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• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP78S02149R000200300009-7
• Release Decision: RIPPUB
• Original Classification: S
• Document Page Count: 2
• Document Creation Date: December 9, 2016
• Document Release Date: April 4, 2001
• Sequence Number: 9
• Publication Date: February 9, 1967
• Content Type: CABLE

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DATE: 9 February 1967 O FILE IN CS FILE NO.
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1. FOLLOWING COMM4NTS REPRESENT REACTION TO MACV PROPOSALS
OUTLINED IN REFERENCE.
2. WOULD LIKE FIRST EXPRESS HOPE CONFERENCE GIVING CONSIDERATION
DETERMINING COMPOSIT"'ON OF KIA POPULATION, THAT IS, DISTRIBUTION AMONG
CIVILIANS, IREEGULARS, VC AND NVA MAIN FORCES, SUPPORT TROOPS) RATHER
THAN MERELY MANIPULATING KIA STATISTICAL DATA.
3. MACV KIA/WIA RATIO OF 1 TO 1.44 CLOSE TO 1 TO 1.5 RATIO
INDEPENDENTLY DERIVED BY SUGGEST CONFERENCE ROUND RATIO TO
1 TO 1.5 FOR BOTH ARITHMETIC SIMPLICITY AND TO REFLECT MORE REALISTI-
CALLY THE TRUE DEGREE OF CONFIDENCE IN THE PRECISION OF THESE RATIOS.
4. ESTIMATED MACV ATTRITION FACTOR CONCEPTUALLY SIMILAR
SERIOUSLY WOUNDED RATIO. = SERIOUSLY WOUNDED INCLUDES THOSE
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DY]G,OF WOUNDS ~ND PERMANENTLY DISABLED AS IN MACV RATIO BUT
ALSOTCLTTDES WOUNDED REQUIRING CONSIDERABLE RECOVERY TIME BEFORE
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(DATE AND TIME
EVERY HOI CHANH RALLIER.
PERCENT ENEMY OB ON DUTY WITH UNIT CONSISTENT
WITH THINKING ON SUBJECT ALTHOUGH WE HAVE MADE NO FORMAL
ANALYSIS OF SUBJECT.
6. DISAGREE MACV POSITION ON DESERTERS OTHER THAN HOI CHANH.
EVIDENCE INDICATES THAT WHILE VC DO NOT HAVE CONSIDERABLE DESERTION
PROBLEMS ENOUGH LOCAL COMMUNIST TROOPS GO OVER THE HILL WITHOUT
REPORTING TO HOI CHANH CENTERS TO WARRANT CONSIDERATION.. WE SUGGEST
MAINTAIN RATIO OF AT LEAST ONE UNKNOWN VC/IRREGULAR DESERTER FOR
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SERIOUSLY WOUNDED RATIO OF 1 to .54-.83 LARGER THAN MACV KIA TO
ATTRITION RATIO OF 1 to .35.
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*COMMENTS REQUESTED ON MACV PROPOSALS RE WIA TO KIA RATIO AND PERMANENT
DISABILITY AND DEATH FROM WOUNDS.
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