ERVIN BILL - S. 782

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• Document Creation Date: December 19, 2016
• Document Release Date: July 14, 2005
• Sequence Number: 91
• Publication Date: March 10, 1969
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10 March 1969
MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
SUBJECT Ervin Bill .. S. 782
1. Mr. Saury and I met with John W. Dean. Associate
Deputy Attorney General for Legislation; J. Walter Ysagley,
Assistant Attorney General, Internal Security Division; and
Nevin T. Maroney, Chief, Appeals and Research Section,
Internal Security Division, to discuss S. 702.
2. We told the Justice officials of our talks with Senator
Ervin, our offer?to testify in executive session, and his rebuff
Proposing an open hearing. We also gave what information we
had as to the attitude of different members of the Congress.
and briefed them on our contacts in the Executive Branch, particu?
larly with Xen BeLieu. They agreed that the bill was basically
a bad one. and from our point of view the worst part was the
access by employees or applicants to the Federal courts.
Mr. Dean' mentioned a rnerrxsorandu. n he had seen from the
Federal Bureau of Investigation to the Deputy Attorney General
strongly criticizing the bill's predecessor, $. 1035, but mentioned
that Mr. Wozencraft's subsequent testimony was somewhat
watered down.
3. Mr. Dean said he would mention our briefing to
Mr. Betieu when he sees hirn this evening.
s/
LAWRENCE R. HOUSTON
General Counsel
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4. Met with Mr. Bun Bray, Manpower
Subcommittee of House Post Office and Civil Service Committee staff, and
discussed the Ervin bill with him at some length. Mr. Bray advised that
Chairman Henderson appears stronger than ever in his resolve that appro-
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9. Talked with Ed Braswell, Staff Director,
Senate Armed Services Committee, about Senator Ervin's responses to the
Director's letter requesting an opportunity to appear before Ervin's
Subcommittee in executive session to present the Agency's views on S. 782.
Braswell repeated his feeling that the Director should now meet privately
with Senator Ervin again, expressing in specific terms the Agency's
objections to the bill and offering suggested language which would meet the
Agency's needs. Braswell urged that we be absolutely certain that there
is no way possible for the Agency to live with this bill with anything short
of a full exemption. In this connection Braswell mentioned again that
senators will not accept the fact that this is a serious Agency problem
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12. 1 1 Talked with William Woodruff, Senate Appropriations
Committee staff, about Senator Ervin's response to the Director's letter to
Senator Ervin on S. 782. Woodruff offered little encouragement, but said he
thought it essential that the Director see Senator Ervin again this year in an
attempt to reconcile our problems over the bill. If this fails ( as he expects
it will), he feels that the Director should then meet privately with Senator
Russell and spell out to him the Agency's problems with this bill. Woodruff
said that senators are most reluctant to interfere with the business of another
senator in his committee capacity, but he recognized that our Subcommittee
members should be forced to focus on Agency problems since they have
asserted legislative oversight jurisdiction over CIA.
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13. Accompanied Mr. Houston in meeting
with Assistant Attorney General Walter J. Yeagley, Associate Deputy
Attorney General for Legislation John W. Dean, and Mr. Kevin Maroney
of Justice Department regarding the Ervin bill. S. 782., See Mr. Houston's
Memo for the Record for details.
JOHN M. MAURY
Legislative Counsel
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