JOURNAL OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL

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• Document Creation Date: December 15, 2016
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• Publication Date: December 20, 1974
• Content Type: NOTES

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Friday - 20 December 1974
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1. - GLC) Bob Waltheus, in the office of Max
Friedersdorf, White House staff, called to advise me that the President
was not going to sign any legislation until next week. He is expecting
to sign the Foreign Assistance Authorization bill at that time. Waltheus
said if there was any change in this he would let me know.
2. - GLC) Called Frank Slatinshek, Chief Counsel,
House Armed Services Committee, who called my attention to an interesting
statement (obviously an error) in the statement on the part of the managers of the
conference on the Foreign Assistance Act amendment dealing with "limiting
intelligence activities. " The second sentence in the second paragraph of
that statement states "the basic differences were that the House section
prohibited the use of Foreign Assistance Act funds only, applied to the CIA
but not to other Government agencies, and specifically required that the
reports be transmitted to the Foreign Affairs and the Foreign Relations
Committees, among the committees with relevant jurisdiction. " We both
agreed that since the language of section 32 of the bill was clear in its
applicability to the Foreign Assistance Act or any other act, that language
was controlling. I mentioned the conference report language only because
it might be useful at some time in the future in arguments over the scope
of the section intended by the conferees. We also agreed that in this
connection Chairman Lucien Nedzi's (D., Mich. ) statement during the
debate on the floor on this provision was even more useful. Nedzi extracted
a statement from Chairman Thomas Morgan (D., Pa.) that it was the
intent of this section to restate the agreement which Secretary Kissinger
and Mr. Colby reached with the leadership of the House Armed Services
and House Foreign Affairs Committees to brief appropriate representatives
of those committees on activities conducted abroad by the Agency (exclusive
of those involved in intelligence collection) related to foreign policy.
3, I I- GLC) Late in the afternoon I met with Senator
Stuart Symington u. , o. ) and also with Guy McConnell, Professional
Staff Member, Senate Appropriations Committee, and Ralph Preston,
Senior Staff Member, House Appropriations Committee, to brief them
on information we had received to the effect that Seymour Hersh planned
to write a lengthy article in Sunday's New York Times on alleged CIA.
activities against American citizens during the anti-Vietnam war period.
(See Memorandum for Record for details.)
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4. JGO) Met with Frank Sullivan, Senate Armed
Services C , delivered to him the maps he requested yesterday
for use by Senator Sam Nunn (D. , Ga.) in his trip to the Far East.
5. I I JGO) Received a call from Jay Sourwine, Chief Counsel,
Subcommittee on n ernal Security, Senate Judiciary Committee, who told
me that the Subcommittee would be interested, when available, in meeting
but that his knowledge of matters in the states were limited. I told him
I would check the matter and be back in touch with him late next week.
6.
1 - FMC) Received a call from the Legislative
Reference Division, OMB, and was advised that the Enrolled Bill on
S. 3418, the privacy bill, was ready for pick up by an Agency courier for
our comments. Arrangements were made with the couriers for the bill
to be picked up.
Arrangements were also made to have the Agency comments
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7. JGO Talked to Bill Skidmore, OMB concernin
the Directors en orsement of
Skidmore told me the information contained in the letter was more than
adequate and there would be no problem as far as signing of the bill by the
President. has been advised.
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Ashworth, Senate Foreign Relations Committee staff, the interview with
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These were in follow up from our briefing of Senator
Charles H. Percy (R. , Ill. ) and Ashworth and Charles F. Meissner, Senate
Foreign Relations Committee staff, from Wednesday, 18 December.
9. 1 1 JGO) Delivered to the offices of Representatives
William G. Bray (R., Ind.) and William E. Minshall (R., Ohio) personal
letters from the Director on their defeat and retirement from the Congress.
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25X1 10. and JGO) I met later with Representative William G.
Bray (R., Ind.) briefed him on Soviet steel armor plate for armored
vehicles; the Iraqi conflict and the Arab/Israeli conflict. These were all
questions raised by him during the last meeting of the Intelligence
Subcommittee, House Armed Services Committee. This completes the
follow ups with Representative Bray.
11. JGO) Talked to Art Kuhl, Chief Clerk, Senate Foreign
Relations Committee, concerning the questions raised by Senator Hubert H.
Humphrey (D., Minn.) during Ambassador Carlucci's recent meeting
gave Kuhl the current number of
Kuhl indicated that he thought this
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would be more than an adequate response to Senator Humphrey along with
such information as is provided by the Department. If there is anything
further, he will advise.
12. JGO) In the absence of Representative Robert E.
Bauman (R. , Md.) and his principal assistant, I delivered to his office
Mr. Cary's letter of 20 December 1974 concerning and
asked if there were any questions on the letter to contact me.
13. JGO) Met with Darrell St. Claire, Assistant
Secretary, i r ice cretary of the Senate, and received from him
a copy of an Enrolled Bill. I thanked St. Claire for his assistance.
14. GLC) In a chance meeting, Ed Kenney, Senate
Armed Services Committee staff, advised he vw uld be accompanying Senators
Thurmond and William Scott on a visit to the Far East leaving the day after
Christmas. Kenney said he had talked with Clark McFadden and would like
to have a briefing from some of our people on the situation in the Far East.
He said he understood from McFadden that our people in the field were real
pros and I gather from this that Thurmond and Scott might want to see our
station chiefs along the way. We will arrange for someone to see Kenney
on Monday.
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15. - LLM) During the day, had a couple
of conversations with Jim Oliver, OMB, the main point of which con-
cerned the difference between the conference report language and that
of the bill with the former restricting the application of the intelligence
activities limitation provision to those funded under the Foreign Assistance
Act, I maintained with Oliver that whille, the language of the bill governs
the conference language could be used to give a strained interpretation to
the bill but doubted that any use could be made of it. in the present
circumstances. I told Oliver we are handicapped since we are working
without benefit of the Enrolled Bill.
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suggestion, Jack Brady, both'of House Foreign Affairs Committee staff,
both of whom wanted to duck the meaning of the conference report language
on S. 3394, that section 32 (intelligence activities) applied only to activities
funded under the Foreign Assistance Act. Brady suggested Marian Czarnecki,
Chief of Staff, House Foreign Affairs Committee, be consulted but at this
point, I turned the matter over to Mr. Cary for discussion with Frank
Slatinshek, Chief Counsel, House Armed Services Committee, in view of
the question of germaneness initially raised with him and Chairman Lucien
Nedzi, Special Subcommittee on Intelligence, House Armed Services Committee.
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17.1 I- LLM) In connection with trying to track
down the Enr.ea 51111 on . 3394, had unproductive conversations with
Bill Esponisa, OGC/AID, and Jim Oliver, OMB.
18. LLM) John Anderson, GAO, called to advise
that he was sending a letter to the Director in connection with a request
for Senator Charles Percy (R. , Ill. ). I again urged that he make the
point clear that the Agency was not refusing the information to Senator
Percy but rather was conforming to congressional guidelines which did
not include GAO in the picture. Interestingly, Anderson said he needed
the letter even though their legal advisors in GAO had, in an informal
opinion, held that the Agency was on sound grounds in withholding the
information from GAO. I again told Anderson that I had hoped we could
avoid a letter and perhaps Guy McConnell, Professional Staff Member,
Senate Appropriations Committee, if not Chairman John Stennis, Senate
Armed Services Committee, or Chairman John McClellan, Senate Appropriations
Committee, themselves, I. am sure would be willing to confirm the guidelines
which is the issue at stake, but Anderson persisted that they needed a
letter to close out their records. I also reminded him that we had sent
him the Director's statement on H. R. 15845 which confirmed the guidelines
in an effort to headoff unnecessary exchange of correspondence.
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19. LLM) Tom Reckford, Murphy Commission,
called to discuss the ramifications of section 32 of S. 3394 (intelligence
activities). I discussed some of the issues involved.
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