THE CIA

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP88-01070R000301960002-9
• Release Decision: RIFPUB
• Original Classification: K
• Document Page Count: 3
• Document Creation Date: December 22, 2016
• Document Release Date: January 6, 2010
• Sequence Number: 2
• Publication Date: November 16, 1985
• Content Type: OPEN SOURCE

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RADIO TV REPORTS, INC.
4701 WILLARD AVENUE, CHEVY CHASE, MARYLAND 20815 [phone]
Agronsky & Company STAnON WDVM-TV
Syndicated
November 16, 1985 7:00 P.M.
Washington, D.C.
MARTIN AGRONSKY: Carl, how reasonable is the
indignation of the CIA Director, Mr. Casey, about the criticism
of him by Mr. Durenberger?
CARL ROWAN: Well, I don't think it's reasonable at all.
You know, the CIA never has wanted any oversight in Congress.
Casey has the reputation on the Hill of never quite telling them
the whole truth. And there is a conflict there that is not going
to go away. But no agency of government ought to be beyond
criticism by the Congress and by the press. And if Casey thinks
he can get it, I mean he's way off base.
HUGH SIDEY: Whether Casey's right or wrong, or how good
or bad the CIA, is one issue. But, in fact, Durenberger and
Leahy, since they've taken over that committee -- they're the
chairman and the ranking member -- they've made it a public
forum. It is now like an agriculture committee. I don't think
that's the role in the intelligence world.
JAMES J. KILPATRICK: Someone ought to...
SIDEY: Every time -- they're blabbing all the time now
on television. They are...
ROWAN: What have you heard Durenberger and Leahy say on
television that they shouldn't have said?
SIDEY: Every time there is an issue involving CIA,
whether it has to do with Nicaragua or this rather despicable
leak about the plot to destabilize Qaddafi, they're out there
.with long statements and woes and moods and attitudes...
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ELIZABETH DREW: I don't remember them saying anything.
SIDEY: ...and comments about these things.
AGRONSKY: Where do you find these things that you're
commenting on?
You go back to the days of Goldwater and Moynihan, very
discreet, very infrequent their comments about it. It seems to
ROWAN: What do you mean? Goldwater has made some of
the most castigating statements about the CIA of anybody who ever
served in the Congress.
AGRONSKY: Hugh, Durenberger says of the CIA that he is
concerned about the accuracy of their analysis of the Soviet
position.
KILPATRICK: I wish he was concerned about the...
AGRONSKY: Now wait a minute.
SIDEY: Casey says that.
AGRONSKY: Durenberger's concern is something that I
think warrants examination. Because if we are being ill-served
by the CIA, which is Mr. Durenberger's contention, I think we
should indeed look into it.
SIDEY: Why should that not be privately expressed to
the CIA by...
AGRONSKY: Why privately? That's the nation's business.
SIDEY: Because we are dealing with a clandestine
service here. Why should it be public?
AGRONSKY: You always buy that "jeopardizing the
national security"...
SIDEY: I sure do. I certainly do.
KILPATRICK: I buy it as much as he does.
AGRONSKY: You do, too.
DREW: There's an endemic problem that has always been
there. The CIA does not want oversight. It never did, and it
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still doesn't welcome it. And Congress always feels that it is
not being told enough.
However, I think both of these problems have worsened
under the Casey CIA, for a couple of reasons. One is, I think
that the mining of the harbors in Nicaragua, which the Senate
committee insisted it was not told about, represented a real
rupture. I don't think they trust him after that. He does tend
to be more secretive. And furthermore, let's face it, he tends
to be more gung-ho and interested in active covert action.
There are leaks out of somewhere about some of the
actions. This is not new. And I think this tension is going to
go on. But it's just worse because you have a personality clash
and you have a different-style CIA Director.
AGRONSKY: And that is the last word, Elizabeth.
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