DIA AND NSA APPROPRIATIONS HEARINGS BEFORE SENATOR RUSSELL

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• Publication Date: July 10, 1964
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SUBJECT:
Senator Russell
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1. This memorandum is for information.
2. General Carroll, for DLA, and General Blake. for NSA
appeared on successive days this week in appropriations hearings
before Senator Russell. A single copy of General Caarroll's testi-
mony is being held by the co?-ris-xxittee and and will not be released.
General Blake's testimony will not b transcribed. I talked with
DIA'e Comraptroller, and NSA's
;d NSA Appropriations Hearings before
ere present throughout their respective sessions.
ed the transcript of the DIA. testimony, and
took detailed notes on the NSA session.
3. After fTA had presented its prepared staaternent on the
budget, the co nmittee asked about the proposed DIA building and
went through the justification for it. This led to comments on the
great number of people in intelligence and a question. about the size
of LIA. General Carroll said their personnel figure would be about
the end of 1965, an: when Senator Russell said this was a
pretty heavy increase General Carroll explained that DIA was
ceo+;acanents.
created basically by transfers from the other intelligence
This apparently was pretty well accepted by the committee. General
Carroll noted that it was a modest number compared with CIA: and
NSA, whereupon Senator Russell re-.narked that there were c ore
people in U. S. intelligence than in the intelligence services of any
Cher four countries of the world.
4. Senator Russell asked about the relation of NSA to CIA
and ULA, and and General Carroll gave the explanation that NSA was a
producer of raw intelligence, DIA was a consumer for ?rotniction of
military intelligence, and CIA was a consumer of NSA and other raw
NSA, DIA
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intelli rence for, the national intelligence product.
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and got the clear impression that the committee members
did not understand technical intelligence terms such as "consumer,
"producer, " "collation, " "intelligence data, >1 'finished intelligence,?
etc. The committee asked if the policyrnakers did not get confused on
getting different reports from CIA, DIA, and NSA, and General Carroll
tried to explain who got what reports and for what, and again the
committee appeared to be confused. Senator Russell asked General
Carroll to present his concept to the committee in writing. and General
Carroll ported out that he really could only speak for the military.
This brought comment from the committee that no one person seemed
to speak for the whole, whereupon General Carroll explained the US1B
concept and the position of the Director. He was then asked if r-Ar. eCone
takes one view and all the rest of USIB differs whose estimate is the
national estimate. General Carroll explained the footnoting syste
id that such a situation could not really arise. The committee.
however, said that was not the point, maybe it could not arise but if
it did what would happen. Both Senator Russell and Senator Symington
repeatedly commented on the great number of people and wondered if
there were not organizational overlap and where could they find one
point of contact.
5. General Blake. after presenting his prepared statement,
was "ked for a clarification of NSA's role, and he emphasized that
it was a collection function of one peculiar type of information fr on-,
communication links or electronic emissions acquired through the
service collection units and brought back centrally to NSA to put in
usable form for the consumers, particularly CIA. He was asked who
attended USIl3 for NSA, and he said he himself did the greatest portion
of the time and in his absence his Deputy attended. He was asked if
it was a working board or merely one that philosophized on intel-
ligence problems, and he asserted that it was indeed a working board
under Mr. icCone's direction. with many specific problems In
coordination, collecti:rn, and production. Senator Symington asked
General Carroll who sat on USIB for the Department of Defense, an
General Carroll said he and General Blake were the DOD representa-
tives. Senator Symington asked if the services had any voice, and
General Carroll said yea they attended and had opportunity to state their
viewpoints. Senator Sytnington referred to the Cuban anis aile crisis
and said the Army, Navy, and Air Force all had widely varying views
as to the number and types of missiles and said it seemed to him very
confusing to try to get any single answer. He referred to his experience
as Secretary of the Air Force and the NSC where the military attended
but were not members and said this type of organization would not work.
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ustification in writing of compartmentalization of the
Senator Symington asked Senator Rue sell if he wou
intelligence effort in the Department of Defense. Senator Symington
said there should be a setup in Defense for purely military intel-
ligence, and CIA should do all the rest as State and other USIB
members were peripheral. As it was, he said, DOD had too many
offices which were not coordinated.
7. The committee asked some questions about defectors from
U. S. Intelligence components, particularly about Martin, Mitchell,
and Dunlap, and expressed unhappiness about having any such defec-
tions when so much money. time, and manpower was spent on intel-
ligence, security checks, and the like.
S. Neither General Carroll nor General Blake were asked
about budget matters as such, even though NSA is asking fora 1, 000
increase in personnel for this year and is prepared to defend it.
9. said there was an indication from Senator
Russell that a wo c you when he returned from Georgia to go
into this whole problem.
10. is preparing a concept paper in response to
Senator :puese s request and I told hire I thought you would want to
consider a coordinated approach to the committee and might want
to take this up next week in USIB.
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LAWRENCE R. HOUSTON
General Counsel
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