MEETING WITH SENATOR SAM J. ERVIN, JR.

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP81-00818R000100030030-8
• Release Decision: RIFPUB
• Original Classification: K
• Document Page Count: 3
• Document Creation Date: December 20, 2016
• Document Release Date: August 1, 2006
• Sequence Number: 30
• Publication Date: February 24, 1969
• Content Type: MFR

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24 I.bx rye l969
M O ( M FOR THE RJC
RCS`: Meeting with Senator Sam J. Ems. Jr.
1. On 314 February 1969, at 3 p. rn. , W.
I. Erwin, Jr. Also present
1. lacNe+tghton of the staff
mmlttee Constitutional Rights, Senate Committee
try.
,8. The erect was S. 782, the successor to S. 1035,
opened with reference to the opinion by* the
s on protection of CIA's information which
introduced is the o rsaesienal Record and
d to the Director. a !es ter Ervi & bad read
w d ering with the Ur raryr of ress'
followed Aloft with some discussion
e ran into when we, fmand Mr-
either did not grasp, or did not
t security Implications we foresaw arising out of
`bared an Me law and said, in effect. that he felt
MA's situation. He Pointed out that at
the Agency he had made a number of changes in
felt were ere founded. and that he had token
Ovecti s, so he was opposed to ranting
m the whole bill. Mr. Horton said it was
senses arose from the different concept of
would play as a result of the passage of the
Soma length an our concept of
at the intensive efforts of the
Ece agencies to penetrate us. the stress and
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broad. and the need for supervision
He felt rhr bill would Impair
s as to Certain employee activities. hut
ying that it we themot that the matters
Of to our security they w oold be Pertioent
and, therefore, would not be barred by the
roug:t up his frequently expressed distrust
Of the JMIYVMPb- In response, Mr. Maury discussed how we use the
effectiveness, emphasising that it was merely a
Senator Ervin said that if be were *lost
td abolish the polygraph as he did not thank it. was
said that he bad received a great many
about the use of the WYgrqq*. Particularly
kaestious asked. Mr. Maury pia to
ntplaiets had come back to us and w,
about the mature of the cots. particu-
wars found most objectionable . ,motor Ervin
many of the coma ain ants nAght have been applicants
employes and there might have been more, dai s
from CIA, but he did not offer any farther informs.
asked for Senator Ervin's i step
he bill, and the Senator agreed that
ce could ask for counsel as soon as he felt
of hostile 'questieeaing or disciplinary
ury said he thought this impaired the command
ee would aprr ere to the Tight of cone el in
e a man's rights might be su ta: ally
d be some lira tation. Later on to the
trrvin appeared to concede that there was
Merl to the argument and said he Might colder appropriate
lang"S& ling the right to counsel. There- was also further
the fact t applicant. were given certain rights under
end lead to harass uxered by the ftaderAs for a
er similar groups. Again, this seemed
, and he said he might give some
ton to limiting the applicants, rights.
aside of the two small paints mentioned above,
Senator Ervin thought he had done ev,
pe"Able for CIA In his earlier clatages and he was
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opposed to a total exemption for the Agency. The meeting was
friendly, however, and in fact Senator Irvin said he enjoyed it.
H. ie.3 !-od relaxed and pleasant throughout.
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LAWRENCE R, HOUSTON
aarsl Counsel
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