LUNCH WITH HOOVER, LADD, DELOACH, SMITH, DULLES, WYMAN AND KIRKPATRICK

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP80R01731R002900430040-4
• Release Decision: RIPPUB
• Original Classification: S
• Document Page Count: 2
• Document Creation Date: December 14, 2016
• Document Release Date: May 1, 2003
• Sequence Number: 40
• Publication Date: November 7, 1951
• Content Type: MFR

MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
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SUBJECT: Lunch with Hoover, Ladd, DeLoach, Smith, Dulles, Wyman
and Kirkpatrick
1. General Smith stated that the purpose of the luncheon was to
try and work out a method whereby there could be closer cooperation.
He said that he realized there had been misunderstandings in the past
and thought that a large number of them were the result of personalities
rather than any question in policy. He stated that he recognized the
need for legal attaches abroad to handle criminal matters and matters
involving the violations of U.S. laws and welcomed their presence, and
would be delighted to have Mr. Hoover put as many as he desired in the
field. He stressed the need for close coordination between these indi-
viduals and ours and pointed out the dangers of foreign intelligence
services playing us off against each other. He pointed out that CIA
needed some of the material obtained by the FBI to pass to foreign
intelligence services as quid pro quo.
2. The Director then reviewed orally with Mr. Hoover the summary
and the study that had been prepared for him and stated that, while the
study had been prepared for himself, he wanted to hand it to Mr. Hoover
as an agenda for future discussions. Mr. Hoover said that the pro-
posals all seemed very reasonable and that he was particularly anxious
to get together with General Smith periodically, at least once a month
if not more often, for informal chats over lunch or dinner. He said
further that he thought that all the details of the relations between
the two agencies could be worked out by Mr. Ladd and Mr. Kirkpatrick.
The Director then raised the question of membership on the IIC and said
that he thought that CIA should sit as an observer on this body.
Mr. Hoover replied that he thought this matter had been settled and
that it had been agreed that CIA would be asked to sit whenever matters
affecting it were concerned. Mr. Dulles said that he believed it would
be very valuable for CIA to listen in on the committee's discussion of
communism in the United States. Mr. Hoover countered by pointing out
that a considerable part of the IIC discussions were procedural and not
substantive. General Smith said that the relations of CIA to the IIC
would be like those of the FBI to the IAC where Keay sat and did little
but listen.
3. The Director mentioned that he realized that the FBI might be
concerned over CIA security. He pointed out that he had not understood
the demands of the operators for compartmentalization when he first
arrived, but now recognized its necessity and that the FBI could be
certain that its material would be handled with the greatest of care..
The Director stated that he regretted the incident and
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that the CIA would like to be kept informed. Mr. Hoover said that he
thought a large part of the difficulties stemmed from
the ambassador and that he hoped in the future our representatives
would work out matters between themselves and refer them to Washington
rather than to a third party.
N B. K PATRICK
uty Assistant Director
Special Operations
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