BRIEFING OF CIA SUBCOMMITTEE OF SENATE ARMED SERVICES AND SENATE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEES - 12 APRIL 1962

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP64B00346R000300340004-2
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• Document Creation Date: December 15, 2016
• Document Release Date: February 10, 2004
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• Publication Date: April 17, 1962
• Content Type: MFR

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SUBJECT: Briefing of CIA Subcommittees of Senate Armed Services
and Senate Appropriations Committees - 12 April 1962
1. The Director met with the joint CIA Subcommittees of Senate
Armed Services and Senate Appropriations for approximately two hours
beginning at 10:30 a. m. on Thursday, 12 April 1962. Present from the
Subcommittees were: Senators Russell, Hayden, Stennis, Young and,
for a short period, Chavez. William Darden, staff member, was present.
Present from the Agency were:
John A. McCone Arthur C. Lundahl
Huntington Sheldon Desmond Fitzgerald
Herbert Scoville, Jr. John S. Warner
No transcript was taken but there was a technical sweep of the room.
Two Security guards were on duty.
2. The DCI opened the briefing with a discussion of the
organizational changes within the Agency, discussing these for approxi-
mately 25 minutes. He touched on the major items such as: (a) concept
of the DDCI as the Executive and General Manager; (b) proposed Deputy
Director for Coordination; (c) establishment of an Executive Director as
a chief of staff; (d) Comptroller and General Counsel placed where they
are directly responsible to the Director; (e) the establishment of a Budget
and Review Committee under the chairmanship of the Comptroller and
placing of the Audit function under the over-all supervision of the Inspector
General; (f) establishment of a Deputy Director for Research to deal with
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all aspects of scientific collection and to bring together all scientific
talents previously dispersed in several parts of the Agency; (g)
appointment of Mr. Helms as the Deputy Director for Plans which
is the clandestine services and returning its function to one of
collection of intelligence by the more traditional efforts of humans;
establishment of an Assistant Director for Paramilitary and Air
Support; appointment of Mr. Karamessines as a deputy to Mr. Helms;
(h) some rearrangements in the DD/I which will strengthen this
function which is closely related to our statutory responsibility for
correlation, analysis and dissemination. Senator Russell comrwnted
that these changes appeared sound to him.
3. The question was raised concerning our covert operations.
It was pointed out that these were thoroughly reviewed weekly in a
group composed of General Taylor, Mr. Gilpatric from Defense,
and Mr. Alexis Johnson from State and the Director of Central
Intelligence and where matters were deemed appropriate they were
then taken to the President.
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5. Mr. Lundahl gave approximately a half hour briefing on that
information concerned with his function in which the Senators exhibited
a lively interest.
6. Senator Russell again expressed his lack of knowledge of
what NSA did, asking what is the line of demarcation between NSA and
CIA. He stated he had never heard of any NSA results. Mr. McCone
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explained the COMINT and ELINT missions and that it was part
of the Department of Defense with oversight from Assistant
Secretary of Defense Ruble. Even after some explanation, Senator
Russell said he could not see the difference between Agency and
NSA functions and indicated he thought there was a great deal of
duplication and he felt this duplication also occurred as between
monitoring stations of the three Services. In fact, he turned to
Senator Hayden and suggested that since Hayden gave them so
much money the two of them should be more fully briefed. Mr.
McCone said he would be glad to arrange such a briefing and
Senator Russell stated he would like this very much. (Mr. Sheldon
advised later that he would consider this question and take it up
with the DCI. )
7. Mr. Fitzgerald then gave a briefing on the situation in
Laos and North Vietnam including a briefing on CIA activities in
the area. He developed in some detail the CIA support of the Meo
tribe indicating we were now supplying approximately 12, 500 Meos
with arms, supplies and communications equipment.
8. Cuba was then discussed and indications of CIA activities
with regard to Cuba. There was considerable discussion of the
political bickering of the different Cuban refugee groups and the
difficulties this caused. Senator Stennis asked about missile sites
in Cuba and this was answered in the negative.
9. Senator Stennis referred to General Walker's testimony
in which he stated that Walt Rostow had been in real command of
CIA for many years. Mr. McCone stated he had never been employed
by the Agency. Senator Stennis quickly added he was merely raising
this in jest although he had press queries on whether he was going to
look into this charge.
10. Dr. Scoville very quickly gave some details on two major
programs under his jurisdiction. He indicated various schedules
and some of the problems which might create slippage.
11. The briefing concluded at 12:45. Certainly the Senators
present seemed extremely interested in the briefing and asked many
questions to gain a better understanding of the_varipus items.
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