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• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP73B00296R000200060014-9
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• Document Page Count: 12
• Document Creation Date: December 12, 2016
• Document Release Date: March 14, 2001
• Sequence Number: 14
• Publication Date: May 2, 1971
• Content Type: CABLE

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Hqs' guidance f
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1. MR. N00SE SPENT APPROXIMATELY 30 MINUTES IN T1-
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IF WE HAD ANY INFORMATION O N HIM AND WHAT HAPPENED T O HIM .
COB RESRONDED THAT Pi; ISOI''ER PROBABLY WAS TRANSFERRED TO P}{A
KHAO WHERE HE WOLLD BE INTERROGATED. MR. MOOSE ASKED ~FJHO WOULD
INTER ROGATE THE FR ISONER. COB RESPONDED
THAT AT PHA KHAO HE WAS THE RESPON SIB IL IT Y OF GEN VAN G PAO
AND WOLLD BE INTERROGATED BY MEO AND LAO INTERROGATORS AND
THE AMERICANS AT THE SITE WERE ONLY THERE IN AN ADVISORY
CAPACITY. MR. MOOSE APPEARED SATISFIED WITH THE EXP1.ANAT ION.
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B. Di.I ING.BR IEFIN G ON SUBJECT FILE S., PARTICULARLY
AAA SITES, MR. MOOSE ASKED IF FL PLAYED A PANT IN OUR CONFIRMA-
TION AND HE RECEIVED AN AFFIRMATIVE R E P1. Y.
C. AFTER BEING ~5*IEFED ON MECHANICS OF
MR. MOOSE SAID THAT HE WAS INTERESTED IN THE ENEMY STRENGTHS
IN THE LAM SON 7 19 O PER AT I O', AREA, BEFORE AND DURING THE
OPERATION, AND TO WHAT EXTENT STRENGTH CHANGES WERE NOTED.
THE DEPUTY CHIEF OF OFD ANSWEREDIS QUESTION WITH THE FOLLOWING:
THE 304TH AND 2ND NVA DIVISIONS WERR OPEtiATING IN THIS AREA
R?IOR TO LAMSON 719. AFTER THE OPERATION BEGAN, 9 BATTALIONS
FROG? TI{E 3 8TH DIV ISION, T FRS E PATTAL IONS FROM THE 320'.1 H
DIVISION, SIX BATTALIONS OF TILE 324B DIVISION AND TREE
UNT IDENT IFIED ARMOR BATTAL IONS ENTERED LAOS. THIS INaa; ASED
REPRESENTED A TOTAL OF 9,200 MEN, OF WHICH 2,400 WERE SUPPORT
PERSONNEL ATTACHED TO THE REGIMENTS OF T iiF.SE DIVISIONS, 750
WERE MEMBERS OF THE THREE ARMOR BATTALIONS AND THE REMAINDER
WERE INFANTRY. THESE FIGURES PERTAIN ONLY TO THESE UNITS AFTER
CASULATIES HAD BEEN SUFFERED AND THAT THIS FIGURE IS PROBABLY
CONSERVAT IVE. THIS INFO WAS DERIVED FROM RALLIEI S AND P' ISOMERS
IN'THE OPERAT ION. WE ALSO NOTED THAT THE ENEMY TROOP STRENGTH
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WAS NOT REDUCED; AFTER LAMSON 719 ENDED.
D. MR. MOOSE ASKED WHAT OT HER SOU1CES WERE '.M;F'.0YED
TO DETERMINE THE ENEMY STRENGTH IN THIS AREA FR IOR TO LAMSON 719.
WE ANSWERED THAT WE HAVE HAD ONLY A FEW ASSETS IN THE AREA
AND HAVE DEPENDED PRIMARILY ON MACV, T}-EOUGH OUR LIAISON
CHANNELS, AND THAT THIS AREA WAS FEIMARILY A MACV AREA OF
INTEREST, WHEREAS W'1E CONCENTRATED ON INTEL COLLECTION FURTHER
TO THE WEST. MR. MOOSE TOOK NOTES OILY DIEING THIS PHASE OF
THE BRIEFING AND COPIED DOWN THE ENEMY STRENGTHS WE GAVE HIM.
2. IN SUMMATION, MR. MOOSE SEEMED MAINLY INTERESTED IN THE POW
CAPT LkiED AT SITE 32 AND ENEMY STRENGTHS IN THE LAM SON AREA.
HE ASKED NO QUESTIONS OTHER THAN THOSE NOTED ABOVE, CAMBODIA
WAS NOT MENT IDNED PY MR. MOOSE. GP- 1
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LOWENSTIEN, MOOSE,
Pi ESENTED FOLLOk,IING BRIEFING AGENDA TO LOWENSTIEN AND MOOSE WHICH
THEY READILY ACCEPTED:
NORTH LAOS OPERATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS.
SOUTI-I LAOS OPERATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS.
CHICOM ROAD ACTIVITY.
PRISONERS OF WAR, NVA, PL, AND AMERICAN
BREAK FOR LUNCH WITH CONSUL TOM BARNES
TOUR OD WORKSHOP
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FORCE LEVELS, PROJECT FORCE LEVELS
SINCE FY 67, AND ENEMY FORCE LEVELS. DURING THIS PORTION
OF THE BRIEFING, LOWENSTIEN AND MOOSE WERE PROVIDED WW,ITH STATISTICS
AS DIRECTED IN REF B.
3. BOT;-i OFFICERS APPEARED RELAXED AND DOCILE AND THERE WAS NO
INDICATION OF AGGRESSIVENESS AS INDICATED IN OTHER
BRIEFINGS WERE CONDUCTED ON AN -INFORMAL BASIS WITH
ON BASE. ORGANIZATION AND RELATIONSHIP OF BASE BOTH
BETWEEN THE BRIEFERS, L&M,
THERE I'LIE;RE NO QUESTIONS ON THE PART OF
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SHOWN A CHART ON PROJECT FORCE LEVELS SINCE FY 67 WHICH PORTRAYED
THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION:
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1. WE ARE REPEATING REFTEL TO.-YOU SO THAT YOU CAN DISCUSS
IT WITH AMBASSADOR UNGER IF HE SHOULD ASK WHAT GUIDANCE HAS
BEEN GIVEN ON HANDLING LOWENSTEIN AND MOOSE. STATE AND
DEFENSE ARE HAVING PROBLEMS AGREEING ON A GUIDANCE CABLE TO
BE SENT TO BOTH AMBASSADORS. BOTH DEPARTMENTS WISH TO
RESTRICT THE AMBASSADORS' STATEMENTS ON AFFAIRS CONCERNING
OUR ACTIVITIES,
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TO THEM TI-HAT WE WISH TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION OF CA.NDOP, BUT NOT
MUCH IN THE WAY OF FACTS ?, TO THE STAFFDEL.
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TERMS SUCH AS STAFF MEMBERS, CONSULTANTS, ETC. ARE USED
LO`CISELY AND DO NOT AFFECT LEVEL OF INFORMATION 110 WHICH
THEY HAVE BEEN PRIVY. IN EFFECT THEY ARE REPLACEMENTS FOR
PINCUS AND PAUL ON THE SYMINGTON SUBCOMMITTEE. WE UNDER-
STAND BOTH HAVE HAD ACCESS TO TESTIMONY PARA TWO
REF AND PRESUME THEY HAVE REVIEWED PINCUS AND PAUL'S
FAMOUS 3 BY 5 CARD FILE. WE WOULD 17 LIKE TO GIVE IMPRESSION
OF FORTHRIGHTNESS IN FIELD'S REPLIES TO MOOSE/LOWENSTEIN
REQUESTS AND AVOID, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, REFERRAL TO
WASHINGTON ON QUESTIONS POSED. WE ARE PERFECTLY WILLING
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MOOSE AND LOWENSTEIN DO. NOT UNDERSTAND DOD INVOLVEMENT
WITH FUNDING, LOGISTICS, AIR SUPPORT, ETC. WE WOULD LIKE TO
KEEP THEM OUT OF THIS. WE ASSESS THAT THEY ARE NOT AS
IvtffTHODICAL AS PINCUS AND PAUL AND WILL BE MORE EASILY
HANDLED. NEVERTHELESS YOU SHOULD NOT GIVE THEM AN INTIMATE
PICTURE OF OUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH DOD, SUCH AS THE CURRENT
NEGOTIATIONS IN THE CLAY COMMITTEE AND THE COMING DEBATE
OVER THE ROLE OF THE AMBASSADOR. STAY AWAY FROM DETAILS,
DO NOT VOLUNTEER, AND ADOPT THE DOCTRINE OF RESTRAINED
CANDOR.
2. YOUR PLANS FOR THE UDORN VISIT APPEAR FINE. WE
HAVE HEARD NOTHING FROM LOWENSTEIN DIRECTLY, AND HE MAY
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RELATED SUBJECTS WHICH WE DO NOT WISH DISCUSSED.
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3. REF PARA FIVE TREATMENT OF IS OKAY.
BUDGETARY MATTERS AND PERSONNEL STRENGTHS OFTEN LEAD TO
CONTINGENCY DISCUSSIONS. PLEASE REFER SUCH QUESTIONS TO HQS..
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