MINUTES TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY-SIXTH MEETING WEDNESDAY, 3 AUGUST 1983, 1100-1235 HOURS ROOM 4E-64, LANGLEY HEADQUARTERS BUILDING

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Sanitized Copy Approved for Release 2010/08/18 :CIA-RDP87-008128000100210009-5 Sanitized Copy Approved for Release 2010/08/18 :CIA-RDP87-008128000100210009-5 Sanitized Copy Approved for Release 2010/08/18: CIA-RDP87-008128000100210009-5 3 August 1983 Minutes Two Hundred and Sixty-sixth Meeting Wednesday, 3 August 1983, 1100-1235 Hours Room 4E-64, Langley Headquarters Building Chairman Presiding MEMBERS PRESENT Mr. Robert C. Allen, Department of the Navy Mr. James Callahan, Office of the Secretary of the Air Force Mr. Llo d E. Dean Federal Bureau of Investigation C entral Intelligence Agency 25X1 De fense Intelligence Agency 1~x~ National Security Agency 25X1 Col. Donald A. Press, Depa Mr. Jerry Rubino, Departme Mr. Dennis E. Southern, De rtment of the Army nt of Justice partment of Treasury ALTERNATES PRESENT Mr. Thomas H. Blankenship, Department of Energy Mr. Edward Dansereau, Department of Treasury Capt. William C. Horn, Department of the Navy Mr. Anthony G. Mitchell, Office of the Secretary of Defense Mr. Roger D. Smith, Department of the Air Force ALSO PRESENT Cen ,N Cen a, Nat entral Intelligence Agency (C) entral Intelligence Agency National Security Agency tral Intelligence Agency (C) ational Security Agency tral Intelligence Agency (C) Central Intelligence Agency (C) Tonal Security Agency . Jose h L. Wa oner, Federal Bureau of Investigation Executive Secretary 25X1 25X1 25X1 25X1 Sanitized Copy Approved for Release 2010/08/18: CIA-RDP87-008128000100210009-5 Sanitized Copy Approved for Release 2010/08/18: CIA-RDP87-008128000100210009-5 i i Preliminary Corrments A. Invited members' attention to the meeting beginning at 2:15, 3 August, on unauthorized disclosures. aid the primary purpose of the 25X1 meeting was to give Community Public Affairs Officers opportunity to hear Mr. Casey speak on his concerns about unauthorized disclosures and engage in a dialogue with him on their role in trying to control the problem. Following this discussion with the DCI, attendees would see the first presentation of a 15-minute videotape by Mr. Casey illustrating damage from leaks and advising of means by which the Community can help stop them. That in turn would be followed by an 8-minute, stand-up follow-on by and by a 25X1 showing of videotape excerpts from a TV panel discussion on the ress and government secrecy. The DCI's videotaped presentation and 125X1 stand-up follow-on would be the package to be taken to the Community to alert senior officials to the sco a of the problem and to enlist their help in com- batting it. 25X1 B. Reported that on 25 July the DCI referred the proposed revision of DCID 1/14 to the National Foreign Intelligence Council for comments on the issue of whether investigative coverage should be reduced from 15 to 10 years: said he did not know when the NFIC would meet on this matter. 25X1 C. Noted that members were sent copies of the revised FY 1985 SECOM budget request reflecting reduction in the guidance level and in uts from mem- bers and the subcommittees on high-priority projects. said 25X1 he had not heard of any further developments on the FY 1985 budget. He noted that the appeal of the Senate Oversi ht Committee's recommended cut of our FY 1984 budget was still pending. 25X1 D. Advised that the SECOM staff, in consultation with the Computer Security Subcommittee, had prepared for Dr. Ruth Davis a set of preliminary comments on computer security matters that she should address and that SECOM should deal with through the subcommittee. said the paper 25X1 stressed the need for a balanced approach in eac o e several general areas of computer security initiatives; the need for adequate resources supported at the senior management level; and the need to attract, recruit, train and pro- vide good career opportunities for Community personnel with expertise in this field. 25X1 E. Stated that, in accordance with NSDD-84, two nondisclosure forms, one for SCI and the other for collateral, have been developed. They have been sent to National Security Council members fora royal, and should be ready for promulgation during August 1983. 25X1 F. Reported that all members had sent in their vote sheets on DIA's request for SECOM approval for DIA to release to the Applied Physics Lab- oratory of Johns Hopkins University classified material bearing DCID 1/7 restrictive caveats. said a majority of members nonconcurred. 25X1 He noted that several members questioned the need for this waiver, citing DIA's SECRET Sanitized Copy Approved for Release 2010/08/18: CIA-RDP87-008128000100210009-5 Sanitized Copy Approved for Release 2010/08/18: CIA-RDP87-008128000100210009-5 25X1 statement of expectations of possible problems, without identifying any actual experience. Other member comments addressed the lack of comparability between this laboratory and the GOCOs under the Department of Energy. said the vote showed that SECOM is not prepared to grant the ITEM 1 Approval of Minutes equest. 25X1 L~~ I In the absence of requests for chan a the minutes of the 29 June 1983 meeting were approved as written. 25X1 ITEM 2 Subcommittee Reports A. Computer Security reported that the subcommittee discussed possi a over ap etween existing organizations with computer security responsibilities and new ad hoc or short-term bodies charged to address the subject. He said subcommittee members thought it would be use- f ul for them to restate their charter and provide it to the Community, follow- ing SECOM approval, to ensure broad understanding of their role. advised that efforts continue to develop a new draft revision of DCID 1/16, with particular reference to agreed definitions of modes of operation. He noted that management attention is being focused on computer security inputs to the FY 84 and 85 budgets. Personnel Security ~ observing that this was last meeting, comp invented-~i~r his outstanding performance as subcommittee chairman. He characterized as responsive and innovative and said it had been a distinct p easure to work with him. thanked subcommittee members for their excellent support of him an a M. was then introduced as the new subcommittee chairman. 25X1 25X1 25X1 25X1 25X1 25X1 25X1 C. Security Awareness - ~ introduced 0 as the new 25X1 chairman. said he had talked with every subcommittee member and was 25X1 impressed eir positive attitude. He advised that their next meeting would be on 24 Au ust and that he hoped to maintain a monthly meeting schedule. 25X1 D. Technical Surveillance Countermeasures - reported that the 25X1 Audio Countermeasures Working Group (ACWG) completed a guidelines paper on use of automated telephone systems in SCI facilities and distributed the paper to the Community for use by government and industry. He advised that the ACWG is still working on revision of procedural guides 1, 2 and 3. said 25X1 NSA and Mr. Terrazas of FBI had prepared for Captain Boyle of 25X1 api o olice a guidelines paper on shielded enclosures. He noted that a 12-by-20 foot shielded enclosure is contemplated for installation in the Hart Building.. advised that probable availability of adequate space iri 25X1 House Annex might make it possible for the Army to provide technical assist- ance on the Hill to the Capitol Police. He said screening of the 12 Capitol Police officers nominated for TSCM training had identified 6 to 8 of them who appeared capable of completing the training course at 0 He noted that ;25X1 is prepared to train these officers as a group in the fall of 1983. 25X1 3 SECRET 25X1 Sanitized Copy Approved for Release 2010/08/18: CIA-RDP87-008128000100210009-5 Sanitized Copy Approved for Release 2010/08/18: CIA-RDP87-008128000100210009-5 SECRET said a potential problem is that the Capitol Police might not want to let all of the 6 to 8 leave at the same time for their training. He advised that the schedule was such that they could not take them in small increments at 25X1 different times. He said assistance by the Legislative Liaison Staff might be needed to resolve this concern and ensure that the Capitol Police would dedi- cate the officers to be trained to the performance of TSCM tasks as a primary duty. Mr. Dean advised that his conversation with Chief Powell and Captain Boyle indicated they were not disposed to let the whole group of officers leave for training at one time. said his understanding of 25X1 the original oral agreement with the Capitol Police was that the Communit would provide a single course for all who were to be trained. 25X1 stressed the need to work out satisf actory arrangements with the Capitol Police on all aspects of their assumption of responsibility for TSCM on the Hill in order to avoid the Community losing confidence about these arrange- ments. Col. Press said the Secretary of the Army was concerned that Army participation in the training on the Hill could be misconstrued as giving the appearance of "bugging Congress." He advised that .the Secretary would probably want Congressional leadership briefed to avoid this potential.~5X1 reported that construction plans fo0 expansion were going 25X1 well. He said the 95% design review had been done in late July, and that the cost figure was solidifying at about $400,000, plus $56,000 for the architect and contract monitoring. He noted that the lan to close the school from November to January for construction. advised that in the last year 25X1 or so there were three cases of ALTEC amplifiers carrying sensitive conversa- tions out of hearing rooms in the Rayburn Building on the Hill. Mr. Rubino asked if the am lifiers had been examined to determine if they had been tampered with. ~ said they hadn't, and cited lack of authority on 25X1 the part of the Community to conduct such examinations. Mr. Rubino suggested we try to prompt the Congress to take action in such cases by advising them of specific problems in graphic terms. He and Mr. Dean agreed to discuss how best to handle this. Mr. Dean expressed his concern as to whether the Capitol Police are prepared at present to make the specific commitments needed for them to be able to do an adequate TSCM job. He suggested that if negotiations with them don't result in satisf actory commitments, the Community may need to continue indefinitely the practice of each a ency providing its own TSCM coverage of sensitive testimony. said that was not an attractive 25X1 alternative, as the old practice was not a equate and the Communit could benefit from having a focal point on the Hill to deal with. 125X1 asked ~ to compile a list of actual and potential problems associated 25X1 wits on the Hill for use in briefing the DDCI and getting his guidance. E. Unauthorized Disclosures Investigations ~ noted that 25X1 SECOM members approved at the June meeting the concept of a short-term study of leaks; and that and others had offered to detail officers to 25X1 conduct the study subject to evelopment of an acceptable work plan. 25X1 then briefed members on a work plan, proposed study methodology and a form designed to assist study personnel in capturing basic data relevant to the study. He said the study should begin in September, and he discussed questions which he hopes the study would answer. He advised that the results of the 4 SECRE 25X1 Sanitized Copy Approved for Release 2010/08/18: CIA-RDP87-008128000100210009-5 Sanitized Copy Approved for Release 2010/08/18: CIA-RDP87-008128000100210009-5 SECRET 25X1 study would be reviewed by UDIS to determine what follow-up was needed (e.g., investigation in particular cases, reallocation of security efforts). Col. asked what would be the length of the detail for officers to work on 25X1 the study. said he thought several months would be needed to 25X1 complete the study, but noted that work requirements possibly could be met by a series of detailees each serving for a relatively short period (e.g., a month). committee. ised that UDIS was working on a draft charter for the sub- 25X1 25X1 ITEM 3 New Business A. noted that controversy over the polygraph during 25X1 Congressiona action on a Def ense Authorization Bill was of interest to SECOM. Mr. Mitchell advised that the Chaffee Amendment held DoD to polygraph practices in effect the day before issuance of Mr. Carlucci's memo authorizing new practices; and required Congressional hearings no later than April 1984 to address, inter alia, the reliability of the polygraph and identification of recent leaks that heightened management concern to the point that they believed broader use of the polygraph was needed. said he and the NSA General 25X1 Counsel had briefed some Hill personnel on the polygraph, and found many of them ill-informed on the subject. He advised that Senator Jackson seemed to view DoD's planned expansion of polygraph use as an objectionable new burden on military personnel. He noted that much of the Congressional concern focused on NSDD-84's language on the polygraph. said the polygraph has some 25X1 formidable adversaries on the Hill. noting SECOM's previous 25X1 request to the Personnel Security Subcommittee to defer action on a study of the polygraph, said the scheduled Congressional hearings made it important that SECOM actively address the subject. aid current attacks on 25X1 the polygraph focused on two areas: use of the polygraph to screen military assignees; and use of it in leak investigations. He stated that he thought we could be hurt by offering the results of a validity study of the polygraph because opponents could obtain testimony from experts opposed to the polygraph and could also cite "horror" stories about its abuse. He suggested that we would be better served by an anecdotal approach - one in which we would cite a large number of cases in which the of rah had identified specific and consequential security weaknesses. advised that Senator Jackson 25X1 had told the DDCI that he was troubled by inconsistencies in use of the poly- graph by Community a encies, and that he thought those inconsistencies should be resolved. aid he thought inconsistencies were usually the result of individual agencies doing what circumstances permitted them to do in terms of polygraph use. called members' attention to the issue of what we wanted the ersonne ecuri y Subcommittee to do regarding the polygraph. Several 25X1 25X1 25X1 spoke in favor of an anecdotal effort focused on experiences in which the poly- graph was the unique or most significant means of identifying serious security problems. commented that he thought laboratory studies of the 25X1 polygraph were counterproductive. Col. Press said the Army could probably contribute some counterespionage cases illustrating the value of the polygraph. Mr. Allen observed that the study could also illustrate cases in which the polygraph was the means of clearing individuals of suspicion. 25X1 5 SECRET 25X1 Sanitized Copy Approved for Release 2010/08/18: CIA-RDP87-008128000100210009-5 Sanitized Copy Approved for Release 2010/08/18: CIA-RDP87-008128000100210009-5 ---?-- ~ ~ indicated tol Ihis understanding of the SECOM consensus on the scope of the desired study. A brief final discussion focused on the possible need for a guidance memorandum to NSDD-84 to clarify its provision on use of the polygraph by narrowing its application to specific issues and specific suspects. 6.1 (commented that the final version of the IG/CM countermeasures study gave meaningful recognition to the responsibilities and accomplishments of SECOM. He said thanks were due to the SECOM subcommittees for their ood work in providing timely, high quality comments on the drafts of the study. ITEM 4 Next Meetings The Chairman reminded members that the next regular meeting is scheduled for 10:00 a.m., Wednesday, 14 September, at CIA Headquarters. He advised that we would then need to identify and agree on agenda topics for discussion and decision at our annual, overnight seminar, scheduled for 11-12 October SECRET Executive Secretary 25X1 25X1 25X1 ~ox~i Sanitized Copy Approved for Release 2010/08/18: CIA-RDP87-008128000100210009-5 Sanitized Copy Approved for Release 2010/08/18: CIA-RDP87-008128000100210009-5 5 August 1983 03 8-12 15-19 24 UDIS SECOM PSWG Seminar Adjudicators' Course ACWG Security Awareness UDIS SECOM Computer Security 31-4 Nov Adjudicators' Course August 10:00 10:00 All Week All Week 09:30 10:00 September 10:00 10:00 09:30 01:30 October Two Days All Week OFFICIAL USE ONLY 7D-32 Hqs. 4E-64 Hqs. 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