AMENDED MINUTES OF PAST TWO MEETINGS

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• Publication Date: December 19, 1974
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THE DIRECTOR OF CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE
Office of the Deputy for the DC I /I C 74-2416
Intelligence Community
19 December 1974
MEMORANDUM FOR: NSCIC Working Group Members
SUBJECT Amended Minutes of Past Two Meetings
Attached is a copy of the approved minutes of the 30
October meeting of the NSCIC Working Group, pages 3, 4, and
5 of which have been revised to reflect changes requested
by Mr. Morell and Mr. Ober. Also attached are revised
minutes of the 20 November meeting, including changes requested
by Messrs. Ober and Morell and Rear Admiral Hilton.
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Executive Secretary
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Attachments
As stated
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NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE
WORKING GROUP
Amended
Minutes of the Ninth Meeting
1030 Hours, 30 October 1974
White House Situation Room
Chairman, Presiding: LGEN Samuel V. Wilson, D/DCI/IC
Members present : Mr. Leslie H. Brown, Dept. of State
(representing Mr. George S. Vest,
Director, Bureau of Politico-Military
Affairs)
Mr. Robert F. Ellsworth, Assistant
Secretary of Defense (International
Security Affairs)
Mr. William N. Morell, Special
Assistant to the Secretary on National
Security, Department of the Treasury
RADM Robert P. Hilton (representing
LGEN John H. Elder, J-5 [Plans and
Policy], JCS)
Mr. Richard Ober, NSC Staff, Executive
Secretary of the NSCIC
Others Present . VADM .Earl F. Rectanus, with Mr. Ellsworth
Capt. Gerald W. Dyer, with RADM Hilton
-.f4GEN Jack E. Thomas; Executive Secretary
Since this was the first session of the reconstituted
Working Group; and the membership was entirely new, General Wilson
outlined the program of the earlier Working Group and expressed
the hope that the user/consumer membership of the new group would
result in focus on user-oriented agenda items directly relating
to the NSCIC mission of providing guidance on substantive intelli-
gence matters and on evaluation of intelligence products from the
standpoint of the intelligence consumer. Exceptions should be
based on specific charges from the NSCIC.
The Chairman reported he, already had formed an Intelligence
Panel to provide intelligence inputs to the Working Group. The
role of the Panel will evolve along with the role of the Working
Group itself.
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General Wilson listed members of'the Intelligence Panel.
as himself, Chairman; Dr. Edward Proctor, DDI/CIA; Mr. William
McAfee, INR/s'- i tenant General Euce F. Tighe Jr., Deputy
Director/DIA; Deputy Director for
Operations, NSA/CSS, and Mr. George Carver, D/DCI for National
Intelligence Officers. Mr. Morrell asked why Treasury was not
represented on the Panel. General Wilson said he had attempted
to keep the Panel small, but was willing to address the addition
of Treasury. Mr. Morell said he considered it important to include
Treasury.
The Group agreed to postpone consideration of new'Terms
of Reference but noted the Terms of Reference adopted in June 1972
were now outdated.
Mr. Morell asked how the Requirements Advisory Board (RAB)
would relate to the Working Group. General Wilson said the recon-
stituted RAB, with a Treasury representative as Chairman, would
be a separate subordinate body to the NSCIC. He emphasized the need
for insuring a good interface between the Working Group and the RAB.
The Chairman noted that the proposed NSCID No. 9 had been
referred to the Working Group for recommendation to the NSCIC in
Dr. Kissinger's memorandum of 10 October, "Action Program for the
Working Group," but that since then the problem had escalated and
was-to be discussed shortly with the NSC by the Department of
Justice and the DCI.
Agenda Item 1: Perspectives for Intelligence, 1975-1980
General Wilson said that a combination of the Perspectives,
the Key Intelligence Questions and the DCI's "Objectives for the
Intelligence Community" was the closest the.Community has yet come
to a "national intelligence strategy."
Discussion indicated no policy issues had been identified-
in the current document by any member.. In response to questions and
comments from Mr. Ellsworth, Mr. Ober, Mr. Morell, and Mr. Brown,
the Chairman indicated that the "Perspectives" is intended to be
reissued annually, that consumers of intelligence should be involved
in development of the document, and that he hoped the Group could
provide inputs for the next issuance. He stressed, however, the
"Perspectives" in final form would continue to be the DCI's own document
and not a fully coordinated paper.
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Mr. Morell stressed the need for coverage of economic
intelligence matters in the "Perspectives." He said Treasury is
having problems getting prompt economic reporting from overseas,
and cited delays in reporting on OPEC meetings as an example. For
important international meetings, he saw a need for more time-
responsive reporting than is now usual. He noted that the close
relationship between intelligence and negotiators in defense policy
negotiations is not matched in the economic intelligence field --
there intelligence response is handicapped by lack of access to
briefing books and background papers and gets very little feedback.
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Admiral Hilton thought the "Perspectives" should be
referred to consumers for comment before issuance, and General Wilson
indicated the Working Group would be the forum for this. Mr. Ober
suggested the Intelligence Panel of the Working Group could be used
in development of the paper. General Wilson invited any member with
additional comments to send them to him by memorandum.
Agenda Item 2: Key Intelligence Questions for FY 1975
The Chairman described the Key Intelligence Questions
list and reported on the written comments received from Mr. Ellsworth
and Admiral Hilton. He suggested the Group focus on five questions.
Do the KIQs include all the problems of greatest current importance?
Are they sufficiently specific? Should any be added? Any deleted?
What guidelines could be provided for the FY 1976 KIQs?
No addition or deletion of specific KIQs was proposed by
any member. Mr. Ellsworth felt the KIQs needed to be more specific,
and that there should be more KIQs, to which Mr. Morell and the
Chairman responded with a brief description of the KIQ program as a
management tool, noting that there is a second phase in the prepar-
ation of the KIQs which includes more specifics regarding priority
requirements. Mr. Brown felt that confusion might arise because
some KIQs seemed to focus on collection and others on analysis.
Mr. Morell noted the KIQ program handled both aspects. The Chairman
emphasized that ideally a KIQ should apply to both collection and
analysis since the real focus of the KIQ was on what the consumer
needs to know.
Mr. Ober suggested that the Working Group should discuss
whether consumers rather than intelligence specialists should not
draft the KIQs and the Chairman indicated he hoped a significant
input could be made by the Working Group.
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Mr. Morell noted there are important problems to which a
once-a-year list of KIQs is not applicable, and he cited Treasury
efforts to alert the CIA to upcoming events on a two-month calendar.
The Chairman said that the KIQs represent only part of
the answer to the broader problem of developing a smoothly functioning
national intelligence requirements process. He indicated that additional
discussion on elements to be considered in development of the KIQ list
for FY-1976 would be scheduled for a future meeting.
Agenda Item 3: Pending Legislation
The Chairman said no Group action would be required on
this item. He described the legislative proposal to enhance the
protection of intelligence sources and methods which the DCI has
submitted to OMB. The proposal has not yet been cleared for sub-
mission to the Congress.
Mr. Ober thought it would be worth while to get a briefing
on other legislation which might affect the Intelligence Community.
Agenda Item 4: Proposed "Omnibus" NSCID
The Chairman noted that the DCI was preparing an Omnibus
NSCID at the Secret level to replace all eight of the existing
NSCIDs. The initial draft of this document was submitted to the
NSCIC in August and the NSCIC had approved the concept. The DCI
was reviewing the final draft developed by a group of Community
representatives prior to submitting it to the USIB. Upon completion
of USIB action, it is presently planned that the Omnibus NSCID be
provided to the Working Group for preparation of an action recommen-
dation to the NSCIC.
Agenda Item 5: National/Tactical Intelligence Interface
General Wilson presented an informational report on status
of the Secretary of Defense/DCI examination of the interface -- and
particularly the potentialities for improved mutual support -- between
national and tactical intelligence activities. He noted that Admiral
Hilton was Co-Chairman of this effort, along with Brigadier General
Kulpa of the Intelligence Community Staff. General Wilson said that
the Working Group might be called upon to review the completed study
and prepare recommendations for the NSCIC, but this cannot be
determined until the initial phase of the study is completed sometime
in early 1975. Admiral Hilton indicated the second phase probably
would involve a more extensive examination of detailed theater
requirements.
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Mr. Ober suggested that the only item he saw which might
be tied to other schedules would be a report on resources, particularly
if there was to be any termination of programs which would have an
impact on support to consumers. The Chairman doubted whether, in
view of budget review schedules, any meaningful report on resources
could be made for a November meeting.
General Wilson said he would endeavor to flag for Working
Group members resource matters which could seriously affect the
responsiveness of intelligence to user needs.
He said he felt the Working Group could be the "engine
that makes the NSCIC work" and could make a dynamic input to solution
of long standing problems. Mr. Ober said that feeling was shared
in the NSC Staff. Mr. Ellsworth agreed. Admiral Hilton said it
would be valuable if the Group could have a full listing of ongoing
activities relating to the interests of the Group. The Chairman ,
said a report on warning and crisis management activities would be
scheduled for an early meeting. Mr. Morell said the Group should
consider its relationships with the reactivated Requirements. Advisory
Group.
The session adjorned at 1200 hours.
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Executive Secretary
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WORKING GROUP
Minutes of the Tenth Meeting
1030 Hours, 20 November 1974
White House Situation Room
Chairman: LtGen Samuel V. Wilson, D/DCI/IC
Members present: Mr. Leslie H. Brown, Dept. of State
(representing Mr. George S. Vest,
Director, Bureau of Politico-Military
Affairs)
Mr. Robert F. Ellsworth, Assistant
Secretary of Defense (International
Security Affairs)
Mr. William N. Morell, Special
Assistant to the Secretary on National
Security, Department of the Treasury
RAdm Robert P. Hilton (representing
LtGen John H. Elder, J-5 [Plans and
Policy], JCS)
Mr. Richard Ober, NSC Staff, Executive
Secretary of the NSCIC
Others present: VAdm Earl F. Rectanus, with Mr. Ellsworth
Capt. Gerald W. Dyer, with RAdm Hilton
MGen Jack E. Thomas, Executive Secretary
Agenda Item 1: Approval of Minutes of the 30 October Meeting
1. The draft minutes were approved after amendments by Mr.
Morell to the second and fourth paragraphs of Agenda Item 2, and by
Mr. Ober to the third paragraph of the same item (the corrected minutes
will be disseminated).
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