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• Original Classification: K
• Document Page Count: 4
• Document Creation Date: November 17, 2016
• Document Release Date: June 7, 2000
• Sequence Number: 9
• Publication Date: August 1, 1966
• Content Type: TELEGRAM

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WESTERWAY: WAS THE MUTILATION PART -1 OF T ,,E A1MERICAN
POLICY OF WAS THIS JUST SOMETHING THE SOUTH VIETNAMES.E\STEAM
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DOD THEMSELVES TOOK ON? I
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BARTOS: I THINK THIS IS USUALLY THE SOUTH VIETNAMESE . THE'C$iS
AMERICANS WERE ONLY CONCERNED WITH IS THE GUY DEAD AND THAT'S
ALL' THEY CARE ABOUT. WHETHER HE WAS MUTILATED OR. NOT' THEY Kit-NT
COULD NOT CARE LESS HE WAS DEAD, THAT. WAS THE IMPOR.TAwT...
THING.
WESTERWAY: NOW YOU REACTED HOSTILELY TO THIS.' BUT' WHAT C-81 k
ABOUT THE VIETCO.NGS KILLING OF THE LEADERS,::=OF ~ OUTH VIETNAMESE
iBARTOS: WELL THE._F CTS ARE THAT, AS I KNOW, THAT EVERY TI ME
T HEY HAD A CHANG E.09 ADMINISTRATION IN THE SAIGON GOVERNMENT pct,
OF., THE;PROVINCES. IN OHER WORDS,THEuPROVINCE~ Ctt.l`i1i-S
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WHOLE STRUCTURE WAS REPLACED WITH PEOPLE WHO WERE PUT IN. THESE
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T SON AND RAISED THERE AND DID ,NOT HAVE- THE 16-c
AR .AS WAO--WERE 'NO
OF-r!tVARIOUS. D,S.TRICTS AT HEART AND CONSEQUENTLY THEY/
USED THEIR POSITION TO STEAL ND~ENHANCE THEMSELVES AND GET
TO THE
OF COURSE REACTEI'
THEY COULD &D IS
AS MUCH MONEY AS
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DETRIMENT OF THEY PEOPLE IN THESE AR\IOUS DISTRICTS",AND THEY bo
!WOULD.'-'CALL IN THE VIET'CONG~I,N MAN CASES AND HAVE, THE,; .PQ?'P/L
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KILLING THEM?
BARTOS: WELL, THEY. WERE ALSO - THESE PEOPLE WOULD COMMIT
CRIMES. NOW UNDER THE DIEM GOVERNMENT THEY - ANYBODY THAT
WAS SUSPECTED OF BEING A VIETCONG - WAS PICKED UP AND THEY
WOULD BE TORTURED. THEY HAD A ONE MILLION DOLLAR, BUILDING
THOUGH, WOULD IT? EVEN IF THEY WERE CORRUPT WOULD IT JUSTIFY
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WESTERWA?Y. THIS WULD HARDLY JUSTIFY ASSASSINATING THEM
AND THIS ISALL VP DIEM AND SOME OF THESE DEVICES WERE REVEALED
WHY
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`SOPHISTICATED TYPE OF TORTURES AND THIS WAS VERYCWELLDDOCUMENTED
AFTER THE F
PUT UP ON THE 'OUTSKIRTS OF SAIGON WHERE THEY
THAT BECAUSE OF THE -76q-r 'E AND MURDER AND
REPRESSION. THAT POSSIBLY THE VIETCONG REACTED. I NEVER KNEW
A VIETCONG OR ANYONE THAT WOULD REVEAL HIMSELF AS A VIETCONG
TO ME SO I CAN'T SPEAK FROM THAT BUT I HAVE SEEN DOCUMENTED
EVIDENCE AND I'VE SEEN AMERICAN TROOPS IN THE'FI
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LIFE MAGAZINE WHICH TS HMRfli Y A t 0TCKMn~A Tut
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,WHILE VIETCONG PRISONERS WERE TORTURED TUTS t
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TO THAT AND ALSO I FEEL THAT T}CIS IS A CIVIL WAR. MANY OF iTHE`,
SAIGON MT1 TTeRY P7ri Ol C r Lire LI C'n r~ r-T/??TI-
+H~1H~iv~v. ,wn.(v YK~;IVENT JOHNSON SAYS ONE
MILLION PEOPLE VOTED WITH THEIR FEE7AND? MOVED FROM NORTH -r6
y
WITH THE FRENCH IN1ME 11 YEARS FRENCH-INDOCHINA WAR
a mn T L417 V PA ?AM T r ?r T.ln -t, v ...-..< - . _ _. .
&.U T/{ THEY HAD T D:' MOVE BECAUSE OF THE THINGS THAT T HEY{
HAD, DID,_ .THE VIETNAMESE PEOPLE HAD TO LEAVE OR BE KILLED
AN AREA TO PICK UP PASSENSFHS - TWPJZ
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PRISONER THAT WAS BOUND."HAND /SNP '
--to CAMP TJ,RE WHERE
.TfEY WERE GOING TO INTEf OGATE THIS MAN. Anfn:.W ? t.,,,C A ve,.,x,.,
TO FLY TO PLEIKU TO A 0' PECIAL F0. v"4 , rtivu A1lC.i Ui L.,1CU /L+](_
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HTOO Tt1~ 9 YEARS 4L ANDVERY FRTGHTENED,!, HE. SPOKE , ENGLISH
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1 ~c.ria>~t,vtr~ Wt;LL TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS I WAS DIRECT I? TO
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WE HAVE GOT ALL THE INFORMATION WE NEED OUT OF HIM AND WE'RE
JUST GOING TO GET RID OF HIM. .AND THAT OF COURSE SHOCKED ME
AND.I?TOLD HIM THAT I WAS IN COMMAND OF THE AIRCRAFT AND AS
LONG AS I WAS IN COMMAND OF THE AIRCRAFT THERE WOULD BE NO-
HAPPENED ON ANOTHER OCCASION, BUT SOON THEY WERE DISCOURAGED
UNDER MY SEAT - I PULLED IT OUT AND COCKED IT WITH A ROUND
IN THE CHAMBER AND TOOK THE SAFETY OFF JUST TO'
LET?TH KNOW THAT I MEANT WHAT I SAID, AND LATER ON IT
ONE THROWN OVERBOARD FROM MY AEROPLANE. TO EMPHASIZE HIS I HAD
A SUB-MACHINE GUN THAT WAS A PERSONAL DEFENSE WEAPON THAT WASi,,
FROM'TRY?ING THIS NOW TOO.. THE AMERICAN HELICOPTER CREWS
~._~_ OVERBOARD. T1EY WOULD QUESTION' ONEv}
QUESTION IF HE DIDN'T ANSWER THEY WOULD THROW HIM OVERBOARD
AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WOULD TALK AND EVEN IF,H E TALKED 'THEY,'D.
THROW HIM OVERBOARD, AND THEN THIS GOT TO BE AN EPIDEMIC i
SO THAT GENERAL WESTMORELAND ISSUED A WALLET SIZED RULING TO
HIS TROOPS THAT THEY WERE NOT TO THROW PEOPLE. OUT OF THE_`
HELICOPTERS;, THEY WERE NOT TO MURDER OR TORTURE PRISONERS
BECAUSE OF THE REPRISAL THAT THE VIETCONG COULD TAKE. OW I
FOUND THE AMERICAN.ATTITUDE TOWARD THE VIETNAMESE PEOPLE A
VERY DISTURBING NC-t THEY CONSIDERED THEM GOOKS - COWARDS.
AS FAR AS THE SOUTH VIETNAMESE ARMY GOES THEY HAVE-NO COURAGE,
NO GUTS, ANDIHIS DISTURB THE AMERICANS. THEY FEEL THAT THESE
PEOPLE WILL NOT FIGHT Fb THEIR COUNTRY SO wit' $ltc ui CA~ =--
STORY THERE IS THAT 2,000 YEARS AGO'CONFUCIUS PASSED THROUGH
YOU FOR HOURS AS THEY DID M.E-AT A DA NANG AIR FORCE CLUB,,
IN RUNNI.NC- TAE VIETNANESE PEOPLE DOWN AND TELLING YOU HOW
ROTTEN AND HOW LOUSY THEY ARE...WELL THE AMERICAN'S FAVRITE
AMERICANS FIGHT AND SAVE THEIR COUNTRY. AND THEY WILL TALK,./I'O
VIETNAM HE SHOWED THEX HOW TO CARRY A BUCKED AT EACH END OF
THE STICK AS THE NORMAL ORIENTIAL SCENE, AND HE TOLD ?THEM
YET
SO THESE:PEOPLE!ARE SO BACKWARD. BUT THIS IS/jr THE CASE.
DON'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL.YdL' HEAR FROM ME, AND SO FAR AS THE
NMERICANS ARE CONCERNEO THEY HAVEN'KT HEARD FRON. CO8'F Wt U5'
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DOWN SOP DAY THAT I WILL
THE VIETNAMESE PEOPLE I FOUND ARE EXREMELY INTELLIGENT AND
ARGRESSIVE AND THEY ARE VERY HARD WORKING PEOPLE AND I LIKE THE
VIETNAMESE PEOPLE VERY MUCH AND I HOPE WHEN THIS ALL SETLES
BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND PERHAPS YELP
.THEM IN SOME SMALL WAY.., pEL PL 16 1
HAVE ASKED ME IF I WOULD HELP
.PEOPLE. THEY HAD1HEIR PX - THE POST EXCHANGE, THEIR
.'WIVES AND CHILDREN THERE, THEY STOOD ALOOF FROM THE VIETNAMESE'
THEM WITH AN AIR SERVICE TO THE MOUNTAINS AND I CERTAINLY
WOULD, BY RETURN TO SAIGON. WHEN I WAS OPERATING TjERE I
DID MAKE FRIENDS WITH MANY OF THE VIETNAMESE, WITH MECHANICS
AND OTHER PEOPLE, AND WHEN THEY FOUND OUT THAT MY ATTITUDE
WAS SYMPATIEIC TO THE VIETNAMESE PEOPLE AND THE VIETNAMESE
CULTURE HEY TOOK ME TO MANY PARTS OF SAIGON THAT OTHER ,
AMERICANS WOULD BE AFRAID TO GO. BUT I NEVER FELT IN FEAR OF
MY LIFE AND MOST THE , ANIERICANS J EVEN W1-C,EN THEY HAD TH EIR
CLUBS ANIYThEY LIVE IN THEIR OWN HOUSING.AND THEY KEPT
c
DEPARTMENT STORES"AND THEIR OWN NIGHT CLUBS AND THEIR OWN
'GETHER, 'OR VERY SELDOM,.. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY
.SEPARATED TO 'THEIR DIFFERENT CAMPS AND THEY HAD NO OTHER`
ADVISERS TO THE SOUTH VIETNAMESE ARMY. THEY DID NOT EAT` TO'
INTO; VIETCONG TERRITORY AND THEY WOULD BRING MEDICINE TO THE
QUAKER ORGANIZATION, NOW THESE BOYS WOULD REGULARLY;GO DEEP
PRECEDED THE PEACE CORPS BY MANY MANY YEARS, THIS IS A-
.:BELONGED TO THE INTERNATIONAL VOLUNTARY SERVICE WHICH
.YELLOW HE HAD NO GUTS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH... IN DA NANG
THERE WERE FOUR BOYS THAT WERE AMERICANS CITIZENS AND THEY
TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT, A ROTTEN COUNTERPART HE HAD - HE' WAS
CONTACTS WITH 'EACH OTHER. AND.'OF COURSE THE AMERICANS WOULD +
THAT THEY WERE DIS% URGED OR HINDERED OR "STOPPED: I,N_ANY WAY .__.._t_..
REGULARITY AND I 'VIE NOT HEARD ANY REPORTS FROM ANY OF THEM
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THE VIETNAMESE PEOPLE. SO THEY CAME AND. THEY WENT WITH
BOYS THAT THEY DID. NOT CARRY WEAPONS AND THEY WERE GOOD FOR j
THAT7YPE, AND EVEN THE VIETCONG PUT OUT LEAFLETS THAT THEY PASSED AROUND TO THE POIULATION THAT NO ONE WAS TO'HARM`TjHESE
RAISING PIGS AND DIGGING WELLS AND DOING USEFUL THINGS OF , i
PEOPLE. THEY WOULD HELP THEM WITH AGRICULTURE AND WITH
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