USIB AD HOC COMMITTEE ON EXCHANGES MINUTES 17 FEBRUARY 1959

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'USD AD HOC C(MM11'1EE ON EXCHANGES
Minutes
17 February 1959
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Chairman, CIA
Gatewood, State
mr. Stone, Army
,!omdr. Dickins, Navy
Jelich, AIN
... Palmer, J-2
Abrahams, AEC
Flynn, USIA
OSI/CIA
CIRR/CIA
OCH/CIA
00/CIA
,apt. PoLand, AMIN (present for discussion of proposed
Civil Air Transport Exchange)
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OSI/CIA) present for discussion of proposed
ORR/CIA) Soil Mechanics Exchange
CSI/CIA)
1/CIA ) present for discussion of Agricultural
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I/CIA ) Exchanges
Secretary
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TWHODUCTION
) Lt. Comdr. Paul Dickins was introduced as the new Nam,
member=
2. The Chairman asked that members get the evaluations of
last year's exchanges into the Secretary immediately. These are
necessary for the report to USIR.
J. The minutes of the 13 January meeting were approved with
the addition of the following sentence at the end of paragraph (5).
"Mr. Zagoraki expressed the hope that, in the future,
formal communications to the NAS would be sent to the
Academy through the State Department (i.e. P/EWC); the
Chairman and Secretary of the Committee agreed to this
procedure."
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Ceumitteetkotissicel_ancit Ehnctieths. The Chaim=
repurted that the DDCI had suggesto4 that the Committeees
Missions and Functions should be a DCID. The title of the
eteaelttee will no longer contain the words "Ad Hoc." He noted
ehat the FBI has previoualy preferred not to be a member of
the Committee. The Secretary was therefore instructed to check
the present feeling of the FBI and make the appropriate notation
in paragraph (1) if they prefer to be excluded from membership,
It was agreed that the USIA Inaction is covered by the phrase
"participate as eeeirepriate." The 3 February draft was approved
end will be forwarded to Secretary, USra.
2, C8mI2Lrghersp_F4ehtme. The Chairman noted that the
opinion concerning this exchange had not been fully resolved
by the telephone poll between. meetings. It was clarified that
the issue was whether to require or merely urge reciprocity.
Atter aome discussion it waa agreed that the Secretary should
inform the Department of State that the Committee favors reel-
erocity but feels that there will be a net gain if the Soviets
send bona fide experts who participate in the conference, The
participation is essential and it was agreed that the bona fides
Qt. the experts could be checked by referring the name to CIA ef
A: MapService when applicatione are received. Pull reciproOty
iee44 be necessary if anything other than the listed tour is
eeneitted,
3. Libra4ans!_pxchap,olf,. The Chairman reported that CI4
14L enthusiastic about both exchanges mentioned by. Mr. Mehrharet
ktt the previous meeting. Mr. Gatevood reported that the De-
eartment reels the same vay,, He noted that Ambassador Lace
.Tete to Mr. Corey or the American Library Association wane
1:am to organize an exchange. He also noted that the US could
it hope to obtain technological gain from this exchange but that
they woad learn What the Soviets have and possibly be able to
wocure items of interest. It was agreed that the Secretary woad
:,eFtify WC of the interest of the intelligence community in thr
EXchange., Mr. Gatewood will arrange to have someone
-;ALact Mr C,orey to determine the status of the ALA exchange
4 iviiAir,Tralea.port :.hcce.4enge. The Cha,Vrman noted that
Force report was very ccapiete but expressed his feeling tbtlitt
lx,issibility of gaining the information of interest to Air Force
very %Light and that the possibility of Soviet technolcwtlal
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thQ 416iA1840 4,1eld that the gain posaiblIltig were
but pol.nted,cut tole; the ttrttnalve contaAs nne
*LI-lines would ri.44.kt 11`; 4R41,y
of time 'netor, tbo\y tJtechnoloW.csI gvanz, c.a.A
tht, Airn-irceudyNntatatg or tnts
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the US participants must have Russian 1N.LIguage (nspebilit
muzt muke tkeir vlsit either firat or concurrent.4.
reported that (Ma VU8 very much interested but had some suggostinna
for changeF._ It was agreed that an Ad Boo Subcommittee would be
constituted 'to review the proposal a4 make recommeadations to
the Committee. The alairman noted that there la a sliding 44.A1,,t1
of possibilities and At adght be necesnary to ever several or
these with a,net ealn asseament for each. Nominations for the
Ad hoe Subcogmittee shoulditilephoned to the Secretary by c.o.b.
FridAyj. 20 February. It was requested that Captain Poland. chair
the Albcommittee.
5. alppostwajoa_C2qmic_paa,pynamica. The Chairman noted
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*easary on this itaa. In response
to request
pointed out that both Air Force and
OSI agreed that the US stood a good chance of making a net gain
If the two inyited Soviets attended. They have done considerable
advanced work,in several thenso.cbmandes fields :1,10. there does
not seem to be anything new which will be discussed at the con-
forence. The..Commitiate.therefore endorsed the approval given
during the interhaperlod?
6., Technical PachmL?ossibilities. The Chairman asked
if any membe d ten1 hge possibilities which they
desired to beLpresented to the 7..epsrtraent for action during 1959.
Maj. Jelich repc4rted that Air Force will have 12 or 13 such pro-
posals:Cpmingin during the year as details are completed on the.t.
Mr. Gatewood gpggested that some of the items previously sent to
04; could be revived. The Secretary noted that some of these
have be tried and abandoned for various reasons. The Chairwah
directed that the itex be kept on the agenda for the next meeting
and urged each.membor to review possibilities.
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7. Searchincand Translation Conferenee. MAj. Jelich
reported?thatDr.. Kent had csiUdliaZali-iial determined that the
Soviets were 411ing to re-schedule the related conference in
'Moscow so that _there would be no fonflict with the,Nachine Trans-'
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lation Con rerence. Air Force noted that this Moscow Conference
could be adequate reciprocity for Soviet attendance at the
Cleveland conference. After a discussion reevaling that the
US gain probably would be syntactical rather than in the fields
of machine methods and programing, it was agreed that the Com-
mittee believes that fUll reciprocity for the conference and any
related tours is necessery. The Secretary was directed to so
inform the Department.
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8. Soil Mechanics bcch.
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ORR. were present for the discussion. said that theenX1A9a
cheeee deals with the ohenomenon affe tion of soils.
It is related to engineering geology, and covers properties and
measurements of soils and laboratory and sampling techniques in
eonnection therewith. Its relationship to roads, airfields and
launching sites makes it important to the intelligence community.
Re noted that the Soviets have carried an an extensive activity
recently. They heve done advanced and original work and are ahead
of the US in some fields. Re said that in addition to the intelli-
genue gain in all probability there would be some scientific gain
to the US. He suggested that some additional. Soviet organizations
be added to the itinerary in the USSR and urged that measures be
taken to assure that members of the US delegations be cooperative
with the US Government. He also asked that Permafrost not be
made such a or that the proposed Permafrost Exchange be
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area in which e e.s were beat and expressed the hope that
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no opportunity would be lost to learn about developments in this
field In answer to a amtieun
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be flame overlap with the Highway Exchange but not sufficient to 25X1A9a
rule out toasibility of a future exchange in the Highway field,
enough for the intelligeme comunity to
noted that this exchange probably was important
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The Committee agreed that there was an cceUant possibility of
uet gain to the US if same of the delegates could be encouraged to
eooperate with the US Government. The Secretary was instructed
ee inform the Dew/neut.
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since the Soviets are unwilling to divulge statistical data,
except on a local basis, the US can hope to gain only a general
tmpression of Soviet agriculture. He noted that this is usefte
and that the visits VW experts develop a pool of people *shone
knowledge maybe useful in the future. Same of the information
picked up during the course of the 1.959 program was of value but
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It waseoutvel ed by the coesiderable technological gain
accruing to the Soviets. He stated that team an intelIigenee
point of view the 1958 exChange weer= was of doubtfUl value.
Mr, Gatewood said that the State eepert agreed complete4
but felt that some alight betterment might be brought at by
intensive brieftng of future delegations. The Chairman said
that if there was a poasibIllty of serieus net loss to the US
it eight be advisable 4X1 ii:t!V. a letter forth... fieVe signature
to Aebaseador Lacy. nointiuout the seriousness of the situ-
ation. He cited "e statement that agricultural
infermation in the Soviet Union had been placed on a strategle
list since 1945. Maj. jelidh seed that It might be possible
to get information in another field 'Which would be as importmet
as the technical geln to the Soviets In the agricultural field.
It wee agreed that the aeeleeltumestatistics were Important lJi.
themseivea and that thr Societe might be permuaded to releaae
theee or other useful information If the US took a firm stand,
it was rat that the Committee had a responsibility to point
vet a. net loss situation. The Secretary was directed to drare
L he eppreprtate letter and circulate it to the members for
elearanee.
10. Hlectrieallded Wire Pittnomenon. An Air Force
report on the conference vas circulated, at the meeting.
Jelidh stated that be knew' of no similar conference in the usa
but suggested that It might be possible to ;7.1-eeet. on, or two ol';
the experts attending ccentlereneee in Europe to appropriate vielts
In the USSR as reciprocity. Mk. Abrehams suggested that ttley
might visit the eppropriate sections of the Lebedev Institute
in Moscow, It was suggested that the Air Force sponsor be urged
to come up 'with suggestions for reciprocity. It was noted the
the invitation reqpiredthat the Soviets participate and that ue,
tours would be anticipated. It was agreed that reciproeity eteea.:d
be sought but Is not essential- Members were agreed to explort.
peceibilities far reciprocity,.
11. International. .Comibuation ? slum. The?Chairman
neAed that the Department had a request permit Soviet
aetendance at the 8th International CoMbustion Symposium,
Pasadexee in 1960,, This is a closed area so they vouTei
an Intelligence review. It was agreed that an Ad Hoc group
uppointed and that the MOWS should be reported to the f:eleretary
be Priday, 20 Februaey.
l2. Scientific Exchase PrREIT. The Chairman meted tuee
the Weather Bureau had forwarded a proposal to the Departmeet
Aato for the study of ritium as an aid to water resource pliseetege
Ada would ceee under the program set up by the Rational Aeadmeeee
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of Scianceo. It was agreed that the 7,!,:cretary wotal zirculate
copies and members could telephone appropriate ?:omments to him
(Attachment A). Mr:, Aat:cis ad whether the Committee
would review all of the M. proposals. The Chairman expressed
the hope that we would have an opportunity to look at each
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a three month advance notice by caah country 40 that ample
opportunity should be available for reiriew. It vas agreed that
the Ccgttee woad be responsible for reviewing these and ob-
jecting in those cases in uhich there seemed to be an intelli-
geme disadvantage to the tr:?,.
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