HEARINGS BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO INVESTIGATE THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE INTERNAL SECURITY ACT AND OTHER INTERNAL SECURITY LAWS OF THE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY UNITED STATES SENATE NINETIETH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION

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COMMUNIST THREAT TD~ ~T~HE UNITED STATES
THROUGH THE CARIBBEAN
HEARINGS
SUBCOMMITTEE TO INVESTIGATE THE
ADMINISTRATION OF THE INTERNAL SECURITY
.ACT AND OTHER INTERNAL SECURITY LAWS
COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY
UNITED STATES SENATE
NINI';TII'JTH CONGRIi;SS
PART 17
MARCH 7 ANI3 8, 1967
U.B. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OI~'PICII
68-903 WASIiINGTON :1967
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CO&IDIITTL+`F; ON THL JUDICIARY
JAMES O. EASITLAND, Mississippi, Chawrman
JOHN L. McCLELLAN, Arkansas EVI,RErTT McKINLEY DIRKSEN, Illinois
SAM J. ERVIN, Ja., North Carolina RODIAN L, HRUSKA, Nebraska
THOMAS J. DODD, Connecticut HIP6Abi L. FONG, Hawaii
PHILIP A. HAR~r, Mchigtu~ HU(xH SCOTT, Pennsylvania
EDWARD? V. LONG, Missouri STRObI THURMOND, South Carolina
EDWARD M. KENNEDY, Massachusetts
BIRCII BAYH, Indiana
(ZUEIVITIN N. BURDICK, North Dakota
JOSEPH D. ITYDINGS, Maryland
GEORGE A, SMAITI3ERS, Florida
SUBCOMMITTEE TO INVESTIOATIC THE .ADMINISTRATION OF THE INTERNAL
SECURITY ACT AND OTIIER INTERNAL SECURITY LAtiVs
JAMES O. EA~STLAN~Dy Mississippi, Chairman
(THOMAS J. DODD, Conneetleut, Vice Chairman
JOHN L. McCLELLAN, Arkansas ROMAN L. FIRUSKA, Nebraska
SAM J. ERVIN, Jn., North Carolina EVERL+`TT McKINLEY DIRKSL+`N, Illinois
BIRCH BAYH, Indiana Sp1ROM THURMOND, South Carolina
GEORGE A, SMA~THERS, Florida
J. G. Souawlxn, Ch~def Cownael
B~.xa"nasix BIANUEL, Director of Research
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CONTENTS
Testimony ai' :
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Antoni Apud-----------------------------------------------------
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I+milio Nunez-Portuondo__________________________________________
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Bernardo Benes_________________________________________________
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Aldo Rosado-----------------------------------------------------
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COMMUNIST THREA'~ TO THE UNITED STATES
THROUGH THE CARII~BEAN
TUESDAY, MARCH 7, 1967
U.S. SENATE,
SUBCOMMITTEE TO INVESTIGATE TIIE
ADMINISTRATION OP THE INTERNAL SECURITY ACT
AND OTIIER INTERNAL SECURITY HAWS,
OP TIIE CiOMMITTEE ON TIIE JUDICIARY,
Washington, D.O.
The subcommittee met., pursuant to notice, at 2:35 p.m., in ream
ll1~1, New Senate Oflice I3ui.ldi.ng, Senator Thomas J. Dodd presiding.
Present :Senators Dodd and Thurmond.
Also present : J. G. Sourwine, chief counsel ; Frank Schroeder, chief
investigator; Benjamin Mandel, research director; and David Martin,
investigation analyst.
Senator Donn. We will resume the hearing.
(A short portion of testimony at this point by Paul Bethel is.
printed in pt. 16 of this series on "Communist Threat to the United
States Through the Caribbean.)
Senator Donn. Come to order, please.
Mr. Apud.
Raise your right hand.
Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you give to the subcom-
mitteo will be the truth, the wha truth, and nothing but the truth, so
help you God ?
1~Tr. APUn. I da.
Senator Donn. I3o seated, please, and give your name and address.
T'E~BTIMONY OF ANTONIO APUD, MIAMI, FLA.
Mr. Arun. Antonio Apud.
Senator Donn. tiVhat is ,your address ?
Mr. APUD. Apud is my last name.
Mr. SOURWINE. Where do you live, sir?
Mr. APUD. Miami City, 301 Northwest 103d Street.
Mr. SouxwlNE. How long have you been in the United States ~
Mr. Arun. Since last December.
Mr. SOURWINE. You left Cuba when?
Mr. Arun. About the 30th of November; something like that.
Senator Donn. November 1966 ?
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Mr. Arun. 1966.
Mr. SouxwrNE. Did you for some time hold a position in the Gov-
ernment of Cuba under Fidel Castro?
Mr. Arun. I didn't hear very well.
Mr. SouxwrNE. Did you hold a position in the Cuban Government,
or in an agency of the Cuban Government, after Fidel Castro came
into power ?
Mr. Arun. Yes, sir.
Mr. SouxwrNE. Would you tell us about that, please? How it came
about and what position you hold ?
Mr. Arun. I was Chief of the Dep.a:rtment of Supplies for the Plan
for Industrialization of Cuba, comprising 102 factories.
Mr. SouxwrNE. When did you get this j ob ?
Mr. A~rrun. 1962.
Mr. pOURWINE. 1962?
Mr. Arun. Yes.
Mr. SouxwrNE. And how_ long did you hold it ?
Mr. Arun. For about 2 years.
Mr. SouxwrNE. You left that job in 1964?
Mr. Arun. 1964; yes.
Mr. SouxwrNE. Then what did you d.o
Mr. Arun. _I was a technician far the Organization and System De-
partment of the Ministry of Industry.
Mr. SouxwrNE. Organization and Systems Department?
Mr. Arun. Yes, sir.
Mr. SouxwrNE. 'Of the Ministry of --
Mr. Arun. Industries.
Mr. SouxwrNE. .Industries'' The head of that Ministry was Che
Guevara?
Mr. Arun. No, Harold Andors.
Mr. SouxwrNE. How do you spell it?
Mr. Arun. A-n-d-e-r-s.
Mr. SouxwrNE. What did Che Guevara have to do with it, if any-
thing ?
Mr. Arun. With the industrialization plan ?
Mr. SouxwrNE. Na; wasn't he the head of the Department of In-
dustries ?
Mr. Arun. Che Guevara.
Mr. SouxwrNE. Che Guevara.?
Mr. Arun. Yes.
Mr. SouxwrNE. And you had a division under the Department of
Industry ?
Mr. Arun. Yes, sir.
Mr. SouxwrNE, And you were the head of that division ?
Mr. Arun. I was Chief of that Department.
Mr. SouxwrNE. How many men were there between you and Che
Guevara?
Mr. Arun. One.
Mr. SouxwrNE. I-Ie was a Minister? Che Guevara was a Minister?
Mr. Arun. Yes.
Mr. SouxwrNE. Who was the man between you and him?
Mr. Arun. IIarold Anders.
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Mr. ~Sox7izwrNn. He was head of the Department?
Mr. Arun. Director.
Mr. Sox7r;wrrrE. Then you came under him ?
Mr. Arun. Yes, sir.
Mr. SouxxwzrrE. Now, during that period of time, were you pro-
Castx?o ?
Mr. APUn. No, sir; I was against Castro all the time.
Mr. Soz7rzwxrrn. Now, tell us how it came about that a person who
was not a Castroite, was not pro.~Castro, was, as you say, against
Castro all the time, was in such an important position m the Mmistxy
of Industry?
Mr. APIID. Because I had a top position with a sugar mill corpora-
tion, an American sugar mill corporation.
1'VIr. SouxwrrrE. What was that corporation ?
Mr. APUn. Atlantic Sugar Gulf Corp.
Mr. SOURwINE. Atlantic Gulf Sugar Corp. ?
Mr. Arun. Sugar corporation.
Mr. SouxtwirrE. How long were you with that corporation ?
Mr. Arun. I tivorked there for 23 years.
Mr. Sauxzwxrrr. Twenty-three years before Castro took over?
Mr. Ariln. I: es, sir.
Mr. Soux;wzNr. And when he took over the sugar industry prop-
erties, he took ,you over, too, as an employee?
l~Ir. APUD. ~rVith all. the employees.
Mr. SouazwrrrE. And you continued with those properties for 2
years ?
Mr.11run. Yes, sir.
Mr. Souizwarrr. And then you got transferred into this other job
under Che Guevara?
Mr. Arun. Fiecause the sugar business was transferred to the Min-
istry of Industry.
Mr. SOirRFVINP;. The sugar business was transferred, and again you
were transferred with the business?
Mr. Arun. Yes, sir.
Mr. SounwxxE. Nov, what was generally the business of the Min-
istry of Industries?
Mr. Arun. The industrialization plan.
Mr. Souizwrrrz:. Well, it did some other things, too, didn.'t it?
Mr. Arun. We11, they have an arms factory.
Mr. S[)I7RwINP. The Ministry of Industries was the cover, was it
not, under which Che Guevara operated to send arms and arranged
for guerrilla infiltration in other countries in Latin America?
Mr. APUD. They started to da that since January 10 of 1959.
Mr. Souz:wxrzn. They started it then?
Mr.. APT.m. Yes.
'~'Ir. SouizwxNr. j~rere they still doing it when you left?
~0![r. Arun. They never stopped it.
l'fr. Soul{warrE. They never stopped. As far as you know, they are
doing it today?
?1Tr.. APUD. Yes.
llr. SouswxNi;. Did you have anything to do with that8
Mr. Arun. No, sir.
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Mr. SOIIRWINE. You did not.
Did you know what was being done ?
NIr. AFIID. Yes, we knew all about it.
Mr. SOIIRWINE. As the number three man in the Ministry, you had
to know, didn't you ?
Mr. Arun. In a way, because I have to supply a lot of things for
the new factories.
Mr. SOURWINE. Yes.
Mr. Arun. And I was in charge of all the supplies.
Mr. SOURWINE. NOw, tell us what you know in your own words
about the furnishing of supplies, arras, ammunition, other supplies
to or for guerrilla fighters Ill various countries of Latin America
from Cuba.
Mr. Aruv. Well, they started to do that in 1`J59. They have been
sending the arms through Panama, Venezuela, and Peru. They fig-
ured out that they would ha~~e the general quarters at Peru. From
Peru, they are sending the arms to five republics, because as you can
see on tho map, Peru borders with five Latin-American rountrles. _It
is the only country in South America that borders with so many Latin
Emerican countries.
Mr. SouRwlrrE. Is that what Castro had reference to when he said
in his speech, "we'll make the Cordillera of the Andes the Sierra
Maestro of South America" ?
Mr. Arun. Yes, they have been sending arms far about 8 years,
because they changed their plans.
In Cuba, they sent a-few men and a few arms from Mexico. But
here they planted the arms. They are teaching all the, guerrillas in
Cuba.
Mr. SOURwINE. Did your agency, tl is Ministry of Industries, have
anything to do with the training of guerrillas?
Mr. Arun. No, but we have-their ramp is very-near to the places
where we were building the factories.
Mr. SouRwINE. Did you hear the testimony of Mr. Bethel this
morning ?
Mr. Aruv. Yes, sir.
Mr. SouRwINE. He said 10,000 guerrillas a year are trained in Cuba.
Mr. APUD. Maybe more.
Mr. SouRwINE. Maybe more?
Mr. Arun. Yes, sir.
Mr. SouswlNE. For how long has that been going on at that rate?
Mr. Arun. Well, at the beginning, there were so many, because at
the beginning, they haven't got just what we call quite an Army.
But after the Russlans came in, I visited a -Russian camp with 4,000
officers in the Province of ~Iavana. So they were teaching the
Cubans, and after the Cubans, there came people from all Latin
American countries.
Senator Donn. How many officers?
Mr. Arun. 4,400.
Senator Donn. Russian officers?
Mr. Arun. Russian officers, and we found out that there were 4,000,
because they have a very large equipment of laundries. So the day
we got there-I got there because I have to deliver 300 security lamps,
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and I was surprised about th~tit, because I didn't figure out why they
needed those lamps. But after that, they explained to me that they
were installing those lamps in underground airports.
Mr. SOURWINE. In underground headquarters ?
Mr. Arun. Airports, too.
Senator Donn. Underground airports ?
Mr. Arun. Yes. And they have1,000 sheets, washing sheets that
day.
Senator Donn. Sheets ? Bed sheets ?
Mr. Arun. Sheets for the bed; yes.
Mr. SourtwlNE. If you want to know how many people tltere are,
you count the laundry, Senator.
Senator Donn. That is one way.
Mr. Arun. That is an easy Way to count it.
Mr. SounwrNE. 4,000 dirty sheets; 4,000 officers.
Mr. Arun. Two can't live m ono sheet.
Mr. SOURWINE. That is possible. It might be more.
Well, sir, that was some years ago that you had the 4,000 ILussian
officers. The 10,000 we're talking about, that there are supposed to
be according to the testimony this morning, are men from various
countries in Latin America who are being trained as guerrillas to
go back to their own countries or to other Latin American countries
to stir up trouble.
Mr. Arun. There are people coming from all Latin American coun-
tries; the Conga, too. Congo, and the Communist Congo.
Mr. SounwrNE. The 10,000 includes some men from the Communist
Congo, the Brazzaville Congo?
Mr. Arun. We had a camp in 1066, some time in February, in a
place about 9 kilometers from Havana, tivhere they had 1,000 men,
1,000 Congolese.
Mr. SounwrNE. 1,000 Congo?
Mr. Arun. And the year after, they had the same quantity; when
Che Guevara left the Ministry, they were sent to the Congo.
Mr. SouxwrrrE. Were these the same men, or was this another
thousand ?
Mr. Arun. They are rotating.
Mr. SounwrNE. They are turning over ?
Mr. Arun. Yes.
i~Tr. SounwrNE. How often?
Mr. Arun. Once a year, or every 9 months.
Mr. SouxwrrrE. Nine months to a year. Who trains these men? It
started out With the Soviets. Who is training them now? Cubans,
Vietnamese, or what?
Mr. Arun. They have Czechs.
Mr. SounwrNE. Czechs ?
11Ir. Arun. Russians, and Spanish Communists.
Mr. SovitwrNE. Spanish Communists?
Mr. Arun. Yes, those are the
Mr. SOiTRWINE. There Were more Spanish Communists at the ear-
lier date than now, were there not?
Mr. Arun. They have been starting to come to Cuba around 1962.
But Enrique Lister, General Lister, he came in 1960 to work on the
fortification all over the islands, military fortifications.
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Mr. SouxwzNE. How about the :LVorth Vietnamese, the so-called
Vietcong that Mr. Bethel told us about this morning? Do you knoFv
how many of them there were training ?
Mr. Arun. Well, there are- some :in Cuba, and they are teaching
the Cubans in places very much alike to the swamps in the Vietcong.
Senator Donn. I shall have to suspend for avote. -
(Short recess. )
Senator Donn. The committee wild resume.
Mr. SouxtwzrrF. Go ahead, sir.
Mr. Arun. They even starxed to send articles to Colombia with the
book of Che Guevara in 1960. At that time,-they were working very
hard on the seamen's unions, ships all around Sottth America and
Colombia anal all ghat.
l7?r. SOURWINE. The seamen's unions; yes, sir.
Mr. AYUD. So they were sending t:he arms through the seamen in
cargo holds.
Mr. Souxwztvr. This was part of the smuggling? -They ~ve.re smug-
gling them on cargo boats through -the aid of Communist, members
of the seamen's union, right ?
Mr. Arun. Yes, but I want to cal]. your attention to something. In
1948-this looks something li Ire Sout}t America, and this is Cuba.
They had a plan in 1948 in Colombia. The plans were made in-
I know about the plan of the 9th. of April of 1948. They had two
strategies. One they called the Triangle of the Caribbean. There
was Cuba, Venezuela, and Mexico.
So the plaits tivere made by the Soviet Union anal Castro knew all
about that. So they planned at the beginning to get one of these
three countries first on the Russian side. So they have Cuba.
The second. plan is tivhat they have now, and they call it the tricon.
They are working here now.
Mr. SouxwzNE. In Russian, that would be troika, wouldn't it?
Mr. Arun. Yes.
You must remember that about 3 years ago, Brazil. almost was
seized by the Communist groups. Remember that? So they sent--
they had headquarters here ar Peru, because Peru is the best country
for them. They have the Andes and they have five Latin American
countries, whore they can move very easily from one place to another.
That is where they were sending arms since April of 1948. They
called that the Fourth Pan-American. Conference, held in Bogota in
Apx~l of 1948, when they killed Jorge Eliezer Gaitan. Castro took
part in that. In Cuba, we know that operation, because it was done
in Bogota.
Mr. SouxtivzrrE. To comp down a liittle more to date, because -you
can give information right down to last year, in what quantities were
arms being shipped from Cuba for ttse by guerrillas in other Latin
American countries at the tithe that you left the b'[inist.ry?
Mr. Arun. At the beginning, they were sending the arms through
Panama, Ecuador. and Colombia, and through the airport of Antio-
quia. Through Bolivia, they -were sending the arms, through Peru in
1963, right through the mountains in two places, called Viota, and
Sumapar, S-u-m-a-p-a-r.
Through Ecuador, they were sending to Guayaquil. That is the
plan.
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Now, after that, Castro built a fleet of a lot of ships for fishing.
Mr. SOURWINI';. Castro built fishing vessels ?
Mr. Arun. I+ishing vessels. '
They ranged from 50 tons to 13,000 tons.
Mr. SOURWINE. Have these vessels- been used for the shipment of
arms ?
Mr. APIID. Yes, and they are sending arms to Vietnam in this boat.
Mr. SouxwlNE. The 13,000-ton boat.
1VIr. Arun. And to South America in the small boats. They have
two. One of them is the Lambdre; L-a-m-b-d-a.
Mr. SouuwlNn. The Lambda is a .typo of vessel customarily as-
sociated with Venezuela, is it not ?
Mr. APIIn. Yes, sir.
Mr. Soux~vlNn. And they are making these in Cuba ?
Mr. Arun. All these boats are made m Cuba, the small. ones.
Others are supplied by Spain.
Mr. SOURWINE. Supplied by Spain, the 13,000-ton vessels are made
in Spain?
Mr. Arun. In Spain. They have about eight already that I remem-
ber.
Mr. SouriwlNE. And they are flying the Cuban flag ?
Mr. Apun. Yes, sir..
But now, lately, the captains of those boats are Russian.
Mr. SourwlNE. Well, you say they are carrying awns to North Viet-
nam ?
Mr. Arun. In this boat.
Mr. SOURW~NE: In the 13,000-ton supposedly fishing boat?
Mr. Arun. Well, they call these cargo boats, because they go to
Japan and they bring a lot of stuff from Japan and other countries,
anal they send the sugar in them.
Mr. SouliwlNE. Where do they get the arms that are sent to North
Vietnam ?
Mr. Arun. Russia, Czechoslovakia, Belgium.
Now, for example
Mr. SOURwINE. What kind of a trip will these Cuban vessels make?
They will take sugar from Cuba to Japan?
Mr. Apun. Well., they take sugar and arms. They go to China, too.
Mr. SouxwlNr. To China, too?
Mr. Arun. From Belgium, they get the FAL, one of their best
rifles. Now they are scratching out the name of FAL and they call
them now Lenin, and they are sending this Lenin for the last 2 years
to Peru and there are more machine guns called Metralleta, a very
small one, because they heard in Cuba that this company, the FAL
Co., was bought by the United States. So they were afraid they won't
get any parts for the rifle.
They are sending these, too, because they received lately a better
rifle-they say it rs better-from Russia, a machine gun, rn large
quantities.
Mr. SouswlNZ;J. That is what I want to get at; how large? What
quantities? Thousands? Tens of thousands?
Mr. Arun. Well., Cuba can have an army right now of 1 million
people.
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Mr. SOURWINE. For instance, how many of these FAL rifles, how
many machine guns; how many Lenins have been sent to Peru $
Mr. APIID. Nobody knows.
Mr. SoIIRWINE. Nobody knows?
Mr. APUD. But they are sending many arms to these places for the
last 7 years already, 8 years.
Mr. SOIIRWINE. Do you know how many there are in the guerrilla
forces in Peru ? The Cuban-controlled or Cuban-oriented forces
there?
Mr. APIID. Well, they are graduating about a thousand, maybe
2,000 a~~ year.
Mr. ~JOURWINE. They are training that many ?
Mr. APUD. Yes, traxmng-let's say 20,000.
Mr. SOIIRWINE. 20,000 now in Peru ?
Mr. APIID. Yes.
WellC~, that means Peru, Colombia, Chile, Ecuador, Venezuela
Mr. A70IIRwINE. 20,000 all together ?
Mr. APIID. We figure that.
Mr. SOIIRWINE. You figure that many ?
1VIr. APIID. Yes.
But beside these boats, they are making replicas.
Mr. SOIIRWINE. Making replicas?
Mr. APIID. Of all these countries' boats.
Mr. SoIIRwINE. They are m~~king boats that are customarily used
in the ports of each of those countries ?
Mr. APIID. Yes.
Mr. SouxwlNE. And then using those; to ship the arms to that coun-
try ?
Mr. APIID. No. Now, for instance, t]'~ey know that Colombia has a
boat named Omega, so they take a picture of this boat and they build
one in Cuba like that, the sam~3 boat. So they bring the arms up to
hare. They say they are going fishing. Then the other one comes out
here, picks that up in their rubber bags, labster
Mr. SOIIRWINE. They put the arms in lobster pots ?
Mr. APIID. Yes.
Mr. SourwlNE. And tho boat comes from shore, picks them up,
a~Id takes them t.o shorn ?
Mr. APVn. Because that bag goes to the bottom of the sea. They
are packed in rubber bags.
Mr. SouxwlNE. Packed in rubber? Watertight?
1VIr. APIID. Yes.
So 2 or 3 days after, this boat; comes around. If they get this boat,
they have all papers, the seamen; for instance, Colombian papers.
Tlaey can't do anything about iit. And they have the name and the
nuanber of registration and everything.
Mr. SOIIRWINE. They are counterfeiting boats, in other words, and
using them to transship arms?
Mr. APIID. Yes.
Mr. SOURWINE. And that is the way they carry the arms to Central
A~xierica.
Mr. APIID. But what they are sending to Cuba is different. You
have a boat here, .let's say about three, 8,000 tons. If they put the
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missile in here, it won't work. So they open the boat here and they
ship the missile in here [indicating].
Does any one of you remember the Needle of Cleopatra, one obelisk
that reached a place in Central Park in New York?
Senator Done. I shall have to suspend.
(Short recess.)
Senator Donn. We'll reconvene.
141r. Arun. In 1888, 'a~n American man called Vanderbilt received
from Egypt an obelisk called the Needle of Cleopatra. That was in
the 1880'x, and he had a hard time to get it to New York, because the
height was 69 feet, 8 feet at the base, and the weight was 200 tons.
So t;h.ey don't know how to carry it.
At that time the instruments were not so ood. The idea was that
they would open the boat here (in the bow and put the Needle of
Cleopatra here (into the opening so that it rested lengthways on the
bottom of tho boat) . So that is the way they brought it to Nezv York,
and it is installed in Central Park, New York, right now.
Nell, missiles in Cuba, long-range missiles, weighed much less than
this. They are about 60 to 80 feet and their range is about a hundred
miles.
Senator Donv. Have ,you actually seen these yourself ?
Mr. Arun. We saw four. I saw four in November, about a weel:
before I left I-Iavana, about 1 o'clock in the morning; four of them.
Senator Donn. 1966?
Mr. Aruv. 1966. The information I have is from boys that tivere
working for me many years, and they are now in the military service;
they already named those missiles with tho names-Washington
Central.
Mr. Sounwrxi?;. Washington Central, meaning central Washington ?
Mr. Arun. Washington Left and Washington Right.
Mr. SouRwixn. Washington Right--I suppose it was in Spanish?
Mr. Ar. un. In Spanish. Washington Derecha, Washington Cen-
tro, Washington Izquierda. The range of this missile is same 1,250
to 1,300 miles long and it is about 6 or 7 feet in diameter.
They have- another one, this missile; they have no livings or
stabilizers.
Mr. Souxwx:vn. How did these missiles get to Cuba? Did they come
in vessels like you have drawn there?
Mr. Arun. Two ways. This is one way. In this tivay, I think it is
very hard for the U-2 planes to detect them, because all this Hoor is
steel, you know, iron or steel. In other words, they come unassembled.
Mr. SOURWINE. Unassembled. But some of them come in in the
bellies of ships like that? What kinds of ships? Tankers?
Mr. Arun. Well, about 10,000 tons or something like that. The
one that brought the Needle of Cleopatra was a very small boat and
you can find reference to that in any encyclopedia.
Mr. Sourwxivn. We have two pictures here that we know they are
pictures of. First I will show ,you this picture.
Mr. Arens, would you hand this to the witness ?
IIere are two diflerent views of the same type of missile. Have you
seen missiles like that in Cuba ?
Mr. Arun. This is one.
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Senator DODD. Now, tive had better make the record clear what you
have.
Mr. SoUnwINE. You have seen missiles like that in Cuba ?
Mr. APUD. And larger than that.
Mr. SounwxNE. Larger than this ? How much larger ?
Mr. APUD. About 70 feet long.
Mr. SoUr;wiNE. I beg your pardon ?
Mr. APUD. About 70 feet long.
Mr. SouxwlNE. You have seen missiles lik? this, but 70 feat long?
Were they carried on half tracks like this ?
Mr.-Arun.