LETTER TO MR. DAVID GELMAN FROM ALLEN W. DULLES

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Dear Mr. Ge.bean:
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I have given careful consideration to the list of gueetion&
you furnished to Camel Grogan in your letter of 15 August 1960,
and for your ease in handling this material I se attaching a copy
of your list of questions, each followed by my response thereto.
You will find that, for certain obvious reasons, I have not
been able to be fully responsive to some of the queries you have
raised but I hope, nevertheless, that you will find my ?moments
helpful.
Sincerely,
Allen W. Dulles
Director
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List of questions
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A Mr. David Gelman of the NEW
1. QUSSUOIN: Can yu define the role of the CIA: a) in gmneral
b) in the formulation of American foreign poliqy a) as to its
seVarate functions of collecting and evaluating intelliS0000?
ANSWER: a. Attaohed is a copy of the National SeenritcrAct
of 1947, as amended, which established the Central Intelligeme
Agency. This reflects the jurisdiction, responsibilities
limitations placed upon the Agency.
b. The C/A does not formulate United States foreign
policy.
0. The CIA coordinates, correlates and evaluate*
information received from all sources within the U. S. Goverment
intelligence cosangity and from overt publinstions and media of
various kinds, and dissam4ates to appropriate United States
Government offieialedivers-types of reports incorporating such
information.
2. QUESTION': Are you satisfied with itsperformance?
ANSWER: I think the CIA szillie entire intelligence community
have made great progress since the estiblishment of the Agency under
the terms of the National Security Act of 1947. However, cote should
never be entirely satisfied with current performance and we are
constantly striving to better that performance.
3. QUESTION: Do you feel it Osatains any weaknesses, statutory
or otherwi me?
MEM I believe the response toQuestion 2 above answers this
question. Iam generally well-satisfied with the Agency's statutory
authorities.
4. QUESTION: In the light of recent indications that while our
intelligence maybe effective, there have been repeated failures
in the dissrmination and solioation of intelligence, do you feel
any chonSos aie necessary in the organisation of the intelligence
community or of our policy making machinery.
ANSWER: As X pointed out in reply to Question 2, we are all
constantly striving to better the intelligence perfOrmance per se
in any possible. The CIA has nothing to do with the organisation
of U. S. "policy making machinery."
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QUESTION; Anthem* any changes you would like to see come
samatt in the organisation and operation of the CIA itself?
AggaRt Again, please see my response to Qmmmtion 2, 10M.
When X believe that changes in the organisation *reparations of
the CIA will better the over-411U. S. intellimence effnrt, X make
such changes.
6. MESTIOR: Is it your feeling that sufficiedtvedght is being
placed on CIA by the various departments and agencies
concerned?
AJMER: We make everrefort to present our reports to
nate TJ. S. off/ciels in concise, readable fans with the
more important development* highlighted far the benefit of our
policy...making consumers. It is my belief that these reports axe
read and given careful consideration by our customers.
7. qUESTTOfft While the CIA has never publioirndowledged any
connection with the U-2 incident, the hearings of the Senate
Foreign Relations Committee, a etibstaattal portion of which was
made public, adduced, to say the least, ft commeatian. In view
of this cam you be prevailed upon to comment with respect tot
a) the Willowy of the CIA cover stem b) yvvrogdmion, befbre
and plimmethe fact, on the wisdom of continuing the V.2 flights
as the Summit Conference approached?
AMER: The Agency has never :lade any public statement
regaritag the U-2 flights.
8. QUESTION: What is yourviewand attitude on the repeated
peoposals fora Congressional watchdog committee an CIA?
to decide.
MEM: This is purely and simplyla matter for the Congress
9. =OMNI Estimates of CIA's amnia budget have ranged from
300 maiden dollars to a billionj estimates of CIA pereonnel have
ganged from 8,000 teen all inclusive figure of 30,000. You have
called these figures grossly egolgorated. CM you offar antrowberte
Wagerly fan;
Mod figures or can you suggest within what range these figures
AVERCRs No information is made public concerning the size of
CIA's budget and the number of its personnel.
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10. QUESTION: In the recent history of intelligence, critics have
called it a "dirty business," "abhorrent" to the American people
because of its suggestion of treachery and intrigue. Compton
Mackensie ealled intelligence operatives"perasites" whose existence
depends on Perpetuating the conditions in which intelligence is
necessary. Its defenders, on the other hand, have eePlorsd the
argument that we met maintain an intelligence system if for no other
reason than that everyone else is doing it. What axe your own
feelings about the need for an intelligence system, ite morality
or its lack of morality/
ANSWER: I would not be the Director of Central Intelligence
if I did not believe there was an urgent need for the United States
to maintain the most effective possible intelligence service. It
has been my personal observation that, in general, the caliber and
morality of CIA personnel is very high indeed.
11. QUESTION: Is it your understanding that Pres. Ximenhower
reads the daily intelligence sumnikry as his first order of business
each day, and has there been any change in the fOrm and method
of these summaries within recent years?
ANSWER: I could not and would not be able to oomment on what
the President does or does not read at any given time of the day
or night. As I have pointed out several times previously, we
are constantly striving to better our work in all respects end
this may include from time to time revisions in fibroma or method
of presentation of various reports.
12. QUESTION: How does our intelligence compare with the system
in operation in other countries, notably Britain end the USSR?
ANSWER: It is my hope and belief that we have the beat
intelligence service in the world. Certainly this is What we are
all striving for.
13. QUESTION: When Premier Ehrushchev twitted you about pooling
American and Russian intelligence so you wouldn't have to pay twice
for the same job, was there any substance of truth in his taunt?
taunt.
ANSWER: There was little, if any., substance to Ihrushchev's
14. QUESTION: What
the CIA.-the Donoven
document?
actual basis for the organization of
e Mberstadt report, or yet another
ANSWER: The eetebl, hat of CIA was based upon a plan elibmitted
by the late Major General William A. Donovan to former President
Harry S. Truman.
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15. =NUM Who are some of your close friends in WhishingtOn
and els/Where. Ptah Draper sud the Britt& mystery author
'lemming have been mentioned as among the closest. ,What vas the
basis of your friendship with them, and how did yo u odes to know
them.
16. =RION: Who are your favorite authors and What is your
favorite field of reading. Which are your favorite books. Are
you still an active tennis player, and do you wristlet any bobbies.
17. QUNSTIOff: Do you contemplate retiring within the near future,
If so, who would you recommend as your successor.
ANSW2Rt Questions 15, 16, and 17 are of a highly personal
nature and an these rotate I mad only add that my friendx and
reading habits axe my own affair and r reefer not to ge into these
matters. ma still nu active tennis player, &mediocre goiter
SM an avid fisherman.
I gm still in good health and spirits and have not
given thought to the question of retiring. If and when I do so,
the
successor.
the President, hy and with the consent of the Congress, will select
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Mr. Lewis K. Gou
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Dear Mr. Gough
Thank you for your letter of Z September 1960.
regarding the letter in the Chicago newspaper by one
Bob Berlin and your offer to be of a eglietilACM in View
of the visit of a number of American ',Istanbul-enders to
Russia.
Your offer is indeed appreciated. 1-lowerrerb since
the publicity on this matter is subsiding. I have decided
not to revive it by engaging in a newspaper controversy.
With kind personal regards. 1 reilleirk
Sincerely.
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Mr. Walter E. nommen,/
The Mirisch Company, Inc.
1041 North Formosa
Hollywood 46, California
Dear Mr. Grauman:
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Mr. Dulles has asked me to thank you very much for
your letter of 7 September advising that your company
contemplates a television series on espionage and counter.
espionage, fictitious in nature, but with an authentic flavor
based on some 0.8.0. experiences of World War U.
While the Central Intelligence Agency Is the custodian
of some of the 0.0.8e files, those in our possession are
classified and are not now available for public use. Mere
have been many requests similar to yours in the past and
regretfully in each instance we have had to reply in the
negative.
Thank you, however, for bringing this matter to our
attention.
Sincerely,
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June says that the Director has finished with this letter.
He has signed it, and I have just added the information on Questions
15, 16 and 17 which was dictated by the DCI. I believe that you
are supposed to get the complete package now - to be checked with
Colonel Grogan and Mr. Kirkpatrick before dispatch.
Gini
19 September 60
P.S. I have callei Dffice and they are attempting to
get a copy of the zional secuxi y Act of 1947 which should be
attached to the Director's reply before it is mailed.
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22 August 1960
MEMORANDUM FOR THE DIRECTOR
1. This memorandum recommends action in Paragraph 5.
2. David Gelman, of the NEW YORK POST, who for some months has been
gathering data for a CIA series, has submitted 17 questions for you to
answer. I do not believe you should answer any of them.
3. I have discussed CIA with him previously and believe that a letter
such as the attached, from me, is all we should give to him. Gelman is one
of the authors of the anti-FBI series in the POST.
4. Question 15 as to Ruth Draperand you and Fleming is a very personal
question that I doubt you would want to answer. His question number 10
indicates tome one of the attacks he will make on intelligence; that is,
that it is immoral.
5. Recommendation: That you approve a reply similar to the attached
draft.
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Dear Col. Grogan:
31 our last phone conversation Ibelieve you. suggested that Isubmit a series
of written questions in connection with the Post's series of articles on the CIA,
answers to be supplied by Dulles. Herewith, accordingly, are the questions:
1. Can you define the role of the C3A: a) in general b) in the formulation of
American foreign polies" c) as to its separate functions of collecting and
evaluating intelligence.
2. Are you satisfied. with its performance.
3. Do you feel it contains any weaknesses, statutory or otherwise.
4. 3h the light of recent Indications that while our intelligence maybe effective,
there have been repeated failures in the dissemination and application of in-
telligence, do you feel any changes are necessary in the organization of the
intelligence community or of our policy making machinery.
5. Are there any changes you would like to see come about in the organization and
operation of the C3A
6. Is it your feeling that sufficient weight is being placed on C3A reports by
the various departments and agencies concerned.
7. While the C3A has never publicly acknowledged any connection with the U-2 in-
cident, the hearings of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, a substantial
portion of which was made public, adduced, to say the least, a connection. la
view of this can you be prevailed upon to comment with respect to: a) the ade-
quacy of the C3A cover story. b) your opinion, before and after the fact, on
the wisdom of continuing the U-2 flights as the Summit Conference approached.
8. What is your view and attitude on the repeated proposals for a Congressional
watchdog committee on CA.
9. Estimates of CIA's annual budget have ranged from 300 million dollars to a
a billion; estimates of Ca personnel have ranged from 8000 to an all inclusive
figure of 30,000. You have called these figures grossly exacagerated. Can you offer
approximate round figures, or can you suggest within what range these figures
properly fall.
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10. 12 the recent history of intelligence, critics have called it a "dirty Business,"
"abhorrent" to the American people because of its suggestion of treachery and
intrigue. Compton Mackenzie called Intelligence operatives "parasites" whose
existence depends on perpetuating the conditions in which intelligence is
necessary. its defenders, on the other hand, have employed the argument that
we must maintain an intelligence system if for no other reason than that
everyone else is doing it. What are your awn feelings about the need for an
? intelligence system, its morality or its lack:of morality.
U. Is it your understanding that Pres. Eisenhower reads the daily Intelligence summ-
ary as his first order of business each day, and has there been any change in
the form and method of these summaries within recent years*
12. Haw does our intelligence compare with the stems in operation in other count-
ries, notably Britain and the USSR,
13. When Premier Ibrushchev twitted you about pooling American and Russian intell-
igence so you wouldn't have to pay twice for the same job, was there any sub-
stance of truth in his taunt*
1144 What WAS the actual basis for the organization of the CJA,--the Donovan Plan,
the Eberstadt report, or yet another document*
15. Who are some of your close friends in Washington and elsewhere. Ruth Draper and
the British mystery author E.M. Flemming have been mentioned as among the
411 closest. What was the basis of your friendshipwith them, and how did you cone
to know them*
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16. Who are your favorite authors and what is your favorite field of reading. Which
are your favorite books. Are you still an active tennis players and do you prac-
tice any hobbies.
17. Lb you contemplate retiring within the near future, r so, who would you
recommend as your successor.
Ittaist Mr. Dulles will see fit to reply to some or all of
these questions, and I will await an early reply.
ResPectfU
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encloses the answers to the 17 questions.
The Boss said if you "have any violent
objections" he would not provide Gelman
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the letter can be dispatched -- and in any
event, he did not want to "see or hear of
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Stan: The Boss read Gelman's letter over
carefully together with your reply and stated that
he thought he could satisfactorily respond to
most of Gelman's questions. He then discussed
them with me somewhat along the lines of the
attached draft which is sent over to you. herewith
for any changes, additions or deletions you con-
sider appropriate. After you have done so, you
might prepare this in question and answer form for
the Director's signature up to the point where
questions 15, 16 and 17 come into the picture and,
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MEMORANDUM FOR: Mr. Dulles
Subsequent to our discussion the other day I
Prepared the attached letter for your signature
to Mr. Gelman, responding to his questions along
the lines you suggested I have now checked this
out with Stan Grogan who agrees that all of these
responses are entirely appropriate and I submit
it herewith for your consideration.
You will note that Stan and I did not attempt
to answer questions #150 16, and 17 of Mr. Gelman
since these are personal in nature and we feel tha
you will have to dictate the replies to these
questions so that they may be added to the rest of
the letter.
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