MINUTES TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY-NINTH MEETING WEDNESDAY, 29 JUNE 1983, 1000 - 1135 HOURS ROOM 4E64, LANGLEY HEADQUARTERS BUILDING

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DIRECTOR OF CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE
Security Committee
SECOM-M-269
29 June 1983
Minutes
Two Hundred and Sixty-ninth Meeting
Wednesday, 29 June 1983, 1000 - 1135 Hours
Room 4E64, Langley Headquarters Building
Chairman
Presiding
MEMBERS PRESENT
Mr. Robert C. Allen, Department of the Navy
Mr. Maynard Anderson, Office of the Secretary of Defense
Mr. James Callahan. f 'ce of the Secretary of the Air Force
I Central Intelligence Agency
Col. George J. Mercuro, Department of the Air Force
Defense Intelligence Agency
Mr. D. Jerry Rubino, Department of Justice
ALTERNATES PRESENT
, National Security Agency
Mr. Frank Di , Department of the Army
Mr. Dan Downum, Federal Bureau of Investigation
Central Intelligence Agency
fense Intelligence Agency
Mr. Roger D. Smith, Department of the Air Force
ALSO PRESENT
Mr. Gerald L. Berkin, Department of the Navy
Central Intelligence Agency
Mr. W. Kenneth Crosher, Department of State
Central Intelligence Agency (C)
F ,-National Security Agency
Central Intelligence Agency (C)
Mr. Donald Stigers. Department of State
Executive Secretary
SECOM Staff
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Preliminary Comments
The Chairman:
1. Welcomed las the new DIA member, and noted that 25X1
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2. Advised that the DCI spoke to the Armed Forces Policy Council on
20 June about damaging consequences of and measures to be taken to prevent
unauthorized disclosures of intelligence. A similar presentation to the White
House staff on 21 June was the subject of a "leak" in the Lou Cannon report
in the 27 June issue of the Washington Post. said he spoke to 25X1
Mr. Casey on 23 June about further steps in educating Government officials
to the critical need to stop disclosures. Plans are underway to videotape
Mr. Casey's presentation as a lead-in to a live talk by senior security
officers who would field any questions. said several SECOM 25X1
members had expressed interest in having Mr. Casey's presentation delivered to
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3. Reported that efforts to draft nondisclosure agreements required by
NSDD-84 continue. aid draft agreements were circulated for 25X1
comment after the 19 May ISOO meeting, and another meeting was held on 28 June
to discuss changes to those drafts. He advised that we seemed to be losing
ground during the process, as the latest draft seemed weaker than the existing
Form 4193 that most of the Community uses. He noted that political equities
were probably an unavoidable consideration in this effort. 25X1
4. Said Fred Wood, the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment
(OTA) action officer responsible for their study of the polygraph, called him
earlier in June seeking assistance. noted that Mr. Wood 25X1
volunteered comment that several persons a spoke to expressed the opinion that
the Administration wants to use the polygraph to choke off undesired "leaks,"
but wouldn't use it in cases where information was "leaked" to support an
Administration objective. He assured Mr. Wood that SECOM's objective was to
prevent the disclosure of legitimate national security information. A copy of
the 1980 Personnel Security Survey done under SECOM auspices was sent to
Mr. Wood in response to his request for data. mentioned the 25X1
DDCI's wish to be kept abreast of developments concerning this or any other
polygraph study, with particular regard to contacts on the subject with Commun-
ity agencies. He asked members to bring pertinent information to his attention.
5. Noted that the Personnel Security Subcommittee was still on the hook
to complete for SECOM consideration a draft set of parameters for a validity
study of the polygraph by the Community. said the actual
study- probably could not be complete while e OTA study was in progress.
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6. Stated his appreciation for the forthcoming attitude on the part of
several members that resulted in nominations to fill all three of the vacant
subcommittee chairmanships. noted that three officers were 25X1
nominated to chair the Physical Security Working Group, and that he had
selected Jerry Berkin, of Navy, who brought an d background
in security to the task, to serve as chairman. thanked the 25X1
State member for proposing two experienced offi , and for
offering support for the conduct of the physical security officers seminar.
He next advised that had nominated to chair the Security 25X1
Awareness Subcommittee, and that had nominated to 25X1
chair the Personnel Security Subcommittee. sai o 25X1
nominees had impressive experience in the fields involved, and stated that he
would like to designate them as chairmen of these subcommittees unless members
wished to offer other nominations or had objections. There being none, the
designations were made. concluded this discussion by noting 25X1
that he had called o express appreciation for his service with 25X1
the Security Awareness body. He asked the incumbent chairmen of the Personnel
Security and Security Awareness Subcommittees to rrange the transition with
their successors and advise the SECOM staff. to 25X1
7. Reported that he andl I met with Miss Page, Deputy Director 25X1
of the IC Staff, to discuss the FY 1984 SECOM budget r uest which the SSCI
proposed to cut severely (leaving us with only about . She 25X1
agreed to support the SECOM reclama. said he ope e 25X1
Senate Committee would reconsider its i ion an agree with the HPSCI to
fund our full request. os 25X1
8. Noted that he had asked members at the April meeting to review and
comment on the proposed FY 1985 budget submission. said 25X1
members supported our request, totaling n base level items and 25X1
in new initiatives. He stated that the IC Staff had instructed us 25X1
to reduce the request to a total of a cut of 68% - with the 25X1
revised request due to the IC Staff y u y. He invited attention to
copies at members' places of our proposed submission, and asked members to
provide timely comments h they would like to see included
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9. Said we had provided the IG/CM secretariat our comments on the second
draft of their countermeasure organization study. noted 25X1
that, as was the case with the first draft, most of our comments were on
technical security matters. He invited attendees who held copies of the two
and request copies of our responses. 25X1
10. Advised that the draft revision of DCID 1/7 had been sent to Walt
Elder with a request to issue it as a DCID rather than as an implementer.
Mr. Elder agreed, and will send the document, reformatted as a DCID, back to
the staff for proofreading. The result will probably not bear a number until
a new numbering system is developed. The exception for us will be DCID 1/14,
which Mr. Elder agreed should retain its original designation because of its
established status in litigation and other uses outside the Community. 25X1
w~ drafts, and who would like copies of the SECOM responses, to contact the staff
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11. Noted that a new group on computer security, called the ELINFOSEC
Minimum Standards Ad Hoc Group, was established on 24 June at the instance of
and Dr. Ruth Davis. The group, chaired by
of the IC
Staff with Gene Epperly of OSD as deputy, is tasked to review a ec ronic
information security standards, safeguards and requirements in Government and
industry (e.g., bank safeguards for electronic fund transfers), and develop a
set of standards as a preliminary policy for minimum application to Community
computer networks. These standards will focus on "critical" systems that
process, store or transmit intelligence. Part of the ad hoc arouo's effort
will be to identify systems considered to be "critical."
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12. Stated that
of the staff was in California reviewing and
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evaluating a contractor's demonstration of a technique developed under an
Office of Research and Development contract to help identify sensitive docu-
ments which have been misused.
said the technique's applica-
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13. Reported that this was Col. Mercuro's last SECOM meeting, he being
reassi ned to 1 serve as Inspector General at Patrick Air Force
Base. asked that the record show his special thanks to
Col. Mercuro for his active and constructive support of the Committee as a
member, and particularly for his outstanding performance as chairman of the
Compartmentation Subcommittee. Col. Mercuro said he had enjoyed his asso-
ciation with SECOM. He hoped to ease the disappointment of departure by
organizing the first annual Mercuro Open Golf Tournament next December.
ITEM 1 Approval of Minutes
In the absence of requests for change, the minutes of the 25 May 1983
meeting were approved as written.
ITEM 2 Subcommittee Reports
A. Physical Security - reported that the Physical Security
Working Group (PSWG) met on 15 June to complete arrangements for the first
seminar r Community physical security officers, scheduled for 8-12 August at
gramned for calendar 1984. said most speakers have been lined up,
with the remainder to be arranged shortly. He said the members would critique
the presentations at the first running, and make adjustments as needed. He
stated the working group will cover physical security matters for intelligence
in general, not just SCI. The Community will be invited to nominate attendees
at subsequent runnings of the seminar.
B. Personnel Security - reported on the Personnel Security
Subcommittee 22 June meeting. They discussed the tenth running of the adju-
dicators' seminar, scheduled for 15-19 August. Nominations are to be provided
the SECOM staff in writing no later than 15 July, and are to give
each nominee's name and title, SSN, work address and clearance status.
said they also discussed arranging one or two short (i.e., two
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or three days) conferences for personnel security managers on behavioral
sciences and legal issues bearing on personnel security, as suggested by
said subcommittee members believed there was a
need for and interest in such a conference. The members indicated agreement
with the concept. He asked for guidance on how to proceed.
described the results of subcommittee deliberations on the
proposed addition to the draft revision of DCID 1/14.
C. Security Advisory Group reported that he had returned
from Moscow the previous evening, He said the Department of State had estab-
lished an Embassy Construction Coordinating Committee (MC3) to address matters
such as space allocation, secure rooms and moving of equipment in the new
embassy. He advised that brickwork on the chancery building was up to the
sixth floor, but that utility lines were far behind schedule. Work on the
housing units is almost finished. He said he doubted that the scheduled 1985
completion date would be met. summarized the stop-work order, the
Soviet walk-off and return and actions concerning technical security inspec-
tion equipment. He advised that the technical countermeasure effort for the
new building has been well supported by the Community (especially CIA and
NSA), and he expressed his appreciation for the rapport developed between mid-
level personnel from the agencies involved. noted his concern
about possible responses to requests from friendly countries for advice from
the U. S. on what they should do and not do to secure their own buildings. He
stated that this issue had been referred to the Assistant Secretary of State
for Administration for consideration. In response to questions from members,
he advised that about 25 SeaBees were on-site in Moscow, and that an average
of eight to ten security specialists would be there for at least another year.
D. Technical Surveillance Countermeasures - reported that most
of their recent meeting was taken up with discussions on the response to be
made to the second draft IG/CM countermeasure study. compli-
mented or the quality and timeliness of his work on that response.
summarized negotiations with GSA about construction of the expanded
T facilities. He noted that GSA's cost estimate had been unacceptably high,
and that they were now out of the picture. He advised that arrangements had
been made with the architect GSA had originally retained to carry the project
forward. The current estimate calls for construction to cost about $400,000
plus about $56,000 for the architect's fee (includes construction monitoring).
The design review is scheduled for mid-July, with construction to start in
ITEM 3 DCID 1/14 Revision
noted dissemination to members of four alternatives
on language to be added to the DCID revision to address the SCI access eli-
gibility of persons determined to have disclosed classified information to
those not authorized to receive it. He advised that Air Force, Army, CIA,
DIA, Energy, FBI, NSA, Navy, SAFSS and Treasury had voted for the SECOM
version; Mr. Anderson had voted for the OSD version, but advised that if his
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alternative was not supported by the majority, he would vote for the SECOM
staff version. State voted for the CIA alternative, and Justice for the UDIS
proposal. said he would like this matter to go forward as an
agreed position so the NFIC could concentrate on the policy division con-
cerning duration of investigative coverage. Messrs. Stigers and Rubino said
they would su ort the SECOM staff alternative, thus making the action
unanimous. complimented Col. Press for the clarity and
specificity wit w ich he supported the SECOM alternative for the Army.
ITEM 4 Proposed Security Awareness Subcommittee Charter
noted that copies of the proposed charter had been sent
to members with the agenda. He advised that NSA had suggested minor changes
requested by
agreed to Mr.-
be postponed until
members.
he chairman-designate of the subcommittee. Members
Jrecommendation that SECOM action on this charter
has had a chance to discuss it with subcommittee
ITEM 5 New Business
1. invited attention to copies at members' places of
a unanimous recommendation by the Unauthorized Disclosures Investigations
Subcommittee that SECOM members nominate a person to spend a month with the
SECOM staff to conduct a limited study of unauthorized disclosures of intel-
ligence. said the proposed method was to take information available
in Community agency logs of "leaks" to try to determine (1) where classified
information leaks came from; (2) which media vehicles were principally
involved; and (3) what subjects were most frequently subject to disclosure.
The object would be to use the results to ensure that security resources are
applied to the areas of greatest risk. The results would provide hard facts
to validate or change "conventional wisdom" on the three areas involved.
said this effort would support such efforts as the package
being rated now to request Justice to cause the FBI to investigate a "leak"
in Aviation Week, with the seriousness of the situation to be demonstrated by
a listing of e numerous other "leaks" of intelligence in the same magazine
during recent e r Col. Mercuro spoke in favor of the proposal as a useful
start. and others indicated their support. In response to Mr.
equest for provision of an officer to do the work, Mr.
said he thought he would be able to do so. and Mr.
said they would consider providing officers from their agencies.
2. asked for guidance on whether the National Security Council
Staff should be invited to sit on the UDIS. Mr. Anderson and
noted potential problems involved in doing so. No members supported this, and
the issue was dropped from consideration. Members also discussed and rejected
possible representation on the UDIS by the IS00 staff. Mr. Stigers noted that
any needed ACDA representation probably could be arranged through the
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3. I ladvised that all 11 responses received on the
proposed data elements to be used by Community agencies to record in their
files common items of information on unauthorized disclosures were supportive,
but Mr. Anderson's concurrence was highly qualified. Mr. Anderson replied
that the OSD element which would be involved had asked him to state the
ug a cations. He stated that OSD could use the data elements proposed.
4. noted that the IG/CM Chairman, Gen. Stilwell, had
asked him and r. Snider of OSD to collaborate on developing common data
elements for use by the Community in recording damage assessments. He further
noted that the IG/CM wanted these elements to be used for data on all
disclosures, including press, defectors, technical surveillance and espionage
cases. Mr. Anderson commented that program managers were the only ones who
could meaningfully state how they had been damaged by espionage or other means
causing loss of sensitive data. said the UDIS didn't seem to
be the proper body to address this matter. He asked members to comment on how
theyught SECOM could be responsive in this damage assessment project. Mr.
suggested that SECOM advise the IG/CM that we cannot participate in
erect as it involves matters beyond our jurisdiction and within the
jurisdiction of others. Mr. Anderson said he agreed. The other members
indicated their assent to this suggestion.
5. Mr. Rubino asked which, if any, members could provide him information
on the nature and extent of their agencies' practices on sharing narcotics
intelligence with the Drug Enforcement Agency. Several responses were
provided for later follow-up by Mr. Rubino.
6. Mr. Anderson advised that both houses of Congress had attached a
rider to the Defense Appropriations Bill to limit use of the polygraph in
Defense to what was in effect on 1 January 1983. The rider would also require
the President to report annually to the Congress on the validity and
reliability of the polygraph. Mr. Anderson said this would make it impossible
for Defense to comply fully with NSDD-84. He said Defense would ask the White
House for guidance. He noted that the same bill, however, provides desired
relief from FOIA requirements, making it difficult to oppose.
7. said part of the DCI's concern about "leaks" focused on
the security of the National Intelligence Daily (NID). He described a recent
DCI letter to NID recipients stating ground rules for use of the document -
the NID is intended for use by only the single addressee for each copy; each
copy is to be returned in 24 hours; and NIDs are not to be reproduced. The
letter, sent to 172 recipients, noted flagrant violations of all three rules,
and asked for responses on recipients' practices by 16 June. About a third of
the addressees made no response. Those responses received suggest that the
24-hour rule is not wholly reasonable (e.g., weekends, TDY by executives).
J said an analysis of responses was being prepared for the DCI. He
asked members knowledgeable of any nonrespondents to try to get them to answer
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advised that the next two regular meetinqs were 25X1
scneduled for 10:00 a.m. on 3 August and 14 September, both Wednesdays.
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