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Approved For Release 2006/01/03 : CIA-RDP77M00144R000600010021-5 Journal Office of Legislative Counsel Friday - 30 May 1975 Page 2 5. Talked with Joseph Connor regarding his requests per Mr. Cary for information on, our informant system.. He explained his interest was an outcome of an IRS case in Florida and it was an effort by his organization to establish the legal basis and. procedures for the use of informants. He indicated that he had had a response from the FBI which was a general synopsis of their program. Accordingly, he needed general information of other agencies such. as the CIA for purposes of comparison. I explained a large portion of our activities were abroad and would not be a good basis for comparison. Hex mentioned that CIA might be involved in some activities in the U. S. which might add to his base of information. I explained that any such activities would give a very limited scope and would not be useful for his purposes. Furthermore, the Senate Committee of Congress was looking into this aspect and have very little to contribute. He appreciated my response and said that now that he understood differences between CIA. and other agencies in the U. S. he would have no need for information from us on this subject. 25X1 Approved For Release 2006/01/03 : CIA-RDP77M00144R000600010021-5 Approved For Release 2006/01/03 : CIA-RDP77M00144R000600010021-5 Journal - Office of Legislative Counsel Friday - 30 May 1975 7. 1 conferring with CONFIDENTIAL Page 3 GLC) At the Director's suggestion and after I called Richard Fryklund,_ DOD f e x; s~ 1t i r A24 1_ Quite, and told him it any of the Defense analysts wanted to talk with our counterparts on the subject of the Soviet presence in the Indian Ocean, of OSR was the man they should contact. Fryklund said he would 'pass this on to Jim Noyes of ISA who is handling this for Defense. 8. GLC) Mrs. Freedman, in the office of Senator Dewey Bartlett, called to say the Senator would like to take us up on our invitation for a breakfast/briefing at the Agency. The Senator is interested in getting background briefings on Soviet weapons programs and, as a newly appointed member of the CIA Subcommittee, would like to get a background briefing on the Agency in general. Mrs. Freedman said the Senator, would not be available on 4, 5, 9, 10 or 11 June. I told her I would check the Director's calendar and be back in touch. 9? IGLC) Called Fritz Schwarz, Counsel of the Senate Select Committee, and told him we were having considerable difficulty in correcting the transcripts of the Director's testimony before the Committee to date particularly in view of numerous errors and garbles on the part of the shorthand reporters. Schwarz said he was aware of these problems with the transcripts and. said there was no great rush in getting the corrections in.. 10. GLC) By way of follow up to his earlier inquiry, I advised Hugh Wolff, Library of Congress, that Dr. Ed Proctor would be happy to give an unclassified briefing on the Agency to Wolff and some of his associates I told him Dr. Proctor is away at present and we will be in touch when he returns. 11. LC) I called concerning the question of providing GAO auditors with certain classified background papers of peripheral interest in their review of the liquidation of Presumably theseppapers would be included in the GAO report ant copies retained in GAO files. I called Bill Hogan, House Armed Services Committee staff, who agreed with my position that it would be best if GAO merely made reference to these documents in their report and indicate that they can be made available directly t:o Chairman Nedzi if he wishes to have access to them. Hogan also pointed. out that. only the interim GAO report is due next week. He said this matter can be covered further with GAO when he meets with them to receive the preliminary report. I passed this information on to 25X1 CONF DEN1 1i ,.- Approved For Release 2006/01/03 : CIA-RDP77M00144R000600010021-5 Chief, Services Staff, DDQ5X1 Approved For Release 2006/01/03 : CIA-RDP77M00144R000600010021-5 Journal -- Office of Legislative Counsel Page 4 Friday - 30 May 1975 SECRET 12. In a series of conversations with Captain Neill and Bob Monahan regarding the request by the Senate Foreign e ations Committee for the classification of the 1960 testimony on the U-2 and the Summit Conference. It was apparent that a great deal more coordination and information was required by all concerned (State, CIA and DOD) and Monahan volunteered to take on the lead responsibility for this one, including clarifying with. Pat Holt, Senate Foreign Relations Committee staff, the misleading statements in the latter's letter to all agencies involved. 13. Spoke with Bill Hogan, House Armed Services Committee staff, and he agreed to discuss with Frank Slatinshek, Chief Counsel of the Committee, the Committee's responsibility for the 1947 executive session hearings on the CIA Act. If the response is favorable, then we will refer Tim Hardy, of, the Presidential Commission staff, to House Armed Services for a copy. Later, I advised Hardy of this possibility and that we hope to hear on it sometime next week., 14. Pat Hanson, temporarily in the office. of Senator Strom Thurmond (R. , S. Car. ), called. to arrange a briefing for approximately 25 college interns. The briefing was scheduled for 19 June and OTR, will handle. 15. Called Ed Braswell, Senate Armed. Services Committee staff, and alerted him to the upcoming article on explaining the thrust of the allegations and reviewing with him the real facts. M. 25X1 25X1 Called Charles Snodgrass, House Appropriations Committee staff, and alerted him to the upcoming article on explaining the thrust of the allegations and reviewing with him the real acts. 17. Bob McBrian, Treasury Department, called to obtain suggestions on how to handle requests for sensitive operational information by committees of Congress. I reviewed with him some of the options available and the guidelines we follow. Approved For Release 2006/01/03 : CIA-RDP77M00144R000600010021-5 JouAE ove6 crof aLse 1/03 CCIA RDP77M00144R000600010021-5 Thursday -- 29 May 1975 CONFIDENTIAL Page 2 4? Margo Carlisle, in the office of Senator James McClure (R., Idaho), called to request a briefing for the Senator alone on the status of the SALT negotiations. I told her we could provide a briefing on the Soviet strategic weapons but that: the status of the negotiations and the status of the violations. were out of our c.ha.rter; we are reporters of the facts and not interpreters of U. S. policy. On this basis, we scheduled a briefing by Mr. Duckett,. DDS&T, at 11:00, Monday 2 June, in room 460 Old Senate Office Building with the understanding that this would. be for background use for the Senator only and not for attribution and not for public use to the extent that it was classified. 5. ( Bill Skidmore, OMB, called and asked what the Agency's position was on S. 1, the codification of the cr imina.l laws, and the status of the Agency's proposal to protect intelligence sources and methods. I explained our position that section 1124 on. unauthorized disclosures in S. 1 does not adequately protect the Agency and that our proposal to protect intelligence sources and methods had been sent to OMB on 23 April 1975, I told him that as far as I knew, George Gilbert, also of OMB, was handling our proposal. Skidmore said he handles all criminal legislation and will be handling S. 1. called to mention that DOD would be testifying next week or the following wee on the Indian Ocean and he thought it would be useful if we compared notes on our respective positions on this subject. I told Fryklund I was sure this was a topic which Messrs. Colby and Schlesinger have discussed but I would talk with our people to see if they had any other thoughts about it. 7. Received a call from Ron. Tammen, of Senat:o.z..-' Proxmire's staff, regarding arrangements for Carl Duckett's briefing of the Proxmire Subcommittee of Senate Appropriations on the Soviet Soyuz program on 4 June. Tammen rf entioned the full Committee was being invited but. no. personal staff would be permitted to sit in. He said. there would be two member: of the Majority staff and two members of the Minority staff present (I will get the names of these individuals so their clearances can be checked). Tarnmen also said he would like to know the format of Duckett's presentation so they could be preparing questions for the members. He also asked if there was any possibility of sanitizing the transcript of the session. After checking with Duckett I told Tammen that the bulk of the significant information in the briefing is from sensitive sources and to try to sanitize the transcript would leave the record with erroneous impressions. Tammen said the Chairman will ask the question about on in any event and Duckett can respond to it at t:he t.i.n:te, Approved or Release 06/01/03: CIA-RDP77M001 000600010021-5 Approved For Release 2006/01/03 : CIA-RDP77M00144R000600010021-5 Journal .- Office of Legislative Counsel Thursday - 29 May 1975 CONFIDENTIAL Page 4 ? LLM) Spoke to Jim Oliver, OMB, and told him there might be a delay in departmental responses to the Agency's proposed unauthorized disclosure legislation because of a USIB meeting which may be scheduled soon to unite intelligence community forces. Oliver suggested that perhaps OMB's General Counsel and Justice might attend such a meeting, but I told him I really thought this was a meeting to get the intelligence community ducks in a row and that we could face other issues once this has been accomplished. Oliver said we should expect to soon receive from Jim Frey, OMB, a request for comments on S. 1 and would like us to pay particular attention to Section 1124 (Disclosing Classified Information) as it may impact on the need for our proposed legislation on intelligence sources and methods. 14. LLM) Richard Fryklund nnn T -gislative Affairs, called to advise that they are being asked to testify on Indian Ocean matters as they relate to Diego Garcia and in response to his query, I told him that we had already initiated briefings on this subject and I am sure that he will find out from his intelligence analysts that it is our view that the situation remains pretty much as last year as depicted in Mr. Colby's statements to the Congress with the exception. of the new storage facility on Berbera. This was viewed as a. significant 25X1 event by most of the members we briefed. 16. LLM) Dorothy Fosdick, Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, Senate Government Operations Committee staff, called. to request an update on the Soviet weapons by Carl Duckett, DDS&T, for tomorrow or Monday. Eventually, a session to begin at 10:00 a, m. on Monday was scheduled. CONFIDENTIAL Approved For Release 2006/01/03 : CIA-RDP77M00144R000600010021-5 Approved For Release 2006/01/03 : CIA-RDP77M00144R000600010021-5 Journal - Office of Legislative Counsel Wednesday - 28 May 1975 CONFIDENTIAC Page 2 LLM) Spoke to Brady Williamson, in the office of Senator Dick Clark (D. , Iowa), about the scheduled briefing of the Senator on South Africa. Williamson said this would be basic education for the Senator who has been given the chairmanship of the Africa Subcommittee of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Hearings before the Subcommittee are planned in late June to cover the countries of South Africa, Rhodesia, Mozambique and Angola. ADDI, has been alerted and he will identify the briefers. 6. LLM) Talked to Ms. Cooper, of the Subcommittee on Government Information and Privacy, House Government Operations Committee, who wanted a listing of the membership of the CIA oversight/ investigating committees, which was provided. 7. LLM) In response to his call the other day, called Admiral Mathews, in the office of Representative Bill Chappell (D. , Fla. ), but he said no further action was needed from the Agency as 8. LLM) Jack Sankster, in the office of Andrew Maguire (D. , N. J. ), called in connection with the 22 May invitation to the Director to appear at a conference on Spain to be held in the House Caucus Room on June 10, 1975. In response to my query, Sankster said much of the preliminary work had been handled by volunteers, and indeed as has been found out to be the case in other invitations, perhaps'no prior telephone invitation had been made as referred to in the letter. Sankster actually works for the Fund for New Priorities in America and is only in Mr. Maguire's office to support this conference. Other conferences he has worked on include one supported by Senator Hughes on Chile and one by Senator Abourezk on Indochina. When I said the title of the conference concentrated on foreign policy, which is out of the scope of the Director's and the Agency's charter, Sankster minimized that possibility and said it was just an informal discussion among a wide range of disciplines and that members of Congress are attending and they hope that representatives of State, Tensseeacademia, labor and others would be there. He also said that Senator uIls'ight and Colonel Edward King would be there. From his other statements, the conference appears to be whether any U. S. interests. are being served by U. S. agreements with Spain. There will be no fixed agenda or prepared statements, but the attendees at the conference, which runs all clay, will speak and listen as the spirit moves them. J y a Approved For Release 2006/01/03 : CIA-RDP77M00144R000600010021-5 Approved For Release 2006/01/03 : CIA-RDP77M00144R000600010021-5 Journal - Office of Legislative Counsel Wednesday -- 28 May 1975 Page 3 9 I I In follow-up of his query yesterday, I advised Richard Pere, Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, Senate Government Operations Committee, that our assessment of BACKFIRE production in the 1980's was based upon our assessment of order of battle objectives and production capabilities. Perle asked if this was a pretty firm assessment and I said it was a community one. This information 25X1 was obtained from CSR. 11. LLM) Called Ronald McMahan, Press Secretary, to Senator Howard Baker (R. , Tenn. ), to indicate our interest in debriefing the Senator from his recent visit to the Middle East. He said he would mention this to the Senator when he talks to him tonight, but the earliest date he could foresee would be the middle of next week. 12. BAA) In the absence of took a call from Colonel Ilarrick, ncerning the trans er of clearances for Charles Snodgrass, House Appropriations Committee staff. Harrick said DOD does not require that Snodgrass' clearances be transferred to them. They merely wanted to check to ascertain that Snodgrass holds the clearances. Harrick said as far as they are concerned, no further action is necessary. OS, has been notified, 25X1 13. BAA) Called Julie Marshall, in the office of Senator Dick Clark (D. , Iowa), to set up a day and time when the Senator could come out: to the Headquarters building for a briefing on South Africa. This is in connection with his request of 22 May 1975 when he met with the Director for breakfast. The breakfast/briefing %vas scheduled for Friday, 6 ;rune at 8:00 a. m. Approved For Release 2006/01/03 : CIA-RDP77M00144R000600010021-5 Approved For Release 2006/01/03 : CIA-RDP77M00144R000600010021-5 Journal -- Office of Legislative Counsel Page 2 Tuesday - 27 May 1975 K1 5. LLM) Herschel Clesner, Commerce, Consumer, and Monetary Affairs Subcommittee, House Government Operations Committee, called and said he was interested in a subscription to FBIS Daily, Reports from the standpoint of following international economic 25X1 matters, Based on the advice of FBIS, it was arranged that we would send one complete set of daily reports for Clesner's examination to sample the product. I informed Clesner of this and that he probably would conclude that the Western European book would be the most productive for him. 6. LLM) In the absence of Jim Oliver, OMB, spoke with Arnold Donahue to advise him that there may be a delay in departmental response to OMB clearance requested on the Agency's unauthorized disclosure legislation by Circular A-19 because of a possible USIB session on the legislation. Donahue had no problem but obviously does not want OMB to be tarred with the brush of delay to the extent that this slows up the coordination process. Donahue also gave OMB's thoughts on the paper on the joint committee on intelligence. 0 Approved For Release 4006/01/03 CIA-RDP77M00144R000600010021-5 1 yg !}j