MINUTES OF MEETING HELD IN ROOM 7117, (SANITIZED) ON THURSDAY, 20 NOVEMBER 1947 AT 2:00 P. M.

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A . I s 3 s I wit to asks it quite oar that avqUdag I sir is aq
oaw apiMdon -
DI R s They id U all lp b.* Win.
U. LNtZIS: As the Chief of Naval Inteellig nce aid net as a n~authr
pieee of this Ssorstary. I ha'* not gone to bin and I have no intaotinn of
doing it -
th RECT'?R t 'la mill have to do it.
M YS. r tt S t On w as tiin-g in i i ch I as in doubt. There will be
another prooessin of this.
Di R C'f( $ ?hi National Sec: rity Council will sand thaw o. t a ia.
Al [. Iil (t$ s I itauld like to nahoe this Wit. You got a little
1* from the partiaipating a enciss seething over a month ago. I feel
a lot of tine and oontrowersy and tiwt - especially time - on the part of
the intellignlos a i"# Who are quite busy, if matters of this hind
could be handled in a os l tten an the vwpkljag lewd so that these dLt MSi,
and ther9 an mesas ditty in all of these papersf oauld be r cari-
eiLd before they was ever brought up to ow level, I realise the Cea sl
AMM had gores tbrou& a process of rsorgaaisat ion because of
Iatelti~r+as
the passage of legislst.tnn i the position of the intelligsnae Advisory
Board# or Cotwittesf is not yet quite clear# so I an spaWcing more for the
fatere the the peat. But I think in the future it they aril be coordinated
by a woridog conAttes mad all of these diffasres oss we aired and iroresd out
and as possible reconoileds it dll any tins and ruffled tampers and "LU
erode out Y th a better job. Out of the 60 days,, 45 days hod been used before
it ca up to us. ?iaa13yy the Central Intelligence Agenq 0 on its am
initiative and ova authority,, pro&'sed Uwe* ms's with 15 days left to
consider t b=6 I think they #tw ]4 be arrmei wi as the are tbs~utlat+sd
rather than bas a flaishttsd prodimt to gaito it or loon it.
DIRECIt)Rs I "It, tJiok it is I old it or leaving it, but you did
have a de hair. I apes we out to try and set it woariaed out bsffcrr Indt
bet we had to rewite the t>ktit t and clear thew all moo a .
M. CH, s I asu3d like to add to A eimi Itadlise rewash that
the syst used hare is gdte ditf e tlt far us. I ash head of the intsl].lw'
grass depar"M4 setd I bale ow addscia t'S.aw x+iesporrpi il3.ttes and I
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sent fume it off and as at @n oelaoa " .3ae's 4MVMM . I hew to aea ate
am Lint for tbeae things beeauaS I b s" othw this to do. As for en I
M Goeoaaaaeiaaade I Qaar cat unpr srr+ed to ddieasiss Vww P "MV* iiy pwp3s hew
wriasd on tbw and they find aaa a VdUV that tt* r wnat to M/11. 2M*
am isorttnt diffhaayeeees of principle in o3wd is Una* pairaers that bwe
rrwar been approaabod nor am thsy- included in past d rives. I have set
heaei able to tale "was up with amen agf am aedlitaaaaayr d deft Md I
tbdaer that the praWM has been a w*wd in a my that to sfadte dim
game to the ooata tsag ag a of inW 14 geasarae.
DIRECT as I t trk twee ought to be the least &Were of opislaa t
in the "Us" % Security cmu dl is iNS.
(M. Mono g I suuid Ign to now a stabow At. Anal3ratai:s of tbeset
xeeeaaaeesuad
proposed dtratiiwS r vealed it is gois to be n*"W iarl for as to
MW aeogas. In rrt+sar of this, I wMaLow it wn3d be tarposcibis to sever
those dire ctives this aaftne ! and there aiaaya)d boa free ne Xtterwp t
d reaattitaaMre.
lucre to V into either the WI N or the ooeaalw .itt taane of US"
I rrooemd that an ed taalae IM tt t be foi*ed 1> w4& 'fir to W dst see
s~aaeea~eoearriaticarts and "am *IAA my of the other eaeils n. ba w for 00 puxpsss
of rew ad 3"ng hiewe Ian afraid? for the *Aft ttsae awilab3ay for oor
pawtpU to std tare Chimp send got to tlas * That rt ww# on this
3serse-le me are doing it. We *mot be grope tsd to do the warak of e at Dw
eeaewadtiaee. I don't thiaala; it is its e4ftt or pt ive of a oases
overall von se pr eft",
DI=)Ii am long do waat tbl* it waald taiao this aaseeeitte. to dt
(Mit. %e!' OMM s< th or three dogs.
AI*. IX =31 I *stiarte UM dais ULNIWM*
cm. XWOiAI t 'Cleat is ** tins of aowrd, sm-anus
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At. 0=(M if sa Its .ew to sore sae wasld sloe f MAIW sr prOVOW if it WO
handled in that vyr. As far en I = amewseds all I could do her. is di*-
cues the matter and same pr daaac that =u3A be t+ end up here I weutd have
to tale leads and Wt approval from the Claslaleiseddnea. We do have soft MtbW
fueaalaatwtel a~A31e to take to the dt reotiweae free ,ms's Wint of use.
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! IRSC1DRz Let's got a oommittce wpoiated and try cad get ti
=Mj3g this aftenuan. If that is the opixdM of OVW7
M. ltMMMMa I v& &L ssyo Adadrel, o1W analysis of the dir.ctiVss
3.d us to t~,s emalu*ion, in a nna*r of iportsnt respects, they CHOW to
tnclstls b& A6 pit ip' as esbsa osd in the WA deuces hoM
a oant g v;a1.i,+t ty, and in esetain otbw respects there were a vssisu
with ortain of those principles and inter of the Rational S. ryl ty Aet.
fps think a very considerable revis on of the diareotii+s-s wa, be n.000aar3
as they now st.Qrd m d we have ourselves prepared a series of sibsti It4ss asd
pro'ostls. a * u14 be F,)ad to present thin to you or an ad hoc eoed%UW
for corm dsration, along d th the wives &VfW here.
m RlC'!OK t Does e e rybody agree to two this ad boo aamdtte67
M. CRAMMM=, I r how tar ss ahvtcl+d IP into ,aces sute4010t-.
I ht confident you are doing to rind a great dsa1 of differ des of opipiM
on princi pl, especially on this ft "t directive - the one I had a Obanas
to read thorougly. Is it necessary that the CIA directives themselves
have such a h j& degree of preorisnce herre? 1RraI**Nt it be adtdssbl+s to
settle the princip]s in vtldah the Iati al 8.ecrx ty Council is ins olwd
etspemittos y by an Md hoc oomdttse and here, give them an addit anal jab
udran they oou ]at. those to gc into the DCI directivras.
DIR Ct *t she first four directives have to be in by the 26th.
The others can visit.
OEM. c1iu+EIERL t: I dm+t know iftefter you am meet that date.
If you can deft a the duties of this, the four principle dirsctiv s, to
the ad hoc aaseittse ttegr will. to such faster than the others - rater' thss1
Ulm the thole field for the ,comsat.
M RECTOR: The others can unit, but thus first four have to be in*
tZii. mommAW* In the msantiTe, bow would it be to request an
addttiroonal time period beyond the bA days lioitation, mhie) is pararcticel 7
over. And yon would got a much better prodao!-*
t. KMrjMWQ t I have a camber of reasons ' I think there would
be no opposition.
tai. Geist It 16 "'t tit our can dssh,~aartmsratet lined up before
they go to it thovo&''iy i n arsseee thin NO are going to ruu into
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ti iuoonOwdng period that will be - I von't say disastrous -
DIRECTt tt we would like to gut bms ins it ?auld be epoch bents.
Let's ktrook off this meeting and appoint rmimbsrs right now.
MN. $LoDOt&ALDz I have C010=1 Huaa tt.
sits. ix=3t Captain Davis.
''AR. 1, 5T N Gj* 14ro 'tbotb.
A. GIH CRi Cf t Ur. T rashart.
~ 4. GjjAuW HL1Nz Is them mW objection to haTI.1 g two? path Colo !
Ennis and Colonel Trascy. The ttdft caught us so short trs had to ssbs tie
ind.vi& al studies arxl neither 4ne yerrerr reached as, so I don't, %xuaw eat
they ar going to au tat I
it within the text day or ttD.
!)UtECTURt We am make a limitation of time for this cowmi tts heroo
ci N. Cl Dl Rl.TAt I should think they could report their findLup and
differences rather atapeditiously if they amificra themselves to the four
dir ativnr. However,, I noted as I scanned these that there is ratrsriel
in the DCI directives -
M RSC" a There are no origins for those.
M. CHAbs k .. IN i ibi.ch formearly appeared in the NIL directives and
incorporated into the DCI directness. ty opinion is so broad and fuadhb-
-renta4 but shouldn't it be in the N8C directlies. They esy haws to seem
them to find amt i at should be picked out and put in the higher order
direativea I night ssya but I dcn$t %hUft they *u3d bees to go into tkM
detail of the DCI direeti+ves. I - be wmn beta ut s I haven't riade err
detailed stub myself.
DIRIDCTDR t That is up to the oamari ttss. Letts can off o r Iltiag
and last the 0=od ties start.
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ADM, ' N ?CR s One point I sight meaati,ano t'ti].2y1 t yeate d iesnr't UPI~
to to sc provision is them first tao dirsctir+as hers for an Int llia
Advisory Coasittass or Board such as is sweated u sr our old s +.
while them is no specific provision in the NatdoNa $saurl.#t Ast for ast*
a vommittesa I think u indisatad *an laouLd be au4b a gze . And it
would asus to as lapo:tatnt that that be pvordMd for to this beads direstiws-s
aoasthing that is to operates etc. Can it be alafined?
M id='At You have yaw ad hoc roan .teas. in the law here it has
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V007 dad .d tal it maid ,rho wiu appoint coaad stew. The Secretary of S.flsas,
U Can of the Plemouro.$ Do t, and the Director of Cautaral tntas].i;gaenerw
ban the authority to appoint saw cad tt etas on that, ow 2401 pe u
may their intaapretation is that sine. the other peoplai were rams mantSo
t b" are not authorised to appoint coneeittese. I ms not a la ea.
AI N., MXGUMt I Watt tMOM of cape .1.., but yo+rr eowtdttee
is not indicated or laid dorss twos.
144 CI1IWdt T30y are cooing out tt the National Security Cou ail at
their directives and they camsot appoint eo aN ttte.
YU. ANSSTS41&at t*y am direct the MAWb r to appoint e.
A1711. 1NCUSs There u n't MW last W U& mays the National Sea arl-ty`
council eaumt appoint on**
1!R. CHILUBs bat noro saying they eats.
Aim. INGIMs You k w they an going to appoint oaaaai tteaw.
M. 1WSO** s These am are not akrinking violets - they have the
authority.
DIIflC VR# They havmu+t yet.
AIN. IN(ILSi So have a pater that i.s emWo +arsiel. Again it sees arlat
directly to the dsp artrsrtzts fm a takee it or loan it propa ttio n. it gM
beg rd do baro.u.e then* was diisrtata grad aroatxt~varW and people hadtatod
to set. Mwee tlai am be i3vood out an the woarid ug level and the vW
greae.d for ta- : pxmmrter action and use lx r is .
c1'gt. CFAVU=It = I would like to bring out ow feature - to on it is
a rather dougmons orw. I Mow I wou3d meaty object to it sya.lf as
a matter of principle. V&71* it should be ++a~aansidsxwd by this ,g that A
have.. Uwtber it was int. m Isd or not, but when this papw use vel.ttw , term
is, rs4 ubted]y, a strain in hew which is to drive a wedge between the chi
of the tnt.Lli. , - dep a 16, tti and his sapaari bomm they sw as
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a me np Mara and it as agave an papa r, the oehlsd's of tntsll
divisions, aaasdaousVit tome" Otwetims. It he haven't, then the
Cet:tlel IAt.1li8m es ohLsf has the rl, of appeal to go over their had to
41r 0. oeamtary. I w.ald lilte to aiis it seat ampbatio wheo I cam up
for the +SMONWy ad it I have doubts in the mutter it is up
Somw6my to find out iftAbw I arc on the tip and I
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paarsoeiaa2]y object to seeing that wsyas drivift beseuaww it daestarvjs wrAp2artra2T
command
DIRNC10N, There sea no Asti= of that. It it is a1.1it it past
tea the Seosebary CC ftft=s bes[bre it goes to UO Council,
am. Imam U1t The Beaa etee 7 of is AU rigbt1 but it sets
the Secretary of the dq*riwts acrd that parthiplas# I tbi *, is a wont
dangerous thing txvae a Military vi.ia oint and I would hate to earn it sup.
cllnded as a priucip20 IA the proeabureae of IfttA* I have ar tbiang to de.
AM.. atl>ic ;,t}is Those things uiu owe out in the as hoc ooa itt+se.
(';-N. CIUXXUi3.x8'= I iantad to call it to the attention ax" the ;ecp1e
hose
(Z. Xo dl.D* This Mad of afistivity resells to sdad some, of the nasty
features of the olyd VIA Directive Bss. +P# aids ;Ions so la .n y ress iisdsd.
DIRT Cl Rs 14tallsttf the 1l did.
N. rissDMLD s 'Am instigated it. This is the reviving of it.
Mi. CHA ZDs I sast1d be ineUvied to beep at a23. tiiaass bassos
I could be very . cb afraid it vino be appes2ed own a r heard.
DIRWMs Letts got our boys started hors. Air Forty ? Colonel
l saett j Arq - C'olocis1 i mi s aed Co lcesel T rea j l - Gsgatain Do"
State - Coln w] Booth and *r. t v" ABC -? W* Trcu*aar t. Can tWW al ba t
hore now Its plumed faar ties attiormft soirwr.
M. cnnM t.11 s Ar. they to oonoon the owelves only x4th t to first
four?
DI R :O10Es tames. I dd# do ou > to paint aI dy?
ZN. T=t I hs hardly In a pniticrae to dssirate a rai*. if )uu
vent 4nsxval Ctrumthsr - I tM he me" be Not as hspp r If be seanst
coded upon to tb it.
a. AIStsat3ll13s I vouid 00 49144 that the diasusaio only only be
confined to the first f~,our# beosuas our *Low Is that one of those
tSd as = ? ~ves Owu)A be NWV.
DI t4KC7t* s The first tour have to have a priority because they have
to go in.
ADAM. IRtLISs As a aiddls ground bstveasa those tow thaughto# lot us
amid-der the first lbur * directives with the addition of anything In
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in ttw DCI dirsati+recle wtai.~t the oc tttme feel sbcrctld be Lama posed to
the h5C direstivres.
m R C1Clts No, bsoauea the 'SC direotivei theorticrlly haw to be in
next vesciay. I mean there are no tivae limitation to the ott+sers. ',pan
can nem four or fourteen days.
'AR. ?NST"Cis I didn't now that I don't wrest the otherm to be
included mechaniclly.
,IJ W, iZ NCEU Q t The queati on before this ocwmaittoo - wousld tiwy G
No. 2 in o nneetinn with t ec i recttves?
i tt.C'": fit: I think that o4:g;ht to it until we ace ,at .-ses ,ut of
this xJIdttes.
ADM. UIM(RICHi I L21tr* it tors a hearing on the basic directive ..
Mather you appoint it, or hew.
?aR CD Rs Lot the o ait-tee dieRwaas it. Thiti I think, can wait unt$3.
ait r U006 ut i wars *Lave gone In*
Aim. & h $ s At the * n ent is we orating under the blanket au t aor tty
ut the Kati * el Sea ity Council mouse U Ay ay approved for a, die the
directives of its predecesear the Aiation 1. .ntolli, oa .uttxaritdr and in
turn authorised the int 1Ugeaae idvi on Hoard. 3o we havre that euUwAty
to not and appoint .nur regresentativres. And I Buick Burt is prc>par at the
anareatw. Is Uat ri,.ltt?
1)i: to MRi mink that is cietata s. Nor I don't think you can surd
up and mW it is ri j&t. A ng other thing the lilA want out of aariet shoe.
AU A. 1NuLISi Didn't the lational Security Council pick up the
directives and -Ay tha)r could remain in effect for 60 days?
DI I" s I don't Xamealmr the st stardm. 21 14 point t come qp
Iwo and I thick you can ieWo a good orwAs rit sitt r 'trige
uish. t is &&ItLIIz The Xati oral aritsllf gena~e Autbvrf ty created an I18.
So if the National Iatra33iietle~e Authority dixasti ,s are in effect far' 60
days t hers is autaerf-ti?eUy an 1A3 until the tearidz atden of that period.
i) "UZ7 Rs but on the other hand Con, ass cut off all of %hog* in
trine Act.
Al u, INCLISs ,thaut an extra low l arse.
D1Rk:GROci Poi` t ext+i"a. 1,9 out one an this one. One thing Au aim
owe of aecsj oft+w tins is Vat them v1 be no EA. The reported
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to the NU* The MA do?sa& t x" at, sho oan they report to?
AV X. I N CLI B i 84- Virtue of the Satim-t 8.urittiy Cou na i l approving
the old lilt directives.
DIRBC s It is not olaar at all on that. ' are losing time,
let this owodttw got started.
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