TELEPHONE CONFERENCE WITH (SANITIZED) 8/2/84 RE: COINS/DODIIS

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• Document Creation Date: December 22, 2016
• Document Release Date: September 9, 2009
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• Publication Date: August 10, 1984
• Content Type: MEMO

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MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
Vice Chairman, IHC
DCI/ICS 84-4038
10 August 1984
SUBJECT: Telephone Conference with
DODIIS
8/2/84 Re: COINS/
1. On 8/2/84 I discussed various topics related to the COINS/DODIIS
interface. 0 said that he had just had a meeting with
DIA/RSE, who wanted to amend the COINS/DUDIIS m.o.u. The principal factor he
wanted to amend was to delete the agreement for an interface and the passing
of data between the network control and monitoring centers. eminded
that the m.o.u. was a triparty agreement and asked to submit
proposed changes in writing.
2. He stated that the meeting went well and that basic agreement was
reached on a strategy for COINS/DODIIS gateway implementation. He is firmly
of the opinion that the gateway must be capable of maintaining security audit
records of accesses to the COINS network down to the organizational level but
not to the individual user. In order to do this by 198b, COINS TAS's must be
utilized as the basis for the internet gateways. This approach was agreed to
by DIA. However, by the time WRANGLER comes on line on COINS a "true IP
gateway" must be designed, developed and implemented.
3. stated that DIA had still not given any comments in writing on
either the 1s or 2nd paper, and that, in default of comments he was
having= finalize a paper based on comments which had been received.
I suggested .might ask DIA to turn over the task to Mitre, but George reacted
negatively saying he was displeased with Mitre performance for him
on the COINS TCP/IP implementation and was going to pnase them out, having
turned over the TCP/IP implementation to Despite the unsatisfactory
performance by Mitre, he was reasonably optimistic that 0 could take
what they have done and complete the COINS implementation reasonably soon,
although he won't know for sure until 0 had gotten further into the
problem.
4. stated that he thought our effort, through and
Mitre, to gather information on the present and projected size of e NS
community was unnecessary and that it was futile to project usage. I told him
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that we were undertaking it at the behest of CIRC who wanted the information,
realizing that no precise conclusion could be drawn from it. I said that I
would go back and look at the tasking and get back with him on what was really
needed.
5. ~ also said he was upset by the suggestion that we might set up a
working group on inter-network security problems. He said we already had a
working group, namely COINS and DODIIS, that they were working the problem and
that if we got too many people involved it would only impede progress. I told
him that we were concerned in that everyone recognized that there were
problems and we wanted to be assured that the problems were being analyzed,
defined and worked on.
6. Despite all the concerns, stated that, although progress was
slower than he would like, protocol development was moving forward. He is
implementing the Dot) Standard FTP and should have it complete and in
production for DODIIS to use in making regular file transfers to NSA, now
already being handled by COINS on an interim basis. DODIIS has implemented
and is testing THP and when they-have completed this, he will take what they
have done and implement it on COINS. Technical working groups have been
established to coordinate these efforts. In his opinion, the only way to
proceed was to have each party do their own implementation and then convert
the COINS and DODIIS network and see if they work. If not to use the networks
for identity and correct problems and inconsistencies in the testing. He was
confident, based upon ARPANET experience that their approach will work.
-111 7. After discussing the above with he talked to
STAT 0 about her contact with attempting to secure data on the COINS
STAT user community. She reported that was much more negative to her about
their specific study and about the whole CIRS effort. As a follow-up I will
discuss the pro osal to amend the m.o.u. and the matter of the gateway
STAT strate with at DIA. Also, will arrange a meeting between
STAT myself and for the purpose of clarifying the purpose of
our mitre study, the genera requirements for his cooperation in the CIRS
effort and the future course of action to be pursued in order to resolve the
STAT internetwork security problems.
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