SLEEPYHEAD GARRISON RECAPS INVESTIGATION

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• Document Creation Date: November 11, 2016
• Document Release Date: January 20, 1999
• Sequence Number: 39
• Publication Date: October 9, 1967
• Content Type: TRANS

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DATE OCTOBER 9, 1967
11:28 P.M.
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SLEEPYHEAD GARRISON RECAPS INVESTIGATION
GARRISON: I'm half asleep but.he is sound asleep
and I don't want to wake him.
MICHAELS: Mr. Garrison, what are you doing in
San Francisco?
GARRISON: Purely social because I'm a friend of
Mel's and I went to L.A. on business so I came up here
to visit with Mel a little bit.
MICHAELS: Does Mr. Belli's:defense of Jack Ruby
figure into your investigation in New Orleans?
GARRISON: No, this is purely social and because
I admire him as a great lawyer.
MICHAELS: Do you think that you might call on. Mr.
Belli's services when your case gets to court down there?
GARRISON:. No, there is no connection.
MICHAELS: No connection whatsoever?
GARRISON: No, none at all.
CPYRGI'AT MICHAELS INTERVIEWS JIM GARRISON)
PAT MICHAELS: This is Pat Michaels at KNEW in the
San Francisco Bay Area and I believe we have on the line
now Mr. Melvin Belli's house guest of the weekend, Mr.
Jim Garrison, the district attorney of Orleans Parrish
in Louisiana, are you there, Mr. Garrison?
JIM GARRISON: Yes, and Mel is asleep.
MICHAELS: You're asleep--Mel is asleep but you're
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MICHAELS: You are reported in the papers looking
for some particular points of information for your case,
Mr. Garrison, is that true?
' . .
GARRISON: No. I probably didn't make myself clear.
I just came out to confirm some things in the West Coast
area and they are not even. that interesting. It was just
kind of a follow-up.
Hey listen, if I sound vague, it's because I was
asleep when the phone rang too, but Mel is even more
asleep because he has been driving at the office but
it was just a case of following up on routine things
so I thought that I would kill two birds with one stone,
but there is no special point.
MICHAELS: Mr. Garrison, you were also quoted as
giving some statements regarding the biography of Dr.
Milton Helpern, the chief medical examiner for New
York City.
GARRISON: I thought everything that I said was
off the record. Did I say some things on the record?
MICHAELS: Well, apparently this is in the paper
tonight, sir.
GARRISON: Okay.
MICHAELS: What is your interest in Dr. Helpern?
GARRISON: Well, Dr. Helpern is--nobody disputes
that Dr. Helpern is the best surgic pathologist in the
United States, nobody disputes that.
MICHAELS: And how does he figure into your inves-
tigation of the Kennedy assasination?
GARRISON: He doesn't figure into our investigations
at all but he pointed out that the Warren. Commission--
the Warren Commission-just failed to use the first rate
kind of pathologist that he represents.
In other. words, the point is--the point is that
there was never an objective examination of the x-ray
photographs or the autopsy photographs by a first rate
pathologist.
MICHAELS: Have these x-ray photographs been made
available to your investigation?
GARRISON: They haven't been made available to any-
body, are you kidding bud?
MICHAELS: Can ou subpoena them?
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GARRISON: Well, I can., but some federal judge will
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MIC~IAELS : What do you think that your investigation
is going to lead to, Mr. Garrison?
GARRISON: i think that it is going to lead to com-
plete exposure of the people who killed the President
of the United States, it won't even. be close.
MIC-%AELS: You indicate that Oswald did not commit
the murder, you said this several times.
GARRISON: No, he did not and it's not close but
again I have to make one more apology because I'm sure
that I sound like I had thirteen beers or something.
I have been asleep about forty-five minutes and Mel has
been asleep about an hour and a half so I decided that
I had to take it.
MICHA.ELS: Mel asked me to call him back in about
an hour. He said that, you know, you were going to
have dinner and he said to be sure and call back in
an hour. So I guess he kind of flaked out on us there.
GAR ISON: It was my fault I decided not to wake
him but--this isn.'t---because Oswald never shot anyone
In his life. There is no question about that.
MICHAELS: Well, who do.you think set him up, if
he was set up, indeed?
GARRISON: There are so many people that I couldn't
name them now but people mostly in. Dallas and some in New
Orleans.
MICHAELS: You have indicated also that perhaps the
CIA is involved in this, sir?
GARRISON: No, not in. the muder itself, although
there were two employees in the CIA who were just
above the operating level who kept control of Oswald
but outside of that the CIA at the policy making level
is absolutely not involved, on the other hand, they would
have been embarrassed by the fact that Oswald was, at
the time of the assasination,a CIA employee.
MICHAELS: Mr. Garrison., we have heard a lot of
reports. As journalists out here on. the West Coast,
we would like to throw this question in. the tube, that
to a large extent what you have been. investigating is
surrounded by a homosexual--or in other words, there
are a lot of people involved allegedly in this area
of investigation, the people that you are investigating,
who are or have been. engaged in homosexual activity;
is that Lure?
GAA:?RISON: I would answer by saying that most of
the people that we have been. investi atin mo of
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the people involved are a kind of old-fashioned like you
or me in. that they like girls.
MICHAELS:`-; In other words, there have not been homo-
sexuals involved in this.
GARRISON: Yes, there have but it's peripheral, it's
not a major factor.
MICHAELS: Was it true that Oswald was involved
in some sort of homosexual activity?''
GARRISON: I can't comment on. that.
MICHAELS: Mr. Garrison., when do you think that you
will be able to have a chance to present your information?
GARRISON: Well, that's hard to say because the
Shell case itself will be restricted by the rules of
evidence but I'm confident that ultimately it won't
even. be close, it's just not close.
The Shell case will probably be delayed because the
defendant just asked last week for a six-month delay in.
the trial. We were ready. We opposed it but I guess
he will get about a four-month delay so some time early
next year. . .but even. so, even at the Shell trial, the
rules of evidence are very, very constrictive, it doesn't
mean that you go into the entire Texas affair at that
time, and of course, the main thing really is Texas.
MICHAELS: When do you expect to reveal the people
that you suspect of committing the actual murder?
GARRISON: Well, the whole thing will take about
another year, I regret to say, but I would say about
another year, it's that complicated. There was that
much planning.
MICHAELS: Mr. Garrison, do you plan any exciting
revelations between now and next year, before this comes
about?
GARRISON: If I had some exciting revelations please
believe me, I would avoid them, delay them, I don't plan
them, you know.
MICHAELS: There have been some indications in the
new book, Lee, which was written by.Oswald's brother
and the two other authors that there was a great deal
of suspicion at the time of the murder of the FBI,
have you any comment on that?
GARRISON: If I had some. . .the FBI did the best job
of any federal agency in the entire investigation, the
commission exhibits of the FBI, and their presence in
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 the twenty-six volumes is one of the reasons that the
door is not closed. I do not see how any fair-minded
person could criticize the FBI at'all. Of all the
possible federal agencies, and there are a number,
the FBI is the least culpable.
MICHAELS: What would you consider or tell me a
culpable agency?
GARRISON: The CIA.
MICHAELS: Was Oswald actually working for the CIA
at one time?
GARRISON: Yes, it was not just one time but from
the three years that he was admitted all the way up
to the day he was executed in Dallas.
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MICHA.ELS: What do you mean. executed?
GARRISON: Well, it 'gas a foregone conclusion that
he had no chance, it was -ust a removal of him because
he knew too much and he could have told how the whole
thing happened.
So that is what I call an execution in other words,
it was nothing else, there was no way for him to survive.
111 'ICHA.ELS: On. of the professors of the University
of California at San Diego wrote a book called, The Other
Oswald, which. I'm sure has come to your attention, do
you believe the theory that there were two Oswaids?
GARRISON: The Second Oswald.
MICHA.ELS : What's that?
GARRISON: The Second Oswald, by Richard Tompkins.
MICHAELS: Yes, do you believe his theory?
GARRISON: I don't like the title of the book, but
he didn't title it. it's not a theory, it's fact, he
just referred to the fact that prior to the assasination
there was activity by another individual who kind of set
it up to make it easier to charge Oswald, but it wasn't
necessary it turned out because they just--the Dallas
police kind of charged Oswald and lined him up because
he was a Marxist in. quotes and then the federal estab-
li shmen.t bough the story.
MICHAELS: Well, if he was a Marxist, how did he
get on. the payroll of the CIA? Or how did he get to
work for the CIA?
GARRISON: Because he was not a Marxist.
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MICHAELS: He was not really a Marxist.
GARRISON.: Never, never was a communist, never.
Not even close, bud.
MICHAELS:? Sir, there have been rumors or reports
that you have alleged that the right wing of this coun-
try was responsible for the death of the president.
GARRISON: There we-_ie but not in the sense of con-
servatives, there are no 'Legitimate conservative organi-
zations involved but individuals from the, what we call,
para-military right wing were involved yet, but no sin-
gle organization.
MICHAIELS: I thank you very much, Mr. Garrison,
for giving us your time. Are you going back to New
Orleans tommorrow?
GARRISON: Well, first I'm going to get in bed and
go to sleep, and then I'm going to t,leave probably for
New Orleans tommorrow but I did not want to wake Mel
up and I hope I wasn't too fuzzy when I talked to you.
MICHAELS: By the way, how many beers did you have?
GARRISON: I didn't have any beers, I just got tired
from pushing and I wc~=t to sleep about 10:30 tonight and
I woke up when the phone rang.
MICHAELS: I thank you Mr. Garrison for talking
with us.
GARRISON: I'm not against beers, I just didn't have
time tonight, that's all.
MICHAELS: Thank you for talking to us sir and good
night.
GARRISON: It was my pleasure.
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