anne Marie Welsh
yeats',, behind - MY. Military exper. .,1`terner refrains trom cernment on
encee.' The, attack on this agency ,wfiat even Preside Carter- cansid-
came aboet 1974, The attack on the en s serioue intelligence failure in
military came in 1970. The elan of Iran. "His argument is how can we
charging off into the wild blue yonder proye we had good intelligence with-
in the military has changed too. But out showirig it to you," CIA spokes-
they'll get used to the changes. Be- man Iferb Mete says. And on another
cause' what' left to be done is more cUttent- anxiety, th'e question of
important than it was in the past . . , whether or not a "mole," a double
intelligence as opposed to covert ac- agent, has worked himself into the
tion. top ranks of the CIA, Hein say's: "It
iveuld be foolish for the director to be
absefutely categorical in denying
that", 'mole' exists, but in his best
judgment he believes there is not."
A top Pentagon official sees CIA
directors ai "reflectieg what edinin-
istradone want at any given time.
There have been more 'outsider'
director ? than 'insiders', so Turner
isn't uniqtee Four star admirals like
to run the ship from the bridge. The
idea of a strong command lipe never
leaves them, He likes everYthinglo
fit into that tight little iipe. . bing,
bing, bins. Also he's a syttems
analyst who likes to condense every-
thing to- a neat statistical matrix.
Terrier's- uneasy with words, which
means he has tendencies opposed to
those intelligence agents who want to
caveet everything, '
Retired Admiral Elmo "Bud"
the only outsider , am the guy vot- Zumwalt recommended Turner for
ing to take the risk.' - several important Navy posts in the
"NowI don't say they, were wrong paet. But he sees the CIA as "bl-
and I was right? If I really thought I creasingty acting as t propaganda
was right ,I'd have ovdr-ruled them* arm of the presidency rather than
But I'm perfectly willing to take absolutely ruthlesdabout coming out
risks, that's what I'm paid hr. And with objective criteria.," This tilting
the whole organization knows that. If, towards presidents began with Henry
I let you talk to the ciendestiee'peo- Kiteinger, Zuthwalt says, and today
pie they would not producemany ht _
stances where they suggested erisk
that I wouldn't. take. I've firmed
some down, of course."
"I don't feel circumscribed in tak-
ing the appropriate risks. I think
we're- being triore judicious in evalu-
ating those risks. Now maybe the Old
Boys also sense that, But I tell you,
when you look at the mistakes that
have been made here in the past be-
cause people didn't ask 'ft it worth
it?' Some of the thiogs for which they
were. most criticized weren't worth
doing. They didn't Measure the risk
against the benefit. Now we're doing
that. Aod if they think that means we
aren't willing to take risks they're
full of baloney!
"I sat at that table recently with
all CIA professionals around the
table and I said '1,want. to do this-,
now vote!' Every one of them voted
no:1 said 'OK gentlemen, you win, I
just want the record to show that I ?
"carter makes ,public statements
arid the next CIA analyses lean in
that direction." _
CIA morale in the ?field is so low,
he insists, "that if you evaluate on a
one-to-10 scale in comparison with
the KGB, the CIA would have gotten'
a five at its highest effectiveness.
Right now they operate at the level of
one. The KGB operates at eight."
Zumwalt blames Carter rather
than Turner. "I don't think anyone at
the CIA could perform differently
given a president who operates from
the naive base Mr. Carter operates
from, who thinks that the same ideo-
logical and theological orientation
effective at Camp David with two
religious men can be applied to the
Soviets. So they're taking him right
arid left. And Admiral Turner is giv-
ing the president exactly what he
wants, which is what one should ex-
pect from a loyal presidential ap-
pointee."
Turner flatly denies that he has
politicized the agency's intelligence
reports for the benefit of the adminis-
tration: "What' you are seeing is a
greater openness regardless of
whether it supports or detracts (from
adminiration positions). I'm not in
the policy game. I'm declassifying
what can be'de-classified. Sometimes
I'm praited and' sometimes I'm
clamed. I'm not here to undercut the
president but I'm not here to support
him in a political sense; because I
have ta be objective."
He also denies the accusation that
he restricts dissenting views in CIA
analyses. "If there is one thing I
have done successfully it is to
emphasize minority views in the
intelligence reports. You can't find
anybody that would deny that I've
driven footnotes out because before I
came here I never read the footnotes.
I assumed they came from some wild
guy who had to dissent.
'Today if a dissent is necessary it
goes right in the text of the estimate.
You have to read it. Then 'the deci-
sion maker's got the- whole pictUre.
am just excited what it's done to im-
prove the estimating process and I'm
curlews to know who accused me of
suppressing minority views. If I
knew I'd probably hang him up by
his thumbs . . ." ?. ?
He is not embarrested by the
Arkady Sheychenko case in which it
was revealed that the forinet Soviet
diplemet had spent large sums Of
CIA-provided money On p woman. "I
don't want to be a prude. I don't ap-
,
prove in my own life of the kind of
things Shevchencko was doing. But
it's his private life. He's an unmar-
ried man. He has the right to do what
he likes with his money and his spare
time. We're trying to help him transi-
tion inrciebeine an American, without
invading- hes constitutional, and legal
rights to privecy.
"He hasn't done anything crimi-
nal. We had no part in his private
female 'companionship relations. We
did not, pay him to pay her. We paid
him what he deserves on the grounds
of what he is doing for us. I'm proud
we have a country that will attract a
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medium of doing business. If I have
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compromise between efficiency and
security. I think the whole govern-
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rather than to secure ways of han-
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'RN.Tt:. 'CO- the CIA ride out the . stpkin itts?. job? Sturdy Stan t
Continued From C-t
Turner's family were Sufficiently
. well off enough to give their children
good; educations. Stansfield attended
Amherst, Annapolis and Oxford.
He admits to being "more of a cut-
up? at Amherst than at Oxford later, ,
although his pranks were clearly in
the Good Clean Fun category: "One
thing r did that was fun was getting
hold, orthe master key and locking
the whole fraternity, in their rooms
onenight." ,
-
At Ainherst, Turner broke briefly
with, his lifekmg teetotalism. "I was
opposed to drinking when I went ta
Amherst but pretty soon I gave in
and Went out with the boys for a beer
and I Was a regular drihker from
theri 1949 'when my Vrother was
killed. in automobile' 'accident
where drinking was iiivolved, I de-
cided t_hen that the dangers weren't
worth it and gave- it- up. surely
never missed it."
As CIA chief Turner is now having
"a running b'attle" albeit gentle-
rnahly7--with the current president of
AtiTherst. "He wants to know' what
relations the CIA had in the past with
Amherst, before we foreswore deal-
ing with campuses. We feel that if we
made an agreement in the past 'and
said we'd keep this secret that we
won't disclose our past sources any
More than our present sources.''?
His old friend William fi,?Webster,
now head of the Federal Bureau' Of
Investigation, laughs when asked if
he led Turner, astray at Amherst,
"Probably!' liut Stan wag a very
straight arrow. His nickname was
'Sturdy Stan': My wild days were
after Stan left. Maybe my role model Asked if he di4. any hell-raising,
cut me loose and I misbehaved after Turner demurs, and then says: "I
he left. . ?" pushed- the present chairman of
They were both members of The Honeywell up,a drainpipe to. get into
Sphinx Honor Society, and wore the his college after hours one mght. And
black pork pie hats with purple one evening after an all-melt ball,,
,stripes that marked members ot the former president of the Culver-
what ,,Webster calls "the epitome of sity of Virginia, Edgar Sharimin, and
what was best at Amherst, the junior I went punting. My friend negotiated
* leaders.1 think Stan was president." a curve in the river very deftly and
The fact that Sturdy Stan was tw'o' couples in another punt ap-
steadily climbing the rungs of the plauded his remarkable feat. You
i
Navy ladder is something Webster have to understand that we're n
would have exPected. What neither white tie and tails. And Edgar Shan-
could ever anticipate, however, is non,. standing in the stern of, the
that one day they would head the CIA punk, bowed to the applaAse and .
and FBI respectively''- "Mr. Inside ( went right in the river."-
and Mr. Outside", as Turner terms
them.
Today they meet at Webster's
'shop' or Turner's-'a friendship
must make J. Edgar Hoover, who re-
sented the CIA, turn in his grave.
They see each other at the security
coordinating meetings at the White
House. And play 'tennis together
regularly, Webster refuses to say
who wins, "It's very close," he says
tactfully.
At Annapolis, Turner was a guard
on the Navyfootball team. He gradU-
ated 25th academically and first mill.'
tarily in'a class of 820. He remem-
bers his fellow midshipman Jimmy
Carter as' "a quiet, very friendly
Southern young man" b,ut they didn't
know each other well.' "You dOn't
when you live in a 4,000-man dorm,
unless you have clubs in common Or
live near each other.", They came to
know each other later when Turner
was head of the Naval War College at
' Newport. He invited the governor of
Georgia to lecture, as part of his
policy ef broadening the education of
naval officers studying there.
Turner went to Oxford as a Rhodes
Scholar. in 1945 for two and a half
years. There, he says "I was just
another blooming Yank." There was-
n't much tearing- down to London.
'We had three very intensive terms,
and a lot going on at Oxford. You're,
supposed ,to do a lot of your serious
studying , on your vacation._ We
Americans would pack up a bunch of
books, head for the French Riviera
and chase around. We stayed away
from England for vacations be'cause
right after the war the food was bad, ,
the climate was bad, so as soon as we
got out of school we'd grab the, boat
train and head fOr the sun.
He found it intellectually stiMulat-
ing. "Every evening there were so
many things you could do: the Anglo-
Israeli Club learning one side of what
now is the Camp David issue, the
next week the Arab Club where you'd'
hear terrible things about Lord Bal-
four and his r9le in setting up ISrael.
(Then Palestine.) I'm proud of my-
self, too,because Kenneth Clark was
a- teacher:and I used to go to lec-
tureS. wasn't taking art. I, was
reading PPE (Philosophy, Politics
and Econbmics). But that was the,
kind of broadening opportunity Ox- ?
ford offered. And unlike American
universities there wa's no stigma-
about wanting to study.' ,
?Washingtoa Star Photographer Walter Oates
The Turners 411d HornOloyver
- A fellow Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, Well, later I checked Time and there
Pittsburgh University Chancellor wasn't a scintilla of evidence that
Wesley Posvar, admits hewas was a would give Pollitt something to work
bit surprised when the Carter admin*, on. It was just a total lie, whickWas
ist ration chose Turner for the CIA. "I very illustrative to me of my now-
,was surprised they were that smart! long experience of dealing with
He was an obvious choice4, a bat- communism. `
, anced internationalist with a military "That was one of my first rubs
, background, a scholar and intellec-, with it. }fere was a man who was
tual and a man Who understands willing to Re where he couldn't be
national security far better than proved wrong - in the middle of the
, many others whose names were men- night in the Rhondda Valley. ?
, tinned." - "The next day there was a two-col-
Posvar calls his old friend "a umn headline in the ,Daily Worker:
pretty straight guy. He behaved then, 'Chicago Gangster ' Invades
at Oxford, as he does today. The only Rhondda:' It was about me 'invading'
difference is a little gray hair." with my gun molls . . my tutor's
two spinster 'sisters. I had a Morris
Tbrner retells an Oxford expert- Minor but they accused me of riding
ence vividly: ? ' in my big black limousine with my
"My tutor, Herbert Nicholas, was rnolls. It was very, very revealing,,,
writing a book about the 1950 election'
when Churchill unsuccessfully sought * * *
to unseat Atlee. I had an automobile Stansfield and Pat Turner live in a
and I drove him all around the cowl- pleasant admiral-size house on, the
try to interview politicians. One night grounds of the US. Naval Observe-
we were in the Rhondda Valley.-.. a' tay. It is the first time a CIA chief
very poor coal mining area which. has lived in such a "safe house," Pat
was very CorrununiSt oriented, Turner explains, which makes the
"We went to hear Harry Pollitt, CIA security people "very happy. . .
the secretary general of the British we benefit from the security that
goes with the vice president living up
here." ?
A comfortable, placid woman, Pat
Turner says she has little'curiosity
Communist Varty, whose constitu-
ency it was., We went with my tutor's
two sisters who Were spinster school-
teachers. Pollitt described Mr. For-
restal, the American secretary of
defense, as so typical of the paranoid
American capitalist that he'd jump
out of a window if he heard a siren go
by, thinking it was the signal for the
Russian invasion.
I challenged the statement and he
put down A five-pound note and said
All bet you five pounds it was in
Time magazine. That's my 'soave,'
about "the secrets" her husband
carries. This even extends to their
son, Navy Lt. Geoffrey Turner, who
is presently doing post-graduate
work at the Naval Post Graduate
School in Monterey,-Cal. "I don't
know the subject of his thesis. He
can't tell me. He and 'my husband
talk but I have to go out of the room,"
she sayl. Asked if she isn't tempted
to listen, at the door Pat Turner
laugh': "It's all gobbledygook and
code words I couldn't understand."
She has been a voracious reader of
spy yarns for longer than her hus-
band has ken in the nation's No. 1
spook. While,John Le Carre is some-
what complicated, she admits, point-
ing to "The Honorable Schoolboy"
which she is reading, "it gives you a
feel for the dreary part of the espio-
nage business `which contains so
intich tedicrus work."
Pat Turner has in4tigated the first
Organized wives meetings in 'the
history of the CIA. Some 28 wives of
"top section leaders" now meet fel-
lunch once a month. "A lot of the
lesser woman just can't do it because
their husbands are not acknowledged
as working for the CIA.
"I felt they needed a little togeth-
erness, they've been picked on so
much and taken so much criticism. I
think they're wonderful, dedicated
people who've been unjustly treated
by the press."
Pat Turner 'dabbles; at sculpture,
painting, c011age; she can unstop
Sinks, garbage disposals and toilets;
wire plugs and re-wire lamps; hang
wall paper and paint walls. "The
hardest thing a Navy wife has to face
is the change from being very compe-
tent while the husband is at sea to
giving up the bankbook and the keys,
and' becoming a nice little hausfrau
when he comes home," she says.
, During their marriage they have;
lived in Washington, San Diego, New-
port, Long Beach, Honolulu and
Naples, Italy, the last post before the
CIA. There, where Turner was in
charge of NATO's southern flank,
they had magnificent villa over-
'
looking the Bay of Naples --"the
most elegant I've ever lived in,"she
says calmly, without any note of nos-
talgia.
They courted in Carmel, Cal.,
where Pat was secretary to a Chris-
tian Science lecturer. Ten years
earlier in Highland Park, near
Chicago when they were both 12
years old, they had attended the
same Christian Science Sunday
school class. Their couiling ran to
dancing on the beach at Carmel, both
dreamy after, seeing "An American
In Paris' and to walking by moon-,
,
light along he beach in Chicago.
During their first years togahir
they managed well enough on his
Navy salary, together with "what
he'd saved at Oxford."-She had "a.
small inheritance" tkat helped some,,,
with the children's education. In 196
"his grandmother died and left hial: ,
third of her estate." Turner's salary.
today is $57,500. ,
.
As an active Christian Scientisr-2-
they attend the Sixth Church- of';
Christ Scientist-Pat Turner does` nOt:-
take medications, even aspirin. " /
don't need it. I've only had five head-
aches in my whole life. We do o, to'
dentists and I wear glasses and
father-in-Taw had hip surgery",` she
adds as an illustration that they 4rd.,
not such strict Christian Scientist's as
those who refuse any medical aid: .
They both' pray regularly and read /,'?,*
weekly lesson. Pat Turner says she'
has, found pra$7er helpful in healing
"many physical prnblerris".
Turner is an intensely religidus?
man. "A few minutes of contempla-*
tioit and prayer at the beginning, 'of
the day helps you off to the right
start and puts things in perspective,".'
Turner says. "You're' not as impor-'4
tant as you thodght you were." -
They like "to be in nature'
gether" and still manage to Walk in
the woods here in Washington-with
out a security man trailng along. Ancr*--
v!,,hile they no longer dance on mobil- 3,"
lit beaches, now they're in their 50?,
there is some frivolity-such as
sled he gave her last Christmas. Pat
Turner sledded over the hills of the
Observatory compound last Winter;
with their golden retriever Horn:
blower at her side.
Then every evening before bed,
there's a 23-year-old tradition of the .
three games of double solitaire. "He
gets off all his inhibitions and lets Off
steam. On Mother's day he beat' inTe
in 17 games. Hornblower sits under
the table and Stan tells him what naii- '
takes I'M making."
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The lecture will also feature, a
color film, "Castles of the Kingdorn,;"
that includes the home of Prince ,de
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