JOURNAL OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL

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• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP74B00415R000100050007-5
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• Document Creation Date: December 20, 2016
• Document Release Date: November 7, 2006
• Sequence Number: 7
• Publication Date: October 12, 1972
• Content Type: NOTES

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OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL
Thursday - 12 October 1911.
1. (Confidential GLC) Received a call from John Goldsmith,
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2. (Secret - GLC) Met with Ed Braswell, Chief Counsel, SPA
Armed Servic.es ommittee, and brought him up-to-date on a number of
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of CIARDS.legislation in the next Congress including a discussion of the
quota problem and the feasibility of legislation authorizing the Director
to revoke retirement annuities under certain circumstances.
3. (Confidential - GLC) Picked up from Jack Norpel, Senate Internal
Security Subcommittee staff, some material for OS. 25X1A
4. (Confidential - GLC) J. Sourwine, Chief Counsel, Senate Internal
Security Subcommittee, called with reference to an FBIS item on page A27
of the Daily Report for 10 October 1972 on a Chou En-Lai meeting with Owen
Lattimore at which eight other Chinese were present. Sourwine is interested
in any information we might have on the other Chinese present in reaching
some sort of an appraisal of the nature of the session. I told him we would
look into this and be back in touch with him.
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SUBJECT: Conversation with Ed Braswell, Chief Counsel,
Senate Armed Services Committee
1. I met with Ed Braswell today and brought him up-to-date on
current intelligence briefing items since 26 September.
2. Subsequently, at lunch, Mr. Braswell and I discussed the
following items:
a. CIARDS ceiling. Braswell mentioned that the Com-
mittee staff would have a lot of work ahead of it next year
including a complete review of the military retirement system.
I took advantage of this opportunity to mention that we plan to
submit some retirement legislation next year. I mentioned
specifically our need for an increase in our retirement ceiling
in view of the unanticipated increase in retirements in recent
months. I told him we now expect the number of retirement
cases through 30 June 1974 to be something like rather STATSPEC
than thewe had originally anticipated. Braswell seemed
to appreciate the need for increasing this ceiling and said this
was, of course, a natural result of the increased number of
retirements associated with the reductions in personnel in
Government. (I did not get into the issue of removal of the
quota entirely as opposed to an increase to a specified ceiling. )
b. Withdrawal of CIARDS annuity in security cases. I told
Braswell that, largely as an outgrowth of the Marchetti case, we
were giving some consideration to the desirability of legislation
which would permit the Director to terminate the CIARDS annuity
of any employee who divulged information contrary to his employ-
ment commitments to the Agency. Braswell said he appreciated
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the point here, but immediately zeroed in on the vulnerability
of such a provision as a denial of an employee's rights without
due process of law. I told him that we were not unmindful of
this point but felt we should explore the possibilities in cases
of this sort. I added that we were very proud of our security
procedures in the Agency but felt we had been very fortunate in
not having had a Martin or Mitchell type case in the 25 years
of our existence. I said sooner or later we were bound to have
such a case and we wanted to try to have some foresight based
on their past experiences. Braswell agreed that we should at
least explore various alternatives for meeting such a situation.
c. Congressional elections. Braswell said my guess was
as good as his on the question of whether the Republicans would
gain a majority of the Senate seats next year, but said this would
probably depend on the way the elections went in the South. We
talked about Senator Margaret Chase Smith's situation and he said
that while she had a very worthy opponent he felt that her name
and the State of Maine were practically synonymous and he couldn't
see how she could lose, especially in view of the strong Republican
Presidential vote that is expected. When I asked him the effect on
his situation if Senator Smith became Chairman of the Committee,
he said he wasn't really sure although certainly Senator Smith
should have the right to name whomever she wished as her staff
director. He added he wasn't really worried about this since he
was sure that he would retain a decent position. He also commented
that he had 28 years of service and couldn't keep this pace up for-
ever, so the prospect of retirement did not really scare him.
Braswell said that since they had no designated subcommittees in
the Armed Services Committee they didn't have the problem which
some committees have experienced of having a minority staff
member for every subcommittee. He said Larry Garcia was
Senator Smith's appointee to the staff and Ed Kenney was, of
course, Senator Thurmond's man. He added that since both of
these staffers are charged to the minority side, they are of no
real assistance to him.
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3. Mr. Braswell commented that he thought we (speaking collec-
tively) had done well in avoiding any legislation detrimental to the Agency
in this Congress. I said we had to credit him with avoiding any Committee
action on the Cooper bill (S. 2224) which would have required the submission
of intelligence information to the Congress through the Armed Services and
Foreign Relations Committees. We speculated as to who might be expected
to take up the crusade for this legislation following Senator Cooper's retire-
ment. He said he was sure someone would take it up, but he had the impression
from a comment Carl Marcy, Senate Foreign Relations Committee staff, had
made to him that this was essentially Senator Cooper's bill and did not have 25X1
a great deal of force behind it in the Committee.
5. Our conversation drifted to a postmortem of Robert McNamara's
tenure as Secretary of Defense and Braswell agreed that McNamara's one
big problem was his inability to get along with the Congress. He recounted
a story of McNamara's testimony at a posture briefing of the House Armed
Services Committee when Mendel Rivers was chairman and said that Rivers
actually ordered McNamara from the hearing room with the comment that
the Committee did not want to hear anything further from him. He said
McNamara's resignation followed shortly thereafter.
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