ERVIN BILL - S.782

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• Document Creation Date: December 20, 2016
• Document Release Date: August 1, 2006
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• Publication Date: March 10, 1969
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10 March 1969
FOR THE RECORD
WZCT: Ervin Bill - S. 782
1. Mr. Maury and I met with John W. Dean, Associate
Attorney General for Legislation; J. Walter Yeagley,
orney General, Internal Security Division; and
T. Maroney. Chief. Appeals and Research Section.
Security Division. to discuss S. 782.
2. We told the Justice officials of our talks with Senator
Win, our offer to testify to executive session, and his rebuff
tai an open hearing. We also gave what information we
bad as to the attitude of different members of the Congress.
s briefed them an our contacts in the Executive Breach, particu-
larly with Ken BeLieu. They agreed that the bill was basically
a bad one, and from our point of view the worst part was the
oyes or applicants to the Federal courts.
mentioned a memora he had seen from the
reap of Investigation to the Deputy Attorney General
stnaWly criticizing the bill's predecessor. S. 1035, but mentioned
6 Mr. W"ozencraft's subsequent testimony was somewhat
watered down.
3. Mr. Doan said be would mention our briefing to
Lieu when he aees him this evening.
s/
LAWRENCE R. HOUSTON
General Counsel
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CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20505
10 March 1969
PERSONAL- CONFIDENTIAL
Mr. Kenneth E. BeLieu
Deputy Assistant to the President
for Congressional Relations
The White House
Washington, D. C.
Re: Ervin Bill, S. 782
Enclosed are copies of the Director's 28 February 1969 request
to appear before an executive session of Senator Ervin's Subcommittee,
and Senator Ervin's response of 4 March 1969 inviting us to appear at an
open hearing. Also enclosed is a copy of Senator Ervin's letter to the
Director of 5 March 1969 referring to CIA's "totalitarian powers" and
.inviting us to present drafts of any proposed amendments to the bill which
we deem essential.
To bring you up-to-date on developments regarding this problem:
on 26 February I reviewed the matter at length with
Representative David N. Henderson who reaffirmed his concern
and support. He still believes the best solution is a complete
exemption for CIA, NSA and FBI, but says he has to work
discreetly in order to avoid a head-on clash with Ervin. Henderson
said that, during the last session, Mr. Hoover told him privately
the bill did not seriously affect the FBI, but it would undoubtedly
cause grave problems for other security agencies. Henderson
said he will try to get Hoover to make such a statement publicly
but is not optimistic.
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Among Executive agencies, Bob Hampton and Tony Modello,
of the Civil Service Commission, apparently are very much for us,
and Roger Jones, of the Bureau of the Budget, is well up on the
problem and says we should assume we have carte blanche from
the Bureau to continue our work against the bill.
Frank A. Bartimo, Assistant General Counsel (Manpower),
Department of Defense, will probably get the action on the letter
to Secretary Laird. He testified against S. 1035 last year and
naturally feels just as strongly about S. 782. He feels, however,
that someone should get Jack Stempler off the dime.
On 10 March Larry Houston and I explained our problem to
Walter Yeagley, John Dean and Kevin Maroney in Justice. They
agree the bill. is basically bad, and feel that the worst aspect from
the standpoint of this Agency is the provision giving aggrieved
employees and applicants access to Federal courts. Dean mentioned
having seen a memo from the FBI to the Deputy Attorney General
strongly criticizing the predecessor bill, S. 1035.
John M. Maury
Legislative Counsel
.Enclosures
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Among Executive agencies, Bob Hampton and Tony Modello,
of the Civil Service Commission, apparently are very much for us,
and Roger Jones, of the Bureau of the Budget, is well up on the
problem and says we should assume we have carte blanche from
the Bureau to continue our work against the bill.
Frank A. Bartimo, Assistant General Counsel (Manpower),
Department of Defense, will probably get the action on the letter
to Secretary Laird. He testified against 5.1035 last year and
naturally feels just as strongly about S. 782. He feels, however,
that someone should get Jack Stempler off the dime.
On 10 March Larry Houston and I explained our problem to
r Ysagley, John Dean and Kevin Maroney in Justice. They
the bill is basically bad, and feel that the worst aspect from
dpoint of this Agency is the provision giving aggrieved
exxployees and applicants access to Federal courts. Dean mentioned
having seen a memo from the FBI to the Deputy Attorney General
ugly criticizing the predecessor bill, S. 1035.
John M. Maury
Legislative Counsel
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