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title 3 would be obligated for $3 billion
or $6 billion. It is true that that $6
billion item is in there; but I offered to
the Committee on Rules yesterday, when
I faced them, an amendment that would
strike out the $6 billion and insert in
lieu thereof the actual Government obli-
gation.
A preceding section of title 3 says that
the Government shall assume one-half
of the carrying charges of this indebted-
ness during the construction period.
That is the 4-year period that we are
talking about. The going interest rate
the Government would have to pay for ,teacher in the United States 20 years
money is 21/2 percent. Two and a half 1 ago was 32-and-a-fraction per teacher.
percent of $6 billion is $150 million. Today the figure is 26-and-a-fraction
the $6 billion, which is the overall size
function of the Committee on Labor and
the Committee on Labor has not offered
any amendrilent up to now.
Mr. B LEY. As a member of the
committ9fi propose to offer the amend-
ment o the floor.
Mr .,MASON. Mr. Speaker, will the
gentl an yield?
M SMITH of Virginia. I yield to the
gentleman from Illinois.
Mr. MASON. Mr. Speaker, I want to
sE)y this; the latest figures that I have
f]i om the Department of Education are
than it was 20 years ago, on an average
all over the Nation. The only schools
that are congested are those in what
we call impacted areas and we have leg-
islation on the books to take care of
and I am personally pledging myself; to
do so-to offer that amendment.
I am also offering an amendment,' to
answer the gentleman's objection,, to
strike out the section on page 24 that
would take away from the Comptr ller
General and vest in the Commission r of
Education the authority to audit r the
handling of this money. I believe;;; the
gentleman will admit that I made That
proposal to the Committee on Rule .
Mr. SMITH of Virginia. Mr. Spe ker,
I want to say that the gentleman ffrom
West Virginia JMr. BAILEY] was very fair
about the whole thing and freely ad-
mitted these defects in the bill, and I do
not know what other defects there ay
tention to the matter 3 months ago wh
this bill was before the Committee
tee has taken no action on It. Whatever
the amount may be that is authorized,
I do not know what the gentleman will
offer in place of the $6 billion; but the
servicing of this $6 billion debt includes
not only the interest, but the amortiza-
tion and it is so stated in the bill.
Mr. BAILEY. Mr. Speaker, will the
gentleman yield further?
Mr. SMITH of Virginia. I yield to the
gentleman.
Mr. BAILEY. The gentleman is cor-
rect in saying that he made this objec-
tion back in February when I first ap-
peared before the Committee on Rules.
I promised him that I would prepare the
necessary amendments and submit them
to the Committee on Rules. But they
quit considering the school-construction
bill at that point and I never had the op-
portunity to get back before the Commit-
tee on Rules to find out whether the
amendments were satisfactory.
Mr. SMITH of Virginia. Mr. Speak-
er, the gentleman misapprehends the
function of the Committee on Rules.
We have nothing to do with amendments.
It was just a friendly suggestion to help
correct errors in this bill. That is the
those. So, I advise the Members of this
House to get the latest figures on the
pupil load per teacher and not to accept
these statements that there is a crowded
condition in the public schools all over
.the United States.
Mr. MARTIN. Mr. Speaker, we have
no requests for time on this side.
Mr. SMITH of Virginia. Mr. Speaker,
I move the previous question.
The previous question was ordered.
The SPEAKER. The question is on
the resolution.
The resolution was
COMMITTEE ON MERCHANT MA-
RINE AND FISHERIES
Mr. BONNER. Mr. Speaker, I ask
unanimous consent that the Committee
on Merchant Marine and Fisheries may
sit while the House is in session during
general debate this afternoon.
The SPEAKER. Is there objection to
the request of the gentleman from
North Carolina?
There was no objection.
ADDITIONAL SCIENTIFIC AND PRO-
FESSIONAL POSITIONS IN THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
Mr. TRIMBLE. Mr. Speaker, I call
up House Resolution 516 and ask for its
immediate consideration.
The Clerk read the resolution, as fol-
lows :
Resolved, That upon the adoption of this
resolution it shall be in order to move that
the House resolve itself into the Committee
of the Whole House on the State of the
Union for the consideration of the bill (H. R.
11040) to advance the scientific and profes-
sional research and development programs of
the Departments of Defense, the Interior,
and Commerce, to improve the management
and administration of certain departmental
activities, and for other purposes. After
general debate, which shall be confined to
the bill, and shall continue not to exceed 1 '
hour, to be equally divided and controlled by
the chairman and ranking minority member
of the Committee on Post Office and Civil
Service, the bill shall be read for amendment
under the 5-minute rule. At the conclusion
of the consideration of the bill for amend-
merit, the (,,gmmittee shall rise and report
the bill to the - House with such amend-
ments as may have been adopted, and the
previous question shall be conside -ed as
ordered on the bill and amens? mints =_henito
to final passage without intervening notion
except one motion to recommit.
Mr. TRIMBLE. Mr. Sp' aker, yield
30 minutes to the gentlemf n from M-cs-
sachusetts IMr. MARTIN], and y[eli my-
self such times as I may consume
Mr. Speaker, this resolution makes in
order the consideration of- the bill H. R.
11040, an amendment of the Clssifica-
tion Act. The gentleman I rom T- nnas-
see [Mr: MVRRAY], chairma n of tht Com-
mittee on Post Office and Civil ,$ lrviee,
.and the gentleman from Kansa, [Mr.
REES], the ranking member of tha cocn-
mittee, are present. As ft r as I know,
there is no opposition to th f rule.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the
gentleman from Californit [Mr IV, cL-
LER].
Mr. MILLER of Cali ornie. 1Tr.:
Speaker, I rise in support of th= rile,.
I think the legislation involved here is
long overdue and that it is ssentt a that
it be passed forthwith if we are to retain
our leading position in tecf nologir.al de-
velopment of our armed set vices.
I serve on a subcomzl ittee rf the
Armed Services Committee that has, re-
cently visited most of the at -plane ; dlaacts,
and we were told of the sho?ta.ge o eni-
neers, physicists, and sci# ntific people
who are so necessary in the develo Gym :?nt
of these newer instrumentf of wa': .
The Federal Government has -=.lw: ys
lagged behind private indr.stry it . p:.y-
Ing adequate salaries to people 1 this
category. It was less than 10 yeas :go
that the ceiling of $10,000 for Federal
pay was broken. We hav, never been
realistic in adopting legislatior?: that
would recognize the necessiy for a,i ade-
quate number of people in these siig:er
brackets to operate the agencies 03: Gov-
ernment that have to do vith tie new
weapons of war and with atomic energy.
Our scientific people, g ho m ?st sit
opposite the highly paid teE hnicia, is and
skilled people in private iadustrv, find
themselves at a disadvantai-e. As -ve de-
velop these people within Goven ment,
they are siphoned off into= private -n-
dustry because they cant of aff, :rd to
work for the salaries we give their The
few that have remained are dwo,ed
people who have stayed on because in
most cases they have earned and ^ iav-:- a
certain interest in Government oue to
their retirement privileges.
I think this committee s to b con-
gratulated in bringing out his pr=~por.ed
legislation. I congratulate the tent[e-
man from Tennessee [Mr. MuRRA ], he
gentleman from Kansas [Ur. RETf 1, aaad
the other members of the ~,ommit tee on
so doing. I trust the rule will be aciop'ed
forthwith and that the bit will }e but
on its way so that we can Veep tin= GE w-
ernment in the forefront in th-s im-
portant field so essential to our ni`,tional
defense.
Mr. MARTIN. Mr. Spea ker, I to not
desire to yield any time.
The SPEAKER. The q iettion is :an
the resolution.
The resolution was agref d to.
Mr. MURRAY of Teo aessee. 1-fr.
Speaker, I move that the wlouse eso=ve
itself into the Committee if the Whole
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House on the State of the Union for the
consideration of the bill (H. R. 11040) to
advance the scientific and professional
research and development programs of
the Departments of Defense, the Interior,
and Commerce, to improve the manage-
ment and. administration of certain de-
partmental activities, and for other pur-
poses.
The l3PEAKER. The question is on the
motion.
The motion was agreed to.
Accordingly the House resolved itself
into the Committee of the Whole 'House
on the State of the Union :for the consid-
eration of the bill H. R. 11040, with Mr.
S1sEs in the chair.
The Clerk read the title of the bill.
By unanimous consent, the first read-
ing of the bill was dispensed with.
The CHAIRMAN. Under the ru:ie, the
gentleman from Tennessee [Mr. MuR-
RAY] will be recognized for 30 minutes,
and the gentleman from Kansas [Mr.
REES ] will be recognized for 30 minutes.
The Chair recognizes the gentleman
from Tennessee [Mr. MURRAY].
Mr. MURRAY of Tennessee. Mr.
Chairman, I yield myself 13 minutes.
(Mr. MURRAY of Tennessee asked
and was given permission to revise and
extend his remarks.)
Mr. MURRAY of Tennessee. Mr.
Chairman, this bill represents a major
change in the allocation and numbers
of scientific and technical positions and
positions in the highest three grades un-
der the Classification Act. It will have
a direct effect on all departments and
agencies, but more specifically it will af-
fect the Departments of Defense, Com-
merce, and Interior, and the National
Advisory Committee for Aeronautics.
It has become necessary, because of
the increasing need for emphasis on re-
search and development and the critical
shortage of scientists and technicians to
reappraise and bring up to date the law
governing the number and allocation of
scientific and technical positions. These
positions are provided for under Public
Law 313 of the 80th Congress.
At the present time there are 45 of
these positions in the Department of De-
fense and 10 in the National Advisory
Committee for Aeronautics.
There will be an increase of 230 tech-
nical and scientific positions for the De-
partment of Defense, i0 for the National
Security Agency, 50 for the National Ad-
visory Committee for Aeronautics, and
the establishment of 35 such positions in
the Department of Commerce and 10 in
the Department of the Interior. These
positions are all keyed to our national
defense.
Those in the Department of Commerce
will be allocated as follows: 23 to the
Bureau of Standards, 2 to the Weather
Bureau, 3 to the Maritime Administra-
tion, 2 to the Coast and Geodetic Survey,
and 5 to the Civil Aeronautics Authority.
In the Department of the Interior they
will be allocated as follows: 5 to the Geo-
logical Survey and 5 to the Bureau of
Mines.
These agencies, charged with vital re-
sponsibility for developing and maintain-
ing a strong and effective national de-
fense, are facing serious handicaps due
to the lack of sufficient higher-salaried
positions to attract and keep the neces-
sary engineers, scientists, technicians,
and administrators to carry out their
programs with dispatch and effective-
ness. This condition is especially evi-
dent in the fields of research and devel-
opment. Requirements for the develop-
ment of missiles and test vehicles for the
expanded guided missile programs, for
new nuclear applications, for many new
types of combat and support aircraft,
and for experimental ships of many
classes have created pressing needs for
the highest caliber technical and execu-
tive leadership.
It should be noted that there are two
other groups of scientific positions that
have been allocated under Appropriation
Act riders. These are 60 positions in the
Public Health Service-Public Law 195,
84th Congress--and 5 positions in the
Department of Agriculture-Public Law
496, 80th Congress.
The second feature of this bill is the
allocation to the Department of Defense
of Its own group of 285 positions in
grades 16,-17, and 18 of the Classifica-
tion Act in a manner similar to that
already established for the Federal Bu-
reau of Investigation and the General
Accounting Office. The net effect with
respect to the Department of Defense
will be that they will have an increase
of 95 positions in grades 16, 17, and 18
and an increase of 201 positions in the
technical and scientific categories, which
includes 50 specifically earmarked for
the National Security Agency.
The net effect of this bill, as far as the
GS-16, 17, and 18 positions that are allo-
cated by the Civil Service Commission
are concerned, is that at the present
time there are approximately 22 out of
the fixed total of 1,200 available for dis-
tribution to the departments and agen-
cies other than Defense. If this bill is
approved, there will be some 290 posi-
tions available.
The Civil Service Commissioners will
continue to allocate the positions for the
top three grades in the Classification Act
except for the Department of Defense,
the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the
General Accounting Office, and the Li-
brary of Congress.
If this legislation Is approved, we will
then have the following pattern through-
out the Government, taking into con-
sideration positions in the three top
grades of the Classification Act and po-
sitions allocated under Public Law 313:
Classification Act positions of grades 16, 17,
and 15
Under allocation by Civil Service
Commission ----------------------- 1,200
Department of Defense_____________
285
Federal Bureau of Investigation------
37
General
Accounting Office -----------
25
Library
of Congress-----------------
29
Various
agencies by special legisla-
tion-------------------------------
25
Total-------------------------
1,601
Scientific and technical positions allocated
under Public Law 313
Department of Defense--------------
275
National Security Agency ------------
50
National Advisory Committee for
Aeronautics-----------------------
60
Department of Commerce_________-
35
Department of the Interior ---------
10
Total------------------------
430
Scientific and professional positions allocated
under appropriation riders
Public Health Service--------------- 60
Department of Agriculture---------- 6
Total------------------------- 65
Mr. Chairman, I would like to empha-
size to the House that this is an urgent
matter. I hope it will be acted upon
promptly by the Congress in order that
we can have a more effective and effi-
cient top-level working force dealing
with these important Government mat-
ters, particularly in research and devel-
opment.
Our committee held very extensive
hearings. Among those testifying were
the following:
Hon. Reuben R. Robertson, Deputy
Secretary of Defense.
Mr. Henry A. DuFlon, Deputy Assist-
ant Secretary of Defense, Manpower,
Personnel, and Reserve.
Mr. Leon L. Wheeless, Director of Ci-
vilian Personnel, Policy Division, Depart-
ment of Defense.
Lt. Gen. Ralph J. Canine, Director,
National Security Agency.
Dr. Hugh L. Dryden, Director, National
Advisory Committee for Aeronautics.
Dr. John F. Victory, executive secre-
tary, National Advisory Committee for
Aeronautics.
Mr. Paul G. Dem,bling, legal adviser,
National Advisory Committee for Aero-
nautics.
Mr. Robert J. Lacklen, personnel of-
ficer, National Committee for Aero-
nautics.
Mr. Carlton W. Hayward, Director,
Office of Personnel. Management, De-
partment of Commerce.
Dr. A. V. Astin, Director, National
Bureau of Standards.
Dr. Francis W. Reichelderfer, Chief,
Weather Bureau.
Mr. Otis Beasley, Administrative As-
sistant Secretary, Department of the
Interior.
Mr. Thomas Miller, Acting Director,
Bureau. of Mines.
Dr. Thomas B. Nolan, Director, Geo-
logical Survey.
Hon. Philip Young, Chairman, Civil
Service Commission.
Hon. George M. Moore, Civil Service
Commissioner.
Our hearings fully documented the use
that would be made of the technical and
scientific positions. They include such
positions as the following:
(A) Director of Guided Missiles, Of-
fice of Secretary of Defense;
(B) Chief, Guided Missile Develop-
ment, Redstone Arsenal, Department of
Army;
(C) Chief Nuclear Physicist, Bureau of
Ships, Department of Navy; and
(D) Director, Rocket Engine Test
Laboratory, Department of the Air Force.
With respect to the National Security
Agency, most of us know what a very
important part that Agency plays in our
whole national defense setup. We re-
ceived testimony from Lt. Gen. Ralph J.
Canine, Director of the National Secu-
rity Agency in executive session, and
the committee was so impressed with
the need for adequately compensating
people who have devoted a lifetime to
this very important area, that at the
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request of General Canine we increased
the amount from the original submis-
sion of 35 to 50 of these positions.
We hope this action will settle, not
only for the present, but for some time
to come, the issues that have been raised
with respect to the supergrades, or
grades 16, 17, and 18. Appropriation
riders and other provisions of special
legislation have given certain employees
or certain positions salaries or grades
above that which their positions war-
rant. They have not considered these
special grants in relation to all other
similar positions throughout the Fed-
eral Government.
The Civil Service Commission will
have approximately 270 additional
supergrade positions to allocate. They
have over 500 requests for the alloca-
tions of these positions. The Commis-
sion, in their testimony before the
committee, estimated that about 50 per-
cent of the requests would probably not
be justified, so this indicates that, at
the present time, if this legislation is
approved, we would be providing posi-
tions adequately to treat all employees
fairly and equitably.
The committee has included a re-
porting procedure in this bill which will
enable the Congress to more clearly
determine the manner in which these
higher grade positions are being used.
As far as the scientific and technical
positions are concerned, we were pro-
vided with a detailed report flfom the
Department of Defense identifying and
describing the positions presently being
occupied under Public Law 313, and those
which it proposed to put under that
authority. It is indeed an impressive
document, not only indicating the im-
portant responsibilities of many of these
scientists, but indicating as well that our
country is doing an extensive amount of
research and development directed
toward our national defense.
The estimated cost of this legislation
in increased payroll is $1,534,250 for the
Department of Defense, $464,280 for the
National Security Agency, $100,000 for
the National Advisory Committee on
Aeronautics, $21,200 for the Department
of Interior, $151,380 for the Department
of Commerce and, if all 236 positions are
utilized by the Civil Service Commission,
$644,000 for other departments and
agencies, making a total estimated in-
crease of $2,915,110 in annual payroll
costs.
To sum up, may I say this-that this
legislation presents a major readjust-
ment of the positions in the Federal
Government carrying salaries ranging
between $14,000 and $15,000, both those
paid under the Classification Act and
those paid as scientific and technical
positions under the authority of Public
Law 313, 80th Congress.
In addition, the bill sets aside a spe-
cific allocation of 285 positions in grades
16, 17, and 18 for the Department of
Defense in the same manner as we have
previously provided them for the Gen-
eral Accounting Office and the Federal
Bureau of Investigation. This action
makes available for departments and
agencies outside of the Department of
Defense 269 positions in grades 16, 17,
and 18 which are presently allocated to
the Department of Defense by the Civil
Service Commission.
SALARY RANGES, SiPERGRADES
GS-16: $12,900 to $13,760.
GS-17: $13,975 to $14,620.
GS-18: $14,800.
Mr. Chairman, I may say that the
committee was unanimous in reporting
this bill. It is a very,important bill and
I believe it is essential to our national
defense. All of us are fully aware of the
acute shortage of scientists, technicians,
and engineers. You can read Sunday's
New York Times and you will see page
after page of advertisements for all kinds
of engineers and scientists.
In a statement recently released by
the McGraw-Hill Publishing Co. entitled
"Are We Losing the Race With Russia,"
the critical shortage of scientists and
engineers is shown. Let me read it to
you:
It's the trend--shown in the chart-that
is alarming.
Over the last 5 years we have turned out
only 142,000 engineers, compared to an esti-
mated 216,000 in Russia. In 1956 our output
was around 23,00 compared to their 63,000.
Over the next 5 years our projected output
is 153,000, against at least 400,000 in Russia.
There will be an additional 150,000 or more
in the satellites and Red China.
In another publication recently re-
leased by the same publishing- company
entitled "How Critical Is It?" appears the
following statement:
According to the best available informa-
tion, from estimates by the Engineers' Joint
Council and the United States Bureau of
Labor Statistics, the minimum need for engi-
neers from gradiiating classes i8 40,000 each
year for the next 1U years. Last year we
graduated only 23,000 engineers, just about
enough to cover replacement needs without
allowing for any expansion of the number
of active engineers. Projections made by the
United States Office of Education indicate
that we shall probably not have a class of
40,000-the current annual requirement-
until 1983.
According to Dr Howard Meyerhoff, Execu-
tive Director of the Scientific Manpower Com-
mission, there is now a shortage of about
20,000 scientists. Last year the number of
doctoral degrees in the natural sciences, al-
most a prerequisite for research work, was
only 5,000. Dr. Meyerhoff estimates that the
shortage of scientists will rise another 30,000
by 1960.
We need more scientists and engineers
in our defense setup. The provisions of
this bill are certainly justified. Since
there is no opposition to the bill on the
part of the committee I hope it may be
passed unanimously.
Mr. CEDERBERG. Mr. Chairman, will
the gentleman yield?
Mr. MURRAY of Tennessee. I yield.
Mr. CEDERBERG. I want to associate
myself with the i'emarks of the distin-
guished chairman of my committee. I
think this bill is very timely and one that
should be passed by the House because I
think it will strengthen the scientific
research of our Government a great deal.
It will mean a lot tous in keeping pace
with the rest of the world in that regard.
Mr. REES of Kansas. Mr. Chairman,
I yield myself 8 minutes.
Mr. Chairman, this bill provides for
285 additional supergrade positions and
375 scientific and professional positions.
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The passage of this legisl'tion is of vital
importance to the research and develop-
ment programs concerned with ,he de
fense efforts of the Government.
The committee held 3 &.ys of l earing,
and 2 executive sessions on theprf such act of
August 1, 1947, as in effect imr?iediat.e1y prior
to the effective date of such ai lendsut at, ;he
compensation attached to any such p ?sition,
and any incumbent thereof, ll;is appoi:taint
thereto, and his right to rer?ive tll cern-
pensation attached thereto, :ntil apooropri-
ate action is talkeniunder aulaorlty,;f sub-
section (a) of such first seeti?in of such act
of August 1, 1947, as contained in the i>me,id-
ment made by subsection (a); =d this ft cti,n.
(c) Subsection (c) 'of the.i:rst see ion of
such act of August 1, 1947, rs amen-led. is
hereby redesignated subsectica (e) at si,ch
first section.
(d) Section 3 of'such act of Art ust 1,
1947, as amended, is amended to read as fol-
lows:
"SEC. S. (a) Each officer, with rest ect to
positions established by him ?: nder t -is set,
shall submit to the Congress, .sot latc: t1 an
February 1 01 each year, a retort wtii. h sets
forth-
"(1) the number of such positions so es-
tablished or in existence dur:rig the 1me is-
diately preceding calendar ye ii,
"(2) the name, rate of coin ensat.ie a, Cod
description of the qualificatio is of et ch , n-
cumbent of each such position, togetli: r with
the position title and a staff ament of !.he
functions, duties, and respoi,sibilitie.> p :r-
formed by each such incumbent, exce'?t that
nothing contained in this sec lion sh all re-
quire the resubmission of iniormath-n re-
quired under this paragraph which ht- c be en
reported pursuant to this sect?on and which
remains unchanged, and
"(3) such other information: as he deens
appropriate.
"(b) In any Instance in which ally officer
so required to submit such report nta y ct n-
sider full public disclosure of any or all of
the above-specified items to he detrinienial
to the national security or the public ant-r-
est, such officer is authorized- -
"(1) to omit in his annual report these
Items with respect to which fill puol c dcs-
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closure is considered by hira. to be 'detri-
mental to the national securt.y or the public
interest.
'? (2) to inform the Congress of such omis-
sion. and
"(3) et the request of any congressional
committee to which such report is referred,
to present information concerning such
items in executive sessions of such com-
mittee."
The (3HAIRMAN. The Clerk will re-
port the committee amendments to sec-
tion 1 and without objection the amend-
ments will be reported and considered
en bloc.
The Clerk read as follows:
Committee amendments:
On page 4, line 20, immediately before the
period rasert "or which may be required by
the Congress or a committee thereof."
Line 23, strike out "consider" and insert
"find."
Page 5, line 1, strike out "or the pubic in-
terest."
Line 4, strike out "considered" and insert
"found."
Lines 5 and 6, strike out "or the public in-
terest.-Line 5, insert "all."
Lines 10 and 11, strike out "in executive
sessions of such committee."
The CHAIRMAN. The question is on
the committee amendments.
The committee amendments were
agreed to.
Mr. CRUMPACKER. Mr. Chairman,
I offer an amendment which is at the
Clerk's desk.
The Clerk read as follows:
Amendment offered by Mr_ CRUsXP,iCKEa:
On page 2, line 13, after "exceed", strike out
"sixty" and insert "one hundred."
The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman
from I::adiana (Mr. CRUM IACKER) is rec-
ognized in support of his amendment.
Mr. REBS of Kansas. Mr. Chair-
man, I rise to a point of order.
The CHAIRMAN. The gentleman
will state the point of order.
Mr. REES of Kansas. Mr. Chairman,
I make the point of order that the
amendment offered by the gentleman
from Indiana comes too late.
The CHAIRMAN. The Committee is
still considering section 1. We have not
yet passed on to section 2 of the bill.
The :,joint of order is overruled and the
gentleman from Indiana is recognized.
Mr. CRUMPACKER. Mr. Chairman,
the ariendment which l: have offered
would increase the number of high sal-
aried scientific positions authorized for
the National Advisory Committee on
Aeronautics from the 60 provided by the
committee bill to 100.
There has been a great deal of discus-
sion in recent months not only in this
body but elsewhere as to the relative
state of our aeronautical technology and
science and that of our potential ene-
mies.
The National Advisory Committee on
Aeronautics is the body on whose shoul-
ders rests the ultimate responsibility of
winning this technological race. Un-
questionably whether we have better air-
craft than our enemies depends upon
the skill and ability of this group of
scientists. Oftentimes their activities
and their work is largely overlooked.
The activities of the Defense Depart-
ment, particularly of the services in test-
ing and demonstrating the end weapons
which have been made possible by NACA
research, receives a great deal more at-
tention and publicity than the activities
of these scientists, who generally work,
without any publicity at all, in their lab-
oratories in the less glamorous field of
pure aeronautic science. Before they
have made the scientific breakthroughs,
the scientists in the Defense Department
and the engineers in the various aircraft
manufacturing companies cannot and
do not produce the weapons that for the
present and forseeable future are essen-
tial to our survival as a nation.
NACA must lead-the way, and if they
are not effective and efficient in doing
so we will ultimately lose this technolog-
ical race. Because of the fact that their
activities are not so well known, they
oftentimes tend to be overlooked. I real-
ize it will be argued that a greater num-
ber of these hi ,h-salaried scientific po-
sitions was not asked for by these agen-
cies. My answer to that is first, that all
such requests by directors of such agen-
cies must clear through other agencies
of the Government, such as the Bureau
of the Budget. Frequently the desires of
a particular agency get strained down in
being channeled through the various
Government channels on their way to
Congress.
This is the first time in 7 years that
this Congress has seen fit to deal di-
rectly with thi:: question of the creation
of adequate iinancial incentives for
these highly trained scientific person-
nel. During that 7 years the workload
in all of these defense agencies, particu-
larly the workload of the NACA, has
multiplied many times. From all pres-
ent indication::, it will continue to in-
crease in the future. So, while 60 may
be adequate for today-and as to that I
am not in a position to argue with the
committee-I Rio feel that if 60 is the
number we need today, in all probability
we will need more in the near future.
Undoubtedly we will need more before
the Congress gets around to acting on
this subject matter again.
Mr. MURRAY of Tennessee. Mr.
Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. CRUMPACKER. I yield.
Mr. MURRAY of Tennessee. Is the
gentleman aware of the fact that the Di-
rector of the NACA appeared before our
committee and asked for only 60? Now,
have any of these gentlemen indicated
to you that th.-oy,wanted more than the
committee gave to them? We are simply
complying with the request of these gen-
tlemen in that regard.
Mr. CRUMPACKER. None of those
people have curse to me and indicated
any dissatisfaction with the request, but
for the reasons I have stated and the
slowness of Congress to deal with these
situations as they develop, and the fact
that these responsible officials have to
channel their requests through other
agencies, who almost invariably cut down
the requests, I do not think that is an
adequate answer to the needs, not only
the present but the future needs of this
agency-
I would like to say that all this meas-
ure does is authorize the positions. If
the agency does not need the positions at
the present time, they will not have to
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fill them., but if they do need them in the
future, this would permit them to fill the
positions without going through the long
and sometimes tedious process of trying
to gain congressional approval.
The CHAIRMAN The time of the
gentleman. from Indiana has expired.
(By unanimous consent, Mr. Cnuas-
PACKER was granted 1 additional min-
ute.)
Mr. CRUMPACKER. I do feel that
the need in this particular field of pure
scientific research is so great that we
should not handicap this agency in any
way, or tie strings about them that may
'block their possible expansion in the
future.
After all, if all these posts were filled
at the maximum figure permissible, it
would cost the Government just an ad-
ditional $200,000 a year. Ad against the
billions of dollars we are spending on
research it seems to me that this is a
very small amount indeed, a very small
investment to make in the future se-
curity of this country.
Mr. HARVEY. Mr. Chairman, will
the gentleman. yield?
The CHAIRMAN. The time of the
gentleman from Indiana has expired.
(On request of Mix. HARVEY (and by
unanimQus consent), Mr. CRUMPACKER
was allowed to proceed for 2 additional
minutes.)
Mr. CRUMPACKER. I yield to the
gentleman from Indiana.
Mr. HARVEY. I was very favorably
impressed with the reasoning back of
the gentleman's amendment. I would
like to ask him, because I know he has
given. a great deal of study to this prob-
lem, whether there will be competent
and specially trained people to fill these
positions, if authorized? . It is one thing
to have a position available; it is another
to have people with adequate skills and
training to fill it.
Mr. CRUMPACKIM. I may say that
they will certainly not be easy to fill.
However, if this legislation would induce
just a few of the highly skilled person-
nel who have left these special agencies
in recent months to accept higher paying
jobs in private industry, to return to the
Government service it would have served
a very worthwhile purpose. Certainly
there is a great shortage of highly skilled
scientific per: onnel. They cannot be
just picked up overnight. Certainly over
a period of years the personnel would
become available; and, as suggested pre-
viously, I think this legislation may in-
duce some of those who have left the
Government service in recent years to
possibly return to it and thus fill the
vacancies. It should also induce many
now in the Government service to re-
main and not accept offers from private
industry.
Mr. HARVEY. I thank the gentleman.
Mr. MURRAY of Tennessee. Mr.
Chairman, I rise in opposition to the
amendment.
Mr. Chairman, our committee in this
bill has given the National Advisory
Committee for Aeronautics the number
of scientific and technical jobs they
asked for.
I have known Dr. Dryden, who is di-
rector of the National Advisory Commit-
tee for Aeronautics, and Mr. Victory, who
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Is the executive secretary, for several
years. Our committee has wholeheart-
edly cooperated with these gentlemen in-
sofar as the jurisdiction of our commit-
tee is concerned. We gave them first the
ten technical and scientific jobs that
they asked for the first time. Dr. Dryden
and Mr. Victory appeared before our
committee in connection with this bill.
Here is the printed testimony of these
gentlemen before our committee. They
asked us to increase the number of these
excepted positions from 10 to 60 with the
approval of the Bureau of the Budget
and the Civil Service Commission.
The gentleman from Indiana [Mr.
CRUMPACKER] says he has not been con-
tacted by Dr. Dryden or by Mr. Victory
or any other official of the National Ad-
visory Committee for Aeronautics about
this matter. Surely these gentlemen in
charge know what they want, and we
have given them what they asked for.
Certainly they must have a sufficient
number of technically skilled and quali-
fied engineers, technicians, and scien-
tists to do this important work.
Mr. GROSS. Mr. Chairman, will the
gentleman yield?
Mr. MURRAY of Tennessee. I yield
to the gentleman from Iowa.
Mr. GROSS. There was no conten-
tion made before our committee that the
Bureau of the Budget had denied the
National Advisory Committee for Aero-
nautics a request for additional em-
ployees. Will the gentleman agree to
that?
. Mr. MURRAY of Tennessee. Why,
certainly.
Mr. GROSS. Has the chairman of the
Post Office and Civil Service Commit-
tee had any word from Dr. Dryden or
anyone else from the National Advisory
Committee, since our hearings were held,
asserting that the 60 extra pay jobs were
insufficient?
Mr. MURRAY of Tennessee. I have
not received any such information.
They have been very fair whenever they
appeared before our committee and we
have never turned down any request
from them about legislation. I know
they are highly satisfied and well pleased
with the action of our committee which
gave them the 60 scientific and technical
positions they wanted.
Mr. GROSS. If there are supergrade
spaces unfilled under the control of the
Civil Service, the National Advisory
Committee for Aeronautics could go to
the Commission and get additional
berths if they could justify the need.
Mr. MURRAY of Tennessee. Yes, in
these supergrades. They only asked for
an increase from 10 to 60 in these scien-
tific positions and we gave them exactly
what they wanted. I do not see where
the gentleman from Indiana has pre-
sented anything to the contrary.
Mr. CRUMPACKER. Mr. Chairman,
will the gentleman yield?
Mr. MURRAY of Tennessee. I yield
to the gentleman from Indiana.
Mr. CRUMPACKER. Can the gentle-
man promise me that the Congress will
deal with this subject again in less than
7 years if the need arises?
Mr. MURRAY of Tennessee. The gen-
tleman can rest assured that if Dr. Dry-
den and Dr. Victory, officials in charge
of the Advisory Committee for Aeronau-
tics, come before our committee with a
request, we will give them every coopera-
tion. We have never turned them down.
We are not experts in their field and we
have to rely upon their judgment. We
did so in this case and I appeal to you
to vote down the pending amendment.
Mr. JOHNSON of California. Mr.
Chairman, I move to strike out the
requisite number of words.
(Mr. JOHNSON of California asked
and was given permission to revise and
extend his remarks.)
Mr. JOHNSON of California. Mr.
Chairman, I do not care to inject myself
into this controversy between the chair-
man of the committee and the ranking
minority member other than to say that
in my opinion, the gentleman from Indi-
ana has a very good point. The reason
I take that view is because of an experi-
ence I had in 1945.
When the shooting war in Europe
ended, a number of members of the Com-
mittee on Military Affairs went to France
to look into the displaced persons prob-
lem and other problems. The gentle-
man now presiding as Chairman of the
Committee of the Whole accompanied us
at that time.
One of the things that I remember so
very well, and I am sure every Member
who was there remembers very well, was
Nordhausen, one of the horror camps
where the Germans executed thousands
of innocent victims that were captured
at that time. In going there we had to
fly over a very high mountain, and as
we looked down to the landscape below
we saw that a railroad went into the side
of a mountain and came out at the other
end of it. Later we found that Hitler
had an underground operation for the
development and use of V2 bombs No
one knew anything about this until the
Americans got into that underground
area where the railroad was. He had
extrusion presses there where these
bombs were developed and built in great
numbers. As a matter of fact, they shot
many of these bombs from Amsterdam
into London where they struck a large
church and damaged an extensive area
of that city. If Hitler had had one more
month, just one month, it was our con-
viction then that England would have
fallen and we would have been left alone
to fight that war to its bitter and tragic
end.
I mention that. experience to demon-
strate that the argument presented by
the gentleman from Indiana has a great
deal of merit. Why not leave the door
open slightly so that if the scientists feel
that they should have more scientific
help they will be able to get it promptly?
That experience taught me that some-
times we have to look a little further
ahead than we can see at the time we
make a particular decision. This may
be a little beside the argument here, but
I do think the gentleman's contention
has great merit. That experience im-
pressed rare and it impressed every Mem-
ber present. Thank God we got there in
time and licked the enemy, otherwise
Hitler might have taken away our major
ally.
Mr. REES of Kansas. Mir. Chairman,
I rise in opposition to tl , ameidmeni
offered by the gentleman ? rom I; dii na..
Mr. Chairman, I want to em,iha,ize
what our'chairman, Mr. MiRRAY, Las raid
with respect to this proposed ,emend-
-merit. That is, that Dr. Drydc n anti
other officials of this organization ap-
peared before the commit+.ee ask mg for
60 of these new positions, }vhich fire gave
them. We took care of all of -he re-
quests of agencies that 4peared be::ore
our committee.
Mr. Chairman, the per ding .'mend?-
ment ought to be rejected.
Mr. GROSS. Mr. Chair man: -'ill the
gentleman yield?
Mr. REES of Kansas. "f yield to the
gentleman from Iowa, a l,ember of our
committee. He is one wlo has ;tudied
this legislation very caref illy.
Mr. GROSS. If we ado -t this imend,-
ment we would be settii,. a pry ?cecten
of saying to'the various:- departments
and agencies when they i?sk for an in-
crease in personnel, if hey sty they
want 100, give them 200 in antic pa,?iorr
that they may need 200. Chat it a verb
poor way to legislate, anil I bell ve the=--
gentleman from Kansas *ill agr--e with
me.
Mr. REES of Kansas. I three Y ith the
gentleman. One of our difficulti":"s is to
keep these matters from :vetting out or
control. Here is a case v here ere were
extremely careful to see tb it our left?ns+~
was not injured in any wad., and t'ie vit?w
nesses were so convincing with eesnec?.
to their requests that they were t-raiAeu
in toto; every, one of the, Nov., when
we come to the floor of tie House ana
offer an amendment to alt-lost double it.
it is out of order, in my opinion, and
ought to be rejected.
Mr. CRUMPACKER. Lir. Chi irman.
will the gentleman yield?
Mr. REES of Kansas. I yield to the
gentleman from Indiana,
Mr. CRUMPACKER. Does not the.
gentleman realize that of -r defe':se has;
been injured in the last months md the
last years during which the resric ion
set up in 1949 was in of t ct and be 'ors-
the committee and the- Conl;r, ss go?.
around to dealing with W;
Mr. REES of Kansas. With respect
to this particular agency. Conn ess did
approve 10 supergrades ` more .t --hat,
time than had been grarLed aiIm oilier
agency.
Mr. CRUMPACKER. $ ck in 1 749
Mr. REES of Kansas. That I ; rieht:.
NIr. CRUMPACKER. And le great
deal of harm has been. done '-o that,
agency because of the pers inneI teat wary
lost to private industry, becaa e he?
could not pay comparabl ? salaries.
Mr. REES of Kansas. So f. rr is 'I
know, this is the first timf, a req est was:
made to this committee-for tl.r rAiel
that is being granted and i this biIt.
The CHAIRMAN. The question is on
the amendment offered 1-y the gentle-
man from Indiana [Mr. CtUMPAC1,ERJ.
The amendment was rejected.
The Clerk read as ballot s:
SEc. 2. Section 505 of the &assiflc&`ior Act
of 1949, as amended (69 Stat 179; 3 U... C.,
sec. 1105), is amended-
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(1) by striking out in subsection (b) of
Such section 505 "subsections (c), (d), and
(e)" anti inserting in lieu thereof "sub-
sections (c), (d), (e), and. (f)" and
(2) by adding at the end of such section
505 the following new subsection:
"(f) The Secretary of Defense Is av.thor-
ized, in accordance with the standards and
procedures of this net, to place a total of two
hundred and eighty-five positions in the De-
partment of Defense in grades 16, 17, and 18
of the General Schedule. Such positions
shall be in addition to the number of posi-
tions authorized to be placed in such grades
by subsection (b).,'
SEC. 3. (a) The United States Civil Service
Commission, the Librarian of Congress, the
Comptroller Generalof the United States, the
Director of the Federal Bureau of Investiga-
tion of the Department of Justice, and the
Secretary of Defense, respectively, with re-
spect to those positions within the purview of
subsection (b), (c), (d), (e), and (f), re-
spectively, of section 505 of the Classification
Act of 1949, as amended, and the appropriate
authority, with respect to those positions un-
der jurisdiction of such authority which are
allocated. to or placed in grades 16, 17, and 18
of the General Schedule of the Classification
Act of 1949, as amended (including such
positions as allocated or placed on a tempo-
rary or present incumbency basis), under any
provision of law (including any reorganiza-
tion plan) other than the above-specified
subsections, which is in effect on or after
the date of enactment of this subsection,
shall submit, so long as such provision of
law or reorganization plan remains in effect,
to the Congress, not later than February 1 of
each year, a report which sets forth--
(1) the total number of such positions
allocated to or placed in all of such grades
during the immediately preceding calendar
year, the total number of such positions allo-
cated to or placed in each of such grades dur-
ing such immediately preceding calendar
year, and the total number orl such positions
in existence during such Immediately pre-
ceding calendar year and the grades to or in
which such total number of positions in ex-
isting are allocated or placed,
(2) the name, rate of compensation, and
description of the qualifications of each in-
cumbent of each such position, together with
the position title and a statement of the
duties and responsibilities performed by each
such incumbent,
(3) the position or positions in or outside
the Federal Government held by each such
incumbent, and his rate or rates of compen-
sation, during the 5-year period immediately
preceding the date of appointment of each
such incumbent to such position, and
(4) Such other information as the Com-
mission, officer, or other appropriate authority
submitting such report may deem appropri-
ate.
Nothing contained in this subsection shall
require the resubmission of any information
required under paragraphs (2) and (3) of
this subsection which has been reported pur-
suant to this subsection and. which remains
unchanged.
(b) In any instance in which the Commis-
sion, officer, or other appropriate authority
so required to submit such report may con-
sider full public disclosiere of any or all of
the above-specified items to be detrimental
to the national security or the public inter-
est, such Commission, afncer, or authority
is authorized--
(1) to omit in such annual report those
Items with respect to which full public dis-
closure is considered to be detrimental to
the national security or the public interest,
(2) to inform the Congress of such omis-
sion, anal
(3) at the request of arty congressional
committee to which such report is referred,
to present information concerning such
items in executive sesaiorus of such com-
mittee.
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(c) Subsection (b) of section 505 of the
Classification Act of 1949, as amended (69
Stat. 179; 5 U. S. C.. sec. 1105), is amended
by striking out "The United States Civil Serv-
ice Commission shall report annually to the
Congress the total number of positions es-
tablished under this subsection for grades
16, 17, and 18 of the General Schedule and
the total number of positions so established
for each such .gre:,de.".
SEC. 4. (a) The following provisions of law
are hereby repealed:
(1) That part of the paragraph under the
heading "Federal Prison System" and under
the subheading "Salaries and expenses, bu-
reau of prisons" contained in title II (the
Department of Justice Appropriation Act,
1956) of the Departments of State and Jus-
tice, the Judiciary, and related agencies Ap-
propriation Act, 1956 (69 Stat. 273; Public
Law 133, 84th Congress; 5 U. S. C., pec. 298a),
which reads as follows: ": Provided further,
That the Attorney General hereafter is au-
thorized, without regard to the Classification
Act of 1949, to place three positions in grade
GS-16 in the General Schedule established
by the Classifleatton Act of 1949"; and
(2) Section 63:1 of the Department of De-
fense Appropriation Act, 1956 (69 Stat. 320;
Public Law 157, 84th Congress; 5 U. S. C., sec.
171d-2).
(b) Positions In grade 16, 17, or 18, as the
case may be, of the General Schedule of the
Classification Aci of 1949, as amended, Im-
mediately rior to the effective date of this
section, under any provision of law repealed
by subsection (a:) of this section, shall re-
main, on and alter such effective date, in
their respective grades, until other action is
taken under the provisions of section 505 of
the Classification Act of 1949 as in effect on
and after such effective date.
The CHAIRMAN. The Clerk will re-
port the committee amendments, and
without objection they will be considered
en bloc.
There was no objection.
The Clerk read as follows:
Committee amendments:
Page 7, line 17, immediately before the
period Insert "or which may be required by
the Congress or a committee thereof."
Page 7, :fine V, strike out "consider" and
insert in lieu thereof "find."
Page 8. line 2, strike out "or the public
interest."
Page 8, line 5, strike out "considered" and
insert in lieu thc;reof "found."
Page 8, lines cl and 7, strike out "or the
public interest."
Page 8, line 10, after "present", insert "all."
Page 8, lines 11 and 12, strike out "in ex-
ecutive sessions of such committee. "
The committee amendments were
agreed to.
Mr. McCORMACK. Mr. Chairman, I
move to strikeout the last word and ask
unanimous consent to speak out of order.
The CHAIRMAN, Is there objection
to the request of the gentleman from
Massachusetts"
There was no objection.
Mr. McCORMACK. Mr. Chairman,
we have read in the newspapers today
and yesterday and the day before of a
visit made to Egypt by the Soviet for-
eign minister who recently succeeded
Molotov, and we find in the news items
the offer of the Soviet Union early this
year to help finance a $1.2 billion project
for harnessing the waters of the Nile,
the Aswan Dam. We find that appar-
ently conversations are taking place be-
tween Premier Nasser of Egypt and the
Soviet foreign minister in relation to
that matter a,; well as other assistance
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from the Soviet Union. We have read
of Soviet offers of the same nature to
other countries, and that raises in my
hind a question as to what the policy
of our country should be. Are we going
to rush in, after the Soviets have made
some kind of an offer, and make a big-
ger offer? Or are we going to call the
turn somewhere along the line with ref-
erence to some of these large commit-
ments?
The attitude and the action of the
Soviet Union presentsa serious question
that our Government and all Americans
must consider because, after they have
made an offer and we have gone in and
made a :larger offer, they can then
gracefully withdraw and say to the
country who is to be the beneficiary,
"See? We got America to do it for you."
.And then they get the benefit of it both
ways. And in some cases we do not even
receive the minimum feeling of grati-
tude.
There is a question whether the
Soviet Union can go through with its
commitments, but in any event, since
such offers are made, the evidence seems
to be that our country rushes in and
raises the ante and offers more. Re-
peating the result is that the Soviets are
thus permitted to back out gracefully
but they are enabled to say to the people
of, say, Egypt, or other countries, "See?
We got you the offer from the United
States, It is our action that has gotten
you American aid and increased aid. It
is we who are your best friends."
Since an offer calve from the Soviet
Union and the United States then comes
in and increases the offer of aid, the
whole benefit, it seems to me, redounds
to the Soviet Union. No matter how it
works out, we lose.
I have been a strong advocate of point
4 assistance. But I do not like this situ-
ation where the Soviet Union is moving
in and then we come in after them with
an offer of more aid, greater assistance,
larger loans; then they move out and
receive the benefit of the appreciation of
the beneficiary, while we get no benefit.
It seems to me that somewhere along
the line, particularly in the case of large
countries---of course, in the case of a
small. country, the Soviet could probably
go ahead with their commitment-but
in the case of a large country, or in the
case of a large commitment such as that
of the Aswan Dam, our officials should
say, "All right, Soviet Union, we have
been helping, we have been rendering
assistance, we have assisted Egypt in
the sum of so many tens of millions of
dollars; if you want to come into this
field, we are glad to see you do it." Then
the issue would be put up to Nasser, be-
cause he knows in his own mind that
the probabilities are that the Soviets
cannot carry out their commitment.
It is getting to be humiliating for us to
read of these events. I do not say that
the administration does not have it in
mind.
My remarks are not to be miscon-
strued. They are my own personal re-
marks as an American and in my indi-
vidual capacity as a Member of the
House.
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The CHAIRMAN. The time of the
gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Mc-
CORMACKI has expired.
(Mr. McCORMACK asked and was
given permission to proceed for 3 addi-
tional minutes.)
Mr. McCORMACK. Mr. Chairman,
I am not talking as a Democratic Mem-
ber, but as an American. I think my
few remarks here today pretty much
represent the views of the great major-
ity, if not all, of my colleagues, without
regard to political affiliation.
It is embarrassing to have the situa-
tion in which this great Nation of ours
is placed. When we give assistance, at
least there ought to be a minimum
amount of gratitude for it. We are do-
ing it in our own national interest, but
it is also in their national interest.
As I view the situation in Egypt, Mr.
Nasser is confronted with a very acute
economic question. His playing with the
Soviet Union does. not deceive me or my
colleagues. No matter how strong he
might become militarily as a result of
Communist aid in that field, his basic
problem is an economic one. I think in
his own mind he realizes he cannot rely
on the Soviet Union, because even if
they did give aid they would exact from
him attributes of the sovereignty of his
own country in addition to other exac-
tions.
Mr. GROSS. Mr. Chairman, will the
gentleman yield?
Mr. McCORMACK. I yield to the
gentleman from Iowa.
Mr. GROSS. What the gentleman
is saying is that too many countries are
playing both ends against the middle;
that is, they are playing the United
States off against Russia and Russia off
against the United States.
Mr. McCORMACK. That in plain
language is a fair statement and repre-
sents my state of mind.
Mr. GROSS. I would hope, then, with
that commendable statement from the
gentleman, that when the foreign hand-
out authorization bill comes back from
the Senate with a greatly increased
amount of money, the gentleman will
join some of us in sending it to confer-
ence with insistence upon the figures in
the House bill.
Mr. McCORMACK. My remarks are
addressed to those who are administer-
ing our foreign aid, asking them to
realize that there has to be a reap-
praisal in the light of the policy of for-
eign aid and in the light of our rushing
in to give greater aid and greater bene-
fits, with the result that the Soviet
Union gets the full credit in those coun-
tries and all we find is an anti-American
atmosphere.
Mrs. CHURCH.. Mr. Chairman, will
the gentleman yield?
Mr. McCORMACK. I yield to the
gentlewoman from Illinois.
Mrs. CHURCH. I should like to con-
gratulate the majority leader on what I
think is a splendid analysis of the situa-
tion. I hope he will not object to my
reminding him that the gentleman from
Virginia [Mr. HARRISON] and I have had
resolutions introduced for some time to
permit a reappraisal of our foreign-aid
program. I mention this merely in the
hope that the gentleman may see fit in
his power and kindness to get those reso-
lutions out for consideration.
Mr. McCORMACK. I am aware of
those resolutions. If any action is taken
toward-the establishment of a commis-
sion, not to investigate but to survey our
foreign commitments and actions in rela-
tion to mutual assistance, because I am
sure no one would want an investigation,
but rather a survey, I favor its being done
on the legislative level rather than by a
commission in the executive department.
That is no reflection on the executive de-
partment. However, in a sense, such a
commission would be investigating the
very branch of Government that brought
it into existence.
My voice is raised not as majority
leader but as a member of the House
simply to show concern about the unfor-
tunate position of our great cot{ntry, that
does not want one inch of land from an-
other country. We are being placed in
this position by the maneuverings of the
representatives of the Soviet Union.
Then our representatives try to outbid
them. The Soviet Union is then per-
mitted to, retire gracefully without any
commitment and say, "See what we have
done for you? We forced the Americans
to do it."
To me, that Is humiliating and calls
for some kind of clear thinking and af-
firmative action on our part by which we
at least call the bluff of the Soviet Union.
The CHAIRMAN. Under the rule, the
Committee rises.
Accordingly the Committee rose; and
the Speaker having resumed the chair,
Mr. SIKES, Chairman of the Committee
of the Whole House on the State of the
Union, reported that that Committee,
having had under consideration the bill
(H. R. 11040) to advance the scientific
and professional research and develop-
ment programs of the Departments of
Defense, the Interior, and Commerce, to
improve the management and adminis-
tration of certain departmental activi-
ties, and for other purposes, pursuant to
House Resolution 516, he reported the
bill back to the House with sundry
amendments adopted by the Committee
of the Whole.
The SPEAKER. Under the rule, the
previous question is ordered.
Is there a separate vote demanded on
any amendment? If not, the Chair will
put them en gross.
The amendments were agreed to.
The SPEAKER. The question is on
the engrossment and third reading of
the bill.
The bill was ordered to be engrossed
and read a third time, and was read the
third time.
The SPEAKER. The question is on
the passage of the bill
The bill was passed.
A motion to reconsider was laid on
the table.
GENERAL LEAVE TO EXTEND
Mr. REFS of Kansas. Mr. Speaker, I
ask unanimous consent that all Members
desiring to do so may extend their re-
marks in the RECORD on the bill just
passed.
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The SPEAKER. Is th,,re ob,=ectlon
to the request. of the gerclemar- from
Kansas?
There was no objection.
CREDIT FACILITIES TC FARME2S
AND AMENDING BANKP EAD-J ONES
FARM TENANT ACT
.Mr. COOLEY. Mr. Spe.tker, I move
that the House resolve ik.elf in::o ine
Committee of the Whole house to the
State of the Union for the considerat on
of the bill (H. R. 11544) to irnpro, a cw rid
simplify the credit facilitie.. avaiik.ble to
farmers, to amend the Bar khead--Jones
Farm Tenant Act, and for others pur-
poses.
The motion was agreed i.a.
Accordingly the House r?~solver': itself
into the Committee of the Whole :-Ioise
on the State of the Union for th,- ccn-
sideration of the bill H. R. 11544, w. th
Mr. MAct-mowlcz in the chair.
The Clerk read the title of the bill.
By unanimous consent, tie first reed-
ing of the bill was dispensee~.. with.
The CHAIRMAN. Under the ru e, the
gentleman from North C,irolina [Mr.
COOLEY] will be recognized for 3( min-
utes, and the gentleman - rom h an is
[Mr. HOPE] will be recognized or 30
minutes.
.Mr. COOI,EY. Mr. Chaff ?ma.n, r yield
15 minutes to the gentlemani from Texas
[Mr. POACEI.
Mr. POAGE. Mr. Chairman, t-re bill
the committee brings to yo'r today is an
extension of the powers of the f'arm-
ers' Home Administration i:r several d f-
ferent respects. In the =first p ace. I
should' mention that this extends ?he
period for emergency loar s from Jine
30, 1957, to June 30, 1961, and it a-
creases the authorization fcx such emc-r-
gency or disaster loans from s15 19iill on
to $65 million-an increas cf $53 n=il-
lion for the next 3-year period. It is
perfectly trite that the new period of ex-
tension does not start until 1957, but
the present money is used ip '113 e I e>-
partment has advised-us on severa: oct a-
sions that we should prcseed expei-
tiously to provide addition d autLor.La-
rion. The other body has made provi-
sion in the form of a separate bill. We
have included that provisio tin th>> gen-
eral bill.
Along with this extensioi of tio~e end
in the amount of money hat We h