OPINION REQUEST- STANDARDS AND STANDARDIZATION (S&T BILATERAL)

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Dr. Richard W. Roberts
Director, U.S. National Bureau of Standards
Washington, D. C. 20234
7: would like to express my appreciation for your remarks on the
proposal of the Terms of Reference for the Working Group and detailed
curriculum vitae of your colleagues.
We will forward a new version of the Terms of Reference for the
Working Group in the immediate future.
I would like to bring my apologies to you for the delay in answering;
your letter and would like to give to you our comments concerning the
proposed Working Plan, as well as the names of individuals responsible
for the implementation of the Plan (Attachment).
All of the coordinators proposed to you are among the oldest workers
of the USSR Gosstandart system and have made substantial contributions
to the development of metrology and standardization in our country.
:z would like to let you know at this time that Dr. Tech transmitted a
proposal of a possible visit to the Soviet Union of Mr. R. Trowbridge,
Mr. D. L. Peyton, and Mr. F. Lague prior to the scheduled meeting of
our Working Group for the purpose of discussing topics for. cooperation
in the field of standardization.
We will be pleased to discuss all new proposals at a time convenient
for Mr. R. Trowbridge, Mr. D. L. Peyton, and Mr. F. LaQue.
Thank you once again for your letter.
With best ,,rishes.
Sincerely yours,
V. Boytsov, Chairman
Moscow, 11-1-49, Lenin PR. 9
State. Cox,mittee on Standards
of the Council of Ministers of the USSR
Telephone [phone]
Telegram: Moscow, Gosstandart
#32--35/896
Dated April 4, 1974
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remarks on the Working Tian for Scientific and Technical Coop e~ratioz:
in the Area of Metrology and Standardization.
Part- I
Topic 1. Intercomparison of mass standards.
Gosatandar.t agrees with the NIBS proposal to undertake this work within
the framework of the International Bureau of. Weights and Measures
(BIPH) .
Topic 2. Intercomparison of length standards.
Gosstandart agrees with the NBS proposal, to undertake this work within
the framework of the International Bureau of Weights and "Ieasures
(BIPT.4) .
Topic 3. Intercomparison of pressure standards.
Gosstandart agrees with the NIBS proposal for bilateral exchange of
pressure measurement devices and for its part would think it desirable
to start with comparisrn of piston gauges (working standards) with the
range of (6 - 600) 10 Pa. Gosstandart can furnish for
intercomparison the following piston gauges: 1-21-60, MP-600, ;IJ?--2500,
and '1111-6000.
We do not intend to furnish sets of weights for the gauges.
Gosstandart is ready to receive for intercomparison in the fourth
quarter of 1974 ---- first quarter of 1975 corresponding NIBS equipment
for pressure measurements with the above-mentioned range, under the
condition that the American side furnish in advance concrete data on
its equipment (coupling sizes, etc.).
USSR Gosstandart would like to propose that it send its equipment to
NUS for intercoriparison in the fourth quarter of 1975 -- first quarter
of 1976. The responsibility for implementation of. Topic 3 rests with.
V dII U, 1xendeleyev on the TJSSR side. Responsible scientist: Candidate
of Technical Sciences: I. V. Plotnikov.
Topic 4. Intercomparison of transportable volt standards.
Gosstandart agrees to accept from NBS for intercomparison in the
fourth quarter of 1974 -- first quarter of 1975 -- four transportable
standards (normal elements) in a thermostatic enclosure under the
condition that NBS furnish ahead of time description of the
transportable standards, specifications on their use in
intercomparisons and data on the method of calibration used at NBS.
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Gosstandart is iii turn ready to forward to UBS in the fourth quarter
of 1975 --- first quarter of 1976 --- four thermostatically enclosed
normal elements for intercomparison.
Responsibility for the implementation.of Topic 4 has been given to ViII,11MM,
Mendeleyev on the USSR side. Responsible scientist: G. I. Galakhoya.
ToL)ic: 5. Intercomparison of standards for ionizing radiation.
Gosstandart agrees with NBS proposals on the necessity for the meeting
of specialists from both sides to discuss the prograin of
intercomparison of standards in ionizing radiation. Taking account of
the US interest in the measurement of absorbed radiation doses,
Gosstandart is ready to undertake intercomparison of standards of
absorbed -radiation doses and the first to be the measurement of
absorbed dose of bremsstrahlung with photon energies up to 50 MeV. In
addition, Gosstandart is interested in making intercomparisons of
standards of units of nuclide activity.
In order to discuss cooperative programs on the above mentioned and
other topics, Gosstandart could send to PTBS two specialists in the
fourth quarter of 1974 - first quarter of 1975.
Responsibility for the implementation of Topic 5 has been given to
VNIIM, Nendeleyev on the USSR side. Responsible scientist: Candidate
of Technical Sciences V. I. Pomin.
Tonic 6. Intercomparison of laser wavelengths.
Gosstandart is ready to receive at any time an NBS specialist to
discuss a program of cooperative activity in the development of iodine
stabilized lasers.
Responsibility for the implementation of Topic 6 has been given to WT-II;`N,
Mendeleyev on the USSR side. Responsibility scientist: Professor
G. M. Malyshev.
Topic 7. Intercomparison of thermocouples.
Gosstandart agrees with the NBS proposal for manufacture from the same
material and subsequent exchange of thermocouples for intercomparison.
Tentative target for exchange of thermocouples with the required
documentation: fourth quarter of 1974 -- first quarter of 1975.
Responsibility for the implementation of Topic 7 has been given to VNIItt'.,
M.endeleyev on the USSR side. Responsible scientist: B. I3. O1eyni_k.
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It is proposed that each side provide a number of specially selected
and certified for stability, thermocouples manufactured. from
the oelectrode material Pf 30 (Pt - 70%, Rh -- 30,%) and PR 30 (Pt -
94%, Rh - 6%).
The diameter of the thermoelectrode wire should he 0.5 mm, the length
1500 ram, Insulating sheath is made of aluminum oxide (A1203 >
99.5%).
Diameter of insulating sheath 4-5 mm, channel diameter not less
0.8 rug. The length of the sheath not less than 500 rim.
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Cosstandart, USSR, proposes that the work proceed in the following
sequence:
7.1. A number of the thermocouples will be fully calibrated in
the range of temperatures 300-1800?C. Calibration can be made by the
reference point method and by the intercomparison method. It is
desirable to also estimate the inhomogeneity of. the thermocouples.
7.2. It is undesirable that the thermocouples selected for
shipment be subjected tolong exposures to heat. However, in order to
have confidence in the ascribed calibration values, calibration of
these thermocouples must be made at the reference points such as
points of zinc, tin, gold, palladium, platinum.
7.3. The thermocouples (preferable five in number) are shipped
for intercomp.arison to the laboratory of the other side with the
:following data:
a. Composition of thermoelectrodes
b. data on annealing of thermoelectrodes and thermocouples
c. calibrated values of thermocouples at reference points
d. information on the purity of metals used for the reference points
c. data on the depth of immersion of thermocouples in the oven.
7.4. The laboratory of the other party will work for the most
part (full. calibration in the range of 300-1800?C) with two of the
exchanged therr_.ocouples. The other thermocouples will be held in
reserve. If the calibration is done with different methods, different
thermocouples can be used with different methods.
7.5. 'Returned thermocouples should be accompanied by documents
containing the following; data:
a. calibrated values of thermocouples. Here the thermo-
electric force must be given at the reference points.
b. inforination on the duration of exposure of thermocouples
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to the calibrate'ng telperatures.
c. data on the death of_ _i_w ersion of thermocouples in the oven
and on the temperature gradients in the ovens.
d. purity of Metals, used for the reference points
e. brief description of electrical measuring equipment used
f. any other information that could affect the results or precision
of calibration of thermocouples and a brief analysis of the results obtained.
7.6. Upon return, the thermocouples undergo a second calibration
in their o;art laboratory and the data obtained, together with a short
analysis, are sent to the other party.
The work also will include exchange of specifications and scientific
and technical documentation concerning the properties of
thermoelectrode materials, construction of thermocouples and of the
ovens used in the calibration of thermocouples.
Topic 8. Intercostparison of standard thermoelectric voltage
converters.
Gosstandart, USSR, agrees with the B'S, USA, proposal to conduct
:intercomparison of thermoelectric voltage converters (up to 1 1411z)
w.,wi thin the framework. of BIP?? where this work is being carried 'out by
USSR, Japan, Great Britain, and USA.
Responsibility for the implementation of Topic 3 has been given to
V NIIPi., Mendeleyev on the USSR side. Responsible scientist:
Professor T. B. Rozhdestvensl a.
Topic 9. Refinement of physical constants.
Cosstandart, USSR, agrees with the USA/NBS, proposal on the
desirability of discussing in the course of exchange, questions
associated with the planning of experiments and the conducting of
analysis of the results of determination. of some physical constants
and could send its specialists to NBS in the fourth quarter of 1974
first quarter of 1975 --- for this purpose.
Concerning the questions proposed for discussion at a meeting of
specialists, Cosstandart feels that:
It is important for us to refine a number of constants associated with
the reproduction of the Absolute Volt. Among these constants are the
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Rydberg constant, fine structure constant, Avogadro number and the
ratio of the rest mass of the proton to the rest mass of the electron.
It appears that the Rydberg constant, known with an error of a few
parts in 10 , does not, at the present time, limit the accuracy of the
volt. This must be particularly emphasized in view of the work being
done in a number of laboratories on the refinement of this constant by
using lasers,
As far as Avogadro's number is concerned, in spite of its importance,
Gosstandart is not yet ready to measure its value and does not intend
to start the work before 1976.
At the present time Gosstandart would like to propose cooperation in
the determination of the fine structure constant and the ratio of
proton. to. electron masses and to start this work in the fourth quarter
.of 1974.
Concerning cooperation on the agreement for values of physical
constants, Gosstandart has a number of remarks concerning 'the choice.
and evaluation of data based on the material obtained by Cohen and
Taylor in 1973.
We will present the results of our work on the reconciling the
differences at CODATA in mid-1975 and hope that a comparison of our
results with the results of Cohen and Taylor will be of use.
Responsibility for the implementation of Topic 9'has been given to
VMTIIM, Mendeleyev on.the USSR side. Responsible scientist: Candidate
of Technical Sciences, K. A. Krasnov.
Topic 10. Exchange of standard reference materials.
Gosstandart, USSR, finds it impossible to start in 1974 cooperation
with NUS on the development of stardard reference materials for
clinical measurements and environmental protection.
Part IV
Topic 1. Automated information and control systems in the area of
standardization, and Topic 2(a). Use of computers for the
contro:L of the process of standardization.
Responsible scientist for this topic is V. 1. Romanov, Head of GIVTS.
Topic 2(b). Use of computers in the development of standards and
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Responsible scientists for this topic are: scientific staff member of
CIVTS, V. N. Shurupov, and staff member of VNIIt?IS, Candidate of
Technical .Sciences, S. S. Gusev.
Topic 2 (c) . rise of computers and automation in pVlanninn and
industrial processes.
Responsible scientist is Yu. Shirokiv, staff member of \T23IP4AS T.
Part V Cooperation in the area of standard reference data.
Gosstandart, USSR, would like to propose the cooperation begin in 3.974
on "Determination, refinement and correlation of values of
thermophysical properties of the most important substances as well as
of the most important chemical kinetic data."
Responsibility for the implementation of work in Part V has been given
to VNIIMS. Responsible scientist: Candidate of Technical Sciences,
S. S. Cusev.
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