CONVERSATIONS WITH DICK TUFARO AND BOB ANDREWS (DEFENSE)

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP77-00389R000100070034-2
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• Document Creation Date: December 12, 2016
• Document Release Date: May 3, 2002
• Sequence Number: 34
• Publication Date: March 1, 1973
• Content Type: MFR

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SUBJECT. Conversations with Dick Tufaro and Bob Andrews (Defense)
1. I called Dick Tufaro yesterday to inquire about the ICRC
March agenda. He listed the several items, which we have now
received in his formal transmission. The items made no reference
to our .two papers to Mr. Eisenhower on the reporting requirements
and data index system. I reflected on this omission and called
Tufaro back. I asked if the omission meant that our two items were
being "thought about. " He said that was substantially the case. On
further reflection I called him back today and suggested we perhaps
are failing to talk substance with each other. Was I correct in assum-
ing -we had not persuaded anyone with our two letters, since we had
received no comment and the agenda does not include either item?
He diverged slightly to say he has had no comment from any other
member and no member had expressed agreement with our letters
and asked if we had received any comment. I told him we had not.
Tufaro said Mr. Eisenhower had simply decided not to put them on
the agenda. He also thought we should direct our efforts to substance
rather than procedures, to which I agreed. He noted also that we had
not hesitated to "go out of channels" to Eisenhower on the AP matter.
Further, we had been glad to use informal arrangements when we had
agreed with Chairman Eisenhower on CIA submission of the lists of
classifiers, but when informal arrangements were used elsewhere,
we had objected. I assured him we did not think that we should have
the benefit of flexible rules in the one instance and then object to
flexible rules in other instances. He said he realized we had spe-
cial problems. I expressed my appreciation for this and assured
him also that we are aware that this is a new program, one of whose
major objectives is to do something about the problem of overclassi-
fication and virtually perpetual classification. Specifically, there is
the problem of balancing this objective with the other major objective
of protecting defense information. Tufaro agreed with this also. He
thought we should regard the Instructions letter as objectives only and
sit down with them to work out problems. I told him of course we
would do that but we had not seen in the letters indication that they
were merely objectives.
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2. I called Bob Andrews of Defense this afternoon and asked
if he had seen our two papers and if so what their reaction was. He
had seen them; he thought they were well written and he is in agree-
ment. He has not talked with Fred Buzhardt in depth. He has talked
with Tufaro who reported that Chairman Eisenhower "blew his stack"
and said: "We are not going to go back after having worked on these
matters so long. " He expects to have written comments from else-
where in the Pentagon and would be in a position perhaps with written
comments to deal with these matters at the March meeting. Andrews
asked if report forms modified to meet the objections expressed in
our letters would be satisfactory to us and I responded in the affirma-
tive. He suggested that we take a more positive stance. For instance,
we might prepare modifications of the report forms. In order to pre-
pare for the March meeting, he would like to know what we propose to
do and he would like to see modified forms. ' I then told him that I did
not know what we are going to do. Mr. Houston in fact did not yet
know of my conversations with Tufaro but I would discuss this with
Mr. Houston and get back to Andrews.
Associate General Counsel
STAT cc: I
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