MINUTES TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY-EIGHTH MEETING

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DIRECTOR OF CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE
Security Committee
Minutes
Two Hundred and Twenty-eighth Meeting
Wednesday, 27 February 1980, 1000-1200 Hours
Room 7E62, Langley Headquarters Building
Acting airman
Presiding
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Col. Herbert Kamm, Department of
Mr. Merrill T. Kelly, Department
the Air Force
of the Army
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Mr.
D. Jerry Rubi
no,
Department
of Justice
Mr.
Dennis Southe
rn,
Department
of the Treasury
Mr.
Richard L. We
lch,
Department
of the Navy
Mr.
Gerald Berkin
, De
partment of
the Navy
Mr.
James W. Gerb
lick
, Federal B
ureau of Investigation
Mr.
David Humphre
y, D
epartment o
f the Treasury/Secret Se
rvic
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Mr.
David McCabe,
Dep
artment of
State
Mr. Maynard C. Anderson Office of Secretary of Defense
Mr. Michael Cassetta, Department o Commerce
Mr..Cyril F. Frank, Justice/Drug Enforcement Agency
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Mr. Donald Stigers, Department of
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PRELIMINARY COMMENTS
1. The Acting Chairman advised members of two
briefings given the NSC Special Coordination Committee
(SCC) and its Counterintelligence Working Group (CIWG).
On 5 February Mr. Gambino described for the SCC/CIWG
differences in Government personnel security investigative
and clearance standards, discussed their counterintelligence
implications, and assessed prospects for resolving problems.
This briefing was designed to focus senior level attention
on the personnel security aspects of broad dissemination
of formerly compartmented information released at the
collateral level as a result of the APEX system. As a
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entire Government. On 14 February briefed 25X1A
the SCC on possible polygraph examinations of U.S. workers
on the new Moscow Embassy after their return from the USSR. 25X1A
He advised that this had been urged by the DCI for some
125 U.S. personnel who would be performing key security
tasks or constructing sensitive embassy areas.
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the proposed questions focused only on counterintelligence
matters, and commented that polygraph examinations of this
type had met with high subject acce tance in reinvestigation
programs at CIA and in industry.
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2. The Acting Chairman advised of a General Accounting
Office survey of contractors for statistical data on SCI
and collateral "carve-out" contracts. 600-700 contractors
are being considered as a representative sample in what
appears to be a classification management. study. It was
said th
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noted that NSA and Defense industrial security offices
had concurred in putting out guidance on this matter.
Responses are optional and contractors should be referred
to security elements if they have questions.
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3. The Acting Chairman advised that the DCI's
Special Assistant for Compartmentation was moving
promptly toward implementation of the APEX System. The
4C system was being addressed. A 16-minute audio-visual
presentation on APEX has been developed for core use in
educational/orientation programs. The scope of the
educational needs to introduce APEX in Government and
Industry were being sized by panels of the APEX Steering
Group. In the ensuing discussion it was noted that many
members of SECOM are heavily engaged in the APEX implementation
effort. Those persons emphasized that all members could
support the effort by ensuring that their senior manage-
ment understood the importance and need to commit good
personnel and sufficient resources to APEX implementation.
It was also noted that benefits could accrue to the Govern-
ment if SCI contractor support was enlisted on a partnership
basis in the implementation endeavors.
4. invited members who wished to remain
after the formal meeting to see the slide-tape security
orientation for senior officials developed by the Committee's
Security Awareness Working Group. He commended the quality
of this effort, and advised that the presentation had been
shown to the DCI's Special Assistant for Counterintelligence
who had asked that dissemination by the Committee be
deferred until he could show it to the DCI and get his
endorsement. said member comments were
particularly desired on whether the presentation was
effectively keyed to senior officials.
]chief--of-the-staff's Compartmentation ranc , was
retiring on 29 February. He commended for
his service to the Committee and thanked him for hisF7
contributions to implementation of the APEX system.
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ITEM 1: Approval of Minutes
The minutes of the 30 January 1980 meeting were
approved as written.
ITEM 2: Subcommittee and Working Group Reports
a. Compartmentation - advised that he and
his members were closely involved in APEX implementation.
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b. R&D - Q said their report on document
destruction would be completed and distributed soon.
He noted that a key element in a meaningful emergency
destruction plan was reduction in the amount of paper
held by field offices. F-1
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c. TSCS - advised that there were as yet
no positive responses to the earlier request for Community
agencies to help provide training equipment for the ITC.
Several members said they were still actively exploring
the issue. Note was taken of the retirement of Mr. Breidenfeld,
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d. Security Awareness - reported they had 25X1A
made a bu get su mission Lor FY 1982 to seek adequate
resources for an effective Community security orientation
program. I ladvised that he had proposed a DCI
budget, separate from the unclassified Intelligence Community
Staff one, to cover Community security requirements. He
asked members to submit candidate programs for inclusion.
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e. Security Advisory Group USSR - Mr. McCabe reported
that 3 shelters for use by security personnel at the new
Moscow embassy site are to be airlifted to Helsinki in
mid-March and escorted to Moscow as diplomatic cargo. He
noted that the Soviets were installing the perimeter fence,
and that the U.S. had directed a halt to further Soviet
construction until the fence was completed. He said 4
Marine guards were on site, with additional security per-
sonnel en route. Pair. McCabe advised that the issue of
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whether the Soviets could have sole possession of U.S.
materials for customs inspection was still open.
I Isaid efforts to secure adequate RFD funds
were sti unresolved. Ile noted that a meetin on this
subject had been held with Mr. Donahue, OMB.
f. Investigative Standards - Mr. McCabe advised that
their report should be ready for the printers in about
a week. r -1 expressed his best wishes to Mr. McCabe
on his retirement, and thanked him for his services to the
Committee.
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ITEM 3: Proposed Secrecy Agreement
The Acting Chairman referred to the proposed secrecy
agreement sent to members earlier (SECOM-D-077, dated
6 February 1980), which was developed by the Compartmentation
Subcommittee in response to tasking to review the current
version (Form 4066, Nondisclosure Agreement for SCI) and
to develop a model for Community use. He noted that the
object was an agreement in everyday language covering
elements deemed legally necessary for use as a minimum
form in the Community. said the proposed 25X1A
agreement would be an instrument for access, to be supple-
mented in those agencies where employment was the consideration.
He asked NSA to elaborate on their dissenting views to the
proposal. I NSA Office of General Counsel, said
NSA did not believe the proposal could be a uniform model,
and that they saw a need for agencies to be able to address
elements to meet individual requirements. He noted that 25X1A
the recent Supreme Court ruling in the0 cas provided
some much needed legal guidance on this issue. 25X1A
said they would like the proposal referred to Community
General Counsels for legal analysis in the light of the
I ruling. Mr. Rubino, Justice, said his department
ward a similar analysis done. advised that 25X1A
NSA would like to see a Community agreement that required
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He referred to P.L. 86-36 as applicable to NSA interests
in this regard, and to DCI statutory responsibilities for
protection of sources and methods (50 USC 403(d)).
emphasized that the goal was a composite agreement to satis y
basic Community needs in the APEX arena, permitting internal
agency supplements to cover unique circumstances. Members
agreed that General Counsel review was essential in this
area, but differed on whether the existing 4066 or the
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proposal under discussion should be used in the interim.
After further discussion, the Acting Chairman determined
that the consensus was that Community agencies would use
their choice of the two to satisfy APEX implementation
requirements until the DCI General Counsel, in consultation
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would be requested on a priority basis. It was subsequently
learned that the Chairman, APEX Control Group had already
submitted this draft to the DCI's General Counsel. The
SECOM staff will insure that the draft is brought to the
attention of Mr. Silver with SECOM members comments.
distributed copies of a DIA suggested revision
of the proposed new agreement.
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ITEM 4: SECOM Seminar
The Acting Chairman advised that in the absence of
an appointment by the DCI of a new Director of Security,
CIA and Chairman, SECOM, it was felt to be prudent to
postpone the Committee seminar schedule for 1-3 April.
said he hoped consideration would be given
to re-sc e uling the seminar for a later period, possibly
in early fall. He said member suggestions on agenda.topics
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ITEM 5: Old Business
The Acting Chairman referred to discussion at the
30 January SECOM meeting on travel security policy, and
asked
members to read and comment on the issues and options
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paper
prepared by the staff on this matter (SECOPI-D-098,
dated 25 February 1980).
NSA, said agency
requirements differed on this subject to such an extent
that a uniform policy wasn't feasible. He suggested that
current polic in DCID 1/20 permitted necessary agency
flexibility. suggested the need for collection
of relevant data at a central point. The members' consensus
was to abide by present policy, defer Community action on
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any new pronouncement at this time and refer to a central
point any indication of changes in foreign attitudes
toward unofficial travelers (option "c" of the paper).
The staff will provide members with a separate memorandum
on this matter.
ITEM 6: New Business
a. The Acting Chairman asked the NSA member to
summarize the conference on investigative standards
sponsored by Defense in Richmond the previous week.
said the conference highlighted differences be-
tween adjudicators and attorneys on dealing with relevant
personnel security information. He noted that presentations
by psychiatrists were good, and suggested the usefulness
of their being asked to help investigators formulate
questions for use in personnel security investigations.
said the psychiatrists emphasized that they were
not equipped to make security judgments. Mr. McCabe,
State, suggested that unresolved issues in personnel
security likely could not be dealt with effectively until
E.O. 10450 was replaced with policy guidance dealing
exclusively with national security considerations as
opposed to blending them with suitability ones.
emphasized that restrictions placed in recent years on
FBI investigations and record holdings sharply limited
the amount of relevant information the Bureau could provide
for personnel security determinations.
b.
Mr. Rubino, Justice, advised that he and his
staff
had
recently been able to review some of the 80
boxes
of
documents seized as evidence in the Scientology
case.
He
noted that about 20 of these boxes had been
made
available for public inspection, and that national
security classified material had been found in this group
of documents. Mr. Rubino said he had advised the Infor-
mation Security Oversight Office of this, and noted that
they were reviewing the documents now. He said that while
some of the documents had been screened for classified
material and originators advised, there were no assurances
that this had been done for all the evidence. He invited
other agencies to help with the review process. Mr. Rubino
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distributed copies of a Scientology document included in
the seized evidence which provided advice on how to go
about breaking and entering secured offices and storage
containers for the purpose of stealing documents or making
unauthorized copies of them.
ITEM 7: Next Meeting
The Acting Chairman scheduled the next regular meeting
of the Committee for Wednesday, 2 April 1980, at CIA Head-
quarters. .1I
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