JOURNAL - OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL

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• Document Creation Date: December 20, 2016
• Document Release Date: December 20, 2006
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• Publication Date: November 9, 1971
• Content Type: NOTES

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Journal - Office of Legislative Counsel
Tuesday - 9 November 1971
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Appropriations Committee, who said there was some concern in the Senate
over the recent changes in the intelligence setunp, See Memorandum for
the Record.
13. Received a call from Mr. John Lally,
Assistant Counsel, Special Subcommittee on Armed Services Investigating
of the House Committee on Armed Services, who asked if we could verify
for Chairman Hebert information given to the Committee a few moments
before in hearings that are being conducted today concerning the Cuban
International Society of Sugar Cane Technologists who arrived in New Orleans
on 26 October 1971 and are being held for deportation. See Memorandum
for the Record.
14. Met with Mr. William Phillips, Staff
Director, u committee on Foreign Operations and Government Information
of the House Committee on Government Operations, and reviewed with him
the draft Agency response to the Chairman's request of 26 October 1971
concerning "the degree of public participation in formal meetings and hearings
conducted within the Executive Branch and other agencies. " Mr. Phillips
indicated that the response, in his opinion, would be completely acceptable.
He noted in passing that this was the first response of any kind the Committee
has had to the questionnaire.
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3. Met with Carl Marcy, Chief of Staff, Senate 25X1
Foreign Relations Committee, and told him of our problems with Senator
Case (see Item 1). Marcy said he fully understood our unwillingness to brief
members of Case's personal staff on the matters in question, and confided
that Case and his personal staff no longer have. anything to do with the
Foreign Relations Committee staff. He also told me that a friend of his on
Case's staff had warned him not to trust certain other members of Case's
staff. Marcy thought a bland letter from the Director to Case would be a
good solution.
Regarding the White House announcement concerning the ..intelli ence
community, Marcy said this had caused a good deal of concern in the Committee.
He said that it was generally interpreted as a move to "kick Helms upstairs, "
thus isolating the only reliable and independent voice in the intelligence
community, and placing the major elements of the community under hand-
picked Administration men subordinate to Dr. Kissinger. Marcy said Senator
Symington was particularly concerned about this. I said I thought there was
nothing in the White House announcement, or in my own knowledge or
experience that lent any weight to this theory. I noted there had been concern
for some.. time, particularly in the Congress, over the untidiness of the
intelligence machinery, and a strong desire to bring at least the financial
aspects of the community under tighter coordination and control. I said
this seemed to me the obvious explanation of the White House move, and that
there was certainly no reason to think the Director, who had always had
two hats, was now about to discard his CIA hat.
In closing I reminded Marcy of his request some time ago for copies
of NIEs regarding Southeast Asia. He said he was delinquent in getting back
in touch with me, and wondered if I had any suggestions. I said that since
providing the Estimates was out of the question, it seemed to me the only solution
was to start out by referring to the Director's testimony before the Committee,
which I thought would cover most of the points at issue. I suggested the Com-
mittee first review the transcripts of this testimony, after which we would be
glad to consider any additional questions they might have. Marcy said this
was an interesting idea and he would think it over.
4. Left with Dorothy Fosdick, Staff Director, 25X1
Senate Subcommittee on National Security and International Operations, an
FBIS item in which Senator Jackson was mentioned.
5. Miss Frances Roberts, in the office of
Representative David Henderson (D., N. C.), called to ask if a
was employed by the Agency, and if so, could a message be given
to him. to call them. After checking with Personnel, I advised Miss Roberts
we had no record ofiworking for the Agency. She thanked me and
said she would try State Department and DOD.
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Tuesday - 9 November 1971
L Talked to Mr. Ed Braswell, Chief
Counsel, Senate Armed Services Committee, regarding Senate reactions
to the White House announcement regarding the in el9ig nce community.
See Memo for Record.
Mr. Braswell asked if there was any statutory justification for
keeping the CIA budget classified. I said the National Security Act of
1947 contained provisions which, by implication, required that the budget
be handled on a classified basis and I asked to get on the phone
and read the specific wording to Braswell.
In the same conversation, I told Mr. Braswell of our problem with
Senator Case, who was insisting that members of his personal staff be
included in a discussion on sensitive Agency matters. Braswell felt
strongly that, on the basis of maintaining the need-to-know principle,
this is something we could not agree to.
Later in the day, I met with Messrs. Braswell, Woolsey, Goldsmith
and Ticer and discussed certain matters arising from the White House
announcement regarding the in al iygence cc>m_ tY, (See Memo for the
Record.) I left with them a copy of the announcement.
Referring to our problem with Senator Case (see above), Braswell
reiterated his feeling that we definitely should not brief members of Case's
staff regarding Agency matters, and thought a letter or phone call from the
Director might be a good idea.
I briefed Braswell and the others on recent developments regarding
the Indian/Pakistan situation and Soviet air activity in the Mediterranean.
I accompanied Messrs.
Technical Staff, OS, and conducted a technical sweep of the
Investigations Subcommittee hearing room (2337 RHOB). No further action
is required in this matter.
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