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Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676ROO1700150001-9 INDEX TAB A TAB B TAB C TAB D .TAB E Meeting of 26 August 1964 Meeting of 1 September 1964 Meeting of 10 September 1964 Meeting of 29 September 1964 Meeting of 6 October 1964 TAB F TAB G TAB H TAB I TAB J TAB K TAB L TAB M Meeting of 14 October 1964 DDCI Memo re "Next NRO ExCom Meeting" Meeting of 1 December 1964 Meeting of 5 January 1965 Meeting of 12 January 1965 Meeting of 21 January 1965 (DDCI did not attend) Meeting of 27 January 1965 Meeting of 2 February 1965 04040 USAF review(s) completed. NRO review(s) completed. Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 TAB Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Mr. Knoche: r / General Carter asked that you do a rrfemo on the action item in para 5, and then I think he plans on showing this full memo only to certain interested people. Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80B01676R001700150001-9 NOTE FOR THE RECMD: NO DISTRIBUTION WAS MADE OF THE ATTACHED MEMO. DCI W IN DRAFT FORM. DR. VTHEELON, AND MR. BROSS READ THIS COPY HERE IN THE OFFICE. 25X1 25X1 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80B01676R001700150001-9 Approved Fqt elease 2004/' : ft-4 8C~B01676R001700150001-9 25X1 T up 9~ 30 January 1965 SUBJECT: NRO ExCom Meeting at 4:00 p. m., 27 January 1965 1. Present were Mr. McCone, Mr. Vance, General Carter, Dr. Fubini, and Dr. McMillan. 2. The meeting opened with a general discussion of KEY- HOLE photography of the first package of 1016 and the inability to interpret exactly what the picture of the Soviet vent hole might mean. It was decided to wait for analysis of the second bucket of 1016 plus some possible KH-7 photography before taking any further action. 4 General Carter reported on the results of the flight as passed to him. just prior to the meeting. No action was required and the matter was noted with interest. (Memo attached) 5. Dr. Fubini then brought up the question of the pro- gram as to security classification for briefings on the Hill in connec- tion with the budget. Mr., McCone asked the cost of this project and PUPS 11. 25X1 25X1 25X1 25X1 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80B01676R001700150001-9 Approved Fo , elease 2004/10/27: CIA f 0B01 - 25X1 TOO No decision action was taken as to either of the two programs. I undertook to determine whether or not it was necessary to have anything other than a Secret classification for both projects since they did not involve overhead reconnaissance of denied areas. Fubini said this would help a great deal in the budget preparations if it could be done. Action: Dr. Wheelon, please take up with our Security people and make a recommendation on the security aspects. Also, please brief the Director and me on the current status of your discussions with Fubini on these systems in light of the foregoing remarks. 6. Mr. Vance then brought up the problem of discussing space and space systems on the Hill, especially when the questions involved payload. Mr. Vance stated that in appearing before Clint Anderson's Space Committee, there was considerable probing as to what was in the payloads and he, Mr. Vance, had ducked any responsive answer. General Carter stated that it would simplify our problems of security handling of payloads and contracting in this program if the United States Government would acknowledge that they were taking satellite photography. No action was taken. 7. There then followed a general discussion of the TITAN program, and Fubini staged that the TITAN III with an AGENA spacecraft would carry approximately 7200 pounds and that they called this the III-X AGENA. He stated that the TITAN III-C would 25X1 25X1 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved F9,elease 2004/ ' :V 8011676R001700150001-9 25X1 carry 25, 000 pounds and was the III-X without the AGENA but with three strapped-on boost assisters. For a polar launch it would carry only 19, 000 pounds. Although it was not quite clear from the discussion, I got the distinct impression that if it had not already been done, the DOD was phasing out the TITAN II booster but not the missile for the TITAN II. 25X1 25X1 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80B01676R001700150001-9 25X1 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Next 2 Page(s) In Document Exempt Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved Foelease 2004M P101301 - 25X1 17. Upon the departure of Dr. McMillan, General Carter told Secretary Vance that he, General Carter, was sorry if Secretary Vance had become upset or disturbed at General Carter's remarks. General Carter said that while Mr. Vance might consider the remarks intemperate, they were based on General Carter's judgment of the situation in the light of all facts available to him. General Carter stated that he felt Mr. Vance was not being adequately informed by his advisers, did not have either the full or true facts, and that the views put forward by McMillan and Fubini on which Mr. Vance was apparently basing his judgment were biased and not in the national interest. 18. Mr. Vance stated that at no time had he ever made a decision with a political bias and that everything he had ever done or said was, in his judgment, in the national interest. General 25X1 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved Foelease 2004 - P80BI 1676R001700150001-9 25X1 4w - Carter stated that he had always operated on the same principle. The meeting ended on this most unhappy note. Marshall S. Carter Lieutenant General, USA Deputy Director MSc b1~ Na d''t:nv. - c sc ~ ~~ c~~o-f} . 25X1 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 I?IB Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 25X1 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Next 4 Page(s) In Document Exempt Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved For Release 2004/10/2-0;, k P80BO16 001700150001-9 25X1 25X1 ADDENDUM #1 to M/R on Meeting w/Secty Vance - 41 Jan 65 I told Vance that 1 would like to have a statement on the appropriations provided in Fiscal 166 budget for all elements of the Intelligence Community, i.e. , NSA, crytological services, DIA, mapping, service intelligence units,, NRO, etc. Vance expressed surprise that through John Bross's staff this information was not known to me. I pointed out that of the work done by Bros s with the various units of the Intelligence -Community, it had in effect produced figures which were claims on the final budget. However what was not known by Bross or anyone else was the manner in which these claims had been tailored to the final budget figure of Vance had no knowledge of the final answer and said that he would have i c develop the figures and review them with Bross and subsequently with me. Vance said that he had received, but had not studied, my letter on the proposed schedule of overflights over Cuba which was the subject of a draft NSAM he and McNamara had prepared. I said that upon review'I had concluded that the USIB requirement was about right and since it was met in December and January by less than 8 flights per month, which seemed to be about the frequency that the McNamara/Vance NSAM was aimed at, it was my personal view that the USIB requirements as established on November 25 should stand, b%,.Possiblyl be amended with respect to the 8 flight per month limitation. I pointed/that in some months when we run into toad weather this might have to be exceeded but this would have to be with authority from the Special Group. I said that if he and McNamara wanted the present requirement established by USIB reviewed,; I would be glad to bring it up at an early USIB meeting if he so desired, but I felt it should stand for the reasons outlined. He said he would discuss this with McNamara and communicate further with me. JAM/ mfb Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 25X1 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 TAB Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 25X1 Approved For Release 2004/10/27: CIA-RDP80B01676R0700150001-9 25X1 opt 14 January 1965 SUBJECT: NRO Ex Com Meeting, 1130 hours, Tuesday, 12 January, in Secretary Vance's office PRESENT: Mr. McCone, Secretary Vance, General Carter, Dr. Fubini, and Dr. McMillan 25X1 2. This led Fubini into a discussion of drones and he indicated that an improvement package would be available in about six to eight months for the BLUESPRINGS drones which would increase its altitude to 60, 000 feet as well as increasing its range and speed. He said that the drones cost I ach. It was agreed that the project for improvement of the BLUESPRINGS drones would proceed immediately, that we would make as many feasible improvements as possible and go as far as we can to increase performance in order to get above the fighters. It: was also agreed that two more C-130's would be modified as mother ships. There was a short discussion of the status of TAGBOARD but no decisions were required or made. 3. Mr. McCone stated that he had just had a cursory glance at the FY 66 budget, and, while he could not comment in detail on it at this time, he wanted to make sure that there was nothing in the budget or in his review of it that indicated a frozen commitment on an item- by-item basis. He was assured by Secretary Vance and Dr. McMillan that %v,gg ~eW,#.W V 9ft 17e ~Z$LQ 4~~ @l A~}1 t$m e . It 25X1 25X1 Approved For Re1mse 2004/10/27 CIA-RDP8O 01676R700150001-9 was generally agreed that the budget was adequate and perhaps more than that. Mr. McCone said that if we get a reliable Iwe might not need as many I Fu ini said that NRO 25X1 it was his understanding that McCone and Vance had agree 25X1 and with an 80% confidence factor this require NRO Dr. McMillan stated that in order to get the wrinkles out of and to get some real quality control into the program he had directed that 25X1 11 fort the next six months and that experimentation with the I Iwould be delayed for 25X1 the next three months. 4. Dr. McMillan stated, in response to Mr. McConets question, that he had not looked at the E since November and he 25X1 therefore could not report on developments, but that he was being briefed next week in full and would be able to report after that. He stated that th 25X1 I and he contemplated reconvening the Land panel to make a formal review of the project. Mr. McCone and Mr. Vance both expressed their interest and stated that they intended to participate fully in this review. Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80B01676R001700150001-9 NRO 25X1 25X1 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 CIA-RD13dB01676RQ1700150001-9 7. Dr. McMillan asked me to check on the since it was his understanding that the General Electric and Lockheed contracts with the Agency had not been modified to allowl access for systems engineering. I stated that I would. (The present contracts which expire in March do include and will in- clude them when renewed. The contracts which expire in August are being continued by letter which do not include but when formal contracts are negotiated will so include it. There has been no attempt, however, to excludel rom information or access, the written contract is simply a formality. I asked Dr. Wheelon to inform Dr. McMillan accordingly. 9. Dr. McMillan stated that he had reviewed the proposed I agreement and thought it was generally all right but might need clarifying. I told him I would sign it and send it over and hoped we could get on with it in a hurry. Marshall S. Carter Lieutenant General, USA Deputy Director I' .pebQ)6Q1 icJ epgg,gp94/10/27: CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 25X1 25X1 25X1 25X1 25X1 25X1 25X1 Approved For Re, ase 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676RO 700150001-9 MSC:bec (14 Jan 65) Distribution: Cy #1 - DDCI (via DCI) Cy #2 - ER via Ex Dir Cys #3 and 4 - O/DCI Cy #5 - DD/S&T Cy #6 - D/NIPE Cy # 7 - Mr. Lundahl, D/NPIC Cy # 8 - DD/I Cy # 9 - Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 25X1 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 T/kB Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 25X1 Next 4 Page(s) In Document Exempt Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 TAB Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80B016766RR001700150001-9 'Aw 4 December 1964 Have reviewed your minutes of the NRO Executive Committee meeting and feel they are o. k. As you know, I signed the letter to Vance approving the establishment of a Study Group and Task Force on reconnaissance satellites with the caveat that I have not checked the terms of reference, but would do so and offer comments. I think CIA should appoint very competent, objective men to both the Steering Group and the Task Force. What about Rod Scott? -- if this would not involve a conflict of interest. What I want to do is to put forth top men and then examine the credentials put forth by NRO, Air Force, etc. I think the assignment of Lundahl is o. k. but it should be cleared out with Cline. The reason I brought this question up was to put a stop to McMillan's going directly to CIA staff people and not to their supervisors or superiors. I have reviewed the McMillan communication on 25X1 but I think you should discuss this with Vance. What is involved here, is an NRO decision approved by the Executive Committee to initiate a program, money set aside and contracts let and then, all of a sudden, McMillan and Fubini decide I land 25X1 therefore want to wash it out. They give no consideration, or even think about, the fact that one of the basic parts of the stud by three competent contractors E- I I don't think 25X1 that they should turn this one o unti we have at least fully explored the subject. But what is even more important, and you might tell this to Vance, is that you and I this afternoon, I Iwhich is a totally inadequate estimate because of lack of intelligence and the above- mentioned project, if successful, will close the gap. 25X1 25X1 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80B01676R001700150001-9 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 25X1 25X1 I think you can make quite a point of this as it is one more example of the theory that "two heads are better than one" -- so let's not cut off one head at this stage of the game. Dictated but not read by JOHN A. McCONE Director Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 2 December 1964 MEMORANDUM FOR ThE RECORD SUBJECT: NRO ExCorn. Meeting At 3:30 on 1 December 1964 25X1 position unequivocally tha, the NRO Ex Corn had served, and s40a,3, 1 s at this level, it was a desirable thing to do. Mz. Vance eta e with Vance but certainly in the interests of Governmental operations t d hi >rw of no requirexrient to clear the Mcivlillan report with him or even when they were contrary to Vance'*. Mr. McCone said that he Vance and presented his views to the President's Board and others questioned the appropriateness of either Vance or McLane reviewing - ~-- ----a asst to a ain present his views to the President's Board. Lit. -rubani management procedures and give necessary leadership, guidance, and support to Director, NRO. He pointed out that the report had been sent to Mr. McCone for review xr:d had not yet been delivered to the President`s Board no:r had he personally read it. Mr. McCone stated that the views expressed by McMillan were diametrically opposed to two presentations he had made to the President's Board and if the report went forward in this form. he would be constrained McJ~3amara had established 14RO ExCoai in an e#ort to improve appeared visibly shaken and it was quite apparent he was not aware of the phraseology McMillan, used. Vance agreed that be and. Mr.. 2. Mr. ivicCone opened the rnesting by quoting appropriate excerpts from McMillan's proposed report to the President's Board in connection with management procedures for the NRO. Mr. Vance 1. Present were Mr. Vance, htr? McConS, General Carter, Dr. g'ubini, and Dr. McMillan. should continue to look to it. for his guidance. Mr. McCone agreed. au continue to servo, as a very use:Eul function and that McArIi1 3. Dr. McMillan then brought eip the message In can nection with the review of photographic processing facilities around Approved For Release 2004/10127': CIA-RDP80B0l6 - 25X1 the world. lie stated that Ccdonel Ohimeler is the head of the processing facility at I am not quite sure why McMillan brought this subject up uniess he thought it was contro- versial. I pointed out that we had agreed to go ahead with this review and, specifically, that any recommendations for changes should be processed to USIB for final approval since the intel- ligence community had printry interest in this matter. (This phraseology was used also irk my :letter of concurrence.) Dr. McMillan and the others agreed that this was a proper procedure. 4. Mciv:il.lan then brought up message I in which he proposes to test determine whether or not they have an operational capability and can quality for the processing of KEYHOLE film from "womb to tomb. " (Although this had given us' some trouble initially, we have gone along with it.) I informed McMillan that we had gone along with this study and while we bad made no commitment as to the allocation of resources for future use, we would expect any substantive changes between Eastman Kodak and be thoroughly surfaced and discussed with us since we xa a major responsibility in this area. There was no objection to this procedure. 5. Mcly illan then displayed the K}[-4 mosaic of Cuba which indicates clearly that while it can be of some help in Cuban cur- veillance, it is a long cry from adequate surveillance to meet the needs of the intelligence community. 6. Mr. McCone pointed out that he had asked NPIC and the .CIA staff to conduct a thorough review of our KH-4 photography capabilities to determine means of getting more information from it as well as comparing it with U-Z photography. In response to Mr. McCones's question as to the launcher to be act up at Cape Kennedy, McMillan stated that Mr. McNamara had said if Mr. McCone's provisos were met, he. McNamara. would go along with it. It appears. therefore, that DOD will establish a launching pad at Cape Kennedy although it has not yet been programitm ed. 7. General Carter then passed out the SKYLARK status report which did not generate any substantive discussion. Approved For Release 2004/10/27: CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 25X1 8. Yubini then reported on some budget adjustments he had made with the Bureau of the 'Budget. (:please note that these 25X1 25X1 25X1 25X1 25X1 25X1 were unilateral adjustments and apparently unknown to Vance and Mr. McCone.) Fubini said he reduced the drone purchase from twenty to fifteen and felt sure that this would not technical appliances connected thetrewith. le said they had knocked -- contract to a white contract aaui. intended to make some savings in give CIA any trouble. He said they had transferred the 417 weather Dr. McMillan continued to be evasive and both Fobini and Vance expressed concern as to just where the program stood. Mr. McCone canted out that he and Vance had agreed to go ahead oni 25X cussion of just what the programming and funding status was. 25 I his thee brought up a die. I off F J. e.. fund the developmental stage in the neighborhood o then take a good. hard look at it with t h e experts a n d whether to go forward McMillan was directed to lsy, out a schedule of various points of development at which decisions can be made on proceeding or can celing. (We must be sure to follow up on this. ) however, suffering terininaUon costs in the event of cessation. t)r. iubini was finally abbe to pin MclAillan down to the fact that re were a number of checkpoints at which the program could be reviewed and decisions could be node on whether or not to proceed -- probably, Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved F% elease 2004/10/27 CIA-RDP80BO1676J 001700150001-9 k! F, ri FS 10. Mr. A.acCone then referred to the proposed establishment steeri=:g group and a. task force to look into. overall recon- 25X1 25X1 naiseance requlrenients and plane as proposed in a letter from Vance to hJcCone and as already implemented by 4 message from Mtchlillan. Mr. McCone stated his feeling that this task force, if organized, should not duplicate nor overlap studies and areas of responsibility of other Covtiernrvent agencies. He specifically mentioned USIB and COMDR. He referred to the fact that ha-d already been turned over to contractors for eve opment and that these two atadies should not be included in the task force and steering group analysis and that research and develop- ment currently ,.inder way with contractors should not be disturbed. He said, therefore, that the terms of reference of the task force and the steering group needed to be revised to accord to his desires and he would look forward to seeing the proposed revisions. He also stated his concern that Director. NRC), was. addressing invitations directly to Lundahl, the Director of MPIC, when Lundahl was in a chain of ccnamand which included Cline. Carter, and himself, Mr. McCoue. Such invitations, he said, should therefore come to the Director of Central Intelligence. Mr. Vance pointed out his agree- ment to Mr. .I tcCone's concerns? Dr. Fubini stated that this task force In fact had been generated by a JCS statement of military regturement for a quick reaction satellite, a requirement based on statements from SAC. The JCS wasted teckaical advice from the NR.C) as to whether or not this could be done and Dr. Fubini said he would try to lot therm know by February 1965. Dr. Fubini made it clear that the whole purpose of the steering group and task force was to address itself to this problem and Mr. McCone pointed out, in accordance with his draft letter, that there might well be other areas that the task force and steering group could look to in the overall interests of the reconnaissanco program. (Mr. Mc Cone should forward to Vance his written response as contained draft from which he read.) 25X1' 25X1 25X1 25X1 Approved For Relea U. Dr. McMillan reported on Table V - J?58 engine require- scents and stated that Colonel Ledford t the re+qui:ran en~ were getting together to determine just to cone to an agreement an reco.e irnendations as to how we procaeed 41, MM3arshiU S. Carter Lieutenant General, USA Dep+aty Director MSC? blp Distribution: Copy 1 - I)CI Copy ?- - l)DCI Copy 3 - DD/S&T Copy 4 - ilI NIP E: Copy 5 - LM via ExDir Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 T)/ B Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 25X1 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 25X1 Approved For. elease 2 MEMORANDUM FOR THE DIRECTOR SUBJECT: Next NRO i Com Meeting 076R001700150001-9 16 October 1964 1. You and Secretary Vance agreed that the NRO '65 budget program would be discussed at next Tuesday's NRO #xCom meeting on 20 October. 2. You will recall that at the previous meeting on the '65 NRO budget you had available staff rr.embers to assist you, specifically Bross and Wheelon. 3. I cannot urge too strongly that you have Bross and Wheelon attend this upcoming meeting and that whatever other staff assist- ants, such as John Clarke or rr;errsbers of DD/S&T as may be necessary, also attend. You are entitled to the same budgetary advice as anyone else. 4. Attached is your memorandum of 23 July to McMillan on the '65 plan (Tab A), his response of August 14th (Tab B), Wheelon's comments of 25 August (Tab Q. You will recall that Secretary Vance and I had agreed that we should continue the '65 budget presentations as soon as we were able to do so upon your return. This appears to be the first opportunity. 5. Specifically as regards: Wheelon's memo of 25 August, ray comments on the following numbered paragraphs are: Paragraph 1: Agree Paragraph 2: Agree Paragraph 3: Restoration of funds to Program B is considered to be a major, unfinished problem. 25X1 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R0017001 25X1 Approved FoiRelease 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO167,6R001700150001-9 Para raph 4: YE bile 'Vance has agreed to sending the organization to the West Coast, he has made no commitment to funding the contracting through Program B. This remains to be agreed. Paragraph 5: I think this needs further technical analysis. Paragraph 6: Agree Paragraph 7: Agree Paragraph 8: Agree. Paragraph 9: Agree Paragraph 10: Needs considerably more information before you are in a position to comment. Paragraph 11: This is a very fuzzy area for which we do not seem to be getting proper answers from NRO. Paragraph 12: Agree. We have inadequate information upon which you can base a decia_on. Paragraph 13: Agree Paragraph 14: Paragraph 15: In, view of SKYLARK and the extraordinary measures being taken. in this program, I feel quite certain that the program funds will be inadequate. Paragraph 16: 'While the conversion pro razn has been agreed, I am not up to date on its progress. s preparing a status report on this. 25X1 25X1 25X1; Approved For R ease - 0B01676RO01700150001-9 Approved For,,,aelease 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Paragraph 17: No problem Paragraph 18: As regard* the funding problem at the moment has been solved although the interference by McMillan in the managerial aspects remains a continuing problem? Paragraph 19: No comment Paragraph 20: No comment Marshall S. Carter Lieutenant General, USA Deputy Director Distribution: Copy I - DCI err/attachcaeiits py 2 - DDCI Copy 3 - Executive Director Copy 4 - DD/ S&T Copy 5 - D/RIPE 25X1 25X1 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO11676R001700150001-9 25X1 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 TAB Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 25X1 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Next 1 Page(s) In Document Exempt Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 TAB Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 25X1 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Next 2 Page(s) In Document Exempt Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 ILLEGIB Approved F elease 2004/10/27 :CIA-RDP80 25X1 25X1 25`X1 0167 001700150001-9 8. Dr. McMillan stated that the manner in which Wheelon was letting contracts without McMilian's prior approval prevented McMillan from conducting an, objective review as well as injecting his own thinking into the projects. He added that this procedure also prevented the contractors from contributing anything such as new ideas into the program. lie stated that this was a Wheelon project and that the contractors were inhibited in adding their talented contributions and thoughts to the basic idea. 9. General Carter stated that it was incomprehensible to him , how five high -paid Government officials could be continually, arlZuing about the precise management arrangements for a program, when other programs costing vrithin the NRC) bad little if any supervision at all, especta y trom these officials. ILLEGIB pB01676R001700150001-9 Approved Foelea~ 10. Mr. McCone stated his complete and total disgust with the entire NRO arrangements and especially with the arrogant intransigence of Dr. McMillan. He said he could not see how. NRO could ever work properly with Dr. McMillan in charge of the program. He stated that Dr. McMillan's activities throughout their association had bordered on deceit in many instances. Dr. - - 25X1 25X1 25'X1 ......,....- ____ -..--- - his fair-haired boy Wheelon, and that Dr. McMillan rotectin g p had asked for such statements in writing. Mr. McCone stated that as far as he was concerned, the Department of Defense had ne ed on the basic NRO .agreement as well as subsequent agree- 16 60001700150001-9 re merits he had made in good faith with Vance, Fubini, and McMillan and that he, Mr. McCone, was thoroughly fed up with the whole procedure. There was no further comment and the subject was changed. 11. Mr. McCone distributed copies of the weekly SKYLARK report but no discussion ensued. 12. General Carter asked Dr. McMillan's assistance in getting some of the new fast eo that the could work on it General e3 i m from Carter stated twat IIhad been unable to get any o He h' pointed our. nique depended in arse measure on this fast film which was alleged to be 60% faster than anything presently in existence and perhaps might even have a factor of two to four times as great. He said while he could understand some reluctance on the part of because of proprietary interests, it should be noted that is not in the film manufacturing business and that there could well be some other reason for failing to provide the film. Dr. McMillan stated that he was sure the only reason was that the film was not available in sufficient quantity but that he would look into it and see what could be done. 25X1 676R001700150001-9 ILLEGIB 25X1 25X1:: 25X1; 25X1 25X1 ILLEGIB, Approved Fc ele4 16,76~R001700150001-9 25X1 14. The meeting then broke up in general disarray. Marshall S. Carter Lieutenant General. USA Deputy Director MSC: b1p Distribution: Copy 1 - DCI Copy 2 DDCI Copy 3 - D/ NIPE Approved For Releal Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 T/kB Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 25X1 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved F elease 2004/10/27: CIA-RDP80BO167W001700150001-9 4. 1 stated that I had not seen the panel report on security but that if CIA members had agreed to it and as soon as I had checked it out in the Agency with my own Security people and it gave me no problem. I was prepared to accept it. I stated. however, that this was not prejudging the merits of having Greer complete the three contracts in question. McMillan said he took -a. dim view of holding up' projects on the basis of security when in was not the matter questioned. I stated clearly for it y fact secur the record that, so far as I knew, the Director had not authorized any changes of any kind in the CORONA Program and that it had 25X1 been agreed that no changes would be made without DCI approval. This included contracts as well as security procedures. I further _ hat ~ s 4e? i 25X1 I had reiterated this state meent. confirmed that this was his understanding and this w:ts the bass for a letter he had fur- ld d to .wished McMillan. I stated that I had called McMillan an conversation with F----]and that there should have 25X1 hi f xr y m o nderetasndin McMillan then quoted from a letter i su been nor 25X1 Greer had gotten from I tending to substantiate McMfllar-'e claim that Mr. McDonald. our contracting officer, had instructed 25X1 I Inot to sign the contracts. I stated I had not seen the t __.. ld'S instructions to Lockheed were McDona identical with my instructions to that it would }ilea sure 25X1 me to get a copy of the IILetter. cmillan said he would furnish me a copy. McMillan on said that it was his clear 25X1 understanding that taking I Ion in the CORONA Program included adjustment of the systems integration and systems engineering contract with Lockheed so that it would be an Air Force contract. He stated that it involved nineteen people out of Lockheed and that the contract had reviously been Air F'orce's All he wanted to do now but last year had been handled by had id this l an sa was to get it back under Air Force auspices. McMil 25X1 was part and parcel of the unction and he could not operate without it under Aix Force auspices. I stated that I had ntion of authorizing this kind of contract without Mr. t i n e na McCone's approval and, further, I had no intention of establishing the kind of CIA backstopping and input that had previously been agreed on the West Coast wader these circumstances. I stated Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 200 25X1 Approved Focelease 2004/10127 : CIA-RDP80B016Z,001700150001-9 25X1 25X1 that participation in the CORONA Program was a two-way street and required not only clean intent but cooperation as well. I stated that I bad no intention whatsoever of building up a CIA asset an the West Coast to leave it out in left field and that it was my clear understanding that we had agreed to consolidate the CIA assets under to have a definite and clear-cut input into the CORONA Program across the boards and, specifically, to cover the entire payload w1rxich was CIA responsibility. Fubird_ interjected at this point to indicate that I was welching on a prior agreement and that the understanding was purely to send one or two men to the West Coast to work with Greer's organization to learn more about the program and increase their competence. ? I refused to accept the word "welching" and required him to with- draw it which he did threefold. McMtllan stated that it was his understanding that I was to develop a plan by which and others would go to the West Coast. I stated that I had such a plan but the Director had Left, in such a hurry on his trip that I had not had time to clear it with him; that as soon as he returned I would develop the full particulars and inform the Executive Conunittee of what we plan to do. I reiterated that I was not pre- pared to establish a group or., the 'West Coast to "watch the parade go by, " but that they would have full responsibility for all security and all contracting presently handled by CIA and, in addition,,they would sign off on and deliver a complete payload to the agency responsible for tying it into the booster and firing it. In addition, they would follow along throughout the entire process to ensure that the marriage was properly consummated. I stated that I was not reneging on Mr. McCone's prior reluctant acceptance of the majority view to Val in the act although. we were still of the opinion it was a bad idea. I stated that I was not agreeing to the Stellar Index Camara changes at this time because samy main concern was the col- lection of intelligence and that we had had a remarkably successful CORONA Program throughout the months since k "y. It was my under- standing that the changes proposed for SIC would probably not be effective until late next spring and that they were designed primarily to augment a military mapping program.. Fubini confirmed this and I said I was not prepared to take the risk of messing up a good intelligence collection .program until our technicians and Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 ILLEGIB 25X1 25X1 experts had fully signed off on the now proposals as being totally feasible and in keeping with intelligence collection. McMillan said he had written in June of 1963 to Greer and Ledford, telling them to get on board this program and work jointly on it and that CIA bad had every opportunity to be a full participant in the new program but, had been uncooperative throughout. I reiterated my position that I was not here to indulge in vituperation and histrionics but I was here to protect the interests of the intel- ligence community and I was not convinced that this type of activity would so protect it. 5. Vance asked me to take a look at the panel report on security handling of the contracts at the Advanced Projects Area and if this gave me no problem. to see if I could not go along with the systems integration transfer to Lockheed as an Air Force contract and the small harderare contract. I told him if it did not involve the payload which nobody seemed to know). I would discuss it with my people and see if it gave us a problem. McMillan said it was his belLef that it did not in any way involve the payload but was purely the systems engineering of tying the payload into the booster. However, he was not sure of this and would have to check it him self. As can be seen from the fort- ,going. the discussion was relatively inconclusive and I made no commitments except to look at the problems in the light of this discussion. Action: DDIS&T to advise me so that we can thoroughly clue in Mr. McCune prior to any other meetings. Also, advise .me as to any agreements we have made on security handling in connection with the panel report mentioned by Dr. McMillan. Also, to got the copy of the Lockheed letter and analyze it as to facts. It is perfectly apparent that NRO and McMillan are keeping very close book on all of the CIA actions .and responses to their requests. Approved For Relea 01700150001-9 ILLEGIB; 25X1 25X1 Approved FoLRplease 2004/10/27: CIA-RDP80BO1676R 7. Dr. McMillan handed. me an envelope containing a copy of the memorandum to Dr. 1theelon reference I asked if I should read it now or take it back with me. Mr. Vance said It did not snake any difference since it had already gone. This indicates clearly that Mc .iillan's memo to Wheeloh was cleared in advance by Vance. I did not read it at the table but merely took the envelope. Action: DDCI to talk to DCI. This again throws in the gauntlet on how DCI intends to operate the DD/S&T to prepare briefing memo for DC! Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 se 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO167 001700150001-9 with particular reference to the memo signed by Mr. McCone directing DDIS&T in specific detail how they were to conduct the program. 8. 1 distributed copies of the 28 September report on talus There was no particular discussion except s LAft 25X1 Y Fubini pointed out on the page of "Decisions" that items 3 and 10 - - - ----ti__'-- o... 11,a .,tw Af electronic countermeasures had been obtained whereas in fact ld them that a COMDR estimate had indicated I t d o none existe . the necessity of making from three to six flights almonnthly through- general coverage of out the next calendar year to get the "me the U- ;'s as required by USIB, and that this would total 53 suc- cessful flights from November through October. 25X1 10. bring the conference Mr. Sylvester asked Mr. Vance for permission to send Pentagon accredited foreign press to the demonstration at Edwards. After some discussion, he and I agreed this would be all right. 11. 1 discussed the subject of -x.dth Mr. Vance and he agreed that we ahoul go ahead an ` y' m Without 25X1 ILLEGIB. . Approved For Re ass - Approved Foe /s/ Marshall S. Carter Lieutenant General, USA Acting Director MSC:blp Distribution: Copy 1 - DCI Copy 2 - DDCI Copy 3 DD/S&T Copy 4 - D/ NIPE Copy 5 - ER via Executive Director. Copy 6 - EA/ DDCI ILLEGIB, Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80B01676R001700150001-9 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 TAB Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 ILLEGIB Approved 676R ,001700150001-9 11 September 1964 25X1 ILLEGIB MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD SUBJECT: NRO ExCom Meeting at 3:30 p. m., on Thursday, 10 September PRESENT: Mr. McCone, Secretary Vance, Dr. McMillan, and General Carter 1. The meeting opened with distribution to each member of a copy of "SKYLARK Status Report for Week Ending 4 Sep- tember. " Each member read the entire report thoroughly and questions were asked and answered b those resent. Great interest was shown in the report. fications and estimated completion dates and to include a listing of the actual modifications required. The general consensus was that modifying to U-2H was probably as far as we should go. Action: Colonel Ledford to prepare such a plan and show it to by Colonel Ledford. This plan is to develop a schedule of modz- t was also agree a e y Johnson should be Mn orm iat the Executive Committee of NRO laid great stress on this project and was following it closely on a weekly basis through the SKYLARK weekly reports. Action: DD/S&T to follow up on the above two requirements and report results. 2. The future U-2 program was then discussed and it was generally agreed that the best solution to the problem would be to modify existing SAC aircraft on a reasonable turn-in basis without establishing a crash production line -- say on the basis of modifying four per year. It was also agreed that we should see whether or not some other contractor was in a position to do the work on a much cheaper basis than Lockheed. Both of these agreements are to be considered in a plan to be submitted Approved For ILLEGIB. Approved For 76R001700150001-9 General Carter prior to any further action with the NRO Executive Committee. Action: The charts used by Colonel Ledford at the prior briefing were supposed to have been reproduced, at my direction, on 8 x 10 sheets and provided all members of the Executive Committee. Mr. Vance was provided some sort of photographic copy about 3 x 4 inches, and these were not satis- factory. I gave him the book of 8 x 10 reproductions provided me by DD/S&T and he retained that book. I want to know why my instructions were not comp:ied with, and soon. 25X1 25X1 25X1 25X1 3. Dr. McMillan then briefed on the problems causing the I and indicated that they centered around command and control instructions being reliably received -- apparently electrical malfunctions of some sort. The latest date 5. Dr. McMillan reported that he did not yet have signa- tures of all members of the Land Committee on the Land report but that it was generally encouraging as to the prospects for Certainly he was all ready to proceed on a Phase I type of oper- ation, and it was agreed that when the final Land report was sub- mitted, Dr. McMillan would review it and report to the Executive Committee prior to going ahead with any big program. 6. Mr. McCone then reported that in following up on sug- gestions made at previous meetings of the Executive Committee, a plan had been developed to establish a small CIA element to assist General Greer by having this element co-located with General Greer and conduct CIA CORONA activities on the West 25X1 ILLEGIB Approved For 4elease 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80B0176R001700150001-9 ILLEGI'B 301 25'X1 Mr. Mc Cone said he contemplated having { erations. in addition to being the head of the would also provide a single point of contact for Greer and for Washington on CIA CORONA matters. He would provide advice. and guidance to General Greer, would be responsible for all CIA contracting and all securit responsibilities. In addition, he would control the CIA . 25X1 All of this was designed to give a single cohesive input to the CORONA program from the CIA and to revit 1erQ'fr, p~,arpa do as;bt ragram. would b Gral Greer. would h ve ~,~ FKgea ry namon back to the DD/S&T here in Washington so that he could obtain additional advice, guidance, and assistance from our Head uarters competence as might be 25X1 needed. We might augment by the assignment of a couple of additional technical people at a later date. Mr. Mc Cone pointed out that the successful operation of this plan required a clear-cut understanding of the Executive Committee as well as clear-cut instructions to Greer. I stated that these instructions should include participation of the CIA in all contractor/ supplier meetin s a satisfactory working relationship with g 25X1 ho now has a systems engineering role, and a firm position in the Configuration Control Board or whatever new coordination mechanism is established for the system. Mr. Vance and Mr. Mc Cone agreed that the veto concept of the Configuration Control Board was not working properly and that the Control oard, O-~t g ~~ rot in acrrec,mPnt should vs to e rear decisiona~srJClrrtht-eerent"iese`a e ' y Waste -l l') All of these points seemed to be agreed by one present but it was decided that I would prepare a memo ever y for Dr. McMillan establishing the working relationships as we see them and proposing the type of guidance General Greer should receive from Dr. McMillan. Such a memo is being prepared and I will furnish the Executive Committee copies of it. Action: 25X1 25X'1 5X1 General Carter to prepare appropriate memo. ILLEGIB Approved F r Release 2004/10/27: CIA-RDP80B01 76R0017001500011-9 in place in several weeks to be in charge of the C .. ei-i :icon rnig~rt 3 e-_tv-i,e-m&de---ba the ILLEGIB . , r. Approved a ease - 16Z 001700150001-9 25X1 7. Mr. McCone then brought up the p of competing contracts being negotiated by General Greer He specifically mentioned ^? 25X1 25X1 25X1 25X1 . ns s and that Greer may have misunderstoo McCone said that a senior executive of I I whom he knew indicated that he may have been responsible for Green's actions Mr. tructions i d hi had telephoned him inquiring as to a proposed con- ersonally , p h a eared to be in direct competition with hi c ith Greer w tract w Uk! a CIA pro ram Dr. McMillan 7-r 4-J he contract and would look t # y ac e of this said he was not awar into it right away. Mr. Mc Cone pointed out that we had alread contracted for a backup study - ~ __ .. a s one o `'9 a y s w 1 P one required by CIA until McMillan reports back. N-tL C44U -4L re orted back to the next Executive Committee meeting. Action: C" y. h ~ d-Sig e to do would like to have this gone into thoroughly by Dr. McMillan and. pnsitiQu..Ahksi two separate agencies ~'-e negotiati c cq XII-q X 1- 4-u He said he c ensure success, he thought encourage the greatest diversity in thinK projects in uruar 8. There was general discussion of the USIB actions at the morning meeting same date, particularly with regard to the crisis satellite. Nothing new was added that had not already been discussed at USIB. Both M:r. McCone and Mr. Vance thought that, perhaps we were looking at the same target too often in the Soviet Union and Dr. McMillan confirmed that he had the same impression. In other words, we should be careful that COMOR was not getting into a repetitive rut, doing the same thing over and over again with inadequate imagination as to new areas, new targets, and frequency of observation. Action: please take a look at this and give me an informal memo. Marshall S. Carter Lieutenant General, USA Deputy. Director -"Dictated but not read by General Carter ~1LLEGIB Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80B01676R001700150001-9 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 TAB Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved Fo elease 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO16Z 001700150001-9 25X1 1 September 1964 MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD . SUBJECT: NRO Ex Cora Meeting, 3:00 to 4:00 p.m. 1 September 25X1 Present were: Mr. McCune? Mr. Vance, General Carter, Dr. McMillan, and Dr. Iubini decision. reproduced in miniature -- ft x 10 -- and provided to the members of Ran Corny. There was considerable clarifying discussion without major lity of the CIA. He also compared the operational capabilities of the 11-2 with those of the A?12. (Thee charts for this briefing are to be 1. Colonel Ledford, the Director of Program S of the NRO, presented to the Committee his views on the upcoming requirements for Q-''s for overhead reconnaissance of denied areas as a respoasibl- Mr. McCone expres.js.d the opinion that we should undertake conversion program rather than establishing a new production line and this appeared to be generally agreed by all. No decision was taken however, because Mr. Vance wished to review the charts at greater length, particularly the one. on cast and capabilities of the various U-2 types and the one on possible options. It was agreed to review the matter at the meeting next week and probably take decision them ACTION: Colonel Ledford to reproduce and distribute the charts on as possible and prepare any recommendations for my use for be meeting next week. Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved Focelease 2004/10/27: CIA-RDP80B0166R001700150001-9 ILLEGIB subordinate echelons of another agency. no said that We cwtvwx 01-C Z. Mr. Vance then brought up the subject of CORONA contracting, and pointed out that there had been a misunderstanding as between the meeting of August llth and the meeting of August 26th concerning transfer of contracting responsibility for CORONA, but that he thought this mis- understanding had been cleared up by the exchange of correspondence between himself and General Carter. Mr. McCone then stated that the problem was much more basic than the simple transfer of contract responsibility. H. said he k"d a tressed himself in prior memoranda to Mr. McNamara and to n an organisational changes of the NRO as proposed by the President's Board, and that be was firm in the positions stated therein. He felt that the NRO organization was basically wrong and that it crested impossible situations when an official of one agency was placed in the position of giving orders to and directing worked perfectly when an agency head had overall responsibility for a program and was able to teak other agencies as complete entities for r- thous of that a resno neibility. Be said, therefore. that the NRC1 a aheiulcl be organized so that the CIA with its competence could be tasked 1 for certain responsibilities and that the Air Forces with its competence t ztie+slarly the Systernns Command) could be tasked for other teepee:' ? Be stated that obviously the authority xna,-et accompany, cedarponsibi - lili s e . Iity. Be said that the NRO with a staff of and General Greer, h t 25X1 an the West Coast, with a staff of perhaps c could not possibly ma 25X1 1C-1. i r?as in depth and competence true trexn*n ua assets of enexs and until the entire NRO organizational Concept was worked out properly. interest of the intelligence collection program. Mr. McCone then said that he would propose no changes in any of our existing procedures unless o procedure as a ~ttly established if uns was Sr. hda~ a aau iFS+..I.,0L .. . - -_- - ---s s& --- sLe..~I.,..s anrs.akA th&t the con.. management concepts he was prepared to continue the CORONA contracting ? is desixe: t; - - - and Mr. M stated ? t aCcordagge W 1-%L1 SA RS 25X1 he would probably cut the -cost of the program by Be 25X1 stated that he would relue:antl accept the decision 25X1 Mr. Mc one are agree o tals - y astxnu nt... F.>.... -~,....~ ..Pa, _ - - - _- - - tracting responsibilities wn)uld remain as currently assigned. Dr. McMifls -- . - .. - - -...J__ s..~ !"[n'Q4 nNA at week Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80B01676R001700150001-9 25X1 Approved Foelease 016WO01700150001-9 After the meeting, Mr. McCune directed me to take these actions ILLEGIB He said he wanted to enter s new y developing oping phase with complete and total objectivity and to provide the greatest possible assistance to the CORONA program. ACTION: I have already already -discussed this matter with DD/S&T and they will present me a first draft of a plan by 2:00 p.m. tomorrow for discussion with Mr. McCone prior to his departure. 3. Mr. McCone "ported that as a result of his directive of August 14 to Dr. Wheelon and my following directive of 27 August which he had approved. Dr. 'Yt'heelon had prepared his comprehensive plan of action for He said that in keeping with his responsibilities or eepiug ea O Ex Corn informed. he herewith handed over to each Ex Corn member a copy of the plan he had approved for These were handed out but of read at the meeting. 4. Upon being asked by Mr. McCone when the Land report L- I ` would be ready. Dr. McMillan stated be had received it this afternoon and that Land had asked him to get the signatures of the other Panel members on It. Until this was done. be did not feel free to give the report. any general distribution but said he would furnish Mr. McCune a copy for his information as soon as be got back to his office. 5. Mr. McCone reported on the OXCART directive for a SKYLARK capability by early November and stated that he had arranged for a weekly report so that the NRO Ex Corn would be kept currently advised of progress. ACTION: DD/S&T to prepare this report for presentation each week. 6. As Mr. McCone was leaving the meeting, he reminded Dr. Fubini to read and absorb the two memoranda to which he had referred earlier, with a possible view to discueising them at the meeting next week. Dr. E ini held up, the papers and said, TIE 0 mean thee see ? " and ~. 1004 C T. Mr. McCone replied, "No. I mean my memoranda to to, McNamara those you have there are already Approved For Release 2004/10/27: CIA-Kul, Lieutenant eneral, Deputy Director Approved For, lease 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO167,6 001700150001-9 Distribution: Copy 1 - DCI 2 - DDCI 3 - DD/S&T 4 OSA 5 - Ex Dir via ER 6 - D/NIPE Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 TAB Approved For Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RDP80BO1676R001700150001-9 Approved Foeleas 27 August 1964 25X1 25X1 MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD SUBJECT: NRO ExCom Meeting of 26 August 1. Present were Secretary Vance, myself. Dr. Fubini, and Mr. Kiefer. Both Fubini and Vance had left a speech- writing meeting in order to hold the PRO ExCorn meeting which lasted one hour. 2. Vance asked if there was any unfinished business that we needed to discuss other than the FY '65 and '66 budgets. Flee felt that most of the NRO problems could eventually be solved by this type of informal discussion between Vance and in epteznbeer and October of '64. FabinI stated that at previous to contract for the CORONA payload, than fund8 should bee avai1- ablee since present funds cover only the contracts that terminate might discuss today. I pointed out that if CIA I. going to continue advisers and that before proceeding with the remainder of the program, those briefings should be hold. Vance agreed but asked specifically if there was anything on the budget that we for additional briefings for Mr. McCemo, myself, and our had been built up over the ;past several years, and a change in these relationships would not occur overnight. Vance agreed and said we should work toward theme objectives. 3. 1 pointed out to Vance that the response from Mc}4ililan to Mr. McCone'e budget mernaranduzu clearly indicated the need with NRO was the attitude and the frustrations to the Agency rimr. i agreed in part but pointed out that the major probtem meetings Mr. McCone had reluctantly agreed that since we majority wanted as Systems Manager for CORONA. he had reluctantly gone along with it but pointing out his distaste ILIEGIB Appro~ 25X1 established be utilised in all pertinent NRO programs. Fubini denied that we had the comet once, especially on the West Coast, and stated that to all, intents and purposes the Agency elease - B016Z,001700150001-9 25X1 25X1 25 Proararn B. I stated that I felt it was essential that the high exercise included the transfer of contracting responsibility to Approved F or the procedure. Fubini amid that the whole package for this Greer should do it. Upon being questioned by Vance; Fubini pointed out that it was not absolutely necessary to transfer the was an unsatisfactory arrangement for him and he wanted one individual who could be responsible to him and to Mr. McCone for a complete program. Us thought that this should be Greer and that if it required Greer to do the contracting as well, then Coordination Board activities and Vance pointed out that this contracting to Greer although it vas probably neater to do so. 4. 'Mr. Vance read from. a memorandum for record dated 12 August by tcMUlan in which McMillan stated that Mr. Mc Cone's agreement on accepting an 3 sterns Manager also Approved For - 80BOl 676RO01 700150001-9 25X1 ILLEGIB Approved F . cons er for Tuesday morning and I charged .ilia/S&T (OSA) with preparing an up-to-date briefing on this .matter. mee 4.4 g a +4 of the A-l2 fleet. This meeting is tentatively set an this matter both as to requirements and as to costs a avallabilitiess. Vance agreed to have this presented at the tin r~eea Tuesday and thought that it should also include to Most CIA needs. H-iowetverr, he said that what we needed first was a areq~atrements study to indicate just vet the needs were and that he had heard nutty varying figures, I pointed out that before we made the final decision an conversion or new produc- tion, I wanted the committee to hear the analysis we havemad* were satisfied that a delineation of workload and responsibilities was agreed by Mr. McCone. Dr. Fubini pointed out that, much to his horror. SAC was building a very fancy system for proces sing R-l2 photography and that it had gone so far before he lcntew about it that he could not stop it. I "de no coca ment. b. 1 then stated that as decision must be made very soon as to whether we are going to convert W VC U.?2'e to CIA modifica- tions for the CIA inventory or whether -we were going to purchase U-2L's. Vane said he had already made the decision to tr lace SAC U-2'e with RD-57's would take a look at the proposal to send personnel from the Agency out to be advisory in Greer. 5. I then m entioneed that we continue to have problems as between the allocation of responsibility from # RG to eastman Kodak and Westover, particularly since there appears to be a steadily increasing workload an Eastern Kodak while we are required to hold them to a fixed personnel ceiling. I said that this is a problem that rust be resolved and that we would not be have to check it out with m?ir records an wy , __ .~ ... x P0B016Z001 700150001-9 included the contract changes as proposed in. Mc Ulan's original tago. This vas all news to trio and I told Mr. Vance I would par d i r c Cone. Approved 676R001700150001-9 Aiproved For Release 2004/10/27: CIA-RDP80B01676R001700150001-9 25X1 8. I then referred to the letter that I had sent Mr. Vance reference speed trials using 121 or 129 and he agreed that from what I had said, this prop mal would not work. In this connection. Fubini oven ed nn ffe3 that Vance had not clued him in on my letter. .C then told Vance that I was taking neces- sary action to ensure that the highest priority activities of the entire OXCART system would be placed on achieving an oper- ational capability with four aircraft at mach 2.8/80. 000 feet, refueling in flight, and operating entirely from and that nothing else in the programs would be allowed to interfere with meeting this requirement. Vance agreed and Fubw pointed out that we should not be too arbitrary on the 2.8 mach since Kelly Johnson had told him he was having difficulty making this figure with that number of aircraft. 25X1 25X1 Distribution: i< r.ball S. Carter L: leutenant General, USA Acting Director Original - DCI Copy 3 - 1313/ S&T COPY 5 - ER ,C )py 2 - DDCI Copy 4 - AD/ c ec b jN , Q L Apprnvpd Fn Release 2004/10/27 : CIA-RD 25X1