JOURNAL - OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL

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• Document Creation Date: December 19, 2016
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• Publication Date: May 30, 1975
• Content Type: NOTES

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5. Talked with Joseph Connor regarding his
requests per Mr. Cary for information on, our informant system.. He
explained his interest was an outcome of an IRS case in Florida and it
was an effort by his organization to establish the legal basis and.
procedures for the use of informants. He indicated that he had had a
response from the FBI which was a general synopsis of their program.
Accordingly, he needed general information of other agencies such. as
the CIA for purposes of comparison. I explained a large portion of our
activities were abroad and would not be a good basis for comparison. Hex
mentioned that CIA might be involved in some activities in the U. S. which
might add to his base of information. I explained that any such activities
would give a very limited scope and would not be useful for his purposes.
Furthermore, the Senate Committee of Congress was looking into this
aspect and have very little to contribute. He appreciated my response and
said that now that he understood differences between CIA. and other agencies
in the U. S. he would have no need for information from us on this subject. 25X1
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GLC) At the Director's suggestion and after
I called Richard Fryklund,_ DOD f e x; s~ 1t i r A24 1_
Quite, and told him it any of the Defense analysts wanted to talk with our
counterparts on the subject of the Soviet presence in the Indian Ocean,
of OSR was the man they should contact. Fryklund said he would
'pass this on to Jim Noyes of ISA who is handling this for Defense.
8. GLC) Mrs. Freedman, in the office of Senator
Dewey Bartlett, called to say the Senator would like to take us up on our
invitation for a breakfast/briefing at the Agency. The Senator is interested
in getting background briefings on Soviet weapons programs and, as a newly
appointed member of the CIA Subcommittee, would like to get a background
briefing on the Agency in general. Mrs. Freedman said the Senator, would
not be available on 4, 5, 9, 10 or 11 June. I told her I would check the Director's
calendar and be back in touch.
9? IGLC) Called Fritz Schwarz, Counsel of the Senate
Select Committee, and told him we were having considerable difficulty in
correcting the transcripts of the Director's testimony before the Committee
to date particularly in view of numerous errors and garbles on the part of the
shorthand reporters. Schwarz said he was aware of these problems with the
transcripts and. said there was no great rush in getting the corrections in..
10. GLC) By way of follow up to his earlier inquiry,
I advised Hugh Wolff, Library of Congress, that Dr. Ed Proctor would be happy
to give an unclassified briefing on the Agency to Wolff and some of his associates
I told him Dr. Proctor is away at present and we will be in touch when he returns.
11. LC)
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called concerning the question of providing GAO auditors with certain classified
background papers of peripheral interest in their review of the liquidation of
Presumably theseppapers would be included in the GAO report ant
copies retained in GAO files.
I called Bill Hogan, House Armed Services Committee staff, who agreed
with my position that it would be best if GAO merely made reference to these
documents in their report and indicate that they can be made available directly t:o
Chairman Nedzi if he wishes to have access to them. Hogan also pointed. out that.
only the interim GAO report is due next week. He said this matter can be
covered further with GAO when he meets with them to receive the preliminary
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12. In a series of conversations with
Captain Neill and Bob Monahan regarding the
request by the Senate Foreign e ations Committee for the classification
of the 1960 testimony on the U-2 and the Summit Conference. It was
apparent that a great deal more coordination and information was
required by all concerned (State, CIA and DOD) and Monahan volunteered
to take on the lead responsibility for this one, including clarifying with.
Pat Holt, Senate Foreign Relations Committee staff, the misleading
statements in the latter's letter to all agencies involved.
13. Spoke with Bill Hogan, House Armed
Services Committee staff, and he agreed to discuss with Frank Slatinshek,
Chief Counsel of the Committee, the Committee's responsibility for
the 1947 executive session hearings on the CIA Act. If the response is
favorable, then we will refer Tim Hardy, of, the Presidential Commission
staff, to House Armed Services for a copy.
Later, I advised Hardy of this possibility and that we hope to hear
on it sometime next week.,
14. Pat Hanson, temporarily in the office.
of Senator Strom Thurmond (R. , S. Car. ), called. to arrange a briefing
for approximately 25 college interns. The briefing was scheduled for
19 June and OTR, will handle.
15. Called Ed Braswell, Senate Armed. Services
Committee staff, and alerted him to the upcoming article on
explaining the thrust of the allegations and reviewing
with him the real facts.
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Called Charles Snodgrass, House Appropriations
Committee staff, and alerted him to the upcoming article on
explaining the thrust of the allegations and reviewing
with him the real acts.
17. Bob McBrian, Treasury Department,
called to obtain suggestions on how to handle requests for sensitive
operational information by committees of Congress. I reviewed with him
some of the options available and the guidelines we follow.
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4? Margo Carlisle, in the office of
Senator James McClure (R., Idaho), called to request a briefing for
the Senator alone on the status of the SALT negotiations. I told her
we could provide a briefing on the Soviet strategic weapons but that:
the status of the negotiations and the status of the violations. were out
of our c.ha.rter; we are reporters of the facts and not interpreters of
U. S. policy. On this basis, we scheduled a briefing by Mr. Duckett,.
DDS&T, at 11:00, Monday 2 June, in room 460 Old Senate Office
Building with the understanding that this would. be for background use
for the Senator only and not for attribution and not for public use to the
extent that it was classified.
5. ( Bill Skidmore, OMB, called and asked
what the Agency's position was on S. 1, the codification of the cr imina.l
laws, and the status of the Agency's proposal to protect intelligence
sources and methods. I explained our position that section 1124 on.
unauthorized disclosures in S. 1 does not adequately protect the Agency
and that our proposal to protect intelligence sources and methods had
been sent to OMB on 23 April 1975, I told him that as far as I knew,
George Gilbert, also of OMB, was handling our proposal. Skidmore
said he handles all criminal legislation and will be handling S. 1.
called to mention that DOD would be testifying next week or the following wee
on the Indian Ocean and he thought it would be useful if we compared notes on
our respective positions on this subject. I told Fryklund I was sure this was
a topic which Messrs. Colby and Schlesinger have discussed but I would talk
with our people to see if they had any other thoughts about it.
7. Received a call from Ron. Tammen, of Senat:o.z..-'
Proxmire's staff, regarding arrangements for Carl Duckett's briefing of the
Proxmire Subcommittee of Senate Appropriations on the Soviet Soyuz program
on 4 June. Tammen rf entioned the full Committee was being invited but. no.
personal staff would be permitted to sit in. He said. there would be two member:
of the Majority staff and two members of the Minority staff present (I will get
the names of these individuals so their clearances can be checked). Tarnmen
also said he would like to know the format of Duckett's presentation so they
could be preparing questions for the members. He also asked if there was any
possibility of sanitizing the transcript of the session. After checking with
Duckett I told Tammen that the bulk of the significant information in the briefing
is from sensitive sources and to try to sanitize the transcript would leave the
record with erroneous impressions. Tammen said the Chairman will ask the
question about on in any event and Duckett can respond to it at t:he t.i.n:te,
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? LLM) Spoke to Jim Oliver, OMB, and
told him there might be a delay in departmental responses to the
Agency's proposed unauthorized disclosure legislation because of a USIB
meeting which may be scheduled soon to unite intelligence community
forces. Oliver suggested that perhaps OMB's General Counsel and
Justice might attend such a meeting, but I told him I really thought
this was a meeting to get the intelligence community ducks in a row
and that we could face other issues once this has been accomplished.
Oliver said we should expect to soon receive from Jim Frey,
OMB, a request for comments on S. 1 and would like us to pay particular
attention to Section 1124 (Disclosing Classified Information) as it may
impact on the need for our proposed legislation on intelligence sources
and methods.
14. LLM) Richard Fryklund nnn T -gislative
Affairs, called to advise that they are being asked to testify on Indian
Ocean matters as they relate to Diego Garcia and in response to his
query, I told him that we had already initiated briefings on this subject
and I am sure that he will find out from his intelligence analysts that
it is our view that the situation remains pretty much as last year as
depicted in Mr. Colby's statements to the Congress with the exception.
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event by most of the members we briefed.
16. LLM) Dorothy Fosdick, Permanent Subcommittee
on Investigations, Senate Government Operations Committee staff, called.
to request an update on the Soviet weapons by Carl Duckett, DDS&T, for
tomorrow or Monday. Eventually, a session to begin at 10:00 a, m. on
Monday was scheduled.
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LLM) Spoke to Brady Williamson, in the office
of Senator Dick Clark (D. , Iowa), about the scheduled briefing of the
Senator on South Africa. Williamson said this would be basic education
for the Senator who has been given the chairmanship of the Africa Subcommittee
of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Hearings before the Subcommittee
are planned in late June to cover the countries of South Africa, Rhodesia,
Mozambique and Angola. ADDI, has been alerted and he will
identify the briefers.
6.
LLM) Talked to Ms. Cooper, of the Subcommittee
on Government Information and Privacy, House Government Operations
Committee, who wanted a listing of the membership of the CIA oversight/
investigating committees, which was provided.
7. LLM) In response to his call the other day,
called Admiral Mathews, in the office of Representative Bill Chappell
(D. , Fla. ), but he said no further action was needed from the Agency as
8. LLM) Jack Sankster, in the office of Andrew
Maguire (D. , N. J. ), called in connection with the 22 May invitation to the
Director to appear at a conference on Spain to be held in the House Caucus
Room on June 10, 1975. In response to my query, Sankster said much of
the preliminary work had been handled by volunteers, and indeed as has been
found out to be the case in other invitations, perhaps'no prior telephone
invitation had been made as referred to in the letter. Sankster actually
works for the Fund for New Priorities in America and is only in Mr.
Maguire's office to support this conference. Other conferences he has
worked on include one supported by Senator Hughes on Chile and one by
Senator Abourezk on Indochina. When I said the title of the conference
concentrated on foreign policy, which is out of the scope of the Director's
and the Agency's charter, Sankster minimized that possibility and said it
was just an informal discussion among a wide range of disciplines and that
members of Congress are attending and they hope that representatives
of State, Tensseeacademia, labor and others would be there. He also said
that Senator uIls'ight and Colonel Edward King would be there. From his
other statements, the conference appears to be whether any U. S. interests.
are being served by U. S. agreements with Spain. There will be no fixed
agenda or prepared statements, but the attendees at the conference, which
runs all clay, will speak and listen as the spirit moves them.
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9 I I In follow-up of his query yesterday, I advised
Richard Pere, Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, Senate
Government Operations Committee, that our assessment of BACKFIRE
production in the 1980's was based upon our assessment of order of battle
objectives and production capabilities. Perle asked if this was a pretty
firm assessment and I said it was a community one. This information 25X1
was obtained from CSR.
11. LLM) Called Ronald McMahan, Press Secretary,
to Senator Howard Baker (R. , Tenn. ), to indicate our interest in debriefing
the Senator from his recent visit to the Middle East. He said he would
mention this to the Senator when he talks to him tonight, but the earliest
date he could foresee would be the middle of next week.
12. BAA) In the absence of took a
call from Colonel Ilarrick, ncerning the trans er of clearances
for Charles Snodgrass, House Appropriations Committee staff. Harrick
said DOD does not require that Snodgrass' clearances be transferred to
them. They merely wanted to check to ascertain that Snodgrass holds
the clearances. Harrick said as far as they are concerned, no further
action is necessary. OS, has been notified,
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13. BAA) Called Julie Marshall, in the office
of Senator Dick Clark (D. , Iowa), to set up a day and time when the Senator
could come out: to the Headquarters building for a briefing on South Africa.
This is in connection with his request of 22 May 1975 when he met with
the Director for breakfast. The breakfast/briefing %vas scheduled
for Friday, 6 ;rune at 8:00 a. m.
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5. LLM) Herschel Clesner, Commerce, Consumer,
and Monetary Affairs Subcommittee, House Government Operations
Committee, called and said he was interested in a subscription to FBIS
Daily, Reports from the standpoint of following international economic 25X1
matters, Based on the advice of FBIS, it was arranged that
we would send one complete set of daily reports for Clesner's examination
to sample the product. I informed Clesner of this and that he probably
would conclude that the Western European book would be the most productive
for him.
6. LLM) In the absence of Jim Oliver, OMB, spoke
with Arnold Donahue to advise him that there may be a delay in departmental
response to OMB clearance requested on the Agency's unauthorized disclosure
legislation by Circular A-19 because of a possible USIB session on the
legislation. Donahue had no problem but obviously does not want OMB to
be tarred with the brush of delay to the extent that this slows up the
coordination process.
Donahue also gave OMB's thoughts on the paper on the joint committee
on intelligence.
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