THIRTIETH ANNUAL CONFERENCE MILBANK MEMORIAL FUND

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TN1 NTl NTN ANNUAL CCN?NRENCN
NILBANN MEMO;
Round Table on the Interrelations of
Demographic, Economic, and Social Problems
in Selected Underdeveloped Areas
November 18 - 19, 1953
York Academy of Medicine
Nov York City
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ontrol and social
Cndia
Kingsley D*V:
Rin an B dials and Family
PUnn ng in Ceylon"
217
Bryce Ryan ar <
0 o fl t 0 a t
MDAY a No M 1$, 1953
the Futui
G or,
*Cultural Wicks on Birth Control
Use in Ito Rite
by
J* E eyone Si' c 0$ e? ? e
Vs6n sd ' Afternoon Session
Frank Loriiser a . a ? e 0 ae
a
IT
4
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P 9
*fl,ee$ oh Need#
Opening statement
by
?*No WheZpton
ted o eotO
Allan R. Holmberg;
William J. Gibbons
". Jere 0 0#4 a e
Vance 3 C 0 ? 0 a s
Notest in a a a
Ad4ournmat em is under what cot
that
a
nit'd
rder of
to thlok
tudo a .
absorb that
a out not be mda In t%
about the
about
ratio of 4 x tints to
op who are the bt t oe w
that to ** egr
pr Ab'. 2ttt
eo itt n and h
quit* as bad
sure that would,
have to
as "ate popes on r o basis outside of
dos Japan*
was re 13.
m t
educed its birth rate
tul
Ix
~pul*t ii
absorption
iblc r * 3.920 to 191 by,
VI Vigh
Pointing out
or
b
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e pan 1
'pan fa
*an, the
birth
th
Sp
this cycle out and see that urbanization
cent and that we better ham tha
edue
ont- and radio*
m the trictc esting therefore that the
on the A$:a $:Lan Mail
had better
the Tura
u oaten
Oblems about the
opping up
ombi'fl.t on
points out
and theni, by
there
twasp
to attribute th'
the 3 a st general
expansion, as i
these tat
Ichti
in the a ie o
the next coup of decades
oportions,
for
already
cation
r der than Japan without e;
beorption, or the 50 per cent increa
on t o the e
ctiv!ttiee in the war
the
1920 00
.950
teeters which were using an r appreciable Oart at the Ja e
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DR.
traced anD
.thin
and the 0
boiler and the
did make poeaib3e.
.zed for the first time since
Ma's" A
Ma Ohs Diet
eftdct
e i(tr
)95O it Oertatn3 was
the 84ttleMz
change of population r,
there i a
for industrialization and
UR. o';C se
t
kP
uati *
there
n ou3.d hay
re ar
uitura p
poedlb3
M. 'SAT
of a ioui e
y ou can a part
the i
pub3
Fr Asian ex
do
t
e.
Or.
you have
Japan
have a
ntt
d r?
du4tr
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You oaf t it partly by
kind *.hi simply does not
You,
p6ople enter
attention has
?. 11ed to.
? has use
bho
the ?hiVe **ith 0
this.
l r tl he is
4ntn the
areft"t
Ont
s atta
thin,
5sponsois `
ion
n o ox
at edueatione
happy
Opoaking
, due
i . e and as YOU i cr $C the r
rid
ths
ik th
SO#tgjned s 3utax enact b*Y*rA the
Very
w5 on a yo
cu
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X 13 3a' popes!
".M48z . Notestoin Said
at th# eta
sit
izatiffo
ck:
b
m poet even
e* hor ob2e* without -
e pressure
about and therofore tlM Or O
3,0 but *yea It we Introdu4s
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' 4t to return
stud' that
Problems" X 1 have
that in it
bir
g
'ou
OuU
krg Institution
the
the
are * SOttOf$
the
Asiaxisondv' it "$
Asia'
k
of aliz ttt*'b Vh1ah
'bout
owed but 1 V,
a ore .1a
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or t
u as
sr,hin
ak i
01
irts eo t t luo that
14taot rA 1.p
abet
Iv
that ozi
birth
x to OWY the pose 3bi
tee'
In
Sho turf
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'Ou 4
that
Cuz'red al*oal;
*enting bye p ob ' ,
peed up to flow
the on.
urb n z4ti Rnd Its
birth rates
op rural b
aene1 situation h
can
for
althusl n.
CHAIRMW Dt We have devoted acid as such
this paper a Ve shou34 .3. . I d not want t c,
out
discuss.. . there anything
questions that aroma 3o burning to ask o
tion *nd the put
;n 't'
read
ttt ? ?elation and '
in,"
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paper i
ask
the
ibtaati
tend
uted tc
these factor#
X0141 and gozn.
have considerably
r class rural aiwan
Ined h
oval
a Z
We
ese in Verb` broad way,
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4 of what
as to a Possible
have been th* -
it family
reed trD the
UOU06 he mentioned
wet land reform
public jX d
Ae-Pove
r the registration
th r
ch.
were
but I
the
a sort of
least to orr rr 3 put some supports under the
uty
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fflieo rise
AYi
to Ott
en d
mly
of effect
.0 SIOP that not
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ause t VOV
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tho 4
pe
tho,
o Cour #
-$ ttto t
E
"ection
ah a ha to
,bout 16
but, a U OS 1
;h fl
Teter pop i'1
m is
ith
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tsa
Dms But the aba
ch groups
ontir
eon native TO
woup f WhI4
out
rouge
bIVI
01
eVze
the * i eto s o a total 16 u vt
. VANCEs I know you a4wna
k the different;
COU14 not o
C no
Married*
UP
A
the
At
I would
urge
ojal and p 'aho toa3. &ttitu4 ? You
MAY&
VA
question
not knmv
tit storility
chtWass *own. who
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AY s so but a t the
so the U of
:. '" dlff*r*nt aetn 0
Olot a very *a
t because It Just
hic
:- tomtl
VANC ,
Oho
' u3t
Pt9
Control
and bnl
or entitled
Styco e.
,tad his wepared Paper
uttt "Cultural Chocks on Birth Control Use In Paoz'
die
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oft %thatt
U13, you W
about
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xf you use
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out C*tllD *t at e
&180 that e:imod o
been ddenoul"
att t ice
Most
in to,
not find
Vi'
e or
POW
about ate
03460.
about the
UPPO'k
don
'cool
d a Oftftnt
` * tn to Amount
b"n devote to ttac
lower that par
01.1 the 900001
hall ro111
b
tom0
atot the
to
4z
"but
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UUr "*a and a ou to
i
DR, ORS
not * w ' kMw did not o to tho 011
and biv
;he ' n wevit
3.31 Sam
ontr
ua door they
OMMEN AN IOS ." . IWquestions; Ones
MUOU this p"t o the Vl.:. ul l falklore
rithor theca - ,4Itec tv motivation n4, $ eon 3 r
the
o hear all the
at al L the react
tho
t 3a
arc o at "hat
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o 3y3*4
* o u" It to tru
a this with the idea
&*IV* to have 3imj
of "
han s auture thpwCh
to
dr* vo O .1rasan Inft
just dcr'
to
$ Yes;
d
vrt 0420 e
Iron
IVI
roost
to :to prof
~PaWa
nor point i tee
of course
i b
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VR, 'AN a You did not motion it but I gat
there
uc abortion I
cos
are tel.
hard at
uppo
d trl
hetltu1
the
a : h eto
Coss
Pulatii
1c
a .r it O out we to
t all. Wei did not venally
thing. A taD as I a
aly rogard sterilization
you could not
japarseso
L. th
VMt proportion
talking about
a
72 ta11ee x
Lued
do you Include in th
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on the basis of o cati jo tha
0 you &t
the Pol
Mro r ton .v''.r with breekiT
POUP
birth onto
107 e nou "op 00 0 can
up other type
4
w
w
them down
th
o
the tffi n
10,
3t Of a $a
*Ut t *"
1 * a eu 3# in
8i but4an
the oo t7 d .4 Mt. m
T.
her Sta U
V
~he
pull ....
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-P who hav" OmO
tt
e 3 outp t
their chi
control 011
knit
accept berth Control?
Suet a miidioal *are o]tni *
not a e
Do you
this
the )in ca
PRO
LUX
t had from to,
Coal Of
ha
ch 'en4
dec
who
dren'. 39
but, as I
pho
C'hav
two
once o nst
.nth of head i
be the-,
To what Bert
might IhInk tit positive l
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thd
points which
vale
"Y be moh eIMP
X think have been
t than
th
,who
your
d.v d Mot" E,` Use
used birth
snit
then
one VD. ' .o'. '4ou d Set at thlis Z "f It n-4
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n or ' 1 you
for In the VW,
decided you had ha
chi
in did you first
ten? What
*Ik? What
a tabs to s~
of those Poe
DR. AU
jue
tedesk
a
Ae. you had eno
To whom did
who
high I .out Dope b
you
cult t
fool. in addition to then* more direct Oo t of
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f how we oan
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with vto't
pit
Ether att
the lug items ve s
IXY
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it will , nt l in thG
0$: That is why I SSW
tumbling aroma to t
# + 3 n tsjth the WOO'
e 'esl a that that
thou t
signirio
bho kind o
nds of . studies,
3 That rueu.
na,
out on your open-ended questions.
datum
Ind
101
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2i 30 per cent o the
y vas
g reasons for
4
, icon
about the informal unions
you can
children in
prattle between the
b
Stu
in the c nt
' Will re
- la
had
the nu'"av
birth cone
Must more
out' o
better oqu.
did find t
CO SS
unite but
rh id
that wu2
b tte
wMoauro plue th
separation ithil
W. VAI
breaking u
d to take a shot
have t
those unia cr
toot but Of course Teal n,--
support.
ould be wj sue is
hat th,
there
un .oa which redo
quite
he Unix
W
"C0$t The Catholic Church has l not had to
ante It had P. good deal of j u
. 11
Lbiy the change adu1d cO bOfOrO 2091
lie in that regard,, ver; Once in a wbi
a drive on marrisSes zind send $* one around to t na or
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try to
id o thing
but there i$ e00
aha er to it
)U have e
Been
.Ube
As a ha
e *1134
I need to a
ent to which the rath*r
it h
tiOf at the boginning have UO"
the
tent to
A .for this the
carried.
in Irene
paper #ee1 a to indicate you can hay
'ba4i zat on And
e aainn traditional
han e
R pation l ruc ur while re
ti:
UP
a Rica..
lower
k have
~ s 9 -~ ~e t9~e, probably beGAUSO
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norms reasons but at least it is not there Vary uoho
So that to start ith you do not have quite t 1
in breaking tz additio
however
to l
would ba
attitude that women hou
but sine
haw found vex
wher"wr they an
iu ha
u ,d assume that this will have a
oha a on
who are now employed? Are
tility
you have
7 e t'ber It Hatt hAd this
t, COz
fe
re. ember tha
-.rns within time
k outs.
indite;
Lng
on those
there: any a .rr r z .x
are that. do not--do you
rA m&v re tuber
on is
V
do
not rev
hinted i
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differ-
1 not
up as a thilg very p artu]..
industrialization
d into the fe' Marl
rats upat
broke it down
mR. RO=T d i s
but I rem -r that
of the husbands
ocoup
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COST 000U
X01
uestio
to the love
u eon vi:
out eel
Yes.
where m a have ve%7
ya eo coWarative data fro
eru *here
of
;he 25 per 1
studies and in one of. the
ear o,, about 60
in the highland area
If *rent
Indian
au*e
But
you have relate to the who Of Pui
10034 You
Rosa
your so,
HOLMMM
udies
this kind
Wcoas That relates to the who
04 toil that these
stable as
bit as t bl as those which wg
could to33
,he situation is eo .hat
ee a period of tr
before YOU
e8 in the
h
it a
church o by
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but
Obarge of
gets It one way or
Uok
DAVIS
Rico
o se tu d uni
hat d Ut n
MR. - _ O * There
It studies that hay
have f* 'atea e
tho
to
As far as
th
like
The pLob
of the 3e a 1 probUme
but usually the o o t o
other
the father dins any wad and
stable
tnthrop
been done in fterto R:
b;
the
tention in
tin
able. But
ult
C TAI
his
Is one e - 'nt
Used?
poi
r rto Rico
,n watt
thy[
Ors r1D
table but
the Unions
aft
have u1;y said they
moh higher
sooty Spa'.
to
DR. G 3 There is a to c toward 1* tl
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3.9
We do
hey I
too.
er pz opo
s - i3iz ti
o there I
of
I think that
Cam.
dic
could
DR,STYCO
,'sped to
which
14 ve iitt
Ott once a 1e
unio
they are mrry
probiesn of get,
n when pooplo
woman tW ha,
,a in Puerto Rico?
zation*
Ie a ri ations
ith thom although they t
t4 he ie Very phased with
him to *me in and ask
ndou , prtie ily I ignXti nt
ICKfl RN
chat ugh
does he?
Co I
'1
ado
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4oveeber
19530
edneaday afternoon s si n a
on The Interrelations of Demographics
obi ms in Selected Underdeveloped Aroas
Annual Conterenca of the Milbank Memor
two o4olock p.W.
teed, ?rani
Hopkins University, Chairman.
I am
order. We have tour
~k we will -proceed as we did
in tarn followed by discussion
shall
taking the
o the last speakers in the program
the program so that we put roughly
three quarters of an hour into each oneV
peaker who
uses three-quarters of an hour in his timmm mill probably
discussion.
Control and Sonia. Change in Ind
not talking at you*
Coley Davis.
then I de that rear.
[t It has usually bee;
hose programs and when
thought I would have two hours.
this paper which you received before the
did not see the s trrr when I rote the pa
Round
0.. and
o.onvened at
on the program and I
be the,
put
to su. rr o
and then I
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asked
eta
the eu ' that X was pretty much of optim:
Or
I have always been an opi
ser read his prepared pat
Control and Social Change in I
titled
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Mr o Davis e paper is a
dis u i no
der if you u'
the theory of demographic
'DR, ?A' 8
out India
t in
8htng i
LfeitiOf,
I did not mean
already in
4 or b3tCt'
d
La has
You
d stage in which you have both birth and
declining.
Si
you have
validity of even
Iii, DAVXS* I
oink I h &V
rid
ht
e ont
bout the
ustrated by these
one or u
that Indicate there
; At leas'
this is true you have
;h the
of the
Franeition
seems to be a sort
able to define
h less
uro :a Cultures
after
rtd
641401
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nneition that has net been
eeissed
That Is to say., the transition
ceded more rapidly as
n it did in Western
ded more
"in er jer _ to of Wester
e ded even
Md e
quite
nt
Which i now in the Soviet Zone a Oecupat on
to the war w
tai
hu
than India has today. It had a death rate comparable
ract t ha,
'arty e;
iricsii the trei
fto n
;han at lees
ape.
some wide 'luotuatjoue it seem's to have pro
n the Soviet Union than in Eastern uurop
;h ratea
'scantly,
death rates of
eeeurred in stern Europe with
number oil people present here.
t the goo
the present time, but
one ago it had an infant
r t oue nd hieh is, I thinks ee .t
a birth rates e
I think it we inei e
of the theory at the deoographia traneition that
at faster as you c - into areas
ds*t y think it Would be fair to
prediotjv'e device, that you cou3d
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the
litoroo
transit
ti
ova
given in India a looser degree of public education,
and IrAustrialization might produce more de gr
than you go
ope in a comparable
juito ido from an induced mor
D. DAV I th
o th a
Rudy, but I do be
events hLot
also,
apid acctial
with
that our o
do not k w
Ll speaking
and con cted with
*ally ruts
LphiC tr*
em sure when
as the Usefulness
h su ri
our Sonora
transition that such-and-such an
I ,'just do not think it
ht it
port your
came of in
a eayii
'hk
len
l th
do
sihle
,da
u gone
di`fem
ut to $u -
:on to the aigui `i
on into a rura
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Of coura
that havi
)poi
quite a low birth
DR. DU A
Asia
the ei
iftchanisiva to Bu
:h fertil
ih
d I was Careful to state
I Probably did not 40
now r about the aoty-
> suppose the
the rura
develop
tk r~
or V
be
at peasants who
the
happen
zed farms,, who nevertheless, now have
at
and i
DR, DAVZ$t France ha
Made
drop
onoii d
mate went down at the be, to
century .
M: I feel so good abot
,err SuspiOioua ?of It and wou;
which has made euspiciou.
tticu rly about praep
not only in India but In this
kind of world and that to the very tact that you have empl1E..
size that these cultures can now draw from the top,
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Peasant uQu
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k WAt`
td a :
lade
I quite
confronted with
a to both
vozzted Into
L not only a ta* forma of transport ti
but modern medicine no 3udiz the
s v ted. in o U it and 1
tin-making of
about O
c
put the other side o 'the fence. About all You OAA
is * e the radio and a lot of 0040=4 *f
the western VOOA
A 0 1
the dev
ithout
Uttle r onaJ
that vie
lid lot of hi &f ai Uti f stuff about oat, Oft o0l,
uA & sear of "ste a v4Y to * GU o
way that It desired. ' question wl be, this t War,
dr wi Off the top it anything., i a terms Y
the lr4 it there one to be t d rather than .
a d because drawing off the top is In f "Or of de*r .
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1 of ? ' a having
ban used to o" a
* not god to inclined to
Swrowins
ends to sc3 lasts
act tends to for-46
top to shorter
,uratio L It Intenei
but the $
Ming betterealth are
ideas about
47
you have alr
Id roar
India a very tough de a 1 it ti
eUl ural
e chiur nomore living c'
re o %h
I just do not think that l Wings are
put behind It ml&
1wJ to do a
y maybe
out that you are going to
Le at the $a t.
then the net effect of
rnt behavior t out 4o* n
think the u t
hat the rtg kind
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Ld
here in term
teu
'out we
ng their own ter
do
I think around the table this moniing we go
of amha
"Plioatims of
when you a
v to dete r .
to t the
favor birth control o
h a given
p zti u ar' attempts to vake social
aez and what went wrong teems to be very I
because what vent wrong was so simple that you
normal h being could have ftture4 It out in
it
body o
need a
to do. This Spica book Uhich
th the tow
io you oars, test
r of
14a t t
but
things can
aus any
but setting you
O SS I wou like to ask a question abou
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area of optimism. You state a god hit of evide
the Indian$? 1
of those
suppose
But
is any dif 'ere t in I
Are you eeeuuii
pia therefore the
ii ``a t. '
are wore favorable toward the
DR.. VIt I think that is a.
the statement made
that around the varld women 41
th*
births
they can have. Oscar Lewis, study in Mexico indicated the
Ouch resistance on the part of the
stho t having e ar
but aside fretn
onder-
ent through at least one trans
Cods it was
and just so alon;
suspicion on the part of the eon. I would as that
not then
ated ti
k this. Do we have en evidence to
of interest In the suall family
ch that lies the Uniqueness of d$,,
point that has to conetantl,
that we a34$ run into eel
in In other egari cultures
ause conditions are different in
ids f
)e
'p
ha
Approv"laseM9 t$21
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up very heavi
hey-have all- the 0
kn have.
probably
pot ate
e which reeul
considerable deg
of the sent
and
the whole eultuz?e, i the rather
ec ono
not
o4 by
very such
Do I
n 3. sitat i among
ideat
oUld think it "Ou
M. DAVZ$a
34 have ueea i
say is what these tied
it
o*d ra
part
DAV i The t iq ue e
uation is more favorable from that
shed betW*
that there have been
ex'vie ez's and
*tvea to report hone t%7 Whitt they`" thou
and
% there was a the part of the husband and the
not being sure that the husbands ueul4 approve O this
;ted it was in their thinkl
tea up a u
'aphie
ud
this
hr
the
discovered
ue that even
of times in the contacts that I had in India:.
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dul to '_.'et ror:'
4+ t1fl%fl
rats unless the interview r to eery
b t, r4 1'; - car
tp Of Stt f fn!hoh
good
ern
+`xt c r. V19 I think, that z 11 and I
DP.
Irtro
#' the Off. t.
a"Ve
riode r iFe7.. F3i k,e
the Dr+tfti1ity wb
elm intr o0ur :
> r:rth r e to or, ray
have . dta,
Europe
bein.
drag of fifth r9te
Introduced in ',Tndtn
whop they K ,,td the
ilk" `tom broke fl p and :;
hrr
DAVX$a think it is a d0c` z t e possibility
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when
ib 3. t
k it
Per
LOS
that the Indian Gover"ut
1 g t
he test adul
utter: impossible to V
* a e state In 1"di
*bf a all..
CHAXWN $ Are th0i
t me
of two
Its bti
DAV S
the
his is not 1 e * to be a pre t
44010-
in regard to
use re;
ou have
search an
of the o f
unaware that audience r
their attention yet
will t
one mho
paper by WYO
raa Ryan read his prep
dd s and 'Pa . ' P nni
howl:
abat it f
i
n
Char
antaue O
Ilustra o
things
I have
a found tea as
oui
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The Pape'
DR, VA
A t
a
the
such needed, r
these the Ones
tog the transientst
s In Ceylon all
Of hr
able
may
sue 't a Budd *t prieet
unto to to
nd apparently he has gone into
3u there
atl
of
the
rtt the
53
discussion*
of priests
the pries
about
before
ques
the way In which this was
DAVISs 1 hope he has n
b
the case
*lot not V
group
but
that
so forth, which
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het een
i ren
of the
itai an
related
show
could d in a, a
ping an artiolo or
mermon they would n:
this situation a mparid t
n hone or
atti
because thare i vid n o
even in Npi
non,-V .al4 t o a .
In I co btc to t
tier
to !z 4 * take! to
I do not Imcm 'hat
hi
rep wt 1 wasent
lide
abut
:goo
,hility of birth control
be
+C4
e ril ;am and vale d *iht
h
AI Would atnaider t I t p i i in
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d i 0but In
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no I
oppo:ic,
tud
end It is a
attitude to opposition
. think It to
vertant,
ot.$tto nor
ho
up rellelon as a
CHAIRNAN RED s AV
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WRT
Pape%* that
XCO P.
au
Chair . n, 2 Uev
a ' i t two ems *
pwa, The first I
o u ew
table :dc appended to ' etz'a
able to. r
all, or you
*0k at
table with
e
4
* Fran
oo o potent
up
o w
then idata eg
to t1w toot that
chart with s
Interesting to
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rafter than to the
me to Preseat-dIffors from other
bWond c , Into
Vl3aZe ahe
e h wot
is one or the
Obt4ying in o
I t
poet jai ti
17 every sense
future
to oonsid,
oteal
X414#
in Southeastern A
t zt on to tree
eater
ortent of &U,* a
%d 3001
lVe. # and w
on w o other
very see
Appro 1 V9 9 WC- 8
rhead by a
ualt d &O rr . t
were
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of a'
04
DGbfB
atez niz
ran
Ma
tout t
0
ab1y*
eu for
0 the =tJor them at the
t'3+
A414 e 3 aI of t
o
3 o t. the your
USt gbegiMIM
do** not exist
L+ saes
h i>ct sod
her, looking ahead
represents $l*Iq
lar for the Winds O ;twee thAt a td about
U 10 the *o * the and. . l Probably disoues
detall tmorrow in t * 1j her A etatt
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putt a'
the 00M
46"Ous of 3.903
th
about
ntass Incase 0
#o frar as
t data
a no pba
the cets of I
rant
an
u io somew"S over ton
Ito VhIch
e o westorn
wesont to the demographic rater"
aue
Of a at1 t .c : bOing pu 3i ,i k2 I the Sur
-Ott Fortilit
500
25
r4 crude death rat" that
POP
in
Urger C, .M +
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ups 10
to rates be$.% VU
Mon of "ry Urge
01 tto f-
putt Owing
as I 'Vol,
kIM state
5 t LC* IO 401
tw V"emot to you and to tl%e
Owft test two **eke $A
d i eat e c
t%*1iti of bY More then ft per
the metal
ot to both
' OC t Asid si n and c 1011, *UI% the
the
tt"tting to
to t ' k tens : to t
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the
rat wt t
take
4b3 i
the Count and, ror
D . s.
vestige of the" 0 n tore
attached a
What pa
In Burg* M3
tabulation. fte a
pus efl obed z
pobab jty ss 3e popaUtjou in f
2W and about
thi
OPUS'
can answor qu i n about it
abaft
0
ration wh1oh I
001
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ed.
a quick look
to see to ghat extent they s -
PO!
nrnt to
tar,
uhicb to a e cba
the Pe
about p
d `n ihtip
n as a t e ov In their
hound to avt e p
different
lutin tto
huts with greater density and ov r a larger of
at
new and
vab'
and rural wa-,
that would be
I+'he t
ibe ste
*an b tested to a limited
but 3 Should be very ane
'much 'faro
ad it
Oates to 0077
dien age
these
Outed by th
ve a Zvi(
ted vtth the UnIted States of 1930
a0 of tt t.1'
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Oft Ou to v e
look *t the oe p U
and over for
I# to ,
aeftss
POPULP
Ste
.5 ` reftle
w h W ton er .
ftUO to
(0
UM Bursa,
t ad br Owft broad
*we* Ot tzansitl
structure *M Wlzia
an4 the
to that was
h .. 0
t1ho
ton-year r roxatlyo
Ovuutica
a nab' ratios
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t grOUPI
Stet 0
40,
45.4 per cent t a m- ' hundred that
I 41,3 t t U ted. States in I a, kj
br&*k*t* that
she Unite: 3 t
Uok into
At efl
w Just Iw.
MOW by Ryan is more p lioab to Ur v io
Le culture en not the ind
Beta U1,
1950 e
OSOV zCn _..e than In the
tetra
etnte in the
r tis 4. c or
surm-
W3 190-0
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that any tob exe
lab re b. u b B .r + You can
unties
b2 ,
that
un:i b d
. ;: +i tt=. ,.
then
V .tbou
that
.o+
mt.r Carttlit'y
dl
b k 1c
Purpose but I turf
erttve o hec * z ponce a : 3e
0 as we got in the o nsus in the alb" state
44
the 4nd of WeStion
r
tt 3y os ib , v6s .b V row every 4buattox ;
Sep
Approve or Ree ate 4 0 l` A-g 3 4 M"Oa- ' ` ` M
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t birth of rive
a crude Is V
OVer born
M
bWA* U - . tyourrti * 3t
It you
od..ucl
the
nomewhp-
It y
Se"ral
:o 3.950,
moamd,, It would be
You ge,
eO tez't 3t
5f
Oh
347 or suraut
All. aVa?
11 894
the
V
ntweatiug Indicatiop
Ir
" 424
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this point rather m
Lb to
ti3 ty for -eats
item 26.
rtt3tty lodoxes, Chi
:n
w born
there
be
es the can
Ovid
end v ",n
' the is u3?tn e
shou)4 a4, 1' this to a rates I
5,493 to 3 *,''+ Per
UM among Vomn *I.=. c
those who had never borne a
men'* pero agex e
frM
others VI
t
ent
. ;' " ever 'born
3tty 3u Poe
think
i o and
gow
be not too difforent
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68
tor
;'r 20 the fertility
for thus
fOr Surma n
married under
.z?' than
0980 t 40111
indexes are con d* b3j
United st.
'ntte 3t, ie
e i It ate for those vtjo
Ines for a:
tshe ratio is 6,3 i n per 1,.000 note ai
With 3,,B75 CtM the United State$ and again you
tract
rugs der age
$#053 in I
&th 3,41
the
the ion
you
aver
.-thee are eowpletod
are in those
In de ap
in that zam,
that
woman over married
c re ever born
. D% think the fts' n.a Arabs cane
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. IAA : too* I t
that figure.
Arou 8 or 9 as re
AU : There have been very that reported such
)u X want to shun.
DR. DA
On
chart
t .t a 6 a whole for
LE
gaper
per cent
HAU
Another I
t that
it of
irks out at
tnc Sue
hat a a. a 1
. that I red as a bench mark Is item 33. 1 am not
other tab t tian of thie kind. 1 -hc t very much
for other cultures*
n Over rrle4 58.T Per
chi 3rer ever
t were alive at the
to run that for
c l to teat '
the cover
a question o how r ch 1"ity
You we-re
butter,
gee stated . hypothesis
,h is shown on
index n with one chi3 ever
for axes 1 had 51 per cant of them liv na a
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70
Oent of t1
not quite
fro {lone' 4i
he
the p'e e
in t
that
. ou tr
OpreBcnt1
n the per capita
t
whoa pvabw ` motivation *m ;
involved
Ute
lncmoin ru u that
to in the
that
that
Lbut of
00
0
whole has not
graphic revolution.
lined
and Part
, e it
want to use th$Lt
h ,we ever vt4
3U
the fact
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"tom
Zvivew resource r
si h jrama44 Dome. t u `aai ffioon rains made
her the largest exporter o
uwiou o
i . a very mail
Produativit,
Sim i ue with tren4o5 p
cultivation--
present acreage rise* She Is tip
doubt
lobs,
h. Yet h,
ent ?pr
let
In t
health
ou rien is
uncins t, time kind c
we have n evidenced in
short ti
to
Sher parts of the
welopment going W.
from the Standpoint this equation Of inOrO*$Od
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awmeae GGoveram"t 'sou
n it
tho
ant focus
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relation to
had the
t h* case of a
den I
u
%a j* to the western wor34
ts,aaa stbout the population Problems
ant about the quest ion$ '
t
tuui,Ir t ttti .
to the eaonmlo
care or t VW
as program that
ogra ut e
othor
problow of with the
able to gib
t all o us . could give but I ;
d2 ou*it
. ea
abstract
who vo been in England
c contraeoptiv,
*%q"zeY*AeM% 91/1b-0-3
v . A e'
stem*e
sod
of us Wh
thero ably ea" ,or
e e k
Conte
cause op
0 to O
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the year Spent there
Sao?
C
who was dispensIng
ct m
ceptivo
or utilization of eantra-0e
torn
OXI
t
IIr
the gz'
x
it's
househo
O
but it cue*l
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74
A
thus
n se 1 and
thouatt
A. I
t t what
j
sampli ng situation
s 300 towna
ce &
same p has been roll
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1" a
two Ole
i o 1t
tu'4
censer e3
w $
etleal ch
Oro t buutl
tho census
Vero Interview*
4
then intervlovodj, site
ate
the k1nd of
v wta this I thinIc is, *5 406e,
answer
..
a .homes in the c twt W *1
towns khese other.
was 4061gWd
L or c o rU t
h total Population
' d the 4t O
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76
ution of these t
Intrigued
' t t
I-A the United States and
the table
out wrw that
mace d to to a li t3e que not quite
titan o;
t
btu
Hav
Yen* short Ot
this way
UtIve
40 pe
D
a i] t iob
*an go to detail
o t 3*tt both o
that I Ve a*r:.beds
o 3e e 1i t O done try c p to census
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au e' 1b'
ratio
ram
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lptwposea
neither In
the sam d re
YOU have
do not ~mow
d.
034 to got to it bul
that It Is 'oab
a run at
bcum
nd 0hi34 t ?Zit ` that y pos
m in some
t*t Is -t
nt rte
by pz aCtie&1l the worst ntto tat
'ibuted to c tad ted tood and
thi
ou want
on smith:
an *XO a ton that
A you SU
here.
ult.-In
?natton,
series
the data rye c?
a mitt
oo , The age distribution
01,
honest an
ve bt
tt
ob ez' t
a
hour
ztatlve
very 5004 questions
adSra
nnnnc
Vorgo
on because
you Ifty have put
result o post-war
On s* five going on Sit ,.ta
In the census n t x of residence In
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tt I
oun aide 0
a hem from 2 to 50
the sties a
';tense of migrants
70 hd all these tovns
a
to inflated i grafts
4
d in terms of CS 4 -
but the tact is that
i the countryside of
Apart from th4
the toffs
P
at
Wes
obaraoteriatios not ttoh cliff
U
dent the
not 3*T
or V
the population that
lonand other
ro the population
'DR, L s it is hard to see
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of the tone was
differe-nae be
n am
,ODD and rural B w hi
mortality
h
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datthe mi
I!* It *OU34 have a
that oa
. Burn
urb . ur 0.
At t
t. ai u
r thew a
variou
79
discovered the
Hauser start
in
of p
momic advancement o the
o h g ttwti
d with ret nc to the stt
ObU
other tj. ee in the tab
ad tr what a
dependency ratio
portent I
towns and v .e
the p
cane.
,e kind of quo el
YOU '
d this demographic
yoU er *eeu
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h thinks the
W
the e'3 4
$ Before
au Do
t
1
dUfe BUrOa *r tb Just t
040
AUS'BktE
DR, D U t Could I e3 out in, asking t
. AVX
t 4uite differoo
of the growl
;h th
about the Alto
luut
not c
Ob : carrUm With
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her capita.
" *t nt
destroyed*
by an AM
nth `Aaso.ciates,
great a
or Sus
up
d: s an outlay o r the t 1
'a ,o of about
out would represent t
the
ant in a similar per;
ere eucoe tU1, th .
In hrji Burma
up to about the same pet capital
tg
Chou say karat in
acono
Pup ae
ral tI a
the histGt
e pi.tal proor
income, tote
M +MFe to restore !i hO 9
about Bur
a as thoy had before the war
to the ettorts 'of the Govern m
luring at the moment it will actuall take trenen *
t pit l out In term$
sow foreign investment estimated.
about a third over a ten
?OW perhaps 25
v here she as b f the japane a rov e
the f It
of toot
41.
plus
o to
o the United ation or I oiflt IV the Colombo plan to
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IOn * they did i o let us drawtia aei
then gets otro with tt
In$ productivity is enough to raise ve
thi
o Population Increase. mat I alp iy3n$
101st
Pop
ulation problem In
you
e th
1 34o ractors
suppose itwasaa s and
Thor
the,
z -one . 01*0 Who U t term * over.
the eG
wee
w you spoke
k d t r n
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z' pon Ie to Soh
ue tion,
o th bt the poI
Vol of . v'ing
r k ev.
to e
'Ile C-OUV104
population inorea,see and the
programs r have obey
In thew countriesswhethor
do fit tremor'
health . . at reduction
her ti e id qet li reduce mor ii, r indtDact p
k shat are doing ire i .tn tae, g m'4
Vith the oee
I Auui
mbiit
have "Verse effect
tV 4g . m or the
teaei
In the or
RAI
tee
the beet
u ion question
*e 3d to s it i Ur
it ` -. z t an Interest but Z d!
W
population problem. The only apes
to TI
VepuUtloii t r *lew that to seen In Burma is
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shout
the er
death
owt e
ad Ida,
L on l wig,
Boon only New York City as a
not
and hl
the ImPlications of
VIVO-ion bet
ratio. In and out of io thn 11
Indian borers who
:al owVlalnt
about a labor
ro"b.
hundred thousand In4l
Ions r,I
In o
onth year.
ouble propping.
,he other o ono
harvest
this story, and
a quest o about it this w a wherever we 1
hi
shat t
h o
more
the these
soon
~Wotlvn
was the great
;o 300,000
aft for labs .
sow Places
Out,ot audh
Rayi hat we nee4
V was solved
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ability of our concept of a
e Lion t
Problem
~4tft d
n they
the question so
ad In the field assume* a
of its ?ce
the as
bout
aced economic
ou4,
raise
on ' ec t n
t h it
tome
vestment* all the et nt$
h? that makes It reel
DR. TA
a moment the situation here, You
Indo,ohina,O
fated. New a
are In somewhat different
L
RAUSERs
Oul
but it n
that part or tt
but T ce tell you 1
ink
ask
You
or its eon.. e
t'oduct f '
think
1000 a# 1*0
e
O
Den
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Iltnerally aid
The Southeastern A,
re,
)u know,, o ow
e the history
thouaand
m t,, Indochina,
d or as you 04n
this area it was origin-
do impetus back
actually
3& thOuvand years after that Original. In-migration under
rest Pressor from 'in dIn hoz'd a the, Peninsula has n
rei ti e1 l o t from the root the sold but:it
nobody was ohastd
hid
fh
Asia o
IIilit
o Peg nsu
nay
siderable pope
ebie hardship to
n h
oee the ounta:
of the expan
. What made
d that Is h
the United Xi
VbAilmnd to
a Asia sec
1 s1 e :
o arose thl
French and i i from Setting at each other
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n and
W o to
"at
about a thous
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;han for
t
after
the Himalayas they lived u
labor*
Lnd.
oh poured population over
thing that rasa
"U" shaped
round Surma you ha
YOU 041M stud 0060 thin $$ because
hbor to got in
a di
d out. Provo head-hunti * Mhi h you eti3.i have the
up in the northern tron ier , to metropolitan
urban exis
i of u
those extremes that are i
You have
CHAI
a laboratory by whiah, you
of the demographic revolution it you
ve had a
o
usi
Surma
ups
- over nt can gel
e L
Lng about Atria,
fair
availab
k any more, but there are to
arw
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)u be wro
tea Frank.
)o Won aft perhaps ,:
has at the
other i e e
of
is . stuor 0
0 ftice on point
oor tie ae ddt .
over. I think in n no n-j du t is societio~O
t1vations for high f t I think in
developing
30 and at the, top
rko
have been e d. on a broad
CAP
other area Li
this a o .n
i
Dint
bit4 cad,
there are not definite
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Ai* eAd ttMt
set hs
o
there o
to wh,
u trt&3 060
ht
other contributions and three o
n Africa
tt*at
Coast. The 0,*:
soot adva
Goya'
1949, WhI
os
~oe
04 ' OTW Is ar. area
studies Arri the
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do of
tin
o ohte `1' tr . the census
toil
nt t G At the tii
F the
and they ha" t
;e a
there 00me
watriUneally or std hail '
t+u
hou"holdO
t trh thare the ado about
md: ' house.
have iscaethl
oh
Oulture 4114 rel ii
? it *own in their *01
the
43v -
rove their
maear t PeMPU
a r
Christiana,
tra i
the ii and,
3 Society
t n
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The chief of each of theec branches
sacred aneatra . stole of the lineage
buyin round and there are group ,
4here are
e a strong military group. They held oft the British
long time until about 1900,
ociet with the matrilineal unit, This society has
motivation for fertility. The chUdren en rge t
and they are S-reatly wanted. There are no convaeei
ad apparent
ten children Is
nbil
bolizing the tact that she has
ten children
least a husband or that a man ao
child but there is no ve
Rho
economic problem
been used
we no particn
dietin n
ceremony which tales place about.
her
even for McSi
ause in am case,
into the househo34 and into the lireaZe
ana is a pert
dtperAent on his
for support.
ed.
Ash*,
ohien and then eight children in the
child is not
tainly on his father wholly
upports the chi dren.
quite possib
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id over is us 'O ,o
Stine tram the to. as
t1w
Wov
I