JOURNAL OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL THURSDAY - 27 APRIL 1972

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• Document Creation Date: December 19, 2016
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• Publication Date: April 27, 1972
• Content Type: NOTES

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Thursday - 27 April 1972
1. (Internal Use Only - JGO) Received a call from Mr. Norman
Cornish, Deputy Staff Director, Foreign Operations and Government
Information Subcommittee of the House Government Operations Committee,
concerning the Chairman's letter of 25 April 1972 requesting the designation
of a witness or witnesses to appear and testify in a hearing on Friday,
5 May, on the security classification problems affecting exemption (b)(1)
of the Freedom of Information Act and the way in which the President's new
Executive Order 11652 will affect the operation of the security classification
system. Mr. Cornish told me that since the hearing is scheduled for next
week, he would appreciate a response as soon as possible. Mr. Houston,
OGC, has been advised.
2. (Confidential - JGO) Received a call from Mr. George Berdes,
National Security Policy and Scientific Developments Subcommittee staff of
the House Foreign Affairs Committee, who told me that conflict in Committee
assignment will limit the number of individuals to be present next Thursday
and suggested that go over to the following week, After checking with
Mr. Duckett's, DDS&T, office I called Mr. Berdes and suggested Tuesday
morning, 9 May, at 10:00. He will check with the Chairman and be back in
touch tomorrow. See Journal of 26 April 1972.
3. (Unclassified - GLC) Left with Senator Gordon Allott's (R. , Colo. )
office copies of the back issues of the FBIS USSR book covering the past two
weeks. This was in response to a request of Dana Patton of the Senator's staff.
4. (Confidential - GLC) Left with David Martin, of the Senate Internal
Security Subcommittee staff, some additional material on the Versailles Peace
Conference on Southeast Asia with the understanding that this material would
be used by Martin in its present form.
5. (Confidential - GLC) I CI Staff, called to say that DOD
had raised with him the possibility of having a military man present at
briefing of David Martin's, Senate Internal Security Subcommittee staff, group
tomorrow. II told Walter C. Minnick, of the White House staff, he
had no objection but this was a matter that they should take up with Martin.
was advised. He also made it clear that we were not providing Martin
with any classified documents,
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6. (Confidential - GLC) I talked with Ed Braswell, Chief Counsel,
Senate Armed Services Committee, again about the possibilities for resolving
the problems with the "dissemination of information" section and the 10%
personnel :reduction section of the State Department Authorization bill in the
Senate. Braswell said he was sure that Senator Stennis would fight for an
exemption for CIA from the personnel reduction provision but he seriously
doubted that the Senator would be willing to take the issue any further than
this, (i. e. he did not argue for similar exclusions for the Department of
Defense or others). Braswell did say, however, that the Senator might be
willing to take issue with the 10% reduction provision and the personnel 25X1
ceiling on strictly Committee jurisdiction grounds. Braswell asked us to
give him some arguments on these two proposals by close of business tomorrow
since the bill is scheduled to come up on the floor Monday. Braswell is not
at all optimistic that anything can be done in the Agency's interest with regard
to the dissemination of information section without getting into a full-blown
Senate floor discussion on the subject of CIA's covert action programs and
this was bound to be a loser. He feels that the only way of wrestling with this
problem is by discussion with Chairman Morgan, of the House Foreign Affairs
Committee, in the hope that he will change the language when the bill comes
before that Committee.
7. (Confidential - GLC) At his request I met with Mr. Bob O'Regan,
on the staff of Representative Dante B. Fascell (D., Fla.), who gave me a
copy of a letter to the Congressman from Charles A. Gauld requesting infor-
mation on Cuban radio stations in Florida. According to Gauld these stations
are making Spanish language broadcasts not only attacking Castro but also
criticizing U. S. po.licies,the President's proposed trip to Moscow, and
related matters. O'Regan asked if I would provide him with information
which they could use in responding to Gauld's letter. I have passed this
to WH Division for advice.
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8. (Confidential - JMM) Accompanied George Carver, SAVA, who
briefed Senator Charles Percy and Scott Cohen, of his staff, on the military
situation in Vietnam. The Senator was particularly interested in talk of a
"Dunkirk" situation which might confront the remaining U. S. troops in South
Vietnam, the military threat to Saigon, the role of the South Vietnamese air
force, and the overall military prospects of the war.
9. (Confidential - JMM) Met with Bill Woodruff, Counsel, Senate
Appropriations Committee, and discussed the above -mentioned amendments
to the Foreign Relations Authorization Act (S. 3526). He shares the view of
other Hill contacts with whom we have discussed the matter that getting any
exemption for CIA to the restrictions on dissemination of overseas information
is virtually out of the question in the Senate. He rather favored my suggestion
that we may try to cope with the situation by getting the House Foreign Affairs
Committee to introduce a "clean bill" covering much the same ground as the
Church amendment in the Senate, but with language acceptable to the Agency.
10. (Confidential - JMM) Called Frank Slatinshek, Assistant Chief
Counsel, House Armed Services Committee, regarding a request from
Chairman Moorhead, Foreign Operations and Government Information Subcom-
mittee, House Government Operations Committee, for Agency witnesses to
appear on 5 May to testify on security and classification problems. Slatin.shek's
off-the-cuff comment was (a) we cannot avoid appearing, (b) it would be helpful
to buy time so that Chairman Nedzi and our oversight Subcommittee could cover
this problem with us first, and (c) when we do appear before Moorhead we should
not push for executive session, since an appearance in open session would
provide justification for refusing to answer any detailed questions.
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11. (Confidential - JMM) Called John Lehman, NSC staff, to say
that our conversation today with Ed Braswell, Chief Counsel, Senate Armed
Services Committee, indicated that Senator Stennis probably would not fight
the 10% across-the-board cut in overseas personnel called for in the Fulbright
amendment to the Foreign Relations Authorization Act (S. 352-6), but might
support a special exemption for CIA. In view of this, I told Lehman that I
didn't feel qualified to represent the entire Administration in opposing the
across-the-board cut since I foresaw a conflict of interest between CIA and
other agencies involved. Lehman agreed with my suggestion that I call Defense
and USIA and explain my problem. I told Lehman I would be glad to be helpful
but in addition to the conflict of interest problem, I really didn't feel I knew
enough about the situation regarding other agencies to represent their interests
effectively.
12. (Confidential - JMM) In the absence of Rady Johnson, Assistant to
the Secretary of Defense (Legislative Affairs), I talked with his Deputy Colonel
George Dalferes on the above matter and explained why I didn't think I could be
helpful in pleading DIA's case on the personnel cuts. He said he appreciated my
position and would pass the word on to Johnson.
13. (Confidential - JMM) Called Charles Ablard, General Counsel of
USIA, to tell him that, as I had already explained to John Lehman, NSC staff,
I didn't think I could effectively represent the interest of any other agencies
than CIA in connection with the Church bill on dissemination of information
abroad. Ablard said he surely understood the problem and they would try to
take care of their interest in the matter as best they could. We agreed to keep
in touch.
J JOHN M. MAURY
Legislative Counsel
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