LETTER TO THE HONORABLE STANSFIELD TURNER FROM FRANK CHURCH

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• Publication Date: April 4, 1980
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rAM? CHURCH. IL) J4O CHAIRMAN
J R.L. AC
JACOR K. JAYIT9.
' 4CM1/iF.R!!. LI. LIAM. CHARLIS H. MERCY, ILL.
~? HIDFJL, JH., DLL. HO WAR. H. w.CMI. QHIS dAKLC, JR., 7FlJN.
Jl33E HELM t. N.C.,
-H0 ('STONC. n.A B. I.
NAYAL(AWA, G1(_YP.
.ul. G. 6ARRANi'L. MD. RICHARD Q. LLZ;AA.
E .4UN MU3':Lte MAWS IN(D.
t' YARD XORIHSL(Y, NEBR.
COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN RELATIONS
WASHINGTON. D.C. 20510
Exec6tiv,a 1;-gitt-r
April 4, 1980
SECRET ENCLOSURES
The Honorable Stansfield Turner
Director
Central Intelligence Agency
Washington, D. C.
Dear. Admiral Turner:
I refer to my letter of March 21 enclosing,,
galleys of Volume X of the Foreign Relations Corn-
mittee's "Historical Series."
Although no CIA witnesses testified at the meeting
on August 12, 1958, I would appreciate the Agency's
review of i-he enclosed galleys for that date and your
advising rae if there is arty- objection to their publi-
cation.
With Lest wishes,
UL
4,e/ Sincerel_y,
Frank Church
Chairman
Enclosures:
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RADIO 1AIl'EEIATIi)\r
[xalitur's Note.-I)nri1i the ]950's the (`t?utral lilt e'lligeIce Agellet- futub-uI a
rnuuht?t? of ;anti-('Untnlnnist c?untntnnit`atittiiK ii c ji etN, rtrttt ll;Z III(-Ili Rallio l" rt?e
Erirope nod ](1111j) lt:o'.io (.them' fu 11)(11). Staffed
largely its exiies from; Enstertr Etn?npe and soliciting pnltiie (?oatril iitloi;'u. tile,(.
usteusihl)? Were pricaue org:utii;pious. Tho .ltuerit;ui Cuui difl-e for 1,11wraII ill,
aaitich sj isorej It:olio Liher:ttiun. O tooted a p wt'r?f)il : hortac;R'e judo trmis-
111itter? to hroa lcust to the Soviet i'nion In Itnssiau .iu41 1 i other ia:n; na e
lit 1971 Senator Clifford Case (It-N.J.) l+ stn the CI.i's sverei suuppor( of
these stittiorts: wid in 19;3 I'resil4'ut Nixon sigut?tl into 1:iw a hill sepiu?atiug, the
appropriittiouts for IL:ulit, b'r(t? Enrop' and Radio Liberty from the CJ.' nod
ghiciug there nailer the. snliervisioi) of the iltterllilt iouul Ilroudc?:t.Hrtg Board.]
Tuesday, August 12, 1958
Coll imn oa; Ft-11F.i(Ox IiE1..1'1-Ioxs,
1Ycr.4/lr,lgtoi>, D.C.
The colnniittee nret. pau?-aannt to call_ at. 1U:,;f1 a.nl., in R(ionl F-..'8,
U.S. Capitol. Iron. 'T'heodore J'rancis Green (Chail?niall) presldln;.
Present: Chairman Green, Senators I~'ulbri,r)lt. Sparkmall. \1ans-
fiield, Wiley. Smith, and Capehar?t.
Also J)re~ent: ltc.~sl:s. 1% IIokt, \ a11eo, Ilenclerson anal St. Claire
of the Cmmmittce staff.
Mr. Mr. Chairman. I c?anl(1 perhaps check one thin ; with
the Conunittee now if You wish.
'Che C1r.Vrt r. x.'ihat lui~~ht be a rood idea.
MIIr. 3Lvtry. Et will take jn:,t a moment oil the b;ick_,rot)nd. Several
years ago the U.S. Information lrrenc?c 5(9I'tral to et up a Voice of
America transmitter in North Carolina. This ar-as r0111ulonly referred
to as Baker East.
The pltl'pose of this trallslllit.ter was to tl?:1nsmit to the Soyict Union.
The project. was never t?oinpleterl. heat it that tiles at large suns of
money was invested in ti mi anitter:s.
The CiI I]Ur.l.x. By whorl
Mr. ll.ar(?Y-. Ity the F.S. Information A_reii ?y. Now those trans-
luitter:s have been declared saarplias on(1 the G .SA. the Gerieral Serr-ices
Adniiiiistration. is proposi-ig to sell these t-?an?ltritters.
,1 CIA (>PER.ATION
?Vora- they propose to sell tlat?sl' trarisri)ittcis to Radio Liberati(ni,
and Radio Lilx'rartinn is a radio operation which is concluc?tell by the
central Intelligence Agency.
7n accordance with esistin_g terra, of 1:111% whenever a sale of this
kill(] is contemplated, it is r'epotled to the (ror?erlrnlent Operations
Committee of the Senate.
'I'bis Proposed s:l le has been reported to the Government Operations
Colnnlittee of the Senate. but the ('IA p('?J)le have been imrr-illing to
tell the Goverr-nlent OperationM Jleot)1(> the [nil [rope to which the to ils-
nlitter:s are to be pet. The result is that Senator McClellan 11:1s written
a letter to the Chairanaii of the Senate Committee on Armed Services
and to the (11, 61-111911 of the Coiiunittee on Foreign Ilelat ions. in which
he says that. the. Committee hats re(Inestetl the General services Ad-
in11)15tration and CIA "to (IMel-I11tne rahlther or not this e(lnipment,
nialti Ix' litilize(l l)r? tllc I7.S. rntor?nlati('n _t`eeucr in connection with
all install:ntrrnr in -North (aroliml."
He also says tbat the Semite Committee on Govel11111'ellt OI)er:ltions
has notifle(l (.ener:tJ Se rt?ices _ltlministratioat that it ol)jeets to this :Ile
olio( npprosnl has boen received from tilt- Armed Serr?iccs ('onloliltee
and from the. I' orei"n Relation, Commit tee.
The CIr.rJJi l N'r. \V}int, is this Central In for'luat ion ?
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CIA is the Central Intelliggeuce Ag'vnc.y.
The CI[A[R-MAi. Of the (rovernnrer-t?
lfr. M.%I CY.'that is of the Goy ermuent
re.
,
The CIr.t1Rrr.t.'. These are just different-Departments of the Crovern,
meat.
_1[r. 1r.tr.cv. Tint is correct.
The Crr.tuua.tx.. No outsiiiers?
Mr. M-%ncY. W'llat really is involved here is a sale from USIA. which
is our U .S. Information Agency to Radio Liberation, which is a secret.
C=overnnaent-~.porrored operation which is paid for by the Central
Intelligence Agency.
Now that fact h,ts not been Communicated to the Government Opera-
tions C`onimittee of the Senate.
I have rather n lengthy fill, here justifying this sale.
The Cii.trR_rt.t~.. It is a question of 'whether it is a sale from one
Department to another.
Mr. MAncr. That is correct.
The Crr.tlnm\N. And are they trying to cheat. each other?
Mr. MARCY. No, I do not think there is any cheating involved. The
only thing is that. Radio Liberation is not known as a Government
Agency. It is known as a private operation.
Mr. CnAiu1rAV. By whom?
I Mr. -Nf -r. By the public at large, by the world at large Radio
Liberation is supposed to be a group of intelligent American citizens
who are trying to liberate people behind the Iron Curtain.
As a practical matter it receives its funds from the Central Intelli-
gence Agency.
The CIrAif3r.vN. Then legally is it a Government Agency?
Mr.1IARCY. Yes. When you say "legally" in the subversive lega.I
sense it is, yes.
The Cir.uit r_tN. Suppose someone should bring a suit against them?
Mr. M.tncY. Well, I suppose if it were fought out in the courts that
Radio Liberation would look like a private philanthropic organization,
a private organization engaged in broadcasting behind the Iron
Curtain.
The C1r:trnarAti. Is it just. a, partnership or is it a. corporation?
I1fr. MARCt. Senator, it is operated by what is called the American
Committee for Liberation. I do not see any indication in its title that
it is an incorporation.
The Crranl~r.tti. It makes a lot of difference as to what its legal
status is.
Mr?.'-f.tRCY. 1 do not think it sloes for this particular operation, for
this particular, transaction. I think the. main question is whether this
Committee. wants to approve or indicate that it has no objection I
would say to Radio Liberation purchasing these transmitting facili-
ties from 15.5. Information Agency, which has been declared surplus.
The CrrArrsiAx. Have any of the members of the Committee any
views on the subject?
ISSUE TOR OTHER COMMrFTEES
'Senator M.txSFIFrn. The question I have is what does this Commit-
tee Intro to do with that when CIA has all its dealings with the Armed
Services and the Appropriations Committee?
'Mr. ~-I.trrcr. 3. think flint is a good question.
Senator I''tMDRIMIT. I hesitate to take responsibility for it myself,
wouldn't Toll?
Senator MA SFIELD. I would refer it to the appropriate Committees
on ~L.ppropriations and Armed Services. It is in their bailiwick.
Senator :SI>.1Rr~..,r.1x. Is that on this agenda.?
'Mr. I.tRCY. No, sir.
'Senator Swtnl:mAN. The CIA sent it to us?
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31r. M.trcY. No, this was ;;eat. to us by Senator McClellan who waits
the views of thi:; Committee as to whether this Committee has any
objection to USIA selling two 500 kilowatt transmitters to Radio
Liberation.
Radio Liberation Nail instrumentality of CIA.
Senator [[ NsriEu). Mr. (bairn an. T would move that this Coln-
Inittce take no action but that it. be referred back to Senator Meclellall
with the sng:gestion that lac c?ontalct the,ronuitittees ordinarily con-
nected with the fiuutions of the CIA,.
Mr. )kLtncr. I might a dd.Mr?. Allen Dulles telepliorticd this morning
and he said he had It deep per-oval intere:;t in this platter.
He hoped very rnitcli that the Committee would have no objections
to it. Ire said that Radio Liberation belonged to theta "lock, stock and
barrel" and that if at any time the, USIA,et-er wanted these trans-
mitters back;, he would[ be sure that they would come. I said this was
coming tap rather late in the se Sion ands he said, well, if necessary, he
would be gland to appear before the Committee himself.
NOT WASH 411211 11-ANUS Or TUC CIA.
The CrttimLAN. As I undletrtaiid it, it is proposed that we wash our..
binds
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Senator SF_trx: a .'Mr. Chairman, I want to say just a word about
that. I am not sure we ought to wash our hands of CIA.
.Now I Realize that we have been buffeted but I inn rather of the
opinion that we ought to keep a claim. I think we have something to do
with CIA, and I think we ought to have more to. do with it..
It seems to ale that this would indicate that we want nothing to do
with CIA. I do not feel that way myself. I feel that CIA's attitude-
has been wrong and we ought to have a lot to do with CIA.
Senator MANSFIELD. I dlo not find fault with that argunieut.'rhe only
thing is that.'ou do ht4ve two subcommittees within Armed Services
and Appropriations whose job it is to maintain liatisou with CLL.
Senator r.tltl.ar.tti. My thought would be that instead of our just
having not lung to do with it. would be to pass it back to them with the
statement that we have no objections, but that it should be referred
to those cortlnrittee.s.
SenatorI.txsFTr LD. That would be all right..
Senator Sr_iIariixAN. Frankly, I did not know that Radio Liberation
belonged to CIA., I thought it was a private operator like Radio Free
Europe.
SUL.JECT OF MICC Arrx'IIY ATTACK
;Senator Mixsrir;raa. Carl.
You talk about tlni. East. Sal;et? outfit in
North Carolina. Wasnt. that one that [Senator oseph Ii.] McCarthy
raised hell with .i or 6 years ago and forced the USIA to quit doing
anything and is now before the Appropriations Committee w:lding for
25 million dollars to put it in operation.
Senator F VLnmuc.HT. That is the same one.
Mr. I.tr,c1-. I do not know about, that but Baker East never went
through because of objection at that time.
Senator .MM_t\ SF7EL1r. There was a Baker West too.
Mr. M Arcr. Yes.
Senator L\L% xsrirw. I would second Senator Sparkman's motion.
Senator SrAHKMA`T.. I would send it back with the statement that we
have no objection but with the suggestion that it should be. referred to
those two subconunittees.
Senator S-etrrn. Mr. Chairman, I could not quite hear that. I am not
quite clear what this issue is.
I'nl sorry I was a little late but I was detained for a minute. I am
very much interested in the USIA.
Mr. ll.trcY. The Government Operations Committee of the Senate
has asked the advice of this Committee and of the Armed Services
Committee with respect to a pro posed sale of two 500 kilowatt trarns-
mitters from USIA where they gave been declared[ surplus to Radio
Liberation, and Radio Liberation is the underground voice of the
Voice of America.
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%rr. Allen Dulles will t1iis morning, flint 'Rai dio Liberation was an
instrument of the United Stales larch, stork anti barrel :roll TI IuiLve here
ti, statement indicating that kind of thing. I might just read one
pal-11g aph
As an nnoficial arm of U.S. policy, Radio l.Iheralion Is dlrthignished from the
Voice of America h, that it is rho priea:u?y rey,onslbtiity of Radio bihrratlou to
exploit. Soviet d.amcstie vutneruhilitiea, to tarry- out U.S. objectives vI'sa-vis the
Soviet Union from the stamdis,intof the internal affairs of the Soviet LUiiion. The
Voice of America. as an official org-na of the T?i,iteul States Government must take
care to avoid eliarge.-s of U.S. luterference In Internal Soviet alfair.s.
There, are some very important policy statements in this paper along
the same lines.
Senator SMrrn. Thu TISI_1 is getting rid of this and 'tkg. Libera-
tion, which is CTA, is taking over, that is the point.
Mr. MArci-. That is the point. I might read one other sentence be-
cause of its interest.
Having concluded that tine Soviet regime is not presently In danger of revolu-
tlouarr overthrow in s;plte of mane actual and latent internal difficulties, and
Hint the forces currently at work In soviet soelety are ertosive rather than ex-
plosive. the U.S. Governmrent has directed Radio Liberation to seek out and to
catalyze the existhig and potent (iii dissatisfactions of the various strata of Soviet
society within the Soviet system.
.Senator SZIITii . John, what is your specific suggestion I
RE E'R TO ArPROPROMON'S AND ARMED SERVICES
Senator SranKmtti. Ify suggestion was that we re that we have
no-objection, but suggest that -it be referred-to the ubcommittees of .
the Appropriations Committee and the Armed S rvices Committee
having jurisdiction over the CIA or having contact with them.
Senator S-uTII. I think that is a good disposition of it.
-Senator M1f.kssl-IELD. Question.
The Cli.AIRMAN. The motion is that mode by Mr. Mansfield as
amended by Mr. Sparl roan, the amendment having been accepted-
All those in favor, say aye.
[Chorus of ayes.]
The CITAITZ.31A . Contrary-minded, no.
-(No response.]
The CII.unM.4N. It is so voted.
cTlr .-t--;lp cir-et. 9 suns ry nppointi ienfs ttncglro-
I1otio11S in the Foreign Service.
On motion by -Senator Fulbriaght, supported by .Senator Capehhart,
the committee. on voice vote. adhered to its first decision to keep its
plain offices in the Capitol building, and the staff instructed to prepare
a letter for the Committee on Rules and Administration to such effect.
Passed over on the agenda were. S. 2873. "To amend section 207 of
the International Claims Settlement Act of 1949. as amended, to pro-
vide for the restoration of certain property rights"; and :S. Con. Iles.
97, "Relative to efforts to promote anti protect human rights and
fundamental freedoms throughout the world" -
S. Res. 357, "Favoring an international conference of free nations
to consider European refugee problems," was postponed by voice vote,
on motion of Senator Fulbright, seconded by Senator Capehart.
S. 4214, "For the relief of Mary F. C. Leute, widow of Joseph
Henry (.elite." was ordered reportec't by voice vote. on motion of Sen-
ator Fulbriglit, seconded by Senator S larkman. wwithout- amendment.
S. 3944. "To authorize the negotiation of a compact between the
State of Minnesota and the Province of Manitoba, Canada, for the
development of a, highway to provide access to the northwest angle in
such State, was unanimously ordered reported without amendment.
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