DR. ISRAEL'S VISIT TO WASHINGTON, D.C. ON JULY 3, 1973

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• Publication Date: July 5, 1973
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July 5, 1973
ram Wilmot iI. Mess, Director "`~ ~? ""~~
Environmental Research Laboratories
,ubjoct: Dr. Israel's Visit to Washington, D. C. on July 3, 1973
The U.S. working group on the Influence of I.;i-vironmcntal Chan es in
Climate met with I)r. Israel, i), puty Director of tile ily rome.teorological
ervice of the USSR an- d Dr.~ i..iraidonov of the Central Office of the
Hydrometeor.ological Service in .,oscow. This did not constitute a
formal meeting of this U.S.-U.S.S.R. working group but rather an in-
formal attempt to got this working group started. Dr. Israel had spent
July 2 at CEQ with the Chairman of the other U.S. working groups to
hear how the other groups were progressing. I think it is only our
group that has not had some fori',ia1 activi tics to (late.
We sgreocl with, Dr. 7.sa' itil that. wu woii ld hold a prop nrat o y nioet:ing of
this worklug E roul) i(1 Washti~;',ttin, O.C. on Aiij,,u!;t: 27-11. At this time,
Dr. for.liienkov, the new Director 01, the ',kLia ( o, hyt;i.cal. Ob ;ervatory
in Leningrad and his colleague, 1)r. Sazanov, will be. in the United
States. It is our understanding that pr. Budyko is still the Soviet
Chairman of their delegation, but apparently he is unable to come to
the U.S. now. We will plan with Dr. Borisenkov for a formal meeting
of the U.S.-U.S.S.R. working group probably to be held in Leningrad
later this year.
We had short presentations by the Chairmen of the five U.S. sub-groups
on their separate topics. 1)r. Joe Il.t.t:cht.) of ';poke of the Polar
Prograii~ and the interest' In and AIDJAX. Fletcher pro--
posed that a meeting be hel.ei in 1'n.irhanic:; in riid--Augu t at a Conference
on Arctic Climate called by the AAAS. Professor Goode of llarva:rd, who
is Chairman of the 'AS Co.,mitt.ce on Polar Studies will be in Fairbanks
at this time. Dr. Israel agreed with this proposal and said he was
quite sure Borisenkov would be at the Fairbanks symposium.
Dr. Fletcher said he would male the arrangements for this informal meeting.
is
1975 in the Arctic.
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Fletcher spoke further on the possibility of the exchange oL t core
of the University ofWashingtoa and Soviet Institutions and about matters
of specific cooperation durin,.; the U.S. field experiment :;t?urtjng. ;Larch'
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Mr. Donald Pack S~)Ui:l rtiilvlii Global i,on~.torir.g Station network.
lie showed a picLu;e of this net;:o.;c inc. pkoLog raphs of Mauna Loa to Dr.
Israel. Pack sugi'C,;ted that s,:udies be. undertaken on: (a) measureiilent
intercomparison; (b) in struilmeat ealiihrat.ion; (c) data averaging problems
and tlin t- r...n7 -.r
and
He mentioned the po:;sibi.lity of lhav_i.ug a Soviet scirnti:.;t visit `.fautia Loa.
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r. Israel about t:lhe t; Latuc of USSR global monitoring sta-
tions. fle said they are preparing onu in the northern Caucasus anti ,-rill
probably add several later. Apparently the Ilydror.leeteorological Service
is having an expansion now to help work on a variety of pollution prob-
lems._ Dr. Israel questioned Don Pack at some length about the nature of
measurements made at Mauna Loa and the sensitivity of the instruments
.
He was obviously interested in this area of work. Pack suggested that
U.S. and Soviet scientists get tojether at a forthcoming -meeting in Helsinki.
to discu
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global monitoring stations. Dr. Israel thought
that this was a good idea and said he would write Pack to say what Soviet
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en
ists working on this progtaili would attend the Helsinki. meeting.
It was obvious at this point that the several sub-groups have quite dif-
ferent interests. I suggested that the working group break u
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of the future meetings into sub-groups that could study separate suLTeets
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to separate institutions. Dr. Israel agreed this probably
could b
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one but said it should be discussed later.
Dr.:Les Machta discussed briefly the effect of changing levels of atmos-
pheric constituents on climate. He emphasized the importance of the
effect of aerosols on global temperatures. We do not know now whether
these particles heat or cool the earth, by their presence in the upper
atmosphere. This depends on their detailed properties and whether they
scatter
or absorb radi
i
,
at
.on 11,10:re. Mechta suggested the U.S. and USSR
try to design experiments to r,1e :sure the scattering and absorption pro-
perties of aerosol particles and study this problem theoretically.
Mr. Sam.Coroniti of the Department of Transportation spoke about the CIAP
program, He said their major interest was in acquainting the USSR scier.-
general field. Dr. Israel later at lunch said the Soviets had no s
e ifi
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program-,on this subject in reply to a question by Dr
White
Howev
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apparently have srpec:iali,-,Ls working on some of the CIAP-type problems. Mr.
Coroniti briefly Act-o"41,
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t
e CLAP program elements including: (a) measure-
ments of effluence from Lgh f1.y.Jn~; t1:i.rcr.tl L using wind tunnel experiments;
(b) duti r Iuei Len of
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react
on r,ato,;; of important chemicai proc& sscs; (c)
attempts to model the stratosphere; and (d) attempts to determine the
ambient stratospheric composition. Mr. Coroniti and Dr. Allen Grobecker
of DOT will both present papers at a Baku confer
ence on aeronautics on
the general subject of CIA? :ilc?v hope at this time to meet Soviet specials
fists workin
on si
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m
ar problems and suggested they would be willing to
give seminar
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vari
us Soviet institutions on this subject.
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Mr. -Toe Sm"lagorills ky of GFA)L di scjussed the problems of climatic modeling'
Iie said that a principal r.Oason i_oi a dertaicing this activity was to
understand secondary rezict.Lons of the atmosphere to changes in constitu-
ents and to determine c1.i;, l~a_c sensitivity and possible instabilities
in the atmosphere-ocean sysLe;l whiCil would allow Changes in climate.
Sina~g,;orinsky suggested it nil_g(it be appropr"i.ate to have other sub-groups
inside our working group loolciag ai questions Such as: (a) the ocean's
importance in climate; and (b) past climatic changes; and (c) local
climatic changes such as in an urban area.
We asked questions about the nature of the future cooperation between
the U.S. and U.S.S.R. scientists. We suggested we would like to exchange
scientists for extended periods of time and exchange visits to quite a
number of institutions in both countries. We raised the question of
the membership of the working group. Dr. Israel said all of these matcers
should be left for future discussion with Dr. Borisenkov in August. I
will write a letter to Dr. Borisenkov and also one to Dr. Budyko raising
these questions and trying to get specific answers to them in August.
Copies of the draft letters are attached here for information.
Nola Johnson
Lester Machta
Sam Coroni ti.
Joseph Fletcher
Joseph Smagorinsky
Allen Grobecker
John W. Townsend
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