STAFF DEL PINCUS AND PAUL

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• Publication Date: July 31, 1969
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SiJB,J STAFFDEL PINCUS AND PAUL
R'EF STATE 99861
1 STAFFD L PINCUS AND PAUL SPENT BULK OF FOUR-DAY
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VISIT_ TO TAIWAN WITH US MILITARY AUTHORITIES, INCLUDING
VISITS tO CCK AND TAINAN AIR BASES AND QUEMOY (LATTER
UNDER"MND AUSPICES). USTDC HAS REPORTED THEIR CONVERSA-
TION WITH VARIOUS MILITARY -UNITS TO JCS. DURING FIRST
DAY OF VISIT, PINCUS AND PAUL MET WITH AMBASSADOR,
DCM, POLITICAL COUNSELOR, AND ECONOMIC COUNSELOR FOR
OVER TWO HOURS. IN RESPONSE THEIR REQUEST, EMBOFFS
GAVE STAFFDEL FULL BUT INFORMAL POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC
BRIEFING. FOLLOWING ARE SIGNIFICANT SUBJECTS COVERED
DURING SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSION.
A. RECENT GRC RAID ON MAINLAND: THEY ASKED IF GRC HAD
INFORMED US GOVERNMENT IN ADVANCE AND WHAT EMBASSY?S
REACTION HAD BEEN. AMBASSADOR REVIEWED HIS JULY 4 REPRE-I'
SENTATIONS TO .CCK AND CCK?S REPLY.. STAFFDEL SEEMED CON~CER:NED
SUCH GRC RAID MIGHT PORVOKE CHICOM RESPONSE WHICH
COULD LEAD TO US INVOLVEMENT. THEY ASKED HOW US WOULD
RESPOND TO ANY CHICOM RETALIATION. THERE WAS A GENERAL
DISCUSSION OF THIS HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION, WHICH OF COURSE
COULD NOT BE PRECISELY ANSWERED. THEY WANTED TO KNOW IF SUCH,
A RAID FELL WITHIN SCOPE OF 1954 EXCHANGE OF NOTES. WE
REPLIED THAT THERE WAS NO PRECISE DEFINITION OF TYPES OF
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ACTION COVERED BY EXCHANGE OF NOTES, AND IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT
TO DEVISE SUCH A DEFINITION. HOWEVER, WE FELT GRC RECOGNIZED
ITS OBLIGATIONS TO CONSULT USG IF CONTEMPLATED ACTION COULD
RESONABLY BE CONSIDERED SUFFICIENTLY PROVOCATIVE BY
CHICOMS TO BRING MAJOR CHICOM RETALIATION. IN LATER
AFTER-DINNER CONVERSATION WITH COMTDC, CHMAAG, DCM, THEY
PRESSED HARD ON HOW WE KNEW THAT GRC DOES NOT ASSUME US
WOULD COME TO GRC ASSISTANCE IF CHICOMS RETALIATED, EVEN
IN A RELATIVELY MINOR WAY, TO SOME GRC ACTION. WE
RESPONDED THAT ALTHOUGH THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT COULD
BE FORMALIZED, WE'WERE CONFIDENT THAT THE 'GRC WAS
FULLY AWARE OF OUR POSITION.
B.. JOINT US/GRC MILITARY EXERCISES: STAFFDEL ASKED HOW.
EMBASSY MONITORS JOINT US/GRC EXERCISES; IN PARTICULAR. THE
RECENT SPECIAL FORCES EXERCISE FORWARD THRUST. THEY HAD
GAINED. IMPRESSION FROM CONVERSATIONS IN OKINAWA THAT SCENARIO
SUGGESTIVE OF TRAINING OF GRC SPECIAL FORCES- FOR MAINLAND
RAIDS. WE TOLD STAFFDEL EMBASSY INFORMED ABOUT BUT DOES NOT
CLOSELY MONITOR 'THESE ROUTINE ANNUAL DRILLS. TDC BELIEVES
THEIR DETAILED BRIEFINGS ON FORWARD-THRUST CORRECTED'
STAFFDEL?S IMPRESSION. (.N.B. WE BELIEVE THAT SCENARIO COULD
BE ALTERED NEXT YEAR SO AS TO AVOID MISUNDERSTANDING ON THIS
SCORE.)
C. OTHER, MORE GENERAL QUESTIONS STAFFDEL ASKED CONCERNED
STRATEGIC IMPORTANCE OF TAIWAN, US GOVERNMENT ATTITUDE
TOWARD MORE REPRESSIVE ASPECTS GRC REGIME, AND IMPORTANCE
OF OFFSHORE ISLANDS.
2. IN GENERAL, IN CONVERSATIONS WITH EMBOFFS AND WITH
US MILITARY AUTHORITIES, PINCUS AND PAUL SEEMED ANXIOUS TO
DETERMINE IF US HAD INCURRED COMMITMENTS TO GRC GOING
.BEYOND THOSE OF.MUTUAL DEFENSE TREATY. THEY SEEMED CONCERNED
US AUTHORITIES, ORALLY, IN WRITING, OR MERELY BY THEIR
ACTIONS HAD AGREED OR GIVEN GRC IMPRESSION US WOULD PROVIDE
GRC ASSISTANCE IN ADDITION TO THAT CONTEMPLAED BY TREATY. IN
INFORMAL COMMENT TO EMBOFF SHORTLY BEFORE DEPARTURE, THEY
INDICATED SKEPTICISM THAT BUILD-UP OF CCK AIRBASE FACILITIES
WAS.SOLELY FOR VIETNAM SUPPORT PURPOSES, IMPLYING THAT THEY
THOUGHT, THAT SOME PEOPLE EXPECT THAT IT WOULD BE USED LATER FOR
OTHER PURPOSES, E.G. IN CONNECTION WITH OKINAWA REVERSION.
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3. STAFFDEL ASLSO ASKED ABOUT VANGUARD PROGRAM AND
EMBASSY PREPARED BRIEF MEMORANDUM FOR THEM
OUTLINING US AND GRC CONTRIBUTIONS. ONLY OTHER DOCUMENT
FURNISHED STAFFDEL BY EMBASSY WAS BRIEF MEMO OUTLINING
USIS RELATIONSHIP WITH SEVENTH PSYCHOLOGICAL OPERATIONS
GROUP. EMBASSY WILL POUCH COPIES OF THESE MEMOS TO
EA/ROC. STAFFDEL REQUESTED ONE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENT
WHICH WILL BE SUBJECT SEPTEL. GP-1.
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1. REF A, A WRAP-UP OF THE PINCUS AND PAUL VISIT TO THE
PHILIPPINES, MADE REFERENCE TO A STATEMENT I N THE 26 JUNE
MDB INTELLINGENCE COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES THAT THE US
WOULD BE A CUSTOMER FOR THE PROPOSED ROK M-16 FACTORY.
2. THE PURPOSE OF THE PROPOSED M-16 FACTORY IS TO EQUIP
THE ROK FORCES WITH M-16 RIFLES THAT CANNOT BE OTHERWISE
FUIQ~D'. FROM KOREA MAP. IT IS I N NO WAY INTENDED THAT THE
US OR THIRD COUNTRIES WOULD BE CUSTOMERS OF THE PROPOSED
PLANT IN KOREA.
3. FOR CINCPACREPPHIL: REQUEST APPROPRIATE ACTION BE
TAKEN TO CORRECT THIS ERRONEOUS INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION.
4. FOR JCS: RECOMMEND THAT PLNCUS AND PAUL BE ADVISED THAT
THEY WERE CORRECTLY BRIEFED IN KOREA ON THE PROPOSED M-16
FACTORY AND THAT INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE MDBINTELL?
IGE NCE COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES OF 26 JUNE 68 WAS INCORRECT.
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SUBJECT: PINCUS/PAUL VISIT TO PHILIPPINES
1o PINCUS AND PAUL INQUIRED IN DETAIL ABOUT WHAT MILITARY
ORGANIZATIONS THERE ARE IN THE PHILIPPINES, THEIR SIZE
EQUIPMENT, AND THEIR ACTIVITIES. UNDERLYING THESE QUESTIONS
WERE AT LEAST TWO MAJOR THEMES, AS WELL AS NUMBER OF SPECIFIC
ISSUES. ONE THEME WAS WHETHER ALL OF THE ORGANIZATIONS AND
PERSONNEL ARE NECESSARY NOW AND WHETHER THEY WILL BE NECESSARY
POST-VIETNAM. ANOTHER THEME WAS ON US MILITARY ORGANIZATIONS'
ACTIVITIES WHICH MIGHT LEAD TO US INVOLVEMENT IN FUTURE
HOSTILITIES IN PHILIPPINES OR IN SOUTHEAST ASIA.
2. IS IT AL NECESSARY? IN THEIR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ACTIVITIES
AND PERSONNEL STRENGTHS OF MILITARY ORGANIZATIONS IN
PHILIPPINES, PINCUS AND PAUL APPEARED TO BE LOOKING FOR
OVER-STAFFING, REDUNDANCY, AND DUPLICATION. FOR EXAMPLE,
THEY SEEMED PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN ALL COMMUNICATIONS
FACILITIES AND GAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT NOT ONLY IS THERE
OVER-STAFFING WITHIN SOME OF THE COMMUNICATIONS FACILITIES
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HOWEVER, WHEN GIVEN A SHORT BRIEFING BY DCA, NO QUESTIONS
WERE'AD.KEDG THEY ALSO COMMENTED ON THE NECESSITY OF
MAINTAINING SEPARATE CINCPACREPPHIL/COMNAVPHIL STAFF,
AND WONDERED WHETHER THESE FUNCTIONS COULD NOT BE COMBINED
WITH THOSE OF THE ADMIRAL AT NAVBASE SUBIC. THEY RAISED
QUESTIONS ABOUT PRESENT NEED FOR TWO SPECIFIC INSTALLATIONS:
(A) JOHN HAY -- WHILE WEATHER MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM
TO VISIT JOHN HAY, THEY GAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY WERE
NOT CONVINCED THAT CONTINUED US TENURE OF JOHN HAY IS NECESSARY.
(B) MACTAN -- IN THEIR BRIEFING THEY WERE TOLD THAT
MACTAN WAS ACTIVATED FOR PURPOSE OF HANDLING SUPPLY FLIGHTS
TO VIETNAM. THEY WERE TOLD THAT SUPPLY FLIGHTS TO VIETNAM
ARE NOW APPROXIMATELY ONE HUNDRED A MONTH OR SLIGHTLY.MORE
.THAN?THREE PER DAY. IN RESPECT TO THESE FLIGHTS, FUNCTION
OF THE DETACHMENT AT MACTAN IS TO FUEL THE AIRCRAFT AND
PROVIDE QUARTERS FOR THEIR CREWS TO SLEEP OVERNIGHT. TO
ACCOMPLISH THIS TASK MACTAN HAS APPROXIMATELY 550 AMERICANS,
APPROXIMATELY 200 FILIPINO EMPLOYEES, (AFA AND NAFA).
AND APPROXIMATELY 190 CONTRACT EMPLOYEES. PINCUS AND PAUL
.COMMENTED TO THEIR ESCORT OFFICER THAT NO ONE COULD DOUBT
THAT MACTAN SHOULD BE CLOSED IMMEDIATELY. THEY ALSO
COMMENTED THAT THEY COULD SEE NO REASON WHY CLARK COULD
NOT ABSORB THIS SMALL NUMBER OF FLIGHTS. (C) LORAN
STATIONS -- PINCUS AND PAUL?S QUESTIONS ON THIS SUBJECT,
AND THEIR QUESTIONS ON THE RELATIVE DIFFICULTY OF TRAINING
FILIPINOS TO OPERATE ACW AND LORAN STATIONS, INDICATED
THAT THEY THOUGHT PHILIPPINES SHOULD BE OPERATING THESE
LORAN SITES.
3. WHAT WILL BE NECESSARY POST-VIETNAM? EVERYWHERE THEY WENT,
PINCUS AND PAUL ASKED ABOUT T-D.AY PLANNING. THE ANSWERS
THEY RECEIVED WERE THAT LOCAL COMMANDERS HAVE NOT RECEIVED
DEFINITIVE WORD FROM HIGHER LEVEL ON WHAT WILL BE REQUIRED.
IN PHILIPPINES POST-VIETNAM. WITHOUT SUCH WORD, IT IS
OBVIOUSLY DIFFICULT TO DO ANY PLANNING. NEVERTHELESS
FROM THEIR COMMENTS, IT SEEMS CLEAR THAT PINCUS AND PAUL
WILL REMAIN' CRITICAL OF US FOR NOT HAVING CLEARER IDEAS
ON THIS SUBJECT THAN IN FACT. WE HAVE.'
4. INVOLVEMENT IN FUTURE HOSTILITIES: IN THEIR INITIAL CALL
AT EMBASSY, PI NCUS. AND .PAUL . W (ER E5 TOLD
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5. PINCUS AND PAUL SHOWED GREAT INTEREST IN HUK SITUATION.
THEIR CONCERN SEEMED TO BE THAT WE MIGHT GET GRADUALLY
MORE AND MORE INVOLVED WITH PHILIPPINE FORCES IN EFFORTS
TO COUNTER HUK THREAT WITH POSSIBILITY THAT IN FUTURE WE
MAY BE ENGAGED IN A VIETNAM KIND OF SITUATION. FOR EXAMPLE,
THEY FOUND IN THE MOB MINUTES STATEMENT BY GENERAL RAVAL
THANKING THE AMERICAN CO-CHAIRMEN FOR THE HELICOPTER
ASSISTANCE AND THE INVALUABLE AIR TO GROUND COMMUNICATIONS
WHICH CLARK SUPPLIED TO THE PC DURING THE BATTLE OF ORANI
IN JANUARY 1969. UNFORTUNATELY9 PINCUS AND PAUL GOT
SEVERAL DIFFERENT EVALUATIONS OF THE NATURE AND EXTENT OF
HUK THREAT AND WE SHALL UNDOUBTEDLY BE ASKED FOR A FURTHER
COORDINATED EVALUATION.
6. PINCUS AND PAUL ALSO SEEMED TO SHOW INTEREST IN
POSSIBILITY THAT A MARINE COMBAT GROUP MIGHT BE PERMANENTLY
STATIONED AT SUBIC IN THE POST-VIETNAM PERIOD.
7. SANGLEY. PINCUS. AND PAUL ASKED REPEATEDLY ABOUT PROBLEMS
INVOLVED IN POSSIBILITY OF MOVING THE ASW SQUADRONS FROM
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WERE BASED ON AN ASSUMPTION THAT PRESENT LEVELS OF ACTIVITY
WOULD BE MAINTAINED. THEY DID NOT APPEAR SATISFIED WITH
ANSWERS OITNSVVELS PROBLEMS
OF E ACTIVITY.
I N MAKING SUCH A MOVE AT PRE TONKIN GULF LEVELS
M-16 FACTORY IN KOREA. PINCUS AND PAUL EXPRESSED SURPRISE
(BUT DID NOT COMMENT) ON STATEMENT IN MINUTES OF a?U Z 6
MEETING, OF MDB INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE TO EFFECT' HA `? 1 15
FACTORY IN KOREA REPRESENTS tb CHANGE IN US POLICY A4D US
WOULD;. BE CUSTOMER FOR FACTORYS PRDDUCTION0 WE NOTE IN
COMUS KOREA 101517Z JULY 69 THAT PINCUS AND PAUL WERE TOLD
THERE. THAT FACTORY IS INTENDED TO FILL GAP THAT MAP CAN?T
FILL AND THAT. IT WILL ??TRANSFER SMALL ARMS RESPONSIBILITY
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1 . I N PREPARATION FOR PINCUS/PAUL VISIT WE-HAVE ATTEMPTED
TO LOCATE AGREEMENT WITH GOP FIXING STATUS AND TENURE
SAN MIGUEL. UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE RECORD OF EFFORT TO
NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT B,UT NO RECORD OF AGREEMENT ITSELF.
IF POSSIBLE WOULD APPRECIATE CLARIFICATION BY OPENING
BUSINESS AUGUST 1.
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