TRANSCRIPT OF CIA CAREER BOARD

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T1' .NSCRIPT CF CIA CAPEEPR SERti CL 30APD
2nd Tgeeting
17 October 1952, 11:00 P. M.
Agenda
Items
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Minutes of 1st iiteeting of CIA Career Service
Board
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New .,ember of CIA Career Service Board to
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Succeed
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Honor Awards Program
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Longevity System
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professional Selection Panel (See e.1so 13
below)
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Hazardous Duty Pay
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Insurance
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Career Service Board Act vities
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DD/P Ccreer Service organization
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Promotion Policy
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Vd,i cational Prerequisites and Promotion Policy
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Term of Chairman of CIA Career Service Board
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Professional Selection Panel (See also 5 above)
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Presentations to the Board
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TRANSCRIPT OF
CIA CAREER SERVICE BOARD MEET 1MG
FRIDAY, 17 OCTOBER 1952, AT 4:00 P.M.
DCITS CONFERENCE ROOM, ADMINISTRATION BUILDING
Mr. Walter Reid Wolf
DD/.A, Chairman
Mr. James M. Andrews, AD/CD
Colonel Matthew Baird, D/TR
Mr. Loftus E. Becker, DD/I
Acting Chief of Operations
Lt. Gen. W.H.H. Morris, Jr., AD/P
Executive Secretary
Mr Reporter
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MR. WOLF: Let's call the meeting to order, and the first item on the
agenda is "Minutes of the lst Meeting of the CIA Career Service Board,
(attached); for approval." You all have copies of the minutes; they have been
distributed. Are there any corrections or additions that anybody would care
to make to the minutes as presented?
25X1A9a MR.
Mr. Chairman, I would like to move they be approved.
MR. ANEREGJS: I'second the motion,,
MR. WOLF: As there is no objection the minutes will stand approved as
read. The second item is the "Minutes of the lst Meeting of the Review Com-
mittee of the CIA Career Service Board, (attached) for information," That
also has been distributed, and I would like to say at this point that for
some unknown reason we talked about it as an Executive Committee, and when
25X1A9 talked to me I indicated that in my language an Executive Commit-
tee is usually a committee of a board that has all the powers of a board
when the board is not in session, and that if there was no objection from
anyone in this group, I prefer to call it a CIA Career Service Board Review
Committee. The purpose, as indicated in the minutes of the first meeting,
was to screen material presented so that we would save as much time as pos-
sible of the members of the Senior Board, and these minutes have been dis-
tributed. Again, it is not necessary in my opinion to approve these minutes,
but they are simply distributed for information.
However, if anybody would like to comment on these minutes, I am only
too glad to hear what they might have to say at this time, although a number
of items will come along in succession on the agenda which has been presented
for the day.
Number 3 on the Agenda is the "Selection of rotating member of the CIA
Career Service Board. term as member expired 30 September 25X1A9a
1952. The term of the new member will be from 1 October 1952 until 31 March
1953."
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25X1A9a MR. =I think Mr. would be a good one to replace Mr. 25X1A9a
25X1A9a He has had a long service with the organization, and he would
e a good representative of the covert offices, particularly in view of the
fact that the two other principal staff chiefs down there are so new to the
Agency that they have very little to contribute in terms of what our career
service problems are.
(Off the Record)
(Mr. Loftus E. Becker entered the room at this point and the following
occurred:)
MR. WOLF: I would like to ask the Board if there are any other thoughts
they would like to present, or if they would like to vote on Mr. 25X1A9a
appointment to the Board for the term?
COLONEL BAIRD: What is Mr. _ specific position now, Dick? 25X1A9a
25X1A9a MR.
He is in charge of the FI Staff.
COLONEL BAIRD: Acting?
25X1A9a MR._ Well, he is acting at the moment.
COLONEL BAIRD: I think he would be excellent.
MR. WOLF: If there is no objection we will consider Mr. M elected 25X1A9a
to this position.
25X1~9a MR. _ I think, Mr. Wolf, we recommend to the Director who con-
firms, and then we --
MR. WOLF: This Board will recommend the appointment of Mr.Wo the 25X1A9a
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for the term. Item No. 4 is the "Status of the Honor Awards Program;
consideration of the report of the special committee to nominate candidates
for membership on the Honor Awards Board," I would like to comment on that
for a minute. The program which we presented at the last meeting and approved
was presented to the Director within the period of two or three days after
our last meeting. The Director has read the program twice to my knowledge,
although I have not discussed it with him. It has not come back. I have
failed to get it off his desk, which I should have done, because after that
program was reviewed by this Board and presented to the Director a very
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careful memorandum, which I think you all have a copy of, was written by
George Carey's people relative to the longevity awards, and, frankly, I am
very much pleased that the Director has not signed off on that because I think
this Board should carefully consider the points raised by George Careyts office
in the matter of longevity. I assume that everybody has had a copy of it,
has had a chance to look it over, and I would welcome any suggestions that
anyone might have. I think, Dick, you might give us your thoughts if you
will.
Actually I suppose if the truth must be told this whole idea
of some sort of longevity recognition started with me actually because I was
aware of the fact that there were or of what I thought were half a dozen
employees in what used to be OSO who had been there since almost the begin-
ning of time, I discussed that with Mr. at the time and said I 25X1A9a
thought it would be appropriate and very good for morale if the Director
sent a personal letter to these individuals saying he was delighted to see
they had been loyal employees of the organization for such a length of time,
and the Director indicated that he would be delighted to do that. He agreed
with it. Obviously in looking at the cases of these, what I thought was a
half dozen turned out to be more like 25 or 30. They were all individuals
who had come in to what was the Coordinator of Information back in 1942 and
had been working in secret intelligence work every since, or communications
which was directly tied into secret intelligence work, so that that was the
genesis of this idea. That was taken over then when was
Assistant Director for Personnel, This was taken in hand, and then it was
thought at the time that it would make perfectly good sense if this were
included in the Career Service Program since it was obviously an integral
part of any such program, and, as you all saw at the last meeting, it came
up in that form.
?,Tell, I have read Mr. Carey's memorandum, and I recognize immediately
from its content that the question which arises here is not the question of
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secret intelligence; it is the question of the large tent which CIA is and
all'of the people that have come into it. I can't really -- because I am
not familiar enough with it -- make a decent statement about whether FOIAb3bl
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and having stayed on in that type of activity should or should not get this
recognition because I don't know enough about the background, and I don't know
enough about the terms under which that personnel was brought into the Central
Intelligence Agency originally. I don't know if the activity was brought
over here and the people followed along, or whether the people were brought
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over here, or just how the thing worked, and I certainly would not want to
take a dog in the manger attitude and prevent anyone around here from being
recognized for having done long and faithful service. The only thing I
would not like to see is what would be Mr. Carey's final recognition, that
CIG is the place where this whole thing ought to start, because I don't think
that makes any sense whatever.
MR. BECKER: I tend to differ a little bit from that view, Dick, because
I think it might well be appropriate for FI to institute some sort of a
service award for service in secret intelligence which would go back beyond
CIG, but I must confess I too think of the CIA concept, which includes a
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number of things other than secret intelligence, as stemming from CIG; and
I think that if you are going back along the SSU channel, then there are a
lot of these subsidiary channels it is equally logical to go along because
aside from secret intelligence we have many people here who have a continuous
intelligence research history which goes right back through from the beginning
of CIG into the Pentagon, and those people are in exactly the same sense as
the FI people faithful Government Service employees who have been continuing
I on the same work and performing the same type of service since before in
some cases the --
2iX1A9a MR-_ Well, I don't want anything I said to be interpreted as
desiring any deserving people of that kind be kept out of this program, but
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I am not in favor of starting the program with the 20th of October, 1946, or
whenever it was that CIG took unto itself what was then the SSU because I
don't honestly think that in that way you are going to have any awards to
give except in 1956; in other words, you are delaying this whole process
about four years, and it doesn't seem to me that that is accomplishing the
purpose which we wanted to accomplish, namely, recognizing people who have
had that service.
Particularly those people who are the core of the business.
25X IA9a you want to expand it along the lines of George Carey's
memorandum, then possibly some qualified person should take a good hard look
at this thing and take into consideration all the different aspects -- the
ones who came over from G-2, the ones who came over in Federal Communications
Commission, and any others there may be.
And you carry it one step further and you find the man
who is now a librarian in CIA and who was doing a similar librarian's func-
tion in some other government service is saying, "I am doing the same thing
in CIA Library I was doing 12 years ago in a government library." I think
you have got to relate it to what is now recognized as the intelligence
service of the government, which is not G-2, A-2, and ONI0
MR. BECKER: Then if you relate it to that, then despite 44hat has been
said I think you are going to have to begin it at the organization of CIG
because I think that indicates the initiation of what we now have as the
intelligence service of the goverranent. That is the first concept of a
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central intelligence organization in the sense that we have it today.
You wouldn't think that the two initial components of
what became OSS would be the beginning of it?
MR. BECKER: The initial components are not what I regard as the core
of CIA. I think that CIA derives not from any of its components but from
the concept of a centralized intelligence organization to serve the policy-
making organizations of the government. As I say, my alternative to Dick's
suggestion would be to permit component units of CIA to recognize long service
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in their particular activity. Frankly I would not institute it within the
research organization for the people who have come from G-2. On the other
hand I can see good reason for SO under authority by this Board instituting
a secret intelligence honor award for continuous service going right back
through these various preceding units, and that I would support, but I think
it becomes unbalanced and somewhat unmanageable if you start to approach it
from the other angle.
MR. WOLF: If I might say I think that is a very good point. There
has been another suggestion that we begin on a five-year basis, but I think
that is the next point that we may want to take up if we can resolve our
own opinion on this point which George Carey brings out so clearly, and if
I may I would like to ask Mr, Andrews what opinion you have.
MR. ANDREWS: Well, it has been discussed a good deal down in my office
by various people there, and pretty generally the feeling is that George
Carey's memorandum is the right approach because it is pointed out that when
CIA was first set up in 166 a considerable effort was made to bring people
in here from the other intelligence agencies -- ONI, G-2, etc. -- and those
people who came in from those agencies and who served in them during the war
considered they were every bit as much in the intelligence business -- intel-
ligence people -- as the people in OSS, so I think you will find those who
do come from OSb will probably agree with what Mr. _has said, and those 25X1A9a
who came from the others will not.
MR. WOLF: General, have you any comment?
GENERAL MORRIS: Well, I sort of stick by the original thing to inter-
pret the thing very strictly,
MR. WOLF: Like George Carey's recommendation?
GENERAL MCRRIS: Not like his, no; where the General Counsel says the
whole thing should be interpreted strictly and CIA was born from this organiza-
tion, and that organization from this organization, and so on down the line.
If he didn't belong to this organization, well then you are not in it for 10
years.
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MR. BECKER: Well the point I am raising is that is not a strict
interpretation.
GEN&HAL MORRIS: I thought it was. He says it is strict. It may not
be, but in every one of those things where you don't interpret exactly strictly
on the thing, I mean as to the dates and everything else, you begin to get
into trouble. You have this exception and that exception. It is the same
way with campaign ribbons, you know.
MR. WOiF: It might clarify the situation if we could agree to reduce
this to the question of whether or not we recognize length of service with
this institution beginning with the creation of CIG, or whether we recognize
service with this institution through its parent and grandparent organizations
through the various and sundry components. It really reduces itself right
to that, doesn't it?
MR. BECKER: Yes, but I hate to be stubborn, Walter, but I think it is
a fairly important issue. I do not think the parent and grandparent insti-
tutions were properly defined in the original order. The issue that I would
put would be whether or not CIA agencywise was born with the CIG or whether
it should be recognized that the components which existed prior to CIG --
allow me to amend that to say that a portion of the components which existed
prior to CIG should be singled out for recognition as the basis of the CIA
organization.
M. WOLF: Well, Mr. Becker, I think it is a matter of the expression.
I really think we are talking about exactly the same thing. My own opinion
when I saw George's memorandum, I felt that among others I had slipped badly
in not spotting it right at the beginning. I have no firm conviction, but
it seemed to me that what we are talking about now and what we are talking
about for the long distant future is CIA. Now the fact that it was called
CIG and then called CIA didn't seen to bother me very much, but when it got
down to people who had been employed in this kind of business, in something
that was something else over here, and something over here, and Colonel
Baird, I think, brings out an interesting point TAh en someone transferred from
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a library in one government agency to a library in this agency, I would feel
if we are going to talk longevity recognition we would have to take in the
whole kit and caboodle and take in everybody on every conceivable basis.
MR. BECKER: That is right.
MR. WOLF: I have felt since I read George's memorandum again; I say
I feel I slipped in not catching it right off, that probably what we ought
to bring this right down to cold bloodedly to present to the Director is those
who have served for X number of years with this Agency, and I think we can
say CIG and CIA were one and the same except one was called Group and one
was called Agency.
25(1A9a MR._ yes, but there is a very real difference. In the first
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became CIA it -ras the first time it was on the books in the statutory way,
so that the central intelligence concept of which you are talking about has
legal and statutory status in this Government only with the start of CIA,
and that was with the start of CIG, and if we are going to start to argue
this thing on lineal descent and that sort of basis, etc., then you have
to come back to the time when the law was passed.
MR. BECKER: I take what I am relying on is the bundling together of
the sticks that make this organization, and I don't much care what the author-
ity is. A Presidential Directive can create just as adequate an institution
as a statute. I am relying on the fact that that was the time when the
bundle was put together.
MR. WOLF: That is the point I take. Had the concept of the bundle
been agreed upon and determined upon, and had the time element been such
that someone could have gotten it through the Bureau of the Budget and
Committee of Congress, and gotten it approved, which I note from experience
is not the thing that you can do overnight. It takes all kinds of time.
place, if you start with CIG you give a six months' handicap to those in the
central offices over all of those in the covert offices because the SSU
wasn't picked up until at least six months after CIG was founded to start
with. Secondly, CIG was established by Presidential Directive, and when it
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business. Now our problem is one of handling people as individuals. How
I really believe that when the bundle of sticks was put together was when
this concept of a Central Intelligence Agency was created. Now there is a
technicality in that the law had not been passed, but I am willing to waive
that. I am troubled about going back into the background of each person
and what he did before, and which particular thing he was associated with,
because it seemed clear to me he might have been in G-2, or ONI, or A-2, or
OSS. He might well have been in the Federal Communications Commission; he
might have been on the Internal Security Board or whatever the damn thing
was -- I have forgotten what they called it -- and I really must say I think
it presents a very confusing picture if we go back of the concept of this
serious would it be in your opinion if we recommended to the Director the
mot hard boiled one there is, let's say, CIA when the law was passed, or,
if we all agree, CIG? How seriously is that going to bother people who are
here?
MR. WOLF: Would a compromise such as a letter from the Director at
the end of five years recognizing five years of continuous service and then
the award as considered in the program at the end of 10 years?
I that you ---
MR. BECKER: That is the disadvantage that Dick has mentioned -- that
if you make it a 10-year award you cantt give any for some time. If you
were to do that you might well create a five-year and a 10-year award so
25X1A9aI MR.- Mr. Wolf, you may not want volume-to affect principle, but
I have had a check made as to how many five-year employees there are starting
with 20 October 19.L6, and this would involve letters from the Director
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because there are that many people on the rolls as of 15 October who were
on the foils as of 20 October 1946.
MR. WOLF: I know that in my own organization we pay no attention to
longevity until the individual is elected to the Quarter Century Club. That
is after 25 years of continuous service, but 5, or 10, or 15, or 20 years
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doesn't mean anything to anybody there. If you are recognized you get a
silver tray or something. Your wife gets a bunch of roses or something, and
you belong to a club that has a dinner once a year.
COLONEL BAIRD: Mr. Becker, I am not familiar with this thing, but we
talk about the sticks that make up the bundle, and, of course, there have
been sticks that have been picked up over the past years. You wouldn't be
satisfied with the sticks that made up OS$ before it was split?
Mit. BECKER: No, not at all because I think that would really to my
mind be discrimination. I think one of the true antecedents of Amory's
organization, and we have men in there who have been right through the whole
25X1A9a thing, was organization which played a great part in the
defeat of Japan.
COLONEL BAIRD: What was that?
MR. BECK ER: It was over in MIS.
MR. ANDREWS: No special branch.
MR. BECKT:R: Which has a history and esprit de corps which was as high
as any intelligence organization in the Government. I am prejudiced because
I used to belong to it. I think there is a serious issue of discrimination
there, and it is one that I would not be inclined to lightly waive in so
far as we have those people because I think they very justly would feel that
people who had no more claim to recognition were being singled out for
recognition, and I don't think justly.
COLONEL BAIRD: Mr. Wolf, I think we have probably got one or two
decisions to make. If we take George's on the_that merely opens the
gates and we will get a lot of other just as good exceptions. Mr. Becker
has just given us the last one.
MR. WOLF : Right.
COLONEL BAIRD: I am afraid that it looks as if we will have to take
the CIG, but it wipes out the program.
MR. WW.jOLF: My question again then is: In the opinion of this group,
how serious is that? I repeat that I am not accustomed to thinking in terms
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of anybody who served faithfully for 10 years. It is rather a shock to me
that we even thought of that, but I thought maybe that was all right in the
Government, but we never even think of it --
COLONEL BAIRD: That has precedents in other organizations -- Kiwanis,
Rotary, etc.
MR. DECKER: The issue is whether or not this type of award is appropri-
ate for so young an organization.
a MR. _ I would think very honestly that it was, that anyone who
lived around here in 1946 would know what it took to keep on employees during
that period. We are all fat cats now and have lots of money, lots of people,
etc., but if you lived through the dark days of 1945 when scaffolding was
being brought down, etc., it took a lot more than money and several other
things to get people to stay on with this conception, and an awful lot of
them did it with conviction and high motivation, and it was with that thought
in mind I just put forward this idea in the first place because actually
most of the people covered by this are not the brass around here. They
are not the wheels; they are the hard working people that turn the work out
day after day and don't get very much money for it, much recognition, or
anything else.
MR. WOLF: Do you think a change of this kind would have a serious
effect on the morale of a number of people?
a MR. I am thinking now as we have gone on with this discussion
of possibly doing two things: (1) accepting Mr. Becker's sensible suggestion
that those people who are covered by this in the secret intelligence business
get such a letter but directed specifically to the activity in which they
were involved, and (2) going over to a new program which would pick up all
these other people starting possibly with CIG and whatever date seemed to
be desirable and fair under the circumstances, so we could accomplish both
of these aims without getting anybody unhappy and get on with this thing on
a rational basis.
MR. BECKER: I would certainly agree to that.
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25X1}9a MR. _ May I make a suggestion? There are about 75 people
involved now who have had "this 10-year service," plus 35 people in FOIAb3bl
plus maybe a few more, There certainly aren't thousands of people.
MR. BECKER: May I ask you a question on that?
MR. : Yes.
MR. BECKER: Have you considered it in the terms of reference in which
i am raising the issue? How many people in this organization have served
continuously in intelligence since 19a or 1942, for example?
MR. I don't have those figures.
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i' MR. BECKER: I mean your figures really don't answer the issue of how
many we have of that type.
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MR. May I continue this suggestion?
Would it go only to the people who had served in secret intelligence?
Program will date with the es':ablishment of CIA, and you have got a completely
clear-cut proposition from that point on with no discrimination even within
the CIG, but that we prepare a hundred or, if necessary, 200 letters to those
persons who have served thanking them, congratulating them, etc., and say-
ing -- and this is a personal note -- that the Longevity Program uhich they
all know about -- because this has been distributed as a proposal -- has been
modified to be restricted to CIA. That is my --
MR. BECKER: Does that mean that would go to -- ? To whom would it go?
MR. I suggest that letters be prepared for those persons who
have served continuously for 10 years explaining to them that the CIA Longevity
25X1AAa MR. - Oh, no, it would go to people who had served in special
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That would be all right as far as I am concernedo
branch, who had continuous service, and it would go to M people, and it
would go to everybody whom a continuous intelligence activity could be
produced.
MR. BECKER: I could not object to that on grounds of discrimination.
25X1APa MR.- That solves the dilemma.
MR. BECKER: I am inclined to believe that it is preferable to the
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other alternative we were considering for the reason that I think that a
number of these people were guided by the same motivation that you mentioned,
25X1A90 Mr. and I think it is commendable.
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MR. WOLF: Would you recommend that that letter go over the signature
of the Director, or over the signature of the Deputy, or over the signature
of the Assistant Director?
MR.M Sir, may I say I think it ought to go over the signature
of the Director, He is the commander around here, and it is so stated, and
he is the commander of all activities small or big.
MR. W( F: I concur; I wanted to make that clear. I assume everybody
else would agree.
MR. ANDREWS: I agree.
I agree.
M. BECKER: Yes.
MR. WOLF: Well, then, would it be satisfactory to this Board to amend
the Honor Awards Program, to wit, that part which has to do with the longevity
award, change the recommendation to the Director to the beginning of the
GIG, or would you prefer to make it the date of the passage of the Act and
MR. BECKER: I would be inclined to make it CIG, but I have no strong
feeling on that.
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TWell masr T ask this -- that we maim determination before
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our next meeting of what precisely is involved if we start with the founding
date of CIG? My point is simply this, and I don't have the answer myself
so that I can't help determine it, but my recollection' is that a Presidential
Directive set. up Admiral Souers sometime, I think it was, in January or
j February of 1946, and --
MR. ANDREWS: January 22nd.
25X19a MR. -- he set up a group of employees secunded from other agencies
as I recollected. In other words, he didn't have any payroll of his own, if
I understand it correctly. Then exactly at what point he began to get monies
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from the Congress to actually pay employees -- CIG people -- I don't know,
and I think those factors are somewhat relevant to this. Otherwise the point
General Morris has made comes into focus very heavily here, and that is: Who
actually belonged? Did the man belong to the Navy at that time, or did he
belong to CIG? And that is going to get the thing so fuzzy we will never
get this straightened out. So I think there should be a date set when CIG
had funds of its own so these people were paid CIG employees.
MR. WOLF: May I suggest that this Board request that part of the Honor
Awards Program having to do with longevity be returned and deleted from the
present program, with an explanation to the Director that a special group
is making a further study as to how the longevity awards should be carried
out and report back at the next meeting? Is that satisfactory?
MR. BECKER: It is all right with me.
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All right.
GENERAL MCRRI;: All right.
Who is going to do that?
MR. WOLF: I think you have to get your old committee together that you
had and get the statistics and facts and have them present the program.
I think simultaneously so that this doesn't drag on in-
definitely the letters should be recast so they can go forward very promptly
after the next meeting for signature; otherwise it will be months before any-
thing, in fact, happens, and it will become a little bit silly then.
MR. WOLF: Is this satisfactory to you, Mr. Andrews?
MR. ANDREWS: Entirely.
MR. WOLF: I think we can move on to Number 5 -- "'Organization of the
Professional Selection Panel', dated U September 1952, (attached); for approval, -
recommended by the Review Committee." Now I think everyone has in front of
him the memorandum of 11 September which reads:
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MEMORANDUM FOR: Chairman, CIA Career Service Board
FROM : Chairman, Professional Selection Panel
SUBJECT : Organization of the Panel
1. At its meeting on 10 September 1952, the Professional
Selection Panel agreed to recommend to the CIA Career Service Board
that the fifth voting member of the Panel be a representative of the
Deputy Director (Administration). This is a slight departure from the
composition of the Panel as approved by the Director in the overall
Career Service Program, which is quoted below:
"(1) Two representatives from the overt Offices.
(2) Two representatives from the covert Offices,
(3) One representative from a Deputy Director's Office,
the DD/P, DD/A and DD/I, to be successively
represented on a rotating basis."
2. The members of the Panel feel that the overt Offices are
adequately represented by the two voting members nominated by the
DD/I, that the covert Offices are adequately represented by the
two voting members nominated by the /P, and that the support Offices
should be represented as recommended above. The members of the
Panel further feel that the organization recommended above is simpler
and provides better continuity than that previously envisioned,
Chairman, Professional Selection Panel
RSW:lc (11 September 1952)
cc: Members and Advisors of the
Professional Selection Panel:
Meloon
Tietjen
MR. WOLF: Has anybody any comment? I don't recall our deliberations
on that point prior to the finalization of the report sent to the Director,
25X1A9a but you might, Mr.
25X1A9a MR. = I don't specifically, but it wouldn't surprise me that I
didn't because we discussed so many things so many times,
25X1A9a MR. _ Really this is a minor technicality as to the composition
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MR.- I would like to move we approve this thing. I don't see
any objection to it.
This meets the spirit of whatever we worded differently.
MR. WOLF: If there is no objection then that will be approved. I have
no feeling one way or the other. It makes no difference to me.
The next item is called 'ItHazardous Duty Payt, dated 26 September 1952,
(attached); for approval, - recommended by the Review Committee."
MEMORANDUM FOR: Chairman, CIA Career Service Board
FROM: Chairman, Executive Committee, CIA Career
,Sarvice Board
SUBJECT: Hazardous Duty Pay
REFERENCL: "Policy Concerning Additional Pay for Various
Types of Hazardous Duty", dated 24 September 1952
3. It is recommended that the CIA Career Service Board
approve in principle the establishment of a Hazardous Duty Pay
program in the form outlined and appoint a Working Group to
prepare a detailed plan for re-submission to the CIA Career
Service Board and to the DCI for approval. It is also recom-
mended that the Working Group so appointed consist of five senior
officers and that upon approval by the DCI of the plan which it
will recommend, the same persons be then constituted as the CIA
Hazardous Duty Board in order to ensure continuity.
24 September 1952
Additional Pay for Various Types of Hazardous Duty
1. There will be established a CIA Hazardous Duty Board which
will be responsible to the DCI through the DD/P. The Board will be
composed of at least three senior officers, three of which will be
designated respectively by DD/P, AD (Personnel) and the Comptroller.
A representative of General Counsel's Office will sit with the board
as legal advisor without vote.
5X1A9a MR-
There is a recommendation both from the Review Committee
and from the Director of Personnel that this Board be enlarged to five rather
than three.
MR. WOLF: I believe that there be a representative from the Office of
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25X1Jk9a MR.- And one from the Office of Communications. Those are the
two which would increase it to five.
MR. WOLF: That is right. If this is as stated, and I assume it is,
all we are asked to do today, and all we considered and the Review Board
considered, is to appoint a Committee to go into this further and come back
with a finalized program, and if approved and recommended to the Director,
and if he then approved, these five individuals constitute the Board to
implement this program.
MR. BECKER- I agree with that. I would like to raise for considera-
tion by the Board two questions that occurred to me in going over the paper
which is the plan or policy as distinguished from creation of the Board.
MR. WOLF: Right.
R. BECKER: The one is I note with respect to the demoliton provision
that it applies when people are in training as well as when they are actually
engaged in operations. I understand why that provision was put in, but I
wonder whether or not it does not conflict with the normal military provisions
which are comparable -- in other words, I had not understood that people who
engage in training with live ammunition would receive combat pay, and I think
it is a little different. I merely raise it for consideration.
The other one is individuals infiltrating organizations inimical to
the United States, and in that case I think there should be some qualifica-
tion., at personal risk, or-something to the sort because I must confess that
many organizations are deemed injurious to the United States in which one
could infiltrate them without any physical risk, but I assume it would be
interpreted reasonable.
25 C1A9a MR-_ May I say just something about this paper?
MR. WOLF : Yes.
As is noted in the minutes, they came and talked to me
about this. This whole issue of hazardous pay is something that has been
sort of a hot rivet that has been passed from hand to hand around the Agency
here literally for months, and it has been particularly perplexing to Training,
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I believe, because they do have some very specific problems they would like
to cope with. I went over this in sDme detail with them, and I had certain
reservations of the kind that you had, Mr. Becker, but I was assured that
what they needed most was to get their Board set up so that the Board could
sit down in a technical and proper way and consider all of these problems
and come up some definitive -- in such a way that they could get it off the
dime and get going with it.
25X1A9a MR.
There is another very important point too, Mr.
if I may say so. The reason why they want the group to be continuous with
the Board is if the Board knows it is going to have to implement it, it will
devise a more realistic regulation than if it is a working group which has
to put something up and let somebody else implement it, and we have had
problems of that sort, and your point is exactly correct, Mr. _ that 25X1A9a
until the regulations are drawn --
MR. WOLF: I think the only problem we have before this Board is to
agree whether or not they are willing to appoint the Board as recommended
and agree that it is our opinion right now that when, as, and if an appropriate,
and reasonable, and sound frame is approved that Board will remain; and if
that is satisfactory to the Committee, I think unless anyone has further
comments we can pass on. I don't want to hold you people up too long.
25X1A9a
MR. BECK ER: I agree.
MR. =: I concur.
GENERAL MORRIS : That is satisfactory.
MR. WOLF: The next item is 7. It is called "'Need for Actuarial Studies
in CIA', dated 12 September 1952 (attached); for information, - referred by
the Review Committee to the ADD/A." There is definitely a serious need for
an overall actuarial study. It is probably more than an actuarial study,
and it was atteripted some months ago when was here, and, as I
recall it, he had an individual cleared and brought down from the Mutual Life,
I believe. As you no doubt know from the record that has been sent through,
the problem is primarily one of life insurance, and certain large companies
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such as the New York Life are indicating that they are not willing to insure
individuals who are in CIA for more than $10,000 as I understand it. There
are many other phases of this program, and I don't know exactly what action
we are being asked for here. It simply states "need" for this. I can assure
you that the Review Committee referred it to Colonel White, and Colonel White
25X1A9a and I have spent some time on it. I have had doing some special
work on an overall study, and if it is satisfactory to this Board, I would
be very glad to take the responsibility of having that study investigated
and determine how best a real study can be made, and proceed with it, and
try to formulate a program which can be brought back for action. I think
unless your point of view is different that if we really want to open this
up we could sit here for the next three hours and talk details about dif-
ferent coverages of insurance, and I don't believe that is what we want to
do at a meeting of this kind.
Mr. Chairman, I feel this is a DD/A --
MR. ANDREWS: And an AD (Pers) matter rather than a Career Service.
PR.. WOLF: I think you are entirely right, but I do think it is a kind
of thing the DD/A and AD (Pers) should work out, and then I think the Career
Board in relation to the whole total personnel situation should be advised,
and, if possible, we might like to ask their review and recommendation before
we finalize it with the Director, but I certainly think at this stage of the
game we ought to proceed.
25X1A9a MR. _ So be it everybody agrees..
MR. WOLF: The next item is "'Coordination of Career Service Board
Activities', dated 12 September 1952, (attached); for approval - recommended
by the Review Committee." That paper is very concise and brief.
MR. _ It makes sense. 25X1A9a
MR. WOLF: From my point of view it is entirely satisfactory. If there
is no further comment I would assume that we approve.
There are one or two more items which I feel I must take some time on
today. One is a memorandum dated the 27th of September addressed to the
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Deputy Director (Plans), subject: Career Service, signed by
25X1A9a Brigadier General, U.S.A.,
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, Acting Chief of Foreign Intelligence, and
Chief of Administration, and approved by F. G. Wisner, DDP,
October 6, 1952. Has that been distributed?
25X1A9a MR. - Yes, sir, it is in this Supplementary Agenda.
MR. WOLF: I have gone over it. I have discussed it with _
with Colonel White, and I feel it is an excellent first presentation.
Attached to it is a recommendation of the Boards which are referred to, and
in that apparently it is entirely satisfactory to Frank Wisner as the DD/P,
I would recommend that this Board accept and approve the program.
GEND L MCRKIS: I just have one thing to say about it, Mr. Wolf, on
this thing. This is, of course, just for Plans, but it has to work in
with whatever basic policy that comes out from the Agency as a whole, which
I think it will. Now one of the big problems you have down there in my trips
around I found out is equalization of promotion, and it is pretty bad. It is
way off, and so there is no provision for that in here as I can see it right
MR. - General, your point is well taken, and it was our feeling
in discussing this that what we wanted to do with this paper was to set up
the Career Service mechanism down there, and this question of equality of
promotions was an administrative problem within our own office and should be
dealt with on that basis in conjunction with your office. In other words,
it affects Career Service, but it is a problem out and beyond Career service
which has been created by the artificial situation which has existed, and
once we get set up here, etc., we think this mechanism is going to see to
it by superimposing this DD/P Board, a uniform system in all three of the
Career Service Boards, and the promotions are handled properly, and, as far
as that is concerned, initial recruitment, pay, and slotting, and classifica-
tion are, and all of those things are handled uniformly.
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notice that. I wanted to tell you. Remember at the last meeting I said that
we will start on a plan for promotion, and that has been written up, and I
think it is coming out this week. We will have something on it.
25X1A91a-?- Next week it will be available.
GENERAL MORRIS: My idea about Career Service, the two big things are
pay and promotion. Just as soon as you establish them everything else gets
around very well. Now the pay is very well established although people are
trying to change it all the time in Congress. Now let's get the promotions
established and then you will find the assignments will work around it very
well. Now we are writing a personnel manual, and it is 75% completed, and we
hope by means of that manual to get a uniformity throughout the Agency. That
is going on right now, and we hope to have it in a loose leaf form, and if this
plan of promotion is approved, that will go in it too.
MR. WOLF: If there is no objection it will be so approved. I have one
item I would like to place on the record. It came to me after discussion one
it is, I would like if you have no objection to place it on the record,
that it belongs here, but I think in that it has come from him and is worded as
morning from dated the 11th of September, and I am not even sure
MR. LECKER: Yes.
M. WOLF: I don't knew if any of you have seen it; you have heard about
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it, no doubt.
11 September 1952
MEMORANDUM FOR: Chairman, Career Service Board, Personnel Director
FROM: Inspector General
SUBJECT: Policies Affecting Hiring and Promoting Agency Officers
The Director has approved the following policies affecting educa-
tional qualifications for hiring and promoting Agency officers:
1. Educational progress, including the possession or non-possession
of a degree or degrees, is a legitimate consideration in evaluating the
fitness and potential of a job applicant.
2. Once an applicant becomes attached to the Agency, however he stands
exclusively on his record with the Agency and promotion is to be based en-
tirely on that record. It is not proper to consider lack of formal school-
ing as a deterrent to advancement, or the possession of formal schooling
as a reason for advancement, other factors being equal. The practice now
prevalent in some administrative offices, of weighing the possessing of a
degree as a factor in promotion, is therefore to be abandoned as irrelevant.
3. It follows from the above that no job in the Agency is to be
rated as requiring formal educational prerequisites (i.e., open only to
possessors of given degrees) except in the two professions of the law
and medicine.
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MR. WOLF: This was sent to me as Chairman of the Career Service Board,
and if you have no objection I would like to just place it on the minutes.
I have only one more item I think it is necessary to take time on, and
this is one I am going to like. My term as Chairman expires on October 30
MR. - October 31, sir.
MR. WOLF: October 31.
25X1A9a MR. _ One more day, Mr. Wolf.
MR. WOLF: Therefore, we should have the recommendation to the Director
to appoint a Chairman to take over on the first day of November. As Chair-
man I will ask for any nominations that anybody would like to make.
COLONEL BAIRD: Mr. Chairman, inasmuch as you have presided over only
two meetings, or will have presided over only two meetings, prior to the
expiration of your term, and that inasmuch as continuity at this stage of
the development of the Career Service Board is most important, I would like
to recommend to the other members of the Board that your term be extended.
25X1A9a MR. _ Shouldn't that be stated as a series of whereases? Isn't
that the usual form?
MR. BECKER: But however stated, I would like to second it, Walter.
I think it is a very sensible suggestion.
MR. WOLF: Well, I thought I might be among friends, but --
Frankly, I would much prefer not to. As I told Mr. the other night
when he spoke of something along this line, as far as the w rk of this type
is concerned, to the limited extent of whatever ability and time I have got --
I might add energy -- whether I am acting as Chairman or not you will get
exactly the same thing, and as a matter of principle I am wondering for the
future of this Agency it would not be better to appoint a new chairman and
rotate the chairmanship as we had agreed in the original program. Frankly,
I will do exactly the same thing I am doing now if requested by the Chairman.
I will act for the Chairman in a Review Committee; I will go over items one
by one with the Executive Secretary; I will be in intimate contact continually
with General Morris and Colonel Baird on the personnel and the training phases,
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and anything else, but I think for the record and fcr the future the Agency
would be well advised to follow the original program.
MR. BECKER: I nominate Mr. 25X1A9a
25X1A9a MR._ Don't nominate me; I am just here as a substitute; I am
sitting for Frank.
MR. BECKER: I was thinking of DD/P representative. I nominated DD/P
in that event.
COLONEL BAIRD: Well there is a nomination on the table. It is still
open for discussion. I would think that you are absolutely right, Mr. Wolf,
had you filled a full term, but you haven't filled a full term.
MR. BECKER: What are the facts? What is the term and how long?
25X1A9a MR. ~ The term theoretically was from the first of July to the
end of October.
MR. BECKER: I see.
25X1A9a MR.- Mr. Wolf was overseas, and tie Board did not meet until
the end of August, so for his first two months there the Board had not even
met or organized.
We will have had two meetings instead of the four that
would normally cover the period?
NR. BECKER: Mr. Wolf, don't you think that should affect your view on
MR. WOLF: I think that is a reasonable and appropriate point to bring
up, and I think to a degree -- well, I regret to state I think it mitigates
my suggestion. I am very serious about my suggestion which I hope you all
see because I think for the future it is a good thing to have it on the
regular basis. Obviously if the Board feels strongly for continuity to
carry through this first term to serve for another three months, or whatever.
it is, two months or something, I will do it naturally if the Director says
so, but I assure you I will do the same thing anyway.
I think the fact you will do the same thing anyway is
a very good point; therefore, why not do it officially?
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MR. BECKFR.: I withdraw my nomination of DD/P, second the nomination
of DD/A, and call for a vote.
MR. WOLF: Is there any further discussion?
25X1A9a MR. _ No further discussion.
MR. BECKER: No further discussion.
COLONEL BAIL: I think the minutes should show --
MR. WOLF: I would appreciate having the minutes show clearly --
MR. May I ask for what term we have extended this?
MR. One full term.
MR. hECKER: Yes.
Another four months.
25X1A9a MR. Another four months from 31 October.
25X1A9a MR.= Does that do it?
MR. WOLF: I think there is nothing else that need come up today unless
there is something that you would like to --
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COLONEL BAIRD: I hate to bring it up, but I think we ought to know
that the Selection Panel is working very hard and in an attempt to determine
what their job is. I sit as an Advisory Member only. There are five members,
but they need some guidance because they have got a point that is quite
important. I think they have got a paper before us some place here.
MR. WOLF: I am not up to date on it, but Colonel White has talked to
me about it. I believe he attended --
1A9a MR.- He sat in for 10 minutes on a meeting this morning, I
believe, or yesterday morning.
MR. WOLF' : I think it was yesterday morning. I think he told me last
night or this morning, and he indicated the same thing that you indicate,
Colonel Baird, that they need guidance, and he said that he had some definite
thoughts that he would like to discuss with me, and since that minute we
haven't had time to talk about it.
MR._ May I make a suggestion? I was being briefed on this
problem they have run into on the Professional Selection Panel, and it
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impressed me as the type of problem which can take technical consideration
now rather than getting guidance from this Board at this moment. There is
a security problem involved and the relationship with Colonel Edwards' office,
which is a determination that Colonel White and Mr. Wolf are going to have
to make in the last analysis, in any event, because as the Director's repre-
sentative in that particular department, regardless of what this Board says,
we don't have any power to overrule them in a matter of that kind; consequently,
it seems to me that they should pursue this thing with Colonel White and
Colonel Edwards, etc., and then if by the next meeting the issue is still
unresolved, maybe the disagreed areas can be defined or brought up for
consideration so maybe we can give some assistance to it and possibly ask
the Director fcr a ruling, but I think it is a little bit early at this stage
to do that.
25X1AIa MR. I think it is too early. I would suggest the Review Com-
mittee, which will meet before this Board meets again, take cognizance of
p p c
come before the Board. Will that do the problem?
MR. WOLF: If it is brought to the Review Committee it most certainly
MR. - They will bring it to the Review Committee. There is no
question of that.
MR. BECKER: I would like to have Colonel Edwards available for con-
sultation.
*aft
MR. WOLF: Definitely; II have thought of several things for the future,
I don't want to take unnecessary time now, but I would like to get your
thoughts as we develop each phase of this program. Would it be of value
to this Board to have a 15 or 20-minute talk with let's say Dr. Tietjen and
the Head of his new Psychiatric Division?
ML.
MR. WOLF: or others? I don't know that we want to develop
this Board into that kind of a thing, but I find that time is so difficult
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in this business to really get the feel of some of these things. A 10 or
15-minute talk with the individual who is charged with the responsibility of
carrying through an overall program which we have to be advised of may be
very helpful rather than getting Dr. Tietjen or-to write a paper. 25X1A9a
Now it is just a different point of view, Some people get everything with
a paper, and some get a great deal more by getting the feel from an individual.
I just wanted to ask your thoughts as to . . . that is somethirk to look for-
ward to.
MR. EECKER: I would prefer to have that type of thing in connection
when a specific problem comes up before the Board.
MR. WOLF: 'hen a specific problem comes up before the Board would you
like to have the office come in that is going to be largely responsible for
the effectiveness whatever it might be? The new Psychiatric Program was a
project, and the Director took a major interest in it, and the money is
allocated . . . and it is being built. There will be occasions where it
might be worthwhile to bring Colonel Edwards in, or someone else, and I
didn't know -~h ether you liked to think along that line with me or not,
NR.. BECKER: I would be happy to have them come if it were felt their
presence would assist the Board,
5X1A Your Review Board would make that recommendation.
25X1A9a MR. - Maybe a presentation to be made to the Review Committee
Mich is in more of a discussion frame of mind than this Board which is in
a more decision type of --
NR.. BECKER: Well, I think they might assist this Board in specific
cases.
MR. WOLF : I think so too. Is there anything else to come up? If not
I assume we may adjourn.
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