JOURNAL - OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL

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• Publication Date: April 12, 1972
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10. Met with Frank Slatinshek, Acting Chief
Counsel, How e Armed Services Committee, and informed him of this
morning's conversation between the Director and Chairman Nedzi in which
Nedzi had told the Director that he need not appear personally before the
Subcommittee on the problem of classification and security. I told Slatinshek
that in view of this probably Mr. Houston and I would appear.
11. Talked to Mrs. Ward, in the office of
Senator John Stennis, regarding some photographs which the Agency had
processed and mounted for the Senator, which I said we would be glad to
bring up and explain to the Senator at his convenience. Mrs. Ward said she
had mentioned this to the Senator but he said he had been so busy that it would
be best if we simply brought the photographs up and left them.
12. Talked to Representative Charles Gubser
regarding his recent letter to the Director asking for information about a
matter which had been raised by one of his constituents. After identifying the
matter in question, I learned it had been referred to DDS&T who will provide
a response.
I discussed with Mr. Gubser the general problems of the Agency's
relations with the House. He seemed to think we have little to worry about,
but cautioned that there were a number of younger members who should not
be given access to sensitive material.
13. In the absence of Ed Braswell, left with
Jack Ticer, General Counsel, Senate Armed Services Committee, a copy of
my memo covering some of the highlights of the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee hearings on the Cooper bill (S. 2224), where Pete Scoville and
Chet Cooper testified.
14. I ran into Representative Samuel Stratton2and
confirmed his scheduled talk to our Senior Seminar on 19 April.
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Friday - 7 April 1972
1. Met with Pat Holt, Senate ForeignRelations.
Committee staff, regarding the Frank McDonald case. Holt said McDonald
was badly shaken as a result of confinement and interrogation by the Cubans
who insisted he was working for CIA.
I mentioned to Holt that about a year and a half ago Chairman
Fulbright had spoken to the Director of something that Holt had said to the
Chairman about ITT political activities in Chile. I asked Holt if he could
recall just what this was about. Holt said he had not been in Chile during
that time but had only mentioned to the Chairman that during his travel to
other Latin American countries at that time, he had heard rumors that ITT
was up to something in Chile.
2. I Briefed Bill Woodruff, Senate Appropriations
Committee staff, on recent developments regarding Soviet SLBM program.
Woodruff said that DIA had already briefed him on this "with the pictures, " C1
it was an excellent briefing.
3. Met with Senator Symington (D. , Mo.) as a
followup to his complaints to the Director during the Armed Services
Subcommittee session on 5 April about duplication of intelligence activities
in the Middle East. It turned out Symington had confused some MAG and
communications activities with intelligence operations, and after a
40-minute talk he seemed fairly satisfied. During our conversation he
complained that too many burdens were being imposed on the Agency, such
as economic reporting, paramilitary operations, covering the narcotics
traffic, etc.
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4. Talked to John Lehman, of the
NSC staff, about our response to Senator Ervin's (D. , N. C.) request
for a report on our executive agreements with foreign countries.
Lehman suggested I talk to Charles Bevans, of State.
5. I called Charles Bevans, Assistant
Legal Advisor for Treaty Affairs of the State Department, and we agreed
on a text for our response to Senator Ervin saying that any such agreements in
which the Agency has participated were being reported by the State
Department.
6. Received a call from Maurine Dantzic,
Senate Armed Services Committee staff, regarding General Walters'
nomination. She told me that the Senate did not call the executive
calendar on Friday.
7. Ed Braswell, Chief Counsel, Senate
Armed Services Committee, called to ask that we provide him with the
information for use in a possible speech by Senator Stennis (D. , Miss. )
in oppossition to the Cooper bill (S. 2224) which would require that 25X1A
intelligence material be made freely available to the Congress.
At the same time Braswell brought up his familiar concern about
the continued E o
the irregulars in aos. told Braswell that is was some ing att we25X1A
were doing because we were ordered to do it by higher authority. He
said we shouldn't be surprised if an amendment were -proposed, and
passed, forbidding
8.
Atomic Energy staff,
called to say that William Miller, on the staff of 25X1
Senator John Cooper R. , Ky.), had contacted him about the possibility
of giving
Mr. Murphy is reluctant to
get involved with
without the approval of Chairman Pastore,
but wanted to confirm the. employment dates of I
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and to
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verify that he left the Agency in good standing. Mr. Murphy and I
discussed the pros and cons of drawing parallels between the JCAE and
other committees of the Congress and Mr. Murphy said he planned to do
nothing on this unless he was pressed further by Mr. Miller and got the
approval of his Chairman.
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9. Met with Mr. Robert Willian, Senate Finance
Committee staff,, and discussed with him the action the Committee would take
on H. R. 9900. Mr. Willian said they planned to report the bill out without
any changes and gave no encouragement on the possibility of amending it to
accommodate the Agency's needs. See Memorandum for the Record.
10. David Martin, Senate Internal Security
Subcommittee staff, called to advise that the Subcommittee would be going
to press very shortly with the publication of the Nkrumah documents using
a letter which they had obtained from the Department of State to support
their authenticity. He said this publication would start a new series to be
entitled "Communist Global Subversion and American Security. " This
specific document would be entitled "Attempted Communist Subversion of
Africa Through Nkrumah's Ghana. " Martin added that as soon as he finished
writing an introductory commentary he would get a jacket number from GPO
which he would pass on to us in the event our people wanted to "ride the
jacket. "
11. In response to his request yesterday, I told
James Gehrig, Staff Director, Senate Space Committee, that Col. McConnel
has a TK clearance and Capt. Donald Jarrell has a Byeman clearance and
that we were unable to find any record through DOD of compartmented
clearances for Major Harold Caylor. Mr. Gehrig expressed surprise that
we could not confirm a clearance for Caylor since he had been told by
John Foster's people that these three men would be briefing him at the
TK level. I suggested to Gehrig that he trace this back through his contact
in Foster's office if he wanted to pursue it further.
12. Delivered the Director's reply to an
inquiry made by Senator Sam J. Ervin, Jr. (D. , N. C. ), Chairman of the
Subcommittee on Separation of Powers of Senate Judiciary Committee.
13. Talked to Mr. Gordon Murchie, USIA,
who told me that he had not yet forwarded the question pertaining to Agency
control of RFE and RL set forth in the long listing received from Senate
Foreign Relations Committee I told Mr. Murchie I would call him as soon
as we had a chance to review the questions once we have them in hand. See
Journal of 4 April 1972.
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14. Talked to Mrs. Kathy O'Neill, in
the office of Representative Richard chord (D. , Mo. ), who told me that
Representative Ichord plans to be back in the city on Monday and that it
would be best totalk to him on his return concerning his request to the
Archivist of the United States for certain Warren Commission documents.
Messrs. Houston, OGC, and II CI Staff, have been advised.
15. Received a call from Mr. J. Sourwine,
Chief Counsel, Senate Internal Security Subcommittee, who asked if we had
an English translation of an interview with Ernest Mandel that was reported in
Der Spiegel. The item was supposedly reported on page 41 of a recent date.
After checking with German Desk, I told Mr. Sourwine that
we do not have a translation available. I identified the issue as 6 March.
Mr. Sourwine thanked me for the assistance and said that he would go to the
Library of Congress for the translation.
16. Received a call from Mr. Carl Marcy,
Chief of Staff, Senate Foreign Relations Committee, who said that he had been
queried by Steve Terry, Senator Aiken's (R. , Vt. ) Legislative Assistant,
concerning the number of Catholics in North Vietnam and the number of
Catholic churches. After checking with DDI, I advised 25X1
that the 1971 figures indicated 1. 2 million Catholics and 620 parishes. The
number of churches does not relate to the number of parishes since some
have both churches and chapels while others have neither and no current
figure is available on churches.
17. Talked to Mr. Ralph Preston, House
Appropriations Committee staff, who told me that he will be unable to
visit Headquarters before next Friday. Additional hearings relating to
the war will be started some time during the week. We scheduled next
Friday, 14 April, at 9:00 a. m. for Mr. Preston to visit Headquarters for
briefing on the Agency budget and lunch. Mr. Briggs, OPPB, has been
advised.
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9. Assistant Secretary of State for Congres-
sional Relations David M. Abshire called in connection with Senator Henry
Bellmon's (R. , Okla.) interest in having his senator group have a breakfast
session with the Director. Abshire raised the question of our providing
transportation for any senators who needed it from the Hill and I told him
this was no problem. He also said that the question of the security of this
group had come up and Bellmon said they had received some rather sensitive
briefings in the past and had had no leaks. Abshire said State would be
meeting with the group on the 13th of this month and if we were agreeable
to having a session with them he could suggest at the 13 April meeting the
possibility of their coming to the Agency 20 April or 27 April. I told him
I would ask Mr. Maury to call him on this.
10. By way of followup I advised John Goldsmith,
Senate Armed Services Committee staff, that Mr. McCone definitely does not
plan to appear before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on the subject
of the Cooper bill to provide for the dissemination of intelligence information
to the Congress.
11. In view of Representative Robert Steele's
(R. , Conn.) availability to address the Intelligence Production Course at
2 p.m. on Monday, 10 April, I arranged with Jim Woolsey, Senate Armed
Services Committee staff, to change his talk to this group to 3:15 p.m.
12. Talked to Mr. Frank Slatinshek, Acting
Chief Counsel, House Armed Services Committee, concerning the release of
documents furnished to the President's commission (the Warren Commission)
by the Central Intelligence Agency. I told him that in response to
Representative Richard H. Ichord's (D. Mo.) request, as Chairman of the
House Internal Security Committee, for certain documents, we plan to
meet with him and review the documents with him., They will not be 25X1A
relinquished, however. In Mr. Slatinshek's opinion, this appears to him
to be a workable solution. Messrs. Houston, OGC, CI
Staff, have been advised.
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5. Talked to Susan, in Carl Marcy's
office of Senate Foreign Relations Committee, who told me that
Representative Paul Findley (R. , Ill.) and Mr. Yarmolinsky testified
on 30 March on S. 2224, the Cooper bill. Further hearings will be
scheduled on the bill but she would have to check with Mr. Kuhl, of the
Committee staff, when he returns to the office later in the day for a
listing of the witnesses who will be scheduled. I thanked Susan for the
information and told her that I would be in touch directly with Mr. Kuhl
later on.
6. accompanied Messrs.
OPPB, and EUR Division, to a meeting with
Mr. William Woodruff, Senate Appropriations Committee staff, concerning
the 29 March withdrawal from reserve. Mr. Woodruff is scheduled to
meet with Chairman Ellender later in the afternoon and needed a rebriefing
of the information previously provided to verify the notes he had prepared
for Chairman Ellender. Mr. Woodruff was most appreciative. Mr. Cord
Meyer, ADDP, has been advised.
As we. were departing, Mr. Woodruff told me that the schedule for
Monday and Tuesday briefings by the Director is now uncertain and may
need to be put over until after the House hearings.
7. I talked to Mr. David Martin, Senate
Internal Security Subcommittee staff, and told him that we would forward
an additional copy of the two Nkrumah documents Thursday morning.
Mr. Martin was most appreciative. See Journal of 4 April.
8. Called Fred Fielding, in the White
House, regarding Senator Ervin's (D. , N. Car.) request to several
executive agencies, including CIA, for information on "executive agreements.
Fielding said John Lehman, of the White House staff, had mentioned his
conversation with me on this subject and that the present White House thinking
was that the State Department might reply in behalf of all the executive
agencies. I said this sounded fine to us and told Fielding that Larry Houston
was going into the legal aspects of the problem and would be in touch with
him tomorrow.
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9. Delivered a suggested reply to Dale
Southerland, on the staff of Senator Abraham Ribicoff (D. , Conn. ), in
response to questions a constituent, had asked concerning STATOTHR
the Agency's providing funds to students in return for information.
Mrs. Southerland said the reply would be adequate.
10. Libby Reynolds, in the office of
Representative Jack Kemp (R. , N. Y. ), called and said that the 18th had
been selected as the tentative date for the breakfast-briefing of Kemp and
his colleagues, and that she will give us a progress report early next week
when the members return from the Easter recess.
11. Received a call from Mr. Gordon
Murchie, USIA, who told me that the Director of USIA has received a listing
of some 90 questions from Chairman Fulbright, Senate Foreign Relations
Committee, as a followup to their appearance before the Committee. The
two questions that require Agency assistance in answering ask, in effect,
the date when USIA was told of CIA sponsorship of the Radios. I told Murchie
that in effect USIA would have been on constructive notice from the beginning
since this was a responsibility that was determined at the policy level of
Government. Mr. Murchie will forward a copy of the appropriate questions.
I told him we will advise after we have reviewed the questions.
12. Received a call from Mr. David Martin,
Senate Internal Security Subcommittee staff, who told me that the Committee
has received a very helpful letter from the State Department that will be used
as an introduction in the publication of the Nkrumah articles. He asked if
we could provide a second copy of the articles which is necessary for publication.
If the additional copies are not available, they will have to xerox. I told him I25X1A
would relay the question and be back in touch in the morning. See Journal of
26 January 1972.
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5. Called John Lehman, of Dr. Kis singer' s
staff, to see what the White House attitude was on the Ervin inquiry. Lehman
said that Fred Fielding and John Deane, of the White House staff, were handling
this and he would have Fielding call me. Lehman recalled that the question
of executive agreements had come up previously in connection with the Cooper
bill which the community representatives, in the LIG meeting, had strongly
opposed. He said he understood that the State Department was preparing a
reply to Senator Ervin in behalf of all executive agencies, and asked whether
I agreed on this solution. I said not unless I knew what State was going to say.
Lehman said he would send us a draft and we could rewrite it as we saw fit. He
said if therewere any differences after that with the agencies, we should meet
with John Deane. He added that the White House was particularly concerned to
protect any intelligence agreements from congressional probing. I asked him
if this meant he would invoke executive privilege if this is necessary. He said yes.
Lehman then brought up the question of the Cooper bill on making
intelligence information available to Congress. I suggested he review the
transcript of the hearings with Pete Scoville and Chet Cooper last week. In
response to his question I said I thought the bill would be reported out by
Foreign Relations but possibly held up by Armed Services which also had a
slice of it. I added I thought it might run into opposition in the House. Lehman
asked what they should be doing and I suggested some discreet lobbying,
emphasizing the importance of keeping intelligence material from becoming the
subject of political controversy. He said Kissinger had seen Stennis last week
and hoped to keep in closer touch with Stennis in the future. He said he would
try to get Kissinger to raise this question with Stennis at the first opportunity.
6. Received a call from Mr. Loring Wagner,
Laos Desk, AID, who expressed an interest in meeting with us to go over
testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee concerning relation-
ships between the CIA and AID in Laos. Later in the day, however, he canceled
his request saying that Mr. Levine of his office had gotten the necessary
information from F77 I DDP.
7. Delivered several brochures about the Agency
to, Margie Kreppel, on the staff of Representative Lee Hamilton (D., Ind.),
for her to use in responding to a constituent's inquiry.
8. Spoke with Martin Wolf, Press Secretary
to Senator Mike Gravel (D. , Alaska), who asked that we continue to send the
Senator the FBIS Daily Reports until further notice. Arrangements were made
with FBIS to initiate subscriptions for the area books concerned.
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