BRIEFING BY MR. CARL DUCKETT, DD/S&T, OF SOBCOMMITTEE ON RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, SENATE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE, 17 MARCH 1969

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• Publication Date: March 19, 1969
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SUBJECT: Briefing by Mr. Carl Duckett, DD/S&T, of Subcommittee
on Research and Development, Senate Armed Services
Committee, 17 March 1969
1. On 17 March 1969, I accompanied Mr. Carl Duckett, DD/S&T,
who briefed the above Subcommittee on Soviet research and development
and related matters. The session lasted from 0910 to 1050 hours. The
room, 224A Old Senate Office Building,
The briefing and discussion included material up to
and including Top Secret. No transcript was made.
2. Present from the Subcommittee were:
Thomas J. McIntyre (D. , N. H. ), Chairman
Stephen M. Young (D. , Ohio)
George Murphy (R. , Calif.)
Edward W. Brooke (R. , Mass.)
John Stennis, Chairman of the full Armed Services
Committee
3. Present from the Subcommittee staff was:
Colonel Everett Harper
4. Present from the Agency were:
Carl Duckett
John M. Maury
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5. At the outset, Senator Brooke expressed to the Chairman
his disappointment that a member of his staff could not be present,
explaining that on many matters of this kind he was too busy to devote
the necessary time himself and would prefer to rely on a competent
staff assistant. The Chairman said he sympathized with this view,
but Senator Stennis had ruled that only members were eligible for
briefings of this sensitivity, and that the matter should be taken up
with Senator Stennis.
6. Mr. Duckett then briefed the Subcommittee on:
a. Organization and Control of the Soviet
Research and Development Program.
b. Soviet Scientific and Technical Manpower.
c. Historical Trends and Current Cost of
Soviet Research and Development for Weapons
Systems.
d. Soviet Approaches in Research and
Development, Particularly Stressing Practices
that Differ from those in the U. S.
e. Specific Research and Development
Projects: Missile Technology, Nuclear Weapons,
Naval Weapons Systems, Aircraft and Aeronautical
Research, Laser Developments, Computer Technology,
Radar Developments, and Space Program.
7. Significant questions and answers thereto were roughly as
follows:
a. In response to questions about the nature,
reliability and adequacy of the information on which
Agency conclusions are based, Mr. Duckett explained
in general terms
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b. In response to Senator Young's questions
regarding the importance of on-sight inspection for
verification purposes, Mr. Duckett expressed the
personal view that technical coverage was reasonably
satisfactory so far as most physical facilities were
concerned, but might prove inadequate for Soviet
mobile missile launchers.
C. In response to a question from the Chairman
regarding our confidence in our intelligence, Mr. Duckett
explained that we have a high degree of confidence in our
information about systems already deployed, but far less
confidence regarding the follow-on systems which are still
in the planning stage,
d. During the discussion, Senator Stennis suggested
that, in view of time limitations, it might be desirable for
us to provide the Subcommittee with written answers to a
questionnaire prepared by the Subcommittee staff, Senator
Young strongly endorsed this, commenting that since he had
his hands full representing 10 million constituents, he was
in the habit of pondering more weighty matters at home in
the evenings. Senator Brooke also favored written answers
to certain questions in which he was interested, including
the relative costs of the Soviet and U. S. ABM efforts to date.
Colonel Harper at this point suggested that in the proposed
written responses we should carefully separate classified
information and unclassified information, pointing out that
much of the classified information was extremely sensitive.
I noted that even in the case of unclassified material it was
extremely important that there be no attribution to the Agency.
Senator Young volunteered the remark that he would of course
be very careful about any classified matters, since it "made
his blood boil" to sometimes read classified information in the
newspapers.
8. All those present seemed thoroughly impressed with Mr. Duckett's
briefing and Senators Stennis, McIntyre and Young, in particular, spoke
of it with enthusiasm.
JOHN M. MAURY
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