I REGRET THAT MY MANAGEMENT DECISIONS HAVE BECOME A SOURCE OF CONCERN TO YOU.

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• Document Creation Date: December 23, 2016
• Document Release Date: January 16, 2014
• Sequence Number: 29
• Publication Date: October 22, 1964
• Content Type: LETTER

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EYES ONLY TO CARROLL
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Dear General Carroll:
I regret that my management decisions have become a
source of concern to you. However I am appreciative of your
interest and willingness to discuss the matter.
I have most carefully considered your letter of 6 October
1964, and reviewed its elements against my past, present and
future management policies. If I understand you correctly
DOD is quite satisfied with past and present support received
but believes that current management procedures mitigate
against receiving like support in the future. Specifically
your concern appears to relate to a so-called invo1unt4ty
rotation of CIA personnel.
I would like to briefly review the facts related to
this matter, and suggest that there/might be some alternative
which will resolve both our concerns.
The Management decision was not made on the apt,-of-the
monent? but was actually implimentation of plan in solution
of what had always been recognized as a problem area. Under
the terms of liscip-8 EPIC does not exercise Administrative
control over the personnel. This procludes authority to act
in solution of such matter as career planning including
training and job evaluations.
The number of CIA personnel furnished to PAG are a small
part of the total number assigned to EPIC. (Less than
- DOD furnishes 4706- to NPIC) And it is cooperative spiritSTAT
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and cohesive force of this total group which accounts for NPICIs
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Experience has demonstrated that I cannot completely
isolate a fixed group of CIA PI's from their Administrative
side particularly when that side is dynamically responsive
to their individual career planning needs.
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NPIC has grown to its present position through what
amounts to a continious series of compromise actions, and
I am quite prepared to seek any solution deemed by you to
be mutually satisfactory.
I am pleased, General Carroll, that you have been more
than satisfied with NPIC performance to date and have valued
its PI judgement so highly. I am also very pleased indeed
to note your personal assurances
that NPIC will receive only
the best DOD personnel since on past occasions we have hesitated
to request changes due to what was believed to be recognition
of DOD problems.
In conclusion may I say that I personally regret that my
management decision was a source of concern to you. However,
as I have said before, I am most appreciative of your personal
interest and willingness to work for the planned future goals
of even greater achievements.
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past and present performance. This is a most critical point
since the career planning for these CIA personnel has had to
be carried out within the framework of CIA Administrative
policies. PI's as you know, have not been a readily available
commodity for CIA but must be recruited from civilian Universities
and Colleges and trained. Since this training had to be
accomplished within the CIA framework it was necessary to
implement some form of exchange with the NPIC. An intensive
program has produced results, but it has necessary for me also
to religate Departmental concerns to a secondary role.
It was this form of exchange that first occurred in May,
and represented not CIA's desires but a compromise achieved
at the working level and approved by myself. The two year
proposal, with its four areas of consideration, came about in
an attempt to meet DOD desires without seriously affecting the
morale of CIA personnel. While I as Director of )(PIC have a
very deep concern for the career planning of NPIC I can only
effectively deal with the majority working force from CIA.
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22 October 1964
Dear General Carroll:
I shall come right to the heart of this matter of rotation which you
have raised with me quite forcefully in your letter of 16 October and
list for you first off the factors which I considered in deciding on
this policy:
1. NPIC is totally dependentl(or its PI strength,
upon inputs of photo interpreters from CIA and DIA.
2. The Director, NPIC, has only functional, not
administrative respnsibility, for these individuals.
3. Howeimillqa has access to dozens and indeed hundreds
of trained photo interpreters, CIA has on hand today at its
optimum strength;only
4. CIA is totally dependent on recruiting from universities,
corporations, and the market place in order to bring an duty
personnel, not trained in PI work, but capable of being trained.
S. Only trained personnel can train untrained personnel and
such training is the responsibility of the parent organization
involved.
6. The parent CIA Photographic Intelligence Division must
possess the capability, not only to train new personnel for the
national effort, but to afford CIA some reasonable competence
in the fulfillment of that Agency's departmental requirements.
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7. It is CIA policy prescribed by the Director of Centeral
Intelligence to plan for and provide long term career development
and training for its personnel, similar in some respects to the much
more deeply rooted systems which the military services have for their
office cadres.
With the above factors clearly in mind I wrestled long and hard with
the problem of establishing a program which would provide the national
center with highly trained and competent personnel, not just today, but
over the long hil, keeping a flexible and proficient training base from which
new PI's eawbe sent into the national center and at the same time providing
CIA with at least a minimum force of PI's capable of meeting that Agency's
most urgent departmental requirements. The simple fact of the matter is there
are not today a sufficient number of highly trained CIA PI's to go around.
Were ymmxto take all of CIA's highly trained and specialized PI's and
place them permanently in the national organization I wouldrdestroyei
the Agency's training base from which I must draw 1/2 of my future PI's
for years to come and secondarily seriously cripple, if not emasculate',
the limited departmental capability which the Agency possesses. From the
long-term standpoint were I to =amp adopt such a policy I could at the
best be called short-sighted and at the worst grossly negligent in
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providing for the future. Now I know that my senior people ple have
met with representatives from your office and have discussed this situation
in detail and I had hoped that Iki your people would see that the situations
afiecting the two parent organizations, DIA and CIA, were materially
different and that therefore a uniform policy between the two was not
automatically necessary, or even desirable. Further I had hoped that
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xaft* would make some allowance for the many problems confronting me in this
area including those problems of running a bipartite organization where
full administrative control over the resources is lacking./ Of course, sir,
respect your opinions and judgments in this matter and have known that your
over-riding interest was the preservation and enhancement of the national
PI capability. I am deeply troubled, however, that you felt that I would
either deliberately/ or through lack of understanding of the consequences
adopt a policy leading to the dimunition of the role or deterioration of
the capability of the national center. I have continually striven by
every means at my disposal to enhance the qualitative and quantitative
production capabilities of this organization, not because I run it, but
because I believe so completely in the objective contributions it can make
to the overall intelligence effort.
I an glad to have the opportunity to discuss this situation with you and
hopefully to explore with you for a few moments those areas of interest
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which you may have concerning future activities of the Center. I would
be pleased to set a schedule with i you whereby I could report at what-
ever intervals you deem advisable and update you an the many facets of this
operation.
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19 Octdber 1964
REMARKS TO GENERAL CARROLL
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1. General, to be completely honest with the, I was very surprised
to read the contents of your memo concerning rotation of CIA personnel
into NPIC but by the same token, I as glad to have the opportunity to
talk with you about this problem and to update you on this and any other
administrative or management problems confronted& the Center that you
night be interested in. Possibly, I should have done more in the past
to keep you up to date on the operations of the Center but with the
terribly busy schedule that I now have I have been somewhat reluctant
to consume your time with these sorts of items. Let me say right now,
however, I would be very pleased to set a schedule with you whereby I
could report every month or quarterly or at what ever intervals you feel
worthwhile.
2. Now as to the particular problem at hand. I would like to report
to you as a co-chairman of the Board of Directors of this operation and
if you will accept me as your PI advisor to explain to you my philosophy
of how the PI portion of this Center should be managed at least as it
concerns the handling end training of personnel-- Rotation in my book
is not an evil but a desirable means to Man end; namely, continually
providing trainediqualified , experienced PI's to the business, more
caning with a variety of backgrounds and experience and changing at such
reasonable intervals as to keep up their enthusiasm and cause them to
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constantly be on the search for new ideas, new methods and capable of
making continuing critical assessments of the operations. The last thing
in the world I want is a large cadre of PI's who are going to set in that
Center for ten, fifteen or even longer years until their minds and attitudes
have stagnated alhi and they go through their daily performance in a hum-
drum semi-automatic fashion. Working in different PI elements in Washington
and in the field tonfronted with different situationstin working on
different parts of the allover photographic exploitation process Af/A over
p period of time gives a man a breadth and diversity of experience which
he simply cannot pick up sitting in one place no matter how active or
important the work may be in that one place. Experiences gained in
departmental and indeed, field installations can be real assets to our
operations and I welcome just as enthusiastically the rotation of the
military officers in the DIA contingent as I support a rotation of CIA
personnel in the CIA contingent.
3. Now I do not deny for a moment that we currently have some
temporary problems in having CIA supply its SO per cent share of trained
PI's to the National Center. This was to be expected and certainly came
as no supprise to us. CIA, had no trained cadre of hundreds of PI's
waiting to be snapped up and put into NPIC. when you found DIA and took
over the PI holdings of the military services you were able to take
command of reasonably large parties of PI's none of whom were trained to
a greater or lesser extent. CIA has had to go out into the market place,
out into the universities and corporations, hire people and then place them
and train them.
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This as you know is a long and time-consuming process but we are
whipping it. BO the end of FY 65, CIA should have sufficient PI's in-
house to staff both the national and departmental needs. Further, it
will be in a position to keep current with the limited attrition we
expect. Therefore, we should be able in a relatively short period of
time to have a total cadre of trained PI's to use in both areas. When this
happens, I believe the so-called problems of rotation which I gather
from your people 300 today tned to disappear.
4. For ten to fifteen years I have had division of the national PI
center such as the one we are operating today and I know you will believe
me when I tell you I would not take any action which would in any way tend to
materially diminish or compromist its effectiveness but as you must look at
the buildings of long term assessments for DIA so I must try to take a
long-range view of the management problems of the Center and in my
judgement rotation of PI personnel is a desirable method of securing for
the Center over the long-run of best qualified PI's.
S. You have been kind enough to commend us on many occasions for the
work which we have done for you and the community as a whole and we are
deeply appreciative of your praise and again assurei you would do nothing
to cast the organization in any different light in your eyes. If in
our management judgment we must occasionally step back one pace to go
forward throe that is a decision which we have to make, but so long as we
are all operating in good faith and you and Nr. MtCone and the community
can find no fault with our products, I submit that you and the DCI should
not have to be concerned with the internal management problems of the
Center.
6. I will be glad to go on with the problem in any amount of detail
you wish and indeed if you are now or remain after we have talked about it
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more still unconvinced that some form of rotation will accrue a net
advantage for the Center, then I am also willing to set down and work
out some ultimate arrangement of management which you feel will be better
but Af you are seeking my advice now on the rotation problem, I say to
you that I support it and advocate it of a continuing method of operation.
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