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5? LM) In the absence of Representative CJarencc_
Brown (R. , 'iO , spoke with Lou Snyder, Appointment Secretary-, and
she said the Congressman 'night perhaps miss the hearing before the
Subcommittee on Government Information and Individual Rights., Ilo.US
Government Operations Committee, tomorrow morning because he `would
be breakfasting with the President. She will, however, relay- a niessage
from me that our General Counsel, John Warner, is scheduled to appear
before the Subcommittee.
6. LM) In the absence of Represe -rtative Saxe.
Steiger (R. , Ariz.), spoke with Tom Sullivan, Assist-ant and Minority
Counsel, Subcommittee on Government Information and individual Rights,
House Government Operations Committee. Sullivan said
Ccrng es.sman
Steiger will be in attendance tomorrow during Mr. John Warner-ls, OGC,
appearance before the Subcommittee.
7? LM) George Berdes, Consultant, Subcommittee
on International Security and Scientific Affairs, House lnt:ernationa1
Relations Committee, called about a possible conflict between Mr. Carl 25X1
Duckett' s', DDS&T briefing of the Subcommittee at 2:00 p. xxi. on the
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will advise us tomorrow morning if the briefing is to be cancelled,.
8. LLM) Fred Ritz, n7-) ir.,:.~,;rt A -.,.I
called saying he had heard we would be giving a briefing -
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Ilitz the circumstances oftl It-- I gave
Ing, Including its iffy nature. He Laid Representative Floyd Flicks (D., Wash.) has requested such a briefing
and he thinks this would fit his needs nicely. Hitz said the I)irerctor- is
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oing a superb job in being available to be sure that rxrenbc rs understand
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9. Called Charles Snodgrass 'louse A ro riations
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schedule is pretty tight and if we could put this off until next week it
would be fine with us, but we were ready to report at their Convenience.
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22. PLC) Called Robert Pratt, in the office
of Representative Robert F. Drinan (D., Mass.), in response t.o the
Representative's letter to Freedom of Information 25X1
Coordinator, on behalf of a constituent, Thomas P. Budnick, who claims
that the Agency had not yet responded to his FOI request. Of a month ago.
I explained to Pratt that the Agency has no record of any prior corres-
pondence from Budnick, however, we were corresponding with him directly
based on Representative Drinan's letter.
23. LC) Called Rob, in the office of
Representative George Miller (D. , Calif. ), in response to his call to
Mr. Thuermer's office inquiring as to the status of a Freedom. of
Information request from a constituent, Thomas Hardwick. I informed
Rob that a final response was being sent this week.
24? Delivered 50 copies of Mr. Warners
prepared statement for the Representative Bella Abzug (D., N. Y.
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hearing, 23 July 1975, to Tim Ingram, of the House Government:
Operations Committee staff.
`25. Picked up a letter from Senator
Adlai E. Stevenson, D. , Ili.) for Mr. George L. Gary.
prepared statement, for the Representative Bella Abzug (D. , N. Y.)
hearing of 23 July 1975, to one staff member from each of our oversight:
committees, Ralph Preston, House .Appropriations Committee staff,
Frank Slatinshek, House Armed Services Committee staff, Ed l3r.aswell,,
Senate Armed Services Committee staff, and Guy McConnell, Senate
Appropriations C o.m.mittee staff.
27. JMD) Called Steve Skancke, NSC staff, and asked
him if he had received the transcripts of incident from State and 25X1
Defense said he had received them and had sent them with their recoin.-
'men ations to General Brent Scowcroft, USAF, Deputy Assistant for National
Security Affairs. I then called Donna Larsen, in the office of John Cl. Marsh,.
Counsellor to the President, and advised her of the situation. I asked if she
could check with Mr. Marsh and see if he could do anything to hurry this IIr
for us as the Senate Foreign Relations Committee was giving us a. bad time.
She said she would talk to Mr. Marsh as soon as possible.
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28. GLC} Studies in Intelligence, OT.R,
called to say they are considering a study, in house, on Agency relation-
ships with the Congress and wondered what my views were on this subject,.
I told that it might he useful to write such a study but that the most
knowledgeable people just did not have the time to devote to it.. We agreed.
to take a look at Jack Maury' s, D WD Le islative Affairs earlier article
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on this subject as well as the prin i.ng of Representative lucicn. Nedzi's
(D. , Mich.) remarks to the Advanced Intelligence Seminar class to see if
there was any real merit in an update article. We are to get together on
this sometime next week.
29. GLC) Clay Swanzy, 1'ress Aide to Rcp:resentative
Jack Edwards (R., Ala.), called and asked if they could change the time of
the taping session with General Walters on Monday from 11:00 to 11:30 on
Monday, 28 July. After checking with General Walters' office, this ti.rne was
confirmed.
30. GLC) Called Tom Wagner, in the office of
Senator Adlai E. Stevenson, (D. , Ill.) in connection with their request for a
briefing for Senators Stevenson and Charles Percy (R., Ill. ), Wagner said
both the Senators would like to have John Lewis, Consultant to Stevenson who
will be accompanying the Senators on their upcoming trip to China, sit in on,
the briefing. He said they were particularly interested in Chinese attitudes
toward Korea, their political structure, any potential changes of leadership,
energy, etc. It was agreed that I laid
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11. LM) Called Bill Mogan, of the House
Committee on rmc ervices staff, regarding our understanding
that Jack Boos, of the House Select Committee staff, has requested a
session with GAO which we believe may cover the recent GAO audit
of Hogan agreed with our observa-
tion that the House Select Committee is not in a position to receive
such information at this time and that the GAO representative-, if the
matter comes up, should defer to the security agreement restraint
with both the Agency and the Intelligence Subcommittee on this matter.
7 DDI was advised.
Hogan advised that apparently someone has spoken to Chairman
Jack Brooks, (D. , Tex.) of the House Government Operations Comnmitte(e,,
concerning the GAO audit of land that Mr. Brooks has now 25X1
requested a copy of the report from the Intelligence Subcommittee.
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12. LLM) In response to his urgent call, left
for Richard Pere, of the Subcommittee on Investigations, Senate
Government Operations Committee, the following information: 1) He
should go to t-D determine the extent that Soviet acquisition of. FIAWK25X1
missile system for experiment and testing purposes would assist them. to
develop counter-measures and; 2)
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13. LLM) While outside of the House Chambers
Representa Live Pau McCloskey (R. ,Calif.) in a chance meeting,
asked how Agency morale was holding up. I told him it was much as
he might expect but that in addition to all of the investigations, the
Freedom of Information Act requirements were imposing intolerable
burdens affecting not only morale, but our ability to deal with other
responsibilities. He requested that we provide him whatever material
is needed to support an amendment which would provide relief from
some of the more difficult administrative burdens imposed by the Act.
We also briefly discussed the upcoming hearings before House
Subcommittee on Government Information and Individual Rights on the
1954 non-prosecution agreement with the Department of Justice and he
feels such matters were outside of the jurisdiction of the Subcommittee
and intends to fight the hearings on that basis.
I told him that we had some more material for hire in response
to his declassification requests and he wondered about the delay in
connection with the 1967 SNIE. I told him I would chock.
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Nedzi (D. , Mich.) outside of the House Chamber and provided him with a
copy of the Director's letter to the Postmaster General, of 16 July 1975.
Mr. Nedzi had received this information earlier front. Representative
David Henderson, (D. , N. C.) Chairman of the House Post Office and
Civil Service Committee. I also provided a copy of the letter and alert
to the Postmaster General's possible release of it this afternoon to our
oversight committees (Messrs. Frank Slatinshek, Ralph Prctst:on, Clark
McFadden, and Guy McConnell.).
on the staff of Representative Les Aspin (D. Wis. ), who wanted to talk
about Somalia. He asked if there was any possibility that what tlt(.e-
members who visited Somalia saw and what has been reported at Iler1wra
does not really exist. I told Kleinman there was no chance of this since not
only had the members seen it, but we had photographed it. The said,
fine and then I went on to ask if I could have someone talk to him about
the possibility that the AID cut-off had anything to do with the Somalia cou >.
I told hire I would have get in touch with hire on this- 2X1
16. GLC) Walter Elder of the Review Staff, yy~~
called to advise me of developments in the case involving Rc,pr esen YtS`cr'e
Timothy E. Wirth (D. , Colo. ). Elder asked if I saw any reason why he
should not send a note to Jim Wilderotter, of the White blouse staff, on
this and I said I did not.
17, GLC) Talked with Jack Maury, Deputy Assistant
Secretary o Defense,. Legislative Affairs, who said among other things,
that he was accompanying Secretary James R. Schlesinger to a meeting
with Senator John L. McClellan (D. , Ark. ) this afternoon for the purpose
of briefing him on "the recent information concerning Chile." He said the
Secretary has already seen Chairmen Melvin Price (D. , 111. } and
John Stennis (D. , Miss. ).
Representative Patricia Schroeder's (D. , Colo, ) Denver office He is fff' ,.1~
already doing extensive research on my resnonse to sentative Schr e-}
request for He asked me
specifically about the statutes of Section 654 of Title 5 (referred to in
Section 6 of the CIA Act) and I told him that provision of law requiring
Civil Service Commission reports had been repealed in 1960.
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17. DFM) Took a call. from Scott Cohen, 1.xccut:ivice
Assistant to Senator Charles Percy (R. , Ill. ). Senator Percy bas, been.
listed as a reference by Vietnam refugee and former cabinet minister,
Nugyen Van Ngai but doesn't remember having met hire? Mr. Cohen asked if.
we could provide information on Nugyen Van Ngai for the Senatorrs; benefit.
After checking with I gave Mr. Cohen a sketchy
biographic background and informed him that to the best: of our knowledgge,
Nugyen Van Ngai had never been involved in any corrupt practices.
18. C) Hand carried t:he statistics of :five inserts
in the domestic mail to George Gould, on the staff of the Post Office and
Civil Service Subcommittee on Postal Facilities, Mail and Labor Man agerno tit.
These statistics were coordinated with land a copy of the 25X1
statistics, along with the Director's testimony on insertions were sent
to
19. D) Called Donna Larson, in the office of
Mr. John Marsh, Counsellor to the President, and asked if she could
check with the NSC staff and find out when we might: expect a decision on
the sani.tization of Dincident transcripts. She said she would check
and let me know.
Later in the day, I received a call from Steve Skancke, of the NSC
staff, regarding the transcripts. He asked if we had cleared these with
State Department or efense Department. After checking I told hints: w(-:-
had not. He said he would see each se Departments a copy- and get
their opinions. I asked how long this would. take, adding that we were
really being, pushed by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to give
them an answer. Skancke said he should have an answer back by Monday,
21 July.
20, MD) Oija Stacks, in the office of Representative:
Jack Edwards R. , Ala, ), called and said they had never received a. response
to their letter of 24 June concerning the FOIA request of Walter J_ Lee. I.
told her I would have call her back.
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10. DFM) Called Mr. Kojalis, in the office of
Representative Alphonzo Bell (R. , Calif.) regarding his inquiry of last week
about the reported KGB list of wanted American citizens. He had re cluxested
a copy of the list on behalf of the Congressman. I told Mr. Kojali s ghat we
knew of no KGB list of American citizens, but that we did have a KGB list
of over 1100 wanted Soviet citizens. He did not express an interest in a copy
of this list.
11. IDFM) I called Russell Chapin, in. the l c:l.mart;m
of Ju.stice, regarding proposed new legislation to clarify the existing law c>n
the garnishment of Federal employees'wages. Mr. Chapin said that. Justice
had prepared draft legislation which OMB had not approved and that Justice
would be submitting a new proposal to OMB within the next few days... He
said all agencies were to be given the opportunity by OMB to comment on the,
new legislation. He also said he had spoken to William Galvin, Senator Russell
B. Long's (D. , La.) man on the Senate Committee on Finance, regarding
the interests of the National Security Agency, but that Mr. Galvin rejected
the notion of any special treatment.
12. DFM) Called Chris Aughney, OMB, regarding the
proposed Executive Order and Regulations on garnishment of I'ederal
employees' wages. Ms. Aughney stated that much work needed to he done on
both the Executive Order and Regulations and she assured me that the Agency
would be consulted before anything was finalized. Apparently, the proposed
Executive Order, which we have previously approved, may be subject: to
some major modifications to make it more specific. She offered to keep
me informed by telephone of any developments in this area and I accepted..
13. DFM) Talked to a case worker in the office of
Representative J. Herbert Burke (R. , Fla.) regarding an inquiry
from a constituent who was incensed over the news leak on the Glonar
Explorer.. Congressman Burke's office had originally contacted the Justice
Department which referred them to the Department of Defense hick referred
them to us. .1 provided the case worker a su es :e .. re.ere!-)arced: by
which stated the problems involved in planning a prosecution
for the leak. She seemed delighted with the reply.
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(D. , Conn.) this afternoon to tell him the Director felt he had had a good
talk with him. on the phone the other day and wanted hire to have the thrust
of his (the Director' s) letter of 25 June 1975 to Chairman George II.. Mahon
(D., Tex.) House Appropriations Committee, on the intelligence community
budget. I left with Giaimo a blind copy of this letter. I also discussed with
Mr. Giaimo the same points which I had covered in greater detail with Ralph
Preston and Chuck Snodgrass, House Subcommittee on Defense, Committee
on Appropriations staff, at lunch earlier in the day.
I mentioned to Mr. Giaimo that I had received from the Office of
Training, some of the comments which had been made by the members of
the Advanced Intelligence Seminar which he spoke to some time ago in their
critique of the speakers who addressed them. I told him the comments I was
giving him a copy of (without attribution to individuals, of course) was not
all inclusive but was representative of the critiques given of his talk. In
general, the comments were that Mr. Giaimo was fair and candid, although
he admittedly did not know an awful lot about the intelligence community or
its processes. He appeared genuinely interested in these comments and in
response to my suggestion that he speak to one of these groups again after we-
had given him a break, he said he would be happy to do so.
24. GLC) Since I was on the hill, I dropped by to see
Pat Holt, on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee staff, in response to his
telephone call to the office. Holt very politely needled me about the transcript
of the Dulles testimony on incident which he had sent to us for security
review some time ago. I told him we had been quite prepared to send this back
to the Committee some time ago, but when we found that the Committee had.
made queries to the Department of Tlcefo6n66and the State Department on the
testimony of other witnesses on this subject and that there were inter--related
interests between State, Defense and ourselves of the testimony of each other,
that this had slowed down the security review process considerably. I told
him that it was high time this had been completed, however, and that I would
make every effort to get the transcript back to him within the next few days.
I took this opportunity to mention to Bolt that
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to be back in touch with him concerning his inquiry about Mobutu during my
absence several weeks ago, but that other priorities had pushed this to the
back burner temporarily. We went over the subject including
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conversations w
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further on t
his subject thati
would be back in touch with hierL
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25. - FM) Called Naorni. Sweeney, 0MB, regarctzr,t; 11r ojxose
regulations covering garnishment proceedings against federal employees. Such
proceedings were authorized under Ply 93-647. Ms. Sweeney pave me the impres.
sion that things weren't moving too rapidly on this matter and referred rue to
Russell Chapin, Justice Department and Chris Aughney, 0MB, for the specifics.
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26. .LC) I met with Bob Kelley, of the Senate: Select
Committee staff, this afternoon and gave him a letter bearing Senator Charles
Mathias' (R. , Md. ) frank which was addressed as follows: Mr. Bob Kelley,
CIA Intelligence Committee, DSOGr - G308. I told Kelley that somehow the
letter had been misdirected to the Agency and to my office where it was-
inadvertently opened along with other mail. I told him that I had not looked
at the letter but resealed the envelope which I gave to him. Kelley opened
the envelope but did not disclose the nature of its contents. I-Ic thankedn e25X1
for dropping the letter by and said that it should cause no problems.
27. GLC) Accompanied.
Toth from OER, to a briefing of Senator Russel] Long, (D< ,. La. ) on the
subject of the OPEC oil tanker fleet expansion (See Journals of 10 July and
11 July). The session was a very brief one since the Senator had to leave
a Finance Committee meeting which he had been chairing and was then called
to the floor for a vote, but he was obviously interested in what McDonald and
Carr had to say and said he might want to have a further session with us later We indicated that we would be happy to make a, return visit at his convenience,.
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28. MD) Jane Schmidt, in the office of
External Affairs Division called. and said. General Graham
would like to borrow a copy of Mr. Colby s transcript before the Joint 'F~,cono:7s:ie
Committee of 18 June. She said they had checked with the Committee and they
had no problem with this but said she would have to get the copy from CIA.
After checking with Mr. Cary, and a copy was sent to DIA 25X1
with a note explaining we are in the process of saniti'i.ng this transcript and
the cony we were sending them was still classified.
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33. GLC) Met with Representative Jack Kemp (R., N. S
and talked with him about our concern over the possibility that the House Defen
Appropriations Subcommittee would report out a bill including an open line iten
on intelligence. I reviewed some of the background of this situation. with Mr.
Kemp and at his request agreed to provide him with some backup material on t subject.
34. IGLC) At his request, went by the office of
Representative Edward J. Derwinski (R., Ill.) and picked up from him a. le-Ater
and attachment from a friend in Belize which he felt would be of inter. est to u.s.
I am forwarding this to LA Division for their information and comment.
Dan Daniel (D., Va.) who showed me a nasty personal note he had received
from. an American citizen in England. The thrust of the note criticizes Daniel.
for defending CIA and concludes that he must be stealing money, accepting
bribes, or engaging in serious nefarious acts. Mr. Daniel gave me a copy of
the item and I am checking into it.
Legislative Affairs, ment of Defe to see what action, if any, he ,
has taken or is taking wi~t? -respect To ase and Carl Duckett's 25X1
matter. Maury has not been in touch with the Committees and has no plans
to discuss either of these matters with them at the moment. I told. him I
had briefed the Chairman of Carl Duckett's material several days ago and
was reviewing the circumstances of
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37. LC) Called Alan Rexinger, on the staff of.
Representative Robert McClory (R., I11. ), to advise him that the U. S.
District Court for the District of Columbia had dismissed Representative
Michael Harrington's (D., Mass.) suit against the Agency. I told him I
wanted to pass this on to him in view of his past interest in this suit.
the Justice Department. I had called him at Justice to discuss S. 495 and
had been told that he now worked on the Hill, and was given a number to call.
On calling, I discovered Dave had moved over to the Senate Select Comn-mi.ttee.
He gave me the name of Mac Redwine, as the guy I should deal with on S. 495
from now on.
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19. JMD) Paul Bruhn, Administrative Assistant
to Senator Patrick Leahy, (D., Vt.) called and said he and the Senator
had a chat with John Maury, Assistant Secretary o c (Legislative
Affairs), this morning about the U-2 incident. Bruhn sax one of the
interesting things that came up was the whole procurement process for
the U-2. He said Maury told them that when. the NSC was talking about
the U-2 and knew that it was feasible, they went to the Air Force and
asked them to build it. The Air Force said it would take six years and
the contract, was then given to the CIA. It was flying within a year and
at 30% of the estimated Air Force cost. Bruhn said they are taking a.
look at the whole procurement process and were very interested in this.
He said they would like as much background on that incident and the
whole procurement procedure as they could get. He said Maury told
them some of this may still be classified. I told him I would have
someone check into this and be back in touch. He said if some of the
material is still classified, we could advise them and they would treat
it accordingly. I told him since this goes back some years, it may be a
while before we could get him an answer but we would get back to him as
soon as possible. He said they (he and the Senator) felt too rnany people
were t
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Goldsmith, of the Senate Armed Services Committee staff, and filled them
in on the facts pertaining to the Agency payments to Ashland Petroleum
that were mentioned in this morning's papers. I also left with McFadden a
copy of the Director's report to the President of 24 December 1974 as approved
for release by the White House.
John Goldsmith said he had received a number of inquiries about the
discuss this further in the next day or so.' [:o
2~:? GLC) Following up on a call from Senator
Stuart Symington (D., Mo.) to the Director's office, I went by his office
and left for him a copy of the Director's report to the President of -
24 December 1974 as approved for release by the White I-louse..
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