RE CONVERSATION AT THE USSR SC DINNER

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP79S01011A000400020013-0
• Release Decision: RIFPUB
• Original Classification: S
• Document Page Count: 3
• Document Creation Date: December 9, 2016
• Document Release Date: July 10, 2000
• Sequence Number: 13
• Publication Date: June 29, 1951
• Content Type: TRANS

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he wvu3d like to ? ~e ~pli~::.a~ he t8ae~ta~ht tl~~ko had.
c?~~d ~ab~eat; ~e ad~d~ ~~e c~R h+~ipc: ~~ ~~~e,~w
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about the b~akdv v~ a cva~erenc~r 3.n P'ariao~ Hm said the
A4~ant~.e ~'avt~ erg the great p-ra~~-7.e~a het ~~n o~ ire Ocwatrise ? He
descr3~d it ~c eleual~r an a,gasi~ p~t.~ dirt~ted a,ga~.nat ~
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own persona3 experience that the US Senate would not have r$ti~
Died the Ta~esat~ unless they had been aanvir~ced by sav~eral ,years
of ea~ri~e after the war that the Soe Union xsass intent upon
assionm their maintenance at huge armies sand policy of the
Trop Curtain9 building up armies in Eastern ~arape and abov+ar all9
aggression in l~orea have +created deep tears of heir intentions.
For U8, the Atlantis's Paot eras the reeu].t of tension orsaated by th?
SQei?t IInion aand we did act agree that it oaeild bra considered s~
sa cssentse of t~rnsion4
Malik rep39.ssd~ "I would hope you would :~.nvi.te us to gar~Ci?
cipate #n the Atlsantic facto" T pretended nat to understand h3ao
H? repeate9d these- gtaofied words xithout appsarent aa'~+~ or tas~-
tionsnessp
T said t+ra had i~ited thew to fain the ~Iarsha?~l Plan but thsay
had reinsed to da so and seen had ntsade Csesah change her mind,
Malik then ~snt into a ritualistic song. and dance about the *po1i~?
ticsal conditions" xs3 had attssshed to the Marshall Pa.ano Re insisted
xith +onphas9ia that the Sov Union had at first bean willing to ~oia
the Marshall Plan while it seemed to be sa fair eissonondo progaam
xith ~tuad], trade arrangements," but ~ahea their sax we ware "trying
to dominate Western Europe" xith our eaons~e3,c powa~r they, of coarse,
xould ha-v+e nothing to do xith ito I challenged his oomrnents.
Ruing to ssub~esrt of the Atlant3,a Pant, Malik said t+a+ ~aeab
firight?ned by our orlon propsagandao A3Lthough we talked about large
Russian armies, xe never tsaak about our awn huge Navy, Air Fors~e
and "Atom Haub S'~.ockpileo" Ws3 say we are maid of the Soo Unioa
but we ke?rp basaesa near her borderse C1n other hand, the Soe Union
has na bases near our frontiers, He was ~ oo~cerinsssd that ~
wauateal the At~lsarttio Pant in order to gat bases is Europe, aad this
proved our aggressive intentions. Ae could not understrand w4ry wart
xere "not willing to co~xis~tfl" Instead a~' trying to ressh an
agreement xith Soviet Unionm xe ksap t ~ abatat their buildiang
up "sm armies in small cauntriea~," At same time wsi ourselves
ire maalting big armam?nts #.o add to our Navyr, A~,r Faroe and Atoms
Homo Stockpiles. He ~ xaa "tixw3y convinaad" that tt:e American peopha
did not spproeesl of txhia oouressq
R`hsy did not cant xar ate nEare thsan the Sot }>oople wanted xaro
Y replied that it xaa ea~e]y dittieult for us to knper r+hat
then See people xsm~d, and that one of the basisr causes at our tears,
and suspioionss xaa the Iron L'ur't~itno 3o Song as Soo maSntainad a
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cloesd s~tet~, forbidding f're? e~hange o~ pimple and coa~tanicar
Lions, it could-not be ?cted that people in other parts o~ the
wor~,d ~rould develop conl~idencr~ in Sov iratentions8 Moreo4er" ero
f'ar as I was. awmureA there was ~ c~apits4list P~~.f'th Coltan~ in Moscowp
Malik ..replied we had the real 7[ron Curtain, pointing to our re?~
fliaa3. to pmrna3.t mists and ~sicians swch as Shostakavich coming
t0 'Il$ o
Malik ta~ld m? he wag leaving on Qrip,sholba on July 6 and hoped
to have long reatQ Hai said he was v+'ar;~ tad aid x~ planning now
to ffit~y in bed for s~-erai d~s? Ha hoped that wa mi.ght have a talk
ta9.#~tt each oth?r before het left if he f'otuad he had the opp?a~tunitya
Later i,n the evening I had a brief talk with Soldatov of the
Sou I9e1o I found him t~saall~ arable, aa, Zinohe~nldf who 3oin?d
ttao Soldatov insisted upon itrtanco of orris two caantrieat ~atnder-
ataading each ?ther." Fie tta3.d ~ eras ~,oossib$e to oouceive that
~ teettld "destroy each othero" He insisted That tta nape a great
mistake ~ehen we talk abota,t eo-call~sd 3ov place to doainat~r th?
w4~?lda The 5ov f~0~' "be].ievoa in co~ciat~ce" and Stalin bias Leads
this a3earp Oar great ~ista3cs, Soldatov saidA Baas to fain. to
realize that since Stalin is hoed o~ Statg9 it ie i~rportant to
"c~ons3der what ~ h? says now" and not what he or others may harts said
mar~r yreara ~tb Traaean. and ARh~-son attack~cd Sta],in bnt jae ehrnaid
rea3.ize S#~1.in has not attacked Truman and ~hesan, t+loreogers the
S.ov Preece dose not tell their people hot- aasch the A~-erican Praea
writes against #rhs .Sou Union, If the alai the ~uesian people "ttovld
bo dis'hurbed" and would not be wii.ling to wept ssgre~enfis bets
~So
At sx-other.point dur~ the evening, while I was talking with
Zinchenlno and ~,~-edoa the latter brc~gght tip question ~of the orer
bgt the t3evt o? F7cuacbr o~ rice Tor sP~.ipment to ICoreao Zir.~henkoi
with a a~aile, ~sa'id that Rsonn w? wi11 have poet in Korea and it will
not be necessary to ee~d the ri~q
Throughotat the evening it wa;a quite clear that Malik, Soldato4
and Zh~anko were most amiable in their approasches to gee and in
our cc~nversationso
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