CONVERSATION WITH J. SOURWINE, CHIEF COUNSEL, SENATE INTERNAL SECURITY SUBCOMMITTEE

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP74B00415R000200140113-6
• Release Decision: RIPPUB
• Original Classification: K
• Document Page Count: 3
• Document Creation Date: December 16, 2016
• Document Release Date: May 24, 2005
• Sequence Number: 113
• Publication Date: February 3, 1972
• Content Type: MFR

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3 February 1972
SUBJECT: Conversation with J. Sourwine, Chief Counsel,
Senate Internal Security Subcommittee
1. In the absence of Mr. Cary from the office, I took a call
from Jay Sourwine who wanted to know the status of the review of the
transcript involving I explaining that he was being
pushed hard on this. I told him the review was being conducted by
our General Counsel, Mr. Houston, but that as a result of a death
in the family, Mr. Houston had been out of the office for the past
several days and was expected back tomorrow or Monday. It was
agreed we would call Sourwine not later than Monday on at least the
status of the review.
2. During the course of the conversation, Sourwine made the
following points:
a. The polling of the Subcommittee to lift the injunction
of secrecy on the transcript is primarily to permit access to
journalists in connection with the President's upcoming trip
to China and somewhat as a reaction to recent testimony
before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the
recent publication of material on the same subject taken
before that Committee 20 years ago.
b. There is nothing in the transcript that would
embarrass any current or living former employee of CIA.
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2. Mr. Sourwine, of the staff of the Senate Judiciary
Committee, called to state that they would like to have returned
to them the copy of the transcript of the 0 case which they 25X1
loaned to CIA, and the transmittal of which they had authorized
to the Department of State. Mr. Sourwine stated that he felt
there was still outstanding a request from the Senate Internal
Security Subcommittee to CIA for an edited copy of the test which
could be published if necessary. He stated that he did not envisage
any current publication but that the request should be answered in
some form. I have discussed this matter with 25X1
the Deputy Security Officer, who has been designated by the Director
as the man to cooperate with the Department of State in. reviewing
the hearing file in the case in order to assist the State Department
which is considering releasing at least some portion of the over-
all hearing in the case.
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S. At the suggestion of Deputy Security Office, I 25XI
have called John Sipes,, of the Department of State, to tell him that Mr.
ourwine, of the Senate Judiciary Committee staff, is prodding us for the
return of the Committee transcript of -the hearings in the case. 25X1
,lrr. Sipes will arrange to have the material returned to us as quickly as
possible, and I have so informed Sourwine. Mr. Sipes also told me that
the Committee had sent them a letter some time ago asking when the
transcript would be returned, but tit that time the State Department
responded only in general terms as they felt that the Committee was on
a fishing expedition to attempt to ascertain when the decision in the 25X1
case might be expected. '
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request that we indicate the,oie portions ox IZ wIis i cou not be publicly
released. Mr. Sourwine stated that in his opinion, 'while nothin was
stirring on the record at present, it would be better if he had a marked
copy, should the question of publication arise again, and thus be able to
chow the Committee that publication of the record would virtually be
meanin' less. In Mr. Kirkpatrick', opinion we should not accede to this
request because we testified on a Top Secret basis and the record should
so rer ,.air. although we have been under continual pressure to release all
or portions of it.
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