NOTES OF THE CIA CAREER COUNCIL 48TH MEETING, THURSDAY, 20 FEBRUARY 1958, 3:30 P.M.

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• Document Creation Date: November 11, 2016
• Document Release Date: September 8, 1998
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• Publication Date: February 20, 1958
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Present: Gordon M. Stewart, Chairman
Robert Amory, Jr., Member
Matthew Baird, DTR, Member
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- -NNW Kirkpatrick Member
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wrenc K. White, Member
-8th Meeting, Thursday, 20 February 1958, 3:30 P. M.
DCI Conference Room
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1. TRANSCRIPT
Mr. Stewart -- with the approval of the Council transcripts of the
Council meeting will not be made -- expense involved is not justified.
will attend meetings and take notes from which the
minutes will be prepared. No objection.
Mr. Stewart -- program is getting underway. Introduced - and 25X1A9a
working on program. 1- serves as contact with 25X1A9a
employers within the Government, Mr.~ with employees outside 25X1A9a
Government. Report and discussions had been held with Mr. Rocco Siciliano
15peciai assistant to President for Personnel Management concerning
possibility of placing CIA employees elsewhere in Government. Requested
any suggestions for employment leads. Mr. 11 coordinate with
Contacts and Cover Divisions.
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25X1A9a -- Contacts has very little to do regarding outplacement
and would be glad to be relieved of this responsibility but suggested
25X1A9a that Mr.- go through Contacts to employers with whom Contacts are
working.
Mr. Baird -- asked regarding project used in placing retired military
men in teaching jobs. Mr. Kirkpatrick said it had been successful to
a certain extent.
Mr. Stewart -- contact with representative, who is a 25X1A5a1
cleared consultant, will pass to us leads regarding openings in schools --
to be done informally.
3. MINUTES -- approved as distributed
4. T/O
Mr. Baird -- raised question re Career Staffing authorization in relation
to rotation between DD/P and OTR. Can it be done by negotiation?
25X1A9a -- proposed system does not change rotation to field or rotation
within headquarters. Definitely an advantage for Clandestine Services
authorizes what DD/P is now doing. Will take months to get all cases
untangled.
25X1A9a -- questions ceiling by Career Service. In DD/I always
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given by organization -- certain admin jobs SD of the office.
- will not be as easy for OP to supply people.
-- Recognize we give-away certain people in lower grades
but question arises with senior admin people, who are not distinctly Admin
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given as example. Suggest that DD/I work it out with DD/S.
Mr. Kirkpatrick -- time we have one Agency -- not separate parts under
a treaty.
Mr. Stewart -- outlined advantages of new system
(1) Puts competitive promotion on realistic basis
(2) Better utilization of manpower
(3) Have people lined up -- selection out purpose
suggest DD/I work it out case by case with DD/S
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Mr. Baird -- It is a real problem in OTRbat think it can be worked out
by negotiation.
Mr. Stewart -- If a member of CSCS, he may stay in CS Career Service
during a training or rotation period. Ceiling by Career Service loosens
up situations.
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-- worked fine in Comoro -- agreement with Mr. Stewart --
M1r. Stewart will staff personnel and admin positions-once this is all
assimulated people will be in right place on totem pole.
Mr. Kirkpatrick -- In future will work -- once established so people will
have definite place to look forward to. People are fearful -- question of
competing with professionals in special areas.
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Col. White -- DD/S now reaching point where they can take over -- magnitude
not great. Advantage of system in T/O's in field -- today T/O's in field
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mean nothing. Station chief uses people as he wants to -- this will give
him legal right to go ahead.
Mr. Amory -- believes SD should be choice by individual -- flexibility of
choice-admin type senior DD/I more like executive assistants.
Col. White -- Had no trouble in DD/P so far. No admin problems as
Mr. Stewart -- suggest proceed slitting up CS ceiling -- DD/I having
DDS in your place on ad hoc basis. Main problem trying to manage.
25X1A9a -- could we lay out time schedule?
Mr. Kirkpatrick could we go ahead embark on venture without
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regulation and spell it out later.
-- Required complete survey of office in Comoro.
Mr. Amory -- Let us go ahead -- shoot for 1 July -- have a regulation --
refine or clean it up later. Work out cases with DD/S.
25X1A9a - The Handbook is needed for educational purposes and to
Mr. Stewart -- Suggest go ahead -- try to effect by 1 July -- will not
change budget.
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-- has specific comments on wording of regulation -- would
like to discuss it with writers of regulation and thus not write all
comments.
-stated we would welcome comments.
Mr. Kirkpatrick -- week from Tuesday his staff will have comments on
regulation -- suggest Sheay come up and listen in.
Mr. Amory -- question of working Out limited positions with EE.
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5. CIVIL SERVICE LEAGUE AWARD CANDIDATE
Col. White -- only one candidate named from DDS components suggested name
of if Agency wishes to partidpate this year.
Mr. Kirkpatrick -- aren't we premature in consideration of 15 year
service requirement? This year a little early and only one candidate
to consider.
Mr. Armory -- raised question will this recommending candidate indicate
non-interest and we don't want to pill -"above and beyond" attitude.
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-- discussed Arthur Fleming Awards luncheon and presentation
of award to Ed Saunder's son.
Basic question -- can we participate because of security -- to get
selected for one of these awards -- full details of accomplishments are
given. Whole purpose -- incentives for work in Federal Government --
public recognition.
Mr. Kirkpatrick -- Disagreed. Security no problem -- we'-can underwrite
the best citation writer we can get -- easy to write citations without
revealing security info.
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-- Select right man for right award --_ more appropriate 25X1 A9<
as candidate for Arthur Fleming Award than Civil Service League because of
age factor.
Mr. Stewart -- This bears out former discussion and plan to consider
candidates for these awards and quota schools at same time -- we are
in not bound to nominate someone for each award.
Mr. Amory -- agree no candidate to be recommended. Send a letter not
close down on program.
6. DIRECTORY OF FORt'ER EMPLOYEES
fotice as such not discussed but handed oug
Mr. Stewart -- explained he was going to ask officials to Z list of
names and addresses of former employees for emergency manpower roster.
Mr. Baird -- question re Reserve program
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Mr. Kirkpatrick -- let us establish control system -- keep out certain
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names. L i m i t request since OSS. He will get 08S list fr
- -- as by product -- have a black list
Mr. Baird -- raised question of remembering names
25X1A9a -- OP can furnish list of exemployees, you check them off.
Mr. Amory -- Good - suggest we indicate (1) Highly Desirable (2) Desirable
or (3) Don't,Touch.
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Mr. Kirkpatrick -- write paragraph on each one -- agreed.
Question from floor -- who contacts them OP
Mr. Amory -- Include GS-7 and above up to age 60.
Decision -- all agreed -- want the list.
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1. From now on there will be no transcript of the Council meetings in
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whose services are in great demand. Y4 , av
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T/O presentation - discuss planned attrition and selection out paper
when Career Service Staffing Authorization is being discussed -
major discussion on shift of ceiling - overall statistics are
available.
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6. Giving information to prospective employers on former CIA employees -
7. Directory of former employees informal reserve, notice available.-
In this connection, the relationship of this informal program to the
National Defense Executive Reserve and the CIA Civilian Specialist
Reserve which was approved on 26 January 1958.
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