DISCUSSION WITH THE DIRECTOR OF CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE ON DEPUTY DIRECTOR/RESEARCH, 0930, 1 OCTOBER 1962

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• Publication Date: October 1, 1962
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UBJ CT: .Disc a.ssion with the Director of Central Intelligence oat
Deputy Director/Research, 0930, 1 October 1964
I. The DCx opened the subject by saying that he was seeing
Scoville later this :morning and that he was still not convinced that the
present organizational setup was correct. I told him that the matter
la- been studied over a considerable period of time and that the logical
organization left 031 in the DD/I area and TSD in the D.DIP. He said
that he was still not convinced. He said that he thought the Soviets
were constantly beating us in the scientific and technical field, and
that he w convinced that scientific and technical collection would
aux pass that by agents. He went on to say that in his lengthly experi-
ence in the engineering and scientific fields he had never seen an
organizational setup like the one we now have which was successful.
4. He then asked the status of the Advisory Council which he
-~ianted to have set up. I told hire that I had tried on several occasions
to get 'Scoville to take action to set this up, but that I consistently got
the response that inasmuch as he didn't have either OSI or TSD under
him, that he saw little purpose in setting u such a council. I told bun
that consequently I had asked to take over this action and STAT
that I hoped very shortly we would be able to submit to him for his ap-
l royal candidates for such a council which would work with Scoville as
a top level scientific council. I noted that this would supersede the
group and would be the top level bony in the Agency.
3. The DCI then said that he felt our whole scientific effort was
both unimaginative and not sufficient) aggressive and didn't make its
weight felt in the government,
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1. He went on to say that in the entire time that he had been
Director he had never heard either I'elms or Cline raise scientific or
technical matters. He said that in fact the only senior officer that had
discussed such items with him (aside from Scoville. I assume) was
eldoa, who had talked to him about COMINT and ELINT matters.
He said that he fell our whole effort was very dissipated, that STAT
was floating around in it, that there was GMIAIC and JAEIC, and he
dxtn't understand where they got their guidance. I said that I assumed
i'heelon, who was Chairman of GMAIC, got his guidance from Cline
and that as head of JAEIC, got his guidance from 'heelon
and, where appropriate, Scoville. He reiterated that he didn't think
Cline paid much attention to scientific or technical matters.
5. 1 asked whether he had seen any improvements or changes
for the better and he said that he hadn't and that he hadn't changed his
views and had been telling me these same things since January. I said
that it view of the fact that he was meeting with Scoville this morning
that I hoped these organizational issues would not be matters to be dish
cussed, noting that Scoville had made no mention to either the DDCI or
myself of leaving the Agency, but that this did not necessarily signify
his present feelings, because he hadn't in the past talked to either of
us on this subject. The DCI said that he didn't care whether it was
Scoville or who headed DD/R just so the place was organized properly
an" the job done correctly. T e said he had no intention of discussing
it with Scoville, but that he thought that he should sit down with General
Carter and myself and thrash the entire matter out. I told him that I
found his views on :feeling that the Agency still wasn't performing satis-
factorily in the scientific and technical field far more convincing than
any of the jurisdlct:.onsl arguments put out by Scoville. He said he
would like to poll the Executive Committee and determine why each of
them felt that this organization was satisfactory. I noted that there
was no Executive Committee meeting today; he said he had no intention
of conducting such a poll because it was General Carter's responsibility
to run the Agency.
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